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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 8:01am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Am not looking for the meaning of Revelation 14:15 just saying that reaping means harvesting. Is there any other of reaping apart from harvesting? Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 8:03am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Since it is a universal principle, please explain to us what Paul reaped from giving; 1. His time, 2. His money 3. His privilleges Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 8:06am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Thank you, that's why I call them hooligans who are only fit for regurgitating Oyaks philosophies. No different from Jehovah's Witnesses who are actually trained to defend their doctrines. It doesn't matter whether a Witness is in Budapest or Boston, they use the same WORDS and same scriptures quoted and misquoted the same way nannymcphee: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 8:07am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Bidam: Bidam, What about this: "So you also, when you have done all that you were commanded, say, 'We are unworthy servants; we have only done what was our duty.'". - Luke 17:10 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 8:19am On Oct 31, 2014 |
vooks:What you said was seed time and havrvest time. Genesis never said such..it said seed time and HARVEST. There is a reason time wasn't included in the harvest,care to explain it to us? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nannymcphee(f): 8:26am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Bidam: Sorry to Cut in, read my post, therein lies the explanation. vooks quoted it again on this page 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 8:30am On Oct 31, 2014 |
You are splitting hairs with your silly Oyaks semantics. Seed is a noun. Sowing is a verb (action) to force a noun to be a verb, it is qualified by the word time literally meaning a time of seeds. Harvest on the other hand can be a noun meaning what has been harvested or it can be a verb meaning the act of harvesting. So harvest does not need a qualifier to force it to be a verb And besides, Matthew 13:30 (KJV) Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. This parable definitely includes the word harvest time Of course parables are based on realism. There was such a thing as harvest time being the period over which harvest was dome Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 8:40am On Oct 31, 2014 |
vooks:I am used to ur dribbles and deflections from posts. Paul persecutions and sufferings along with other apostles of old does nothing to your lame explanations on giving and receiving. Christian persecutions and sufferings is in no way giving and receiving. Or you can tell us what Paul was saying to the corinthians in 1 cor 5:8? To categorically make a bold claim that Paul was a poor man is a scriptural fallacy, yes he did reap his rewards. Paul was prosperous in all his journeys |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 8:46am On Oct 31, 2014 |
vooks:Calling people names here won't help your sorry pathetic case.Who set the harvest time? Man or God? Did you read my posts at all, or is it your projections into what i never said that is the basis of your contentions here? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 8:49am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Nobody said Paul was poor, that's your own invention probably not off your head Once again, Paul gave his 1. Time 2. Money 3. Privillege Time is very obvious from the record of his journeying. Money is evident in that he is on record at least twice WORKING hard to maintain himself so as not to burden the churches. Paul partly funded his mission work. That means he gave his money to the ministry. No different from a minister who buys their instruments out of his savings. Paul was entitled to support for his work. 1 Cor 9. This is a right he waived. You may ridicule his suffering and persecution but I won't join you. He did it for the sake of the gospel. So could you please explain to us how these immense sacrifices were rewarded given that there is a 'principle' of giving and receiving? Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 8:52am On Oct 31, 2014 |
nannymcphee:I am not a CE member, Let me help your scriptural ineptitude...Seed time is set by MAN, the time for harvest is SET BY GOD, whatever meanings you read into scriptures ARE your insinuations. Paul planted, Appolo watered, who gives the INCREASE 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 8:53am On Oct 31, 2014 |
So there is harvest time after all? Wonderful Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by BabaGnoni: 8:56am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Bidam: Bidam: What is good for the goose is good for the gander It helped your sorry pathetic case when you resorted to name calling as in above "Good morn and then Mr. 'Serpent sleeping with eve heretic'" 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 8:58am On Oct 31, 2014 |
vooks:I am tired of repetitions. Who set the time for harvest in that verse of scripture you quoted? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 9:02am On Oct 31, 2014 |
BabaGnoni:May be you are pained about it abi? Allow me to address posts before you deviate from the topic of discuss, it never helped your sorry pathetic case when you are the FIRST to call me Mr. Pharisee eh? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 9:03am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Nobody sets harvest time, you. Follow natural laws Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by BabaGnoni: 9:05am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Gombs: Though against my better judgement I will quote you. - My apologies to all those that have to re-read your diarrhea of the mouth above there Read the whole of Psalms 82 from where Jesus quoted John 10.34 to get the context of the whole gist OT hebrew elohim used for judges, came before NT greek, theo. That NT relies on OT for its interpretation Yall must be envied the way you work so hard to pass "GOD" and "god" as God You are divinity? Right I doff my hat to you. Ride on. SMH 5 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 9:11am On Oct 31, 2014 |
