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Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by macof(m): 10:12pm On Oct 19, 2014 |
MizMyColi: Ase! My daily prayer to my father Orunmila 1 Like |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by MizMyColi(f): 10:13pm On Oct 19, 2014 |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by macof(m): 10:13pm On Oct 19, 2014 |
Xcapist: Lmao |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by Nobody: 10:25pm On Oct 19, 2014 |
MizMyColi: Tohhh, it has to be mosquito kenan. |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by MizMyColi(f): 10:31pm On Oct 19, 2014 |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by basille(m): 10:39pm On Oct 19, 2014 |
Spirituality outside religion lead me to pantheism, was once a staunch atheist, previously a faithful christian. 2 Likes |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by Nobody: 10:54pm On Oct 19, 2014 |
basille: I share in your pantheistic viewpoint. But why the change? And how is your life better now? How have you found meaning? What's your story? I'm interested, if you have the time.... |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by MizMyColi(f): 10:54pm On Oct 19, 2014 |
^^^ Your head dey dia *visits wikipedia to search pantheism* |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by Nobody: 11:08pm On Oct 19, 2014 |
MizMyColi: Coli, mine takes it one step further o. Panentheism. Search that too. |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by basille(m): 3:21am On Oct 20, 2014 |
Xcapist:Unanswered questions about the mysteries of the universe and life in general lead to me being pantheistic. And how is your life better now? With every seconds that goes by, life is always better (generalizing), the ability to look past the trivia obstacles is what's missing most times. According to Rosicrucian teachings, life is always moving forward positively irrespective of occurrences, and if you think of it logically, it's correct. We human classify the ability to move forward as an achievement right? and life (time) is always on the move, no matter what happens to us, we are always moving forward, even death (an inevitable constant) is considered a step forward, because it's a new experience i.e moving forward. Just like absolute value in mathematics, the numerical value of a number without regards to its sign is always positive I'm still new to pantheism (and also mysticism), but everyday i seem to be getting answers to questions, so i guess it's all better now. How have you found meaning? Every one has the capability to give their life a meaning regardless of religious views. It's a personal choice. The quest for truth and knowledge alone gives me a sense of accomplishment, but the fulfillment all lies in the mind. What's your story? I was born and brought up a Catholic, at a certain time, some things didn't seem to make sense anymore, a lot of "what ifs" started popping up, additional aggrieved knowledge of the history of the church and Christianity all made me become an atheist. But atheism doesn't seem to answer the questions you know (even disbelief is a form of believe), it only makes them more obvious and probably points out the flaws. The esoteric organization AMORC, held a public lecture in my school, and let's just say after attending, i arrived at where i am today. 1 Like |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by ratatis(m): 4:15am On Oct 20, 2014 |
basille: Impressive! You're making progress or should I say evolving, as you're outgrowing one system of belief for another. Wherever one stands, that is where one has reached so far - the sum total of one's consciousness. One will feel comfortable there, for as long as he/she chooses to remain there. However, as one strives to unfold further, one will shed one's "gross" consciousness for a finer one. |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by timmy2409(m): 4:55am On Oct 20, 2014 |
For me, knowledge of the inexistence of the supernatural completely annihilates the want or need for any kind of "spirituality". I mean, I advocate and strive for complete self awareness, but not in such fashion that I try to find some external, nature-influencing cosmic force greater than myself. Regarding purpose, my point of view of the world after religion is aptly defined by the following quote: Since [losing religion], I've decided that the world is like a video game; you just keep going forward, accumulating all the skills, special powers and magic objects you can, bounding over greater and greater obstacles. Kill a dragon, save a princess, then start the next level. 4 Likes |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by Oduduwaboy(m): 5:29am On Oct 20, 2014 |
Wow. why am i just seeing this? am coming back. 1 Like |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by MizMyColi(f): 5:50am On Oct 20, 2014 |
Xcapist, you might wanna construct another frame for this one ^^^ up there. |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by PastorAIO: 11:30am On Oct 20, 2014 |
Thanks for the mention. Now I'm here, my difficulty with contributing lies in understanding what the terms Spirituality and Religion mean to the OP. I consider myself to be religious. Very religious. But then I understand religion as a practice undertaken to reconnect oneself to Spirit, and to one's environment. So for me Spiritual development is very much a part of religion. By spirituality I just believe that we are already spiritual beings and so someone cannot 'become more spiritual' any more than someone can become more human. I suspect that what the OP is resisting against is the Practice of Religion within a CULT. There are pros and cons to practicing religion within a cult. This cult as a religious organisation has plenty of deleterious effects on religious development. |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by wiegraf: 8:57pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
I have Muskeeto, macof, Scyllapatron, (remaining wiegraf, mazaje, pastorAIO) all in one place....On my thread people who's pictures are framed and hanging on my wall. Does it get any better than this? Today is indeed the day that the Lord has made and I will rejoice and be glad in it!! Can I get a hallelujah somebody?! did you purposely choose such a motely crew? the common denominator here, for the most part, is a (usually strong) disdain for the common religious syndrome, aka sheepletitis. this will inevitably lead to a list featuring xters with strong, and importantly, original wills with regards to certain issues, even if not overtly displayed in all cases. in other words, people who like to think for themselves and perhaps have a slight dash of idealism. as for spirituality, the only thing I can say just now, without giving it much thought really, would be that music would be the one thing that immediately evokes something akin to a 'spiritual' experience in me. primarily, I'd say this is down to my number one source of spirituality; a fascination with the unknown. usually this comes from science, or at least certain types/aspects of it. exploring new ideas of a certain variety is where it's at, but not necessarily so. stuff like emotions or the simple human condition do also play as catalysts. will contribute/elaborate more with time, thought etc. |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by macof(m): 10:45am On Oct 23, 2014 |
