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Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by nagoma(m): 11:53am On Nov 16, 2014
9japride:
@Nagoma I'm being honest guys up north r too violent if any issue come up dey r quick to murder any1 yet issue of BH dey just sit there. When dis BH stuff started dey were all supporting BH likening it to Niger delta militant. Abeg think well and tell them to help themselves especially d moslem guys. @ Mogidi u spoke well

Thank you but what is the role of an effective President commander in chief when his country is been taken and declared independent? Gowon did not accuse any religion or groups , he just went out and took it back. Please stop all this whining and tell Jonathan that being a president is much more than having ten luxury jets and billion Naira food allowance. He has to do some work as well.

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Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by nagoma(m): 11:55am On Nov 16, 2014
Mogidi:


Did you not say there's nothing the north can do, that was my reply to what you said.

Rubbish.

If Jonathan can have the courage to come out and say that he is fighting the North , then we can withdraw our men in the military and face you.
Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by Mogidi: 11:56am On Nov 16, 2014
nagoma:


If you are sure of that statement why don't you tell Minimmah or Jonathan Himself because it part of their duty to instill loyalty and to fish out disloyal officers and try them. The military are well trained in doing that , or are you saying that the Minimah is untrained?

Which loyalty is greater, loyalty to the state or loyalty to religion?
Its the duty of Northern religious leaders to re-orientate those military men helping boko haram.
You can never win a religious war with superior fire power, your people need to know boko haram are enemies of all. Recently ACF agreed they would now join the fed govt to fight boko haram, what were they doing all this time?

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Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by olalekan1(m): 11:57am On Nov 16, 2014
Mekateka:
The rubbish you wrote here came out of hatred you have for the pastor and christians. And this hatred has successfully paddled you and your fellows into terrorist activities. The truth is always bitter to evil people like you. We christians know for sure that all muslims are terrorists and we can only be proved wrong when muslims come out in mass to fight against bokoharam activities. I know you know what I mean by fight.
I am a muslim, I am not a terrorist
I am a mislim, I dont support Boko Haram
I am a muslim, I dont support terrorism
I am a muslim, I love christians
I am a muslim, I dont discriminate
I am a muslim, I love mankind
I am a muslim, I preach peace
I am a muslim, I love peace
I am a muslim, I love Nigeria
I am a muslim, I love you
Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by obailala(m): 11:58am On Nov 16, 2014
Am I the only one who thinks the title of this thread is wrong?

In the writeup pst Ayo has suggested that Muslim clerics should negotiate but the title says "Don't negotiate with BH"

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Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by Mogidi: 11:59am On Nov 16, 2014
nagoma:


Thank you but what is the role of an effective President commander in chief when his country is been taken and declared independent? [size=13pt]Gowon did not accuse any religion or groups , he just went out and took it back[/size]. Please stop all this whining and tell Jonathan that being a president is much more than having ten luxury jets and billion Naira food allowance. He has to do some work. As well.

The Biafran secession was never a religious war, prove me wrong, stop confusing yourself.

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Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by Abba999(f): 12:00pm On Nov 16, 2014
iceberylin:

Lol..BH cant visit Ph city grin


Ooh!
...she's nice... I guess because she's in our land grin lipsrsealed


Please don't mind me ooo. #Good people are spotted everywhere. kiss
Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by Mogidi: 12:03pm On Nov 16, 2014
olalekan1:

I am a muslim, I am not a terrorist
I am a mislim, I dont support Boko Haram
I am a muslim, I dont support terrorism
I am a muslim, I love christians
I am a muslim, I dont discriminate
I am a muslim, I love mankind
I am a muslim, I preach peace
I am a muslim, I love peace
I am a muslim, I love Nigeria
I am a muslim, I love you

You muslims are so lovey dovey that half the war in the world today are by muslims. From Pakistan to Afghanistan to Chechen to Indian.

