Am not looking for the meaning of Revelation 14:15 just saying that reaping means harvesting. Is there any other of reaping apart from harvesting?

Bidam:
Another silly post.Stop quoting revelations out of context. It is way above your pay grade.

Since it is a universal principle, please explain to us what Paul reaped from giving;
1. His time,
2. His money
3. His privilleges

Bidam:
Whatever you call it. The principle is applicable in the word of God to every realm and level of human activity in the earth not only in finances. I didn't bring the Genesis up, you did, the onus is on you to give us your explanations, rather than the usual dribblings you are used to.

Thank you, that's why I call them hooligans who are only fit for regurgitating Oyaks philosophies. No different from Jehovah's Witnesses who are actually trained to defend their doctrines. It doesn't matter whether a Witness is in Budapest or Boston, they use the same WORDS and same scriptures quoted and misquoted the same way

nannymcphee:


I'm sure you are from CE, what you just said about harvest not having a timeframe is what you were taught but you haven't really studied it for yourself.



The above scripture is talking about the natural events in life. If you claim based on this scripture that there is a time to sow seeds but harvest can be any time, can you explain why crops have seasons when they are available?

Can you sow cocoa & reap it any time or there is a time frame to harvest it?

even though the bible did not add "time" to summer or winter or day or night, aren't these seasons & time

Eg summer time, winter time, day time, night time etc will you now say these aforementioned words are wrong because time was not attached to it in the bible?

Ecc3:2

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted

A TIME to pluck up that which is planted = HARVEST TIME

it time you start studying for yourself all the words/statements you have been taught in church

Bidam:
I don't believe Gombs is of the opinion that given shouldn't be "love driven" or that anyone's act of love should be dependent on any rewards,

What i believe scripture teaches is that "GIVING IS TAUGHT AS RECIPROCAL. Hagin talked about the "Law of sowing and reaping on pg 181. This is conspicuosly absent in your post here.

He said Paul clearly teaches the law of sowing and reaping ( 2 cor 9:6- a far contrast to your "group" assertions that people should give without expecting anything in return which is no where found in scriptures.

Hagin quoted Gal 6:7-8 and Phil 4:14-19 to further drive home a point here. Paul specifically addressed the philippian church that "No church communicated with me concerning GIVING AND RECEIVING, but ye only". So it is in order to say the philippians actually anticipated receving from God because they ministered to Paul's needs.

We often hear folks misquoting Christ and assuming he said that we should "give, hoping for nothing in return", when actually that verse reads "lend hoping for nothing in return". There's is no confusing between "lend" and "give"- and both occur on the basis of Love in His teaching.

Let's take a look at the scripture closely in Luke 6:35 and 38.

To lend is NOT the same as to give.

Giving in a selfless manner does not negate or contradict the fact that it is reciprocal.

If a believer wants to give without expecting anything in return, he or she should clearly be willing to shun all dubious claims to "assurances" and "trust" in God for "rewards" however pretentiously worded. To have assurance or trust in God for His reward at anytime is the same as expecting something in return for giving. All the sweet-talk about 'selfless giving' are lame attempts to deny the obvious.

It is a sanctimonious fallacy often repeated that giving is 'WITHOUT' expecting anything in return from God or man. To maintain that fallacy is to ignore CLEAR teaching of scripture.

Bidam,
What about this:
"So you also, when you have done all that you were commanded, say, 'We are unworthy servants; we have only done what was our duty.'". - Luke 17:10

vooks:
Am not looking for the meaning of Revelation 14:15 just saying that reaping means harvesting. Is there any other of reaping apart from harvesting?

What you said was seed time and havrvest time. Genesis never said such..it said seed time and HARVEST. There is a reason time wasn't included in the harvest,care to explain it to us?

Bidam:
What you said was seed time and havrvest time. Genesis never said such..it said seed time and HARVEST. There is a reason time wasn't included in the harvest,care to explain it to us?