It is sad that. WOFers misquote Paul to justify themselves. 1. Paul was talking about ministry where sowing means preaching the Word of God probably at the back of his mind was the famous parable of the sower and from 1Cor 9 we know Paul to be well versed with pathetic teachings of Jesus. 2. Seed time and harvest time are set by natural laws. You can't sow any time of the year and expect a harvest. Harvest time is different for different plants Paul was simply saying that God is the sole Cause of growth in the church and not men. You need to quit stretching analogies out of their logical limits bro. I know this is a convenient excuse you give when tithers and other coerced givers don't recieve harvest/reap; remind them that it is 'up to God' to reward them whenever and wherever. Bidam: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nannymcphee(f): 9:20am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Bidam: maybe you should read my initial post, it was directed at lambanopeace & not you. I only asked you to check the post with reference to your question speaking on ineptitude, that verse again talks about the natural course of events & wasn't talking about sowing seeds as churches have used it to preach. I believe in application of the word, even if that verse is used to buttress sowing & reaping, that time, was not added to "harvest" is inconsequential, the same way "time" was not added to the other things listed, even though they were all times & seasons & phases. This is just semantics, the same way someone can say seed phase or seed planting phase, will you cry out & say its not biblical It is churches that are twisting that verse to mean that when you sow seeds, there is no set time for your harvest, it can come any time, just because there was no time attached to "harvest" in that scripture. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 9:33am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Gombs: This verse does not support the contention that ordinary human beings can ascend to a godlike status. It must be said that the prophets never had scriptures as the absolute authority of God's word like we have it presently, that is a fact that must be put in to perspective. The people depended on divinely appointed individuals as in the case of the judges in Israel. The judges represented God in His authority. They prophesy and reveal God's mind to the people. This mode of communication through prophets and lawyers of the law was valid before Faith appeared Gal 3:23 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. At the advent of faith, God seized to speak to His people by 'prophets, members of the sanhedrin and all that was learned in Jewish laws' Hebrews 1 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Gombs: John 10:34 - Jesus was not telling this to his disciples or his followers but to those who accused him of blasphemy. These people were subject to the curse and wrath of God in line with the book of Jeremiah. [size=16pt]Jeremiah 10:11 Thus shall you say to them: “The gods who did not make the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under the heavens. [/size] The only way any god wouldn't suffer the wrath of this God is to drop the 'i am god' idea and submit to God almighty by becoming a living sacrifice to God's only ordained means of communication which is by and through His word. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nannymcphee(f): 9:36am On Oct 31, 2014 |
vooks: Inspite of the fact that, the verse was talking about natural events, some folks have applied it to sowing of money, while I don't have a problem with that, they stretch it further to say that, when you sow your seed now, you can reap it now because the bible only talked about seed time & not harvest time but harvest based on this teaching, if I give a car now, a new one will & can come now, today today No time for trekking or experiencing inconveniences 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nannymcphee(f): 9:43am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Bidam: Seed time is set by MAN, the time for harvest is SET BY GOD Time for harvest=harvest time the above is true, when it comes to sowing of time, energy, money etc but not entirely true when it comes to crops as used in the genesis verse, God has already set laws in place that governs that when u click on the start button on a windows OS, who/what causes the options to appear, bill gates or the programmer or the OS itself that has been programmed to do such? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:25am On Oct 31, 2014 |
vooks: where did you now get harvest time? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:27am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Bidam: very apt advice bro! |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:35am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Bidam: chaaaaaaaaaaaaai, bidam, how did you steal my thought o! Nannymcphee, please get a biro and notepad.. take notes (notice the plural) remember when Jesus went to a tree to get frit even when it was not its season of fruiting? Harvest is set by God.. but they cant know this. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:38am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Bidam: Good question some people cannot answer 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 10:42am On Oct 31, 2014 |
What do you call harvesting? I have explained above why there is no 'time' there plus I have indicated the word harvest time used in a parable. All this means lack of the word harvest up there is inconsequential. It your turn to explain to us WHY there Is 'harvest' and no 'harvest time' Waiting but I KNOW you won't for obvious reasons. Wait for the resident arch- hooligan mbaemeka to save you Gombs: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:43am On Oct 31, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: Read the whole of Psalms 82 from where Jesus quoted John 10.34 to get the context of the whole gist so, like i asked before, God was speaking to judges shey? Yall must be envied the way you work so hard to pass "GOD" and "god" as God go siddon for corner joor... na me write greek? if it was in support of you delusions, you would have quoted it into delirium. Wait for clowns who'd believe yor heresies like you know, Eve and.... |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:47am On Oct 31, 2014 |
nannymcphee: You believe in the application of the Word? ok, Sowing and reaping came from where? OT or NT. if it's the OT, why like Bidam asked did Paul taght about it? This is just semantics, the same way someone can say seed phase or seed planting phase, will you cry out & say its not biblical Semantics shey? Just semantics? Genesis was written by INSPIRATION of God, by Moses. Was God playing semantics? or Moses heard wrong and hence wrote wrong. It is churches that are twisting that verse to mean that when you sow seeds, there is no set time for your harvest, it can come any time, just because there was no time attached to "harvest" in that scripture. your opinion is noted though! Cheers 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 11:02am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Gombs it is your turn What does seed-time in Genesis means? What does harvest mean? Gombs: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 11:05am On Oct 31, 2014 |
vooks: Bidam: i don't practice redundancy! it is not my fault you have reading and comprehension problems. Can you explain why Jesus went to a tree and demanded for a fruit even when He knew it was not its time of fruiting? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 11:20am On Oct 31, 2014 |
You are wallowing in equivocation jumping between spiritual and physical. Can you plant at ANY time of the year any plant like wheat or corn? Gombs: 1 Like |
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