PastorAIO: Wat is religious development? Practising more of the dogmas of a religion Or better understanding of a religion?? And you can become more spiritual as humans aren't spiritual beings we are physical beings trying to connect with our spiritual self (which isn't human), this which you probably can't fully achieve in one life time our humanity is a challenge, to overcome several hurdles to building up a better spiritual self 1 Like |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by urcutecrush(f): 1:52pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Spirituality is so much intertwined with religion that I steer clear away from it. I dint drop religion to start worshippin spirituality.instead of using spirituality I prefer using MY SPIRIT. After religion i still have my spirit to do with as I please.if I want to make it leap that is feel inner peace i listen to music,take long walks and enjoy the company of others.after religion I realize I don't need it to be happy. What i miss tho is having someone to blame for all my misfortune(Devil,enemies,witches e.t.c). I live my life with love and the fact that I can plant a seedand it becomes a flower, share a bit of knowledge and it becomes another's, smile at someone and receive a smile in return, are to me continual spiritual exercises cos I feel inner peace (LEO) 1 Like |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by Nobody: 2:24pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
I gave up on the inevitable and utter futility of organized religion many years ago. I was born with innate abilities that were rejected by religion unless I conformed to a narrow world view, I declined and was forced to fend for myself spiritually. Today I have no religion, I practice Tantra which is not a religion but a method of attaining self-awareness, I have done so for more than two decades and much the happier for it. I found my place in the scheme of things…so to speak. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by PastorAIO: 6:59pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
macof: The continued practise of certain disciplines in order to bring about a state of being connected to the world and to oneself. The idea of practising a dogma is oxymoronic. A dogma is accepted intellectually or rejected. A dogma isn't practised. Religious development is not better understanding of a religion. Maybe that would be sociology or anthropology. macof: Excuse me, what were you saying about Dogma? We are not spiritual beings but we have a spiritual self?? (which isn't human? explain this to me, please.) It take it that you believe your physical self (your body) is the only real you. Also of interest.... Why do you think you cannot connect with your spiritual self which is not you in one lifetime? Where I think I agree with you but we are using different approaches is where you seem to be saying that physical and spiritual need to be connected. The difference is that you are adamant that the spiritual part is not the self, but only the physical part. At least you agree that there are parts and that those parts are fractured and need to be reconnected. The question then is ... what are the methods by which we can effect this reconnection of the parts? That Methodology is what I call Religious practice. You can practice it within a cult or not. Of course you can grow spiritually just as you can grow physically, but to suggest that humans are not spiritual beings, and to do so dogmatically without back up, contradicts everything that I hold to be true and right. |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by ratatis(m): 9:40pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
urcutecrush: As you unfold further, you'll awaken to the realization that you are not a body that has a spirit.; rather, you are Soul that is encased in a physical body. At any rate, one has to start from somewhere. |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by urcutecrush(f): 9:56pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
ratatis:Agreed partly cos if i agree any futher i will tend to believe after death the soul will still exist which I know its a lie. Start what if i may ask |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by ratatis(m): 10:54pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
@ urcutecrush. I mean, we begin from somewhere & continue unfolding at our own rate. |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by macof(m): 6:14pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
PastorAIO: All this is jst gabbage abeg Religious development is restricted to watever dogmas u adhere to..living with these dogmas more intensely Totally different from spiritual development by which it's you getting to understand the universe better and connecting with ones inner self. as humans we are not spiritual beings we are physical beings, we only have a spiritual self limited by the body We use human experience and knowledge to develop our spirit self Animals have spirits too, they have the same need to develop spiritually as humans which can only happen through the physical which makes us either man or animal. or u think there such a thing as dog spirit, tiger spirit, snake spirit and all dem bullshiit u hear from Tb jahshiit 1 Like |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by PastorAIO: 6:35pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
macof: I don't think that you've thought through any of what you are saying, not to talk of experienced it, but since you are happy to dismiss what I posted as ga(b)bage without even addressing one single point then It's best to just leave the matter there. |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by ratatis(m): 9:01pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
urcutecrush: So, if I may humbly ask, how did you arrive at the knowledge that it's a lie for the Soul to survive death? |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by macof(m): 10:15pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
PastorAIO: Ok I guess we have to agree to disagree here. I don't have much time to spend throwing arguments around |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by Kay17: 11:13pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
“Traditionally, spirituality has been defined as a process of personal transformation in accordance with religious ideals. Since the 19th century spirituality is often separated from religion, and has become oriented on subjective experience and psychological growth. [b]It may refer to almost any kind of meaningful activity or blissful experience, but without a single widely-agreed definition.” (Wikipedia) What do you understand by "Good"? why is it necessary to be good at all? Wouldn't you be adhering to the religious rules you found rigid and unstimulating? |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by urcutecrush(f): 7:58am On Oct 25, 2014 |
ratatis:Since nothing existed before death den nothing should exist after death 1 Like |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by ratatis(m): 8:20am On Oct 25, 2014 |
urcutecrush: This philosophy is too advance for me! |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by urcutecrush(f): 8:37am On Oct 25, 2014 |
ratatis:Lol!I thought it was the simplest of logic 1 Like |
Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by PastorAIO: 7:18pm On Oct 27, 2014 |
ratatis: More Dogma. 1 Like |
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