Sorry to Cut in, read my post, therein lies the explanation. vooks quoted it again on this page

You are splitting hairs with your silly Oyaks semantics.
Seed is a noun. Sowing is a verb (action) to force a noun to be a verb, it is qualified by the word time literally meaning a time of seeds.
Harvest on the other hand can be a noun meaning what has been harvested or it can be a verb meaning the act of harvesting. So harvest does not need a qualifier to force it to be a verb

And besides,
Matthew 13:30 (KJV)
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

This parable definitely includes the word harvest time
Of course parables are based on realism. There was such a thing as harvest time being the period over which harvest was dome

Bidam:
What you said was seed time and havrvest time. Genesis never said such..it said seed time and HARVEST. There is a reason time wasn't included in the harvest,care to explain it to us?

vooks:

Since it is a universal principle, please explain to us what Paul reaped from giving;
1. His time,
2. His money
3. His privilleges

I am used to ur dribbles and deflections from posts. Paul persecutions and sufferings along with other apostles of old does nothing to your lame explanations on giving and receiving. Christian persecutions and sufferings is in no way giving and receiving.

Or you can tell us what Paul was saying to the corinthians in 1 cor 5:8?

To categorically make a bold claim that Paul was a poor man is a scriptural fallacy, yes he did reap his rewards.

Paul was prosperous in all his journeys

vooks:
Thank you, that's why I call them hooligans who are only fit for regurgitating Oyaks philosophies. No different from Jehovah's Witnesses who are actually trained to defend their doctrines. It doesn't matter whether a Witness is in Budapest or Boston, they use the same WORDS and same scriptures quoted and misquoted the same way

Calling people names here won't help your sorry pathetic case.Who set the harvest time? Man or God? Did you read my posts at all, or is it your projections into what i never said that is the basis of your contentions here?

Nobody said Paul was poor, that's your own invention probably not off your head
Once again,
Paul gave his
1. Time
2. Money
3. Privillege

Time is very obvious from the record of his journeying. Money is evident in that he is on record at least twice WORKING hard to maintain himself so as not to burden the churches. Paul partly funded his mission work. That means he gave his money to the ministry. No different from a minister who buys their instruments out of his savings. Paul was entitled to support for his work. 1 Cor 9. This is a right he waived.

You may ridicule his suffering and persecution but I won't join you. He did it for the sake of the gospel. So could you please explain to us how these immense sacrifices were rewarded given that there is a 'principle' of giving and receiving?

Bidam:
I am used to ur dribbles and deflections from posts. Paul persecutions and sufferings along with other apostles of old does nothing to your lame explanations on giving and receiving. Christian persecutions and sufferings is in no way giving and receiving.

Or you can tell us what Paul was saying to the corinthians in 1 cor 5:8?

To categorically make a bold claim that Paul was a poor man is a scriptural fallacy, yes he did reap his rewards.

Paul was prosperous in all his journeys

nannymcphee:


Sorry to Cut in, read my post, therein lies the explanation. vooks quoted it again on this page

I am not a CE member, Let me help your scriptural ineptitude...Seed time is set by MAN, the time for harvest is SET BY GOD, whatever meanings you read into scriptures ARE your insinuations. Paul planted, Appolo watered, who gives the INCREASE

So there is harvest time after all? Wonderful

Bidam:
Calling people names here won't help your sorry pathetic case.Who set the harvest time? Man or God? Did you read my posts at all, or is it your projections into what i never said that is the basis of your contentions here?

Bidam:
Calling people names here won't help your sorry pathetic case.
Who set the harvest time? Man or God?
Did you read my posts at all, or is it your projections into what i never said that is the basis of your contentions here?

