shaggy007:


Big deal. Jesus has the same DNA as his father, duh.

sukkot:


means they are of one accord. same goal, same principles

olrotimi:


@Op,.looks like you have been stabbing bible study classes in church. It literally means they are one. Just like you and your father are one in every dissection of the word 'one'

alotofgrace:


They are one in power, in will, and in action

oneda:


2 Peter 3:16 "and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction"

Final warning, Do not ague with brainwashed Jehovah witnesses. There founder Charles T. Russell was a 33rd degree free mason (a Luciferan) Google it if you doubt me. Google also false Watchtower and Tract bible society prophecies to confirm that he is a false Prophet. He currently roasts in Hell fire which he refused to believe in while alive and to which he is leading these millions since.


Pls I do not hate anybody but I cannot place blessing on whom God had cursed

OLAADEGBU:


Can you explain what you mean here?

OLAADEGBU:


It means much more than that it is the Evidence that Jesus is God:

"I and the Father are one."  Again the Jews picked up stones to stone Him, but Jesus said to them: "I have shown you many miracles from the Father, for which of these do you stone me?" "We are not stoning you for any of these,' replied the Jews, 'but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." (John 10:30-33).

CAPTIVATOR:


Did Jesus claim to be God ?? He Neva said such !!! It was the unbelievin Jews that reason as such bcoz they misunderstand his statement , hey man! May i remind u that in John 17:21 Jesus pray dat his followers be "one" same greek word ! So we are all one person ?? Tryin to be sarcastic ! U ar me ryt? Come wit me to 1 cor 3:6,8 " Paul planted, Apollo watered ...Now the one who plants & d one who watered are one" Paul is Apolos , Ryt ??Stop Copy And Paste

OLAADEGBU:


It also means Jesus is God in human form. He said:

"Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I am" (John 8:58.)

Our Lord Jesus is here affirming that He was God manifest in human form.

CAPTIVATOR:


It was you and ur false preachers who reasoned that Jesus is here affirming that he was God manifested in human form !! Bcoz such heresy wasnt in dat john 8:58 ! Lets take a look at the context from verse 57 ........

So the Jews said to him: " You are not yet fifty years old, and you have seen Abraham" .... Dis have to do with AGE OF EXISTENCE ! So Jesus replied : " truly, truly, I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am" or I Existed !!!

" Before Abraham Existed, I Have Exist" - The New Testament, From G.R . Noyes.(1869)

" I have existed before Abraham was born" - The Bible - An American Translation, from J.M.P. Smith and E.J. Goodspeed. (1935)

" I was alive before Abraham was born" - the Simple English Bible (1981)

OLAADEGBU:


I'll advise you to chuck those versions that cannot even construct proper grammar. What is "Before Abraham Existed, I Have Exist"?

Let me give you a little illustration to put you out of your misery. Supposing I give you a small slice of cheese from a large block, assuming that the taste is constant throughout the whole block of cheese,

If the Jews rejected our Lord Jesus Christ, they rejected the Father also—he who is of God hears and believes God's Words but he who is not of God rejects it. The apostle John later says elsewhere that:

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CAPTIVATOR:


The fact is clear .... The verse deals with age !!! I didnt denie the son , Am only glorifying the Father as Our lord Jesus Did When He Said " This means everlasting life, their coming to know you the ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ " - John 17:3

CAPTIVATOR:
The fact is clear .... The verse deals with age !!! I didnt denie the son , Am only glorifying the Father as Our lord Jesus Glorified His Father , when Speaking To Him In Prayer, he said: " This means everlasting life, their coming to know you the ONLY TRUE GOD, And the one whom you Sent, Jesus Christ " - John 17:3

OLAADEGBU:


It is my prayer that the Lord will open the eyes of their understanding that has been darkened by the god of this world so that the daystar can appear in their hearts to believe and receive the light of the gospel.

OLAADEGBU:


If it's about age then tell us how Jesus managed to be older than Abraham?

Yooguyz:


OLA, study his posts very well, if you are very intelligent, you know that it looks like an old member re-incarnate that used to troll your jehovahs witness thread.

OLAADEGBU:


I know he says he is CAPTIVATOR but his voice sounds like that of one BERNIMOORE but let me play along.

CAPTIVATOR:


The fact is clear .... The verse deals with age !!! I didnt denie the son , Am only glorifying the Father as Our lord Jesus Glorified His Father , when Speaking To Him In Prayer, he said: " This means everlasting life, their coming to know you the ONLY TRUE GOD, And the one whom you Sent, Jesus Christ " - John 17:3

Yooguyz:

OLAADEGBU:


If your real intention was to glorify the Father then you should know that the Father glorified the Son just as the Son glorified the Father:

"And now, O Father, glorify me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was" -- John 17:5 The Evidence Bible.