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Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by iceberylin(m): 12:03pm On Nov 16, 2014
Abba999:


No
Ooh!
...she's nice... I guess because she's i lagrin lipsrsealed


Please don't mind me ooo. #Good people are spotted everywhere. kiss
Our land shocked

You stay in Ph cool
Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by DaBullIT(m): 12:03pm On Nov 16, 2014
All I see is hate and envy , pastor bling going , pastor 50 cent , untop Wetin?

Anyhow sha as a Nigerian the pastor get right to talk him mind ,and even he no state the obvious (clerics being killed and stuffs) he may have implied it all the way

Anyways I'm not defending him , I'm just saying it takes forgiveness and cooperation to solve Boko haram problem giving talks might be an inspiration . Insults and died,beef no dey carry anybody reach anywhere . worst of all the pastor no dey hear am. Ló bá tán

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Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by olalekan1(m): 12:04pm On Nov 16, 2014
Iykopee:
who cares to explain the wahhabi and salafi doctrines? These are points raised by pastor ayo. Any muslim to help us with little explanation?
As a muslim, I dont even know the meaning of those terms. I have never heard of them. Honestly!
Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by nagoma(m): 12:05pm On Nov 16, 2014
Mogidi:


Which loyalty is greater, loyalty to the state or loyalty to religion?
Its the duty of Northern religious leaders to re-orientate those military men helping boko haram.
You can never win a religious war with superior fire power, your people need to know boko haram are enemies of all. Recently ACF agreed they would now join the fed govt to fight boko haram, what were they doing all this time?

Who is ACF and when did they say that? Right now I have close relatives who are in the army and I have lost some people to BH.
As far as I know the military , the police and all armed forces is for all Nigeria and All of us are represented but you seem to be saying That north is not contributing to the fight. You think the JTF and the hunters making efforts and successes are coming from the south to do that? Please reorient your thinking, don't let hatred destroy you humanity and independent thinking.
Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by 9japride(m): 12:07pm On Nov 16, 2014
Its only d owner of a household that can only help him/herself to resolve any issue. U don't expect sm1 to do it for u. North help urself forget about Pastor Ayo wearing bling, is it a crime to wear nice tinz. Its only pastor Ayo that is really vocal about dis BH stuff than any other pastor so its logical for people especially BH sympathizers to hate him. Dey there don't think of helping urselves. @Nagoma forget about those northerner leaders they r not sincere about d whole crises

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Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by Mogidi: 12:12pm On Nov 16, 2014
nagoma:


Who is ACF and when did they say that? Right now I have close relatives who are in the army and I have lost some people to BH , the military , the police and all armed forces is for all Nigeria and Al, are represented but you seem to be saying That north is not contributing to the fight. You think the JTF and the hunters making efforts and successes are coming from the south to do that? Please reorient your thinking, don't let hatred destroy you humanity and independent thinking.

ACF is Arewa Consultative Forum.
We all want the insurgency to stop but what I can't stand is people like you blaming Oritsejafor even though he's been cleared of all wrong doings. Your people have to confront the monster boko haram, Imams have to advice the youths in your mosque to shun violence, a reputable Imam would have to negotiate with boko haram also.

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Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by tess1(m): 12:14pm On Nov 16, 2014
Mogidi:
Half of those spewing rubbish here either have comprehension problem or are boko haram sympathisers. What is wrong in telling muslims to use superior quranic verses to defeat a muslim terrorist organisation who uses verses from the quran to justify their actions?

Is Pastor Ayo not from the Niger Delta and wasn't he one of the people that cajoled, begged and negotiated the cease fire between the fed and the delta militants?

At the beginning the Imams and political heavyweights from the north saw boko haram as freedom fighters, fighting for the good of Islam. It was ok when bokoharam were targeting churches, schools and any symbol of Christianity. Now the hydra monster they created is beyond control and its now killing muslims who don't agree with their interpretation of the Quran.
Boko haram are an Islamic terrorist organisation, they would stop when muslims stop aiding and abetting them.