Bidam:
The devil also quotes the bible.Ask Jesus when he was tempted in the wilderness. I know a counterfeit masquerading as "angel of light" when i see them. Good morn. Mr. 'Serpent sleeping with eve heretic'.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander
It helped your sorry pathetic case when you resorted to name calling as in above "Good morn and then Mr. 'Serpent sleeping with eve heretic'"

vooks:
You are splitting hairs with your silly Oyaks semantics.
Seed is a noun. Sowing is a verb (action) to force a noun to be a verb, it is qualified by the word time literally meaning a time of seeds.
Harvest on the other hand can be a noun meaning what has been harvested or it can be a verb meaning the act of harvesting. So harvest does not need a qualifier to force it to be a verb

And besides,
Matthew 13:30 (KJV)
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

This parable definitely includes the word harvest time
Of course parables are based on realism. There was such a thing as harvest time being the period over which harvest was dome

I am tired of repetitions. Who set the time for harvest in that verse of scripture you quoted?

BabaGnoni:




What is good for the goose is good for the gander
It helped your sorry pathetic case when you resorted to name calling as in above "Good morn and then Mr. 'Serpent sleeping with eve heretic'"

May be you are pained about it abi? Allow me to address posts before you deviate from the topic of discuss, it never helped your sorry pathetic case when you are the FIRST to call me Mr. Pharisee eh?

Nobody sets harvest time, you. Follow natural laws

Bidam:
I am tired of repetitions. Who set the time for harvest in that verse of scripture you quoted?

Gombs:
BabaGnoni, I didn't bother quoting you, but a little tit bit from your write up for the intellectual handicapped:

1. Elohim in Psalms 82:6 did not only mean judge as you want us to believe, and that is where my problem with you emanates- acrid dishonesty! Let me school you!
The word Elohim (small 'e' of course) means
1. (plural)
rulers, judges
divine ones
angels
gods
2. (plural intensive - singular meaning)
god, goddess
godlike one
works or special possessions of God
the (true) God
God

From Psalms 82:6, one can readily see (except if they're biased) that David was writing to a target audience, a special breed of folks... That was why Jesus quoted it. Sadly, but I know twas intentional, you left out the other parts of John 10:34 ie v35. Now let's visit that

[KJV] John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Let's read from the message translation, shall we?

38Jesus said, "I'm only quoting your inspired Scriptures, where God said, 'I tell you—you are gods.' If God called your ancestors 'gods'—and Scripture doesn't lie—why do you yell, 'Blasphemer! Blasphemer!' at the unique One the Father consecrated and sent into the world, just because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?


Question, was God calling them judges? BabaGnoni and his band of 10 spies would love us to believe an evil report. He said

The verse has nothing to do whatsoever with Christians at all, at allChristians have no business attaching with the verse as it is about judges, judges given authority to perform martial and judicial duties

So, God was speaking through David to Judges given authority to perform marital and judicial duties? Even when Jesus said God called them gods unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; ? Same word that came to them in the wilderness, came to us too, we received it, as they did, we became gods, because we like some of them in the wilderness mixed it with faith.

hebrews 4:2 MSG
We received the same promises as those people in the wilderness, but the promises didn't do them a bit of good because they didn't receive the promises with faith. If we believe, though, we'll experience that state of resting. But not if we don't have faith. Remember that God said,

If God was addressing judges, why did the preceeding verses say
[KJV] Psalms 82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

Was God referring to just judges or to his whole children?

Jesus said, "why call me a blasphemer because I said I am the son of God? Shey God talk am with him mouth say we all be the children of the Most high in una law books"?

If Jesus asked such, why does it fail babagnoni and his band to comprehend it? In John 10, the word gods there is from the greek theos, small 't' it means

1. a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
2. the Godhead, trinity
God the Father, the first person in the trinity
Christ, the second person of the trinity
Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity
3. spoken of the only and true God
a. refers to the things of God
b. his counsels, interests, things due to him
4. whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way
a. God's representative or viceregen

BabaGnoni, I ask you to point the one Jesus meant in John 10:34. I know I'm likened to God, because as Jesus is, so am I in this world, and Jesus is God, hence I am a god, I am divinity! No wonder the devil wants to use some folks to water down who the Christian is.

