cedric24:


block head

Thank you!

Jesus loves you

Maamin:


@ the bold quote is taking out of context.

What fruits do we have to show collectively? What the society does in whole dwarfs a single man's efforts in his closet. Of course, many of such individual efforts is needed to change the society so that the fruits will become conspicuous instead of just being the testimonies of just a handful. My grouse with religion, especially in African society, is that it has succeeded in keeping the African in perpetual slavery. It's difficult for a person whose head is steeped in religion to understand this but our manner of religion is the reason why we are where we are. The black race stopped evolving since we sheepishly accepted the religion our European and Arab "brethren" forced on us. We where given religion without education. The problem is that we immediately jettisoned our own civilization and education and embraced religion because we where told it would cure us of plagues, sicknesses, diseases, poverty and afflictions. We hated our own color. It was another slavery more powerful than it's predecessor. A mind that is not enslaved is free even if the body be in slave and torture but a man with an enslaved mind is a slave even if his body is unrestrained.

Maamin:


First things first..learn to differentiate between insult and description of what you are.

Now what we demanded for is simple..this your so called original but fake Egyptian religion Christianity copied from where is it? ..at least we have the Bible. And stop dancing around in circle

@ the last bold, Can I also call that an insult? ..by the way am not religious

You are guilty of what you accuse us 'real fact and evidence'

(yawn) --- mo fe lo sun

@ Cedric24.... dunno where you coming from or going to.... Don't know ur beliefs and perception about religion but i can tell u r making sense..
@ Op.. i could care less if the Bible or Christianity is copied from Macmillan.or game of thrones ( not that Macmillan or the latter was even around back then )
This religion of a thing really makes me angry... To me..... most religion are just sham... Yep. and Christianity is the biggest sham ever created seconded by Muslim...

I don't have to be a Christian b4 i know that i should express love....to my neighbors... or extend aid to the needy.. bla bla bla..
.And no..... am not an atheist.... I believe There's a supreme being...
The stories in all these so called holy books are just too inconsistent and not really making sense to me....except if u count using it as a mind control.......... .tool... ..

Weah96:


Trolling, huh?

They already predicted you'll end with tis'... Are you followin' a script...?

cedric24:


Religion, being what it is, cannot lead man to God. If anything, the mainstream religions have only succeeded in taking man's quest of higher knowledge backwards. Religion is full of politics and so many men of small minds. This constant bickering about doctrines and correctness will only succeed in widening the partition between us and the knowledge of the Almighty. What is written is far less important than what men do about the written and the unwritten. For man to evolve correctly he needs to be looking forward but religion is designed to keep us in the past, and people that never get pass their past can never move forward. Religion will not open the heavens to man. Fundamentalism and Jihadism are enemies of spiritual progress. Knowledge cannot thrive where religion rules the lives of men and women. Only very few amongst men are truly free and without the freedom to be what you are created to be transcending the limitations of the present ego dominated world would remain a mere dream and only talks on pulpits. I only see posing and bragging about how spiritual and godly we are but in reality all these posing and bragging are empty. Believers are only believers in words but in practice there's really no true believer; just junkies and religiously lost souls.

Neither religion nor science can move a society forward. It is what people do with them that matters. For every atrocity performed in the name of religion, we could give an atrocity performed in the name of science.
Don't be too quick to give up on God. Many scientists are switching their allegiance from evolution to creation because of recent discoveries and the fact that creation has the answer, science does not.
There are absolutes and to not believe so demonstrates a total lack of values. No wonder some persons cannot make the right choice, they have no values from which to base that choice. Moving forward, what does this mean? Moving forward into the abyss or moving forward to a greater Glory.
Religion can't cause man to regress. If man appears to be regressing, it's probably because he never really moved forward in the first place

macof:

Actually christianity isn't about Faith but hope.
Christians have no Faith, all u do is hope u are right about ur beliefs which you have grown so emotionally attached to since childhood

dis where d problem lies,

Hw will u be defining what u don't no or neither u av experience it for us?
We av no faith but hope, sorry ?
why don't u say we no hope gan, why am I surprise?
I'll pray for u...