Could you please bring out a quote or link where at the beggining "Imams" from the North saw Boko Haram as freedom fighters fighting for the good of Islam. You don`t just come here and make blanket statement with no proof. No Imam was in support of their activities right from the beginning.
Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by OLADD: 12:16pm On Nov 16, 2014
pendy79:
When will this man learn to keep his trap shut n continue to feed fat from the fountain of political patronage of PDP and GEJ.

How many fatwas have been given against ISIS in the middleast, how many public broadcast and messages has eminent Islamic jurists given to adherent to the stupid and non scriptural acts of Boko Haram? If the first instruction of Angel Jubril to the the prophet of Islam was IQRA(read) where will BH now say it got its own version of Education being forbidden.

Guess the day SHAME was shared in the heavens, pastor bling bling wasn't at home. He keeps spewing rubbish Everytime he talks. Shiek Jaffar was killed for preaching against their ideology, shiek gunmi escaped a suicide bombing attack, many eminent scholars killed in cold blood all because they countered the sentiment and belief of boko haram.

He should leave serious matters of state security to wise counsels and continue in his gun running or money laundering private jet kabukabu biz.


A terrorist ideology is dealt with with fatal blows and rendered incapacitated with superior military tactics and intelligence.

You only negotiate with remnants of the group who are scared of their lives after seeing what have become of their comrades at arms. The Tamil Tigers of srilanka, the abu sayyef of thailand, the alqaeda of afghanistan, the taliban in pakistan, the basque separitist group ETA in spain and france, the columbian FARC, the IRA in northern ireland, the AQIM in Algeria and Northern mail were made to face the full military force of the countries they operated in, they paid with their bloods and lives and were the ones eager and begging for peace when they felt the squeeze.
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You can easily be deemed to be a good philosopher in Islamic extremism but what would have stood as a great writeup was polluted with innuendos, unsubstantiated fallacies and spurious allegations. In the first instance, it's ill-concieved to link Orishajefor with gun running and political patronage. . Lettered individuals like you should try as much as possible to eschew insinuations while trying to pass ideas across to your audience. The fact that the man of God is close to the president does not necessarily poryay him as a PDP apologist.
Moreover, the Nigerian situation is a little different from those of Taliban and other extremists. Don't forget that at a particular point in time, BOKO HARAM NOMINATED BUHARI as a go-between and negotiator with the Federal Govt. So Orishajefor cannot be completely wrong to suggest the intervention of Northern Muslim Clerics and political leaders. If these people are sincere with themselves, Boko Haram can be talked into submission but it's glaring and unmistakable that they are benefitting from the carnage. Boko Haram apparently enjoys the support of the "born to rule" northern oligarchy and those that nurse the intention of making the core north a solely Islamic enclave.

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Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by Abba999(f): 12:20pm On Nov 16, 2014
olalekan1:

I am a muslim, I am not a terrorist
I am a mislim, I dont support Boko Haram
I am a muslim, I dont support terrorism
I am a muslim, I love christians
I am a muslim, I dont discriminate
I am a muslim, I love mankind
I am a muslim, I preach peace
I am a muslim, I love peace
I am a muslim, I love Nigeria
I am a muslim, I love you


My dear, it's not Your religion that made you "Love"
It's your Karmic in-depth- You are among the higher spiritual beings.

Please, seek deeper whom you are, so as to tap into your hidden powers - then you'll realize your purpose on earth.
smiley smiley smiley
Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by Mogidi: 12:20pm On Nov 16, 2014
tess1:


Could you please bring out a quote or link where at the beggining "Imams" from the North saw Boko Haram as freedom fighters fighting for the good of Islam. You don`t just come here and make blanket statement with no proof. No Imam was in support of their activities right from the beginning.

Can you show a link of where Imams berated the insurgents at the beginning?
You were all cheerleaders until the hydra monster morphed into an uncontrollable killing machine, unable to distinguish muslims from Christians.