BabaGnoni, was jesus referring to judges too, as you said The verse has nothing to do whatsoever with Christians at all, at allChristians have no business attaching with the verse as it is about judges, judges given authority to perform martial and judicial duties

Though against my better judgement I will quote you.
- My apologies to all those that have to re-read your diarrhea of the mouth above there

Read the whole of Psalms 82 from where Jesus quoted John 10.34 to get the context of the whole gist
OT hebrew elohim used for judges, came before NT greek, theo. That NT relies on OT for its interpretation
Yall must be envied the way you work so hard to pass "GOD" and "god" as God
You are divinity? Right I doff my hat to you. Ride on. SMH

It is sad that. WOFers misquote Paul to justify themselves.
1. Paul was talking about ministry where sowing means preaching the Word of God probably at the back of his mind was the famous parable of the sower and from 1Cor 9 we know Paul to be well versed with pathetic teachings of Jesus.

2. Seed time and harvest time are set by natural laws. You can't sow any time of the year and expect a harvest. Harvest time is different for different plants

Paul was simply saying that God is the sole Cause of growth in the church and not men. You need to quit stretching analogies out of their logical limits bro. I know this is a convenient excuse you give when tithers and other coerced givers don't recieve harvest/reap; remind them that it is 'up to God' to reward them whenever and wherever.

Bidam:
I am not a CE member, Let me help your scriptural ineptitude...Seed time is set by MAN, the time for harvest is SET BY GOD, whatever meanings you read into scriptures ARE your insinuations. Paul planted, Appolo watered, who gives the INCREASE

Bidam:
I am not a CE member, Let me help your scriptural ineptitude...Seed time is set by MAN, the time for harvest is SET BY GOD, whatever meanings you read into scriptures ARE your insinuations. Paul planted, Appolo watered, who gives the INCREASE

maybe you should read my initial post, it was directed at lambanopeace & not you. I only asked you to check the post with reference to your question

speaking on ineptitude, that verse again talks about the natural course of events & wasn't talking about sowing seeds as churches have used it to preach.

I believe in application of the word, even if that verse is used to buttress sowing & reaping, that time, was not added to "harvest" is inconsequential, the same way "time" was not added to the other things listed, even though they were all times & seasons & phases.

This is just semantics, the same way someone can say seed phase or seed planting phase, will you cry out & say its not biblical

It is churches that are twisting that verse to mean that when you sow seeds, there is no set time for your harvest, it can come any time, just because there was no time attached to "harvest" in that scripture.

Gombs:
1. Elohim in Psalms 82:6 did not only mean judge -The word Elohim (small 'e' of course) means
1. (plural)
rulers, judges
divine ones
angels
gods
2. (plural intensive - singular meaning)
god, goddess
godlike one
works or special possessions of God
the (true) God
God

From Psalms 82:6, one can readily see (except if they're biased) that David was writing to a target audience, a special breed of folks

This verse does not support the contention that ordinary human beings can ascend to a godlike status.

It must be said that the prophets never had scriptures as the absolute authority of God's word like we have it presently, that is a fact that must be put in to perspective.

The people depended on divinely appointed individuals as in the case of the judges in Israel. The judges represented God in His authority. They prophesy and reveal God's mind to the people.

This mode of communication through prophets and lawyers of the law was valid before Faith appeared

Gal 3:23
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

At the advent of faith, God seized to speak to His people by 'prophets, members of the sanhedrin and all that was learned in Jewish laws'

Hebrews 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Gombs:

... That was why Jesus quoted it. Sadly, but I know twas intentional, you left out the other parts of John 10:34 ie v35. Now let's visit that

[KJV] John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Let's read from the message translation, shall we?