Wen u are tired of d history u are sayin,
Bro come and taste jesus den u will knw he is sweet.
My advise for u b4 it too late

BossTtdiamonds:


They already predicted you'll end with tis'... Are you followin' a script...?

Is there a gossip session here on NL too? Who are they?

@ Weah96, are you a Nigerian?

dalaman:
@ Weah96, are you a Nigerian?

In everything that matters.

Weah96:


Is there a gossip session here on NL too? Who are they?

I have no idea whether or not there is a gossip session on Nairaland..if you have details, please enlighten me....
As to who they are, they're the one's that wrote the script you're commentin' from...

BossTtdiamonds:


I have no idea whether or not there is a gossip session on Nairaland..if you have details, please enlighten me....
As to who they are, they're the one's that wrote the script you're commentin' from...

Aight.

BossTtdiamonds:


Neither religion nor science can move a society forward. It is what people do with them that matters. For every atrocity performed in the name of religion, we could give an atrocity performed in the name of science.
Don't be too quick to give up on God. Many scientists are switching their allegiance from evolution to creation because of recent discoveries and the fact that creation has the answer, science does not.
There are absolutes and to not believe so demonstrates a total lack of values. No wonder some persons cannot make the right choice, they have no values from which to base that choice. Moving forward, what does this mean? Moving forward into the abyss or moving forward to a greater Glory.
Religion can't cause man to regress. If man appears to be regressing, it's probably because he never really moved forward in the first place

What values do our noisy religions (christianity and islam) bequeath on their followers? You speak as if you are not a member of this Nigerian society where values, principles and purpose have been trampled under foot. Values stem from people's education (formal and informal), exposure (immediate surrounding) and experience. What values do Nigerian Men of God give their followers? Who are our role models? Putting this whole religion visa vi value thing in context, we are living in a period where we as a society have no values. Members only show "loyalty" to their pastors. We lie to ourselves, cheat on each other, take short cuts, pray and wait for manners to fall from heaven where working hard a little extra would suffice. A society where respected Men of God openly anoint and support corrupt politicians. They even dine with them in their "holy" temples and in secret places and you are telling me of values. They convert your tithes and offerings and other voluntary donations into their own personal wealth. We think just because we "confess Jesus Christ is Lord" is all it takes. Even your bible said you should "not take glory in another man's work", you have to show your own work in order to have a genuine claim. Christianity would not come up for much criticism if you're whisked into the skies the moment you just say from your "heart" 'I believe in christ'. We blame every evil on "the last day" except our own damned selves. We fail to beam the torchlight on ourselves. We need to do deep soul searching and atone for our complicity and complacency. This is gross insanity. Let's keep all these inferiority complex we call spirituality aside and face the truth as it is: this society is on the brink of collapse and we are all responsible for it. Hold your men of God by their ears, drag them to the public square and begin asking them to give account for all the money you give them. Let them tell you whether God had actually spoken to them or they are just taking advantage of your ignorance. Ask them the role they play in the desecration of the hallow chambers of our national government. Go on hunger strikes and boycott fellowships until they tell you everything they know and how they are sending you gradually to hell instead of the much drummed about heaven and eternal bliss. You cannot talk of heaven when you cannot have it first here on earth (obviously, that principle is difficult for weak minds to grasp). Charity begins at home. Man has to first create heaven on earth and then when he dies he continues in heaven uninhibited. If when you die you left behind a hell, a disjointed family, wayward children, scandalous priests, disorganized society you simply meet another hell. The cycle continues. The biggest hurdle to our collective spiritual growth is how ignorant the so-called spiritually-minded folks are of spiritual laws. The best way to decipher spiritual laws is to understand natural laws. You'd be surprised that they are mirror images of one another. Biological principles replicate themselves. I'd have like to make references to work done by Deepak Chopra and other eminent scientists, religious practitioners and spiritual scientists but, I am afraid, an average Nigerian does not have the head for the work of science and opinions from other fields. An average nigerian christian thinks his bible is all he needs. How sad!