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Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by 9japride(m): 12:21pm On Nov 16, 2014
Oladd u spoke well

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Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by Abba999(f): 12:23pm On Nov 16, 2014
iceberylin:

Our land shocked

You stay in Ph cool


No! I live in Italy but Am Ijaw and half Igbo. smiley
Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by 9japride(m): 12:24pm On Nov 16, 2014
Mogidi:


Can you show a link of where Imams berated the insurgents at the beginning?
You were all cheerleaders until the hydra monster morphed into an uncontrollable killing machine, unable to distinguish muslims from Christians.

Tell am. Initially they all supported it now it has fallen to d wrong hands and political vultures

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Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by DRealGeesam(m): 12:24pm On Nov 16, 2014
pendy79:
When will this man learn to keep his trap shut n continue to feed fat from the fountain of political patronage of PDP and GEJ.

How many fatwas have been given against ISIS in the middleast, how many public broadcast and messages has eminent Islamic jurists given to adherent to the stupid and non scriptural acts of Boko Haram? If the first instruction of Angel Jubril to the the prophet of Islam was IQRA(read) where will BH now say it got its own version of Education being forbidden.

Guess the day SHAME was shared in the heavens, pastor bling bling wasn't at home. He keeps spewing rubbish Everytime he talks. Shiek Jaffar was killed for preaching against their ideology, shiek gunmi escaped a suicide bombing attack, many eminent scholars killed in cold blood all because they countered the sentiment and belief of boko haram.

He should leave serious matters of state security to wise counsels and continue in his gun running or money laundering private jet kabukabu biz.


A terrorist ideology is dealt with with fatal blows and rendered incapacitated with superior military tactics and intelligence.

You only negotiate with remnants of the group who are scared of their lives after seeing what have become of their comrades at arms. The Tamil Tigers of srilanka, the abu sayyef of thailand, the alqaeda of afghanistan, the taliban in pakistan, the basque separitist group ETA in spain and france, the columbian FARC, the IRA in northern ireland, the AQIM in Algeria and Northern mail were made to face the full military force of the countries they operated in, they paid with their bloods and lives and were the ones eager and begging for peace when they felt the squeeze.
There is hope for Nigeria with people like you and me.
I'm elated when i read comments like yours here.
You did not just criticize, you gave a very good solution that our (insert any adjective)government has refused to follow through.

Thank you brother

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Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by olayinka63: 12:27pm On Nov 16, 2014
Splashme:


Any Muslim in the house?
can't you read the comment of the first poster
Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by Mogidi: 12:28pm On Nov 16, 2014
OLADD:
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You can easily be deemed to be a good philosopher in Islamic extremism but what would have stood as a great writeup was polluted with innuendos, unsubstantiated fallacies and spurious allegations. In the first instance, it's ill-concieved to link Orishajefor with gun running and political patronage. . Lettered individuals like you should try as much as possible to eschew insinuations while trying to pass ideas across to your audience. The fact that the man of God is close to the president does not necessarily poryay him as a PDP apologist.
Moreover, the Nigerian situation is a little different from those of Taliban and other extremists. Don't forget that at a particular point in time, BOKO HARAM NOMINATED BUHARI as a go-between and negotiator with the Federal Govt. So Orishajefor cannot be completely wrong to suggest the intervention of Northern Muslim Clerics and political leaders. If these people are sincere with themselves, Boko Haram can be talked into submission but it's glaring and unmistakable that they are benefitting from the carnage. Boko Haram apparently enjoys the support of the "born to rule" northern oligarchy and those that nurse the intention of making the core north a solely Islamic enclave.

Very apt, a great and succinct rejoinder.

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Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by Mogidi: 12:30pm On Nov 16, 2014
9japride:


Tell am. Initially they all supported it now it has fallen to d wrong hands and political vultures

Dey no fit control the monster they created, na their wahala jare.