38Jesus said, "I'm only quoting your inspired Scriptures, where God said, 'I tell you—you are gods.' If God called your ancestors 'gods'—and Scripture doesn't lie—why do you yell, 'Blasphemer! Blasphemer!' at the unique One the Father consecrated and sent into the world, just because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?


Question, was God calling them judges? BabaGnoni and his band of 10 spies would love us to believe an evil report. He said

The verse has nothing to do whatsoever with Christians at all, at allChristians have no business attaching with the verse as it is about judges, judges given authority to perform martial and judicial duties

So, God was speaking through David to Judges given authority to perform marital and judicial duties? Even when Jesus said God called them gods unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; ? Same word that came to them in the wilderness, came to us too, we received it, as they did, we became gods, because we like some of them in the wilderness mixed it with faith.

hebrews 4:2 MSG
We received the same promises as those people in the wilderness, but the promises didn't do them a bit of good because they didn't receive the promises with faith. If we believe, though, we'll experience that state of resting. But not if we don't have faith. Remember that God said,

If God was addressing judges, why did the preceeding verses say
[KJV] Psalms 82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

Was God referring to just judges or to his whole children?

Jesus said, "why call me a blasphemer because I said I am the son of God? Shey God talk am with him mouth say we all be the children of the Most high in una law books"?

If Jesus asked such, why does it fail babagnoni and his band to comprehend it? In John 10, the word gods there is from the greek theos, small 't' it means

1. a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
2. the Godhead, trinity
God the Father, the first person in the trinity
Christ, the second person of the trinity
Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity
3. spoken of the only and true God
a. refers to the things of God
b. his counsels, interests, things due to him
4. whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way
a. God's representative or viceregen

BabaGnoni, I ask you to point the one Jesus meant in John 10:34. I know I'm likened to God, because as Jesus is, so am I in this world, and Jesus is God, hence I am a god, I am divinity! No wonder the devil wants to use some folks to water down who the Christian is.

BabaGnoni, was jesus referring to judges too, as you said The verse has nothing to do whatsoever with Christians at all, at allChristians have no business attaching with the verse as it is about judges, judges given authority to perform martial and judicial duties

John 10:34 - Jesus was not telling this to his disciples or his followers but to those who accused him of blasphemy. These people were subject to the curse and wrath of God in line with the book of Jeremiah.

[size=16pt]Jeremiah 10:11
Thus shall you say to them: “The gods who did not make the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under the heavens.
[/size]
The only way any god wouldn't suffer the wrath of this God is to drop the 'i am god' idea and submit to God almighty by becoming a living sacrifice to God's only ordained means of communication which is by and through His word.

vooks:


2. Seed time and harvest time are set by natural laws. You can't sow any time of the year and expect a harvest. Harvest time is different for different plants

Inspite of the fact that, the verse was talking about natural events, some folks have applied it to sowing of money, while I don't have a problem with that, they stretch it further to say that, when you sow your seed now, you can reap it now because the bible only talked about seed time & not harvest time but harvest

based on this teaching, if I give a car now, a new one will & can come now, today today

No time for trekking or experiencing inconveniences

Bidam: Seed time is set by MAN, the time for harvest is SET BY GOD

Time for harvest=harvest time

the above is true, when it comes to sowing of time, energy, money etc but not entirely true when it comes to crops as used in the genesis verse, God has already set laws in place that governs that

when u click on the start button on a windows OS, who/what causes the options to appear, bill gates or the programmer or the OS itself that has been programmed to do such?

vooks:

It's first mentioned in
Genesis 8:22 (KJV)
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

For NT application of the same and specifically with regard to WOF and abuse of scriptures, ask your matey Bidam

where did you now get harvest time?

Bidam:
Did you ignore the fact that her post mentioned there is seedtime but nothing like harvesttime or are you being mischievious here? Take time to read peoples post before replying na.

very apt advice bro!