Jesus also declared in this verse that He was WITH THE Father before the world came into existence, and that the Father loved Him before the foundation of the world (vs.24).  Hebrews 7:3 tells us that He had no beginning.  He not only existed before Abraham (John 8:58), He existed before the creation of the world (John 1:1-3).

CAPTIVATOR:


Jesus Christ is the "Firstborn of God's creation" !! Colosians 1:15, Abraham Is Gods creation too but not the first , Jesus was created First , Christ is the " 1stborn of Creation" !!

Rev 3:14 affirms further that " ( Jesus) is the beginning of creation BY God" !!

CAPTIVATOR:


Jesus Christ is the "Firstborn of God's creation" !! Colosians 1:15, Abraham Is Gods creation too but not the first , Jesus was created First , Christ is the " 1stborn of Creation" !!

Rev 3:14 affirms further that " ( Jesus) is the beginning of creation BY God" !!

OLAADEGBU:


"And Jacob went near unto Isaac his father; and he felt him, and said, The voice is Jacob's voice, but the hands are the hands of Esau" (Genesis 27:22)

CAPTIVATOR:


notice the underlined, Thankfully John 17:3, 5 addresses two persons, I (first person) and You ( second person)!! And destroyin Trinitary, Jesus refer to the Father As " THE ONLY TRUE GOD" !!!

CANTICLES:


.... See the preceeding explanation as it twist and turns !!! , u say "first born" means supremacy and pre - eminence !! Lols ... If that is true , and the Trinity Doctrine is true , why are the Father and holyspirit not also said to be the firstborn of creation ?? why are dey not also called s same?? Why only the son ?? !!!

Firstborn occurs many times in d Bible and it applies to d eldest son e.g "firstborn of pharaoh ", " firstborn of the egyptians" thats d Bible usage , which makes it clear that Jesus is the Eldest In Jehovah's Family Of Creation ... And the firstborn was used in creating other things as a Son doin his Father's will, Jesus himself gave the credit of creation to his Father ( Matt 19:4-6)

So why apply a different meaning to it in col 1:15 beacause of a Demonic Dogma handed over to you by the apostate church !! .... See Also Rev 3:14 wich says " Jesus is the beginning of creation BY God"

OLAADEGBU:

Jesus Christ Our Creator

"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him"(Colossians 1:16)

Before one can really know Jesus Christ as Saviour or Lord, he must acknowledge Him as offended and rejected Creator, because He was our Creator first of all.  This is such an important doctrine of the New Testament that it is remarkable how rarely it is emphasized in modern evangelicalism.

Creation by Jesus Christ is the doctrine with which John begins his great gospel of salvation: "In the beginning was the Word, . . . All things were made by him; . . . and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not" (John 1:1, 3, 10).  It is the foundational message of the book of Hebrews: "God. . . . hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds" (Hebrews 1:1-2).

The apostle Paul said that he had been called specifically to preach "the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ" (Ephesians 3:8-9).  When a person becomes a believer in Christ, receiving His very life by the new birth, he is said to be "renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him" (Colossians 3:10).

In the final book of the Bible, Jesus Christ is called the "Alpha . . . the beginning . . . the Almighty" (Revelation 1:8,) as well as "the beginning of the creation of God" (3:14).

But of all the biblical passages identifying Jesus Christ as Creator, the most definitive of all is our text for today. Everything in heaven and earth was created by Him, and for Him!  "For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen" (Romans 11:36). HMM

For more . . . .

CAPTIVATOR:
†̥ђe fact that Jesus Ȋ̝̊̅§ called saviour doesn't mean he is d same person as the father..... 1joh 4:14 says " Father sent his son as †he saviour of †̥ђe world" !!!

That's clear , infact God has raise some people as saviour in d past ...... in judges 3:15 God raise Ehud "as a saviour" for isreal! Yet this doesn't mean Ehud is God !

@op .... Pls explain 1cor 15:24-28 for this thread

CANTICLES:


Why is †̥ђe op reasoning like this ..... Infact God himself promise in Obadiah 13 to raise some
"saviours" can u see its plural !

@op ... Captivator says u should explain 1cor 15:24-28 for this thread !! #grabs lacasera# waiting

OLAADEGBU:


Not so fast. Before you begin to jump to other questions you must first of all answer the many questions I asked on this thread. No grasshopper method here. Start with this question: How many saviours of the world do we have beside God?