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Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by olayinka63: 12:31pm On Nov 16, 2014
9japride:


Tell am. Initially they all supported it now it has fallen to d wrong hands and political vultures

and do you think a sane person will support brutal killing abeg this is not matter of religion we need to fight it together every denominations of religion in Nigeria are suffering from this act dont add to the violence make determination to provide solutions
Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by 9japride(m): 12:33pm On Nov 16, 2014
Mogidi:


Dey no fit control the monster they created, na their wahala jare.

Yes, hoping that they can come together leaving religion out of for faster result.
Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by tess1(m): 12:34pm On Nov 16, 2014
Mogidi:


You muslims are so lovey dovey that half the war in the world today are by muslims. From Pakistan to Afghanistan to Chechen to Indian.

So where did the remaining half of the war come from? The first and second world war were also caused by Muslims.
Most of all these wars u`re talking about has the hands of US in them.
Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by 9japride(m): 12:36pm On Nov 16, 2014
olayinka63:


and do you think a sane person will support brutal killing abeg this is not matter of religion we need to fight it together every denominations of religion in Nigeria are suffering from this act dont add to the violence make determination to provide solutions

Its like u were not in Nigeria when d issue of BH started? They started by killing Christains and d northern leaders kept mute. Majority of people up there said nothing much

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Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by Mogidi: 12:37pm On Nov 16, 2014
9japride:


Yes, hoping that they can come together leaving religion out of for faster result.

I just hope northern political/religious leaders come out to unequivocally denounce these insurgents, we need unified response from them.

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Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by Mogidi: 12:39pm On Nov 16, 2014
tess1:


So where did the remaining half of the war come from? The first and second world war were also caused by Muslims.
Most of all these wars u`re talking about has the hands of US in them.

Blame the USA for boko haram, flawless logic.

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Re: "Don't Negotiate With Boko Haram "- CAN President by kaura5000: 12:42pm On Nov 16, 2014
The sultan of Sokoto, the spiritual leader of Nigeria's Muslims, has condemned the military crackdown against the Islamist Boko Haram sect.
"We cannot solve violence with violence," Mohamed Sa'ad Abubakar told a meeting of religious leaders.
The Boko Haram, based in the north-eastern city of Maiduguri, says it is fighting for Islamic rule.
It has been behind recent assassinations of prominent figures and a wave of bombings.
Two years ago, Nigeria's security forces brutally suppressed an uprising by the sect, destroying its compound in Maiduguri - the capital of Borno state - and then capturing and killing its leader Mohammed Yusuf.
Instead of disappearing, the group, which opposes Western education and is fighting for Islamic rule, re-emerged last September and vowed to avenge its leader's death.
Last month, it said it had carried out an attack on the headquarters of the Nigerian police in Abuja, which killed at least six people.
But the response of the security forces has led to criticism from rights group and the governor of Borno state.
Correspondents say many residents of Maiduguri are now more scared of the army than they are of Boko Haram.
"That problem can never be solved by drafting soldiers into cities where there is [a] problem - and in the process innocent lives were lost," said the sultan, who once served as military officer.
It is the first time the sultan has spoken about the Boko Haram insurgency.
Muslim clerics who have criticised the sect have been among those targeted for assassination in drive-by shootings over the past year.
The sultan also said the five policemen who have just gone on trial this month for the killing of Mr Yusuf should not be given bail.
Boko Haram's official name is Jama'atu Ahlis Sunna Lidda'awati wal-Jihad, which in Arabic means "People Committed to the Propagation of the Prophet's Teachings and Jihad".
But residents of Maiduguri, where it was formed in 2002, dubbed it Boko Haram.
Loosely translated from the local Hausa language, this means Western education is forbidden.
Boko Haram sees such education as corrupting Muslims.
Nigeria - Africa's most populous nation - is split between the predominately Muslim north and largely Christian south.http://m.bbc.com/news/world-africa-14342863

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