Bidam:
I am not a CE member, Let me help your scriptural ineptitude... Seed time is set by MAN, the time for harvest is SET BY GOD, whatever meanings you read into scriptures ARE your insinuations. Paul planted, Appolo watered, who gives the INCREASE

chaaaaaaaaaaaaai, bidam, how did you steal my thought o! Nannymcphee, please get a biro and notepad.. take notes (notice the plural)

remember when Jesus went to a tree to get frit even when it was not its season of fruiting? Harvest is set by God.. but they cant know this.

Bidam:
I am tired of repetitions. Who set the time for harvest in that verse of scripture you quoted?

Good question some people cannot answer

What do you call harvesting?
I have explained above why there is no 'time' there plus I have indicated the word harvest time used in a parable. All this means lack of the word harvest up there is inconsequential. It your turn to explain to us WHY there Is 'harvest' and no 'harvest time'

Waiting but I KNOW you won't for obvious reasons. Wait for the resident arch- hooligan mbaemeka to save you

Gombs:


where did you now get harvest time?

BabaGnoni:


Though against my better judgement I will quote you.
- My apologies to all those that have to re-read your diarrhea of the mouth above there

Read the whole of Psalms 82 from where Jesus quoted John 10.34 to get the context of the whole gist
OT hebrew elohim used for judges, came before NT greek, theo. That NT relies on OT for its interpretation

so, like i asked before, God was speaking to judges shey?

Yall must be envied the way you work so hard to pass "GOD" and "god" as God
You are divinity? Right I doff my hat to you. Ride on. SMH

go siddon for corner joor... na me write greek? if it was in support of you delusions, you would have quoted it into delirium. Wait for clowns who'd believe yor heresies like you know, Eve and....

nannymcphee:


maybe you should read my initial post, it was directed at lambanopeace & not you. I only asked you to check the post with reference to your question

speaking on ineptitude, that verse again talks about the natural course of events & wasn't talking about sowing seeds as churches have used it to preach.

I believe in application of the word, even if that verse is used to buttress sowing & reaping, that time, was not added to "harvest" is inconsequential, the same way "time" was not added to the other things listed, even though they were all times & seasons & phases.

You believe in the application of the Word? ok, Sowing and reaping came from where? OT or NT. if it's the OT, why like Bidam asked did Paul taght about it?

This is just semantics, the same way someone can say seed phase or seed planting phase, will you cry out & say its not biblical

Semantics shey? Just semantics? Genesis was written by INSPIRATION of God, by Moses. Was God playing semantics? or Moses heard wrong and hence wrote wrong.

It is churches that are twisting that verse to mean that when you sow seeds, there is no set time for your harvest, it can come any time, just because there was no time attached to "harvest" in that scripture.

your opinion is noted though!
Cheers

Gombs it is your turn
What does seed-time in Genesis means?
What does harvest mean?

Gombs:


You believe in the application of the Word? ok, Sowing and reaping came from where? OT or NT. if it's the OT, why like Bidam asked did Paul taght about it?




Semantics shey? Just semantics? Genesis was written by INSPIRATION of God, by Moses. Was God playing semantics? or Moses heard wrong and hence wrote wrong.



your opinion is noted though!
Cheers

vooks:
Gombs it is your turn
What does seed-time in Genesis means?
What does harvest mean?

Bidam:
I am not a CE member, Let me help your scriptural ineptitude...Seed time is set by MAN, the time for harvest is SET BY GOD, whatever meanings you read into scriptures ARE your insinuations. Paul planted, Appolo watered, who gives the INCREASE

i don't practice redundancy! it is not my fault you have reading and comprehension problems.

Can you explain why Jesus went to a tree and demanded for a fruit even when He knew it was not its time of fruiting?

You are wallowing in equivocation jumping between spiritual and physical.
Can you plant at ANY time of the year any plant like wheat or corn?

Gombs:






i don't practice redundancy! it is not my fault you have reading and comprehension problems.

Can you explain why Jesus went to a tree and demanded for a fruit even when He knew it was not its time of fruiting?