What values do our noisy religions (christianity and islam) bequeath on their followers? Christians talk as if they are not members of this Nigerian society where values, principles and purpose have been trampled under foot. Values stem from people's education (formal and informal), exposure (immediate surrounding) and experience, and traditions(if any). What values do Nigerian Men of God give their followers? Who are our role models? Putting this whole religion visa vi value thing in context, we are living in a period where we as a society have no values. Members only show "loyalty" to their pastors. We lie to ourselves, cheat on each other, take short cuts, pray and wait for manners to fall from heaven where working hard a little extra would suffice. A society where respected Men of God openly anoint and support corrupt politicians. They even dine with them in their "holy" temples and in secret places and you are telling me of values. They convert your tithes and offerings and other voluntary donations into their own personal wealth. We think just because we "confess Jesus Christ is Lord" is all it takes. Even your bible said you should "not take glory in another man's work", you have to show your own work in order to have a genuine claim. Christianity would not come up for much criticism if you're whisked into the skies the moment you just say from your "heart" 'I believe in christ'. We blame every evil on "the last day" except our own damned selves. We fail to beam the torchlight on ourselves. We need to do deep soul searching and atone for our complicity and complacency. This is gross insanity. Let's keep all these inferiority complex we call spirituality aside and face the truth as it is: this society is on the brink of collapse and we are all responsible for it. Hold your men of God by their ears, drag them to the public square and begin asking them to give account for all the money you give them. Let them tell you whether God had actually spoken to them or they are just taking advantage of your ignorance. Ask them the role they play in the desecration of the hallow chambers of our national government. Go on hunger strikes and boycott fellowships until they tell you everything they know and how they are sending you gradually to hell instead of the much drummed about heaven and eternal bliss. You cannot talk of heaven when you cannot have it first here on earth (obviously, that principle is difficult for weak minds to grasp). Charity begins at home. Man has to first create heaven on earth and then when he dies he continues in heaven uninhibited. If when you die you left behind a hell, a disjointed family, wayward children, scandalous priests, disorganized society you simply meet another hell. The cycle continues. The biggest hurdle to our collective spiritual growth is how ignorant the so-called spiritually-minded folks are of spiritual laws. The best way to decipher spiritual laws is to understand natural laws. You'd be surprised that they are mirror images of one another. Biological principles replicate themselves. I'd have like to make references to work done by Deepak Chopra and other eminent scientists, religious practitioners and spiritual scientists but, I am afraid, an average Nigerian does not have the head for the work of science and opinions from other fields. An average nigerian christian thinks his bible is all he needs. How sad! All that Nigerian children and youths know as they grow up is Nollywood movies, artistes and the latest dancing moves. They can recite many artistes songs off hand, perhaps some bible and qu'ran passages, but they know little about the importance of education, honesty, loyalty to friends, camaraderie, hardwork as against taking shortcuts, critical thinking, etc. All we think about is just how to "make it" anyhow with total disregard to reasonableness and principles. We keep hiding behind our pulpits and bibles in denial of how lowly minded, evil and desperate we have become. I wish you good luck defending your bible and religion. Other world societies would transcend while the black society would remain hell bound.

cedric24:


What values do our noisy religions (christianity and islam) bequeath on their followers? You speak as if you are not a member of this Nigerian society where values, principles and purpose have been trampled under foot. Values stem from people's education (formal and informal), exposure (immediate surrounding) and experience. What values do Nigerian Men of God give their followers? Who are our role models? Putting this whole religion visa vi value thing in context, we are living in a period where we as a society have no values. Members only show "loyalty" to their pastors. We lie to ourselves, cheat on each other, take short cuts, pray and wait for manners to fall from heaven where working hard a little extra would suffice. A society where respected Men of God openly anoint and support corrupt politicians. They even dine with them in their "holy" temples and in secret places and you are telling me of values. They convert your tithes and offerings and other voluntary donations into their own personal wealth. We think just because we "confess Jesus Christ is Lord" is all it takes. Even your bible said you should "not take glory in another man's work", you have to show your own work in order to have a genuine claim. Christianity would not come up for much criticism if you're whisked into the skies the moment you just say from your "heart" 'I believe in christ'. We blame every evil on "the last day" except our own damned selves. We fail to beam the torchlight on ourselves. We need to do deep soul searching and atone for our complicity and complacency. This is gross insanity. Let's keep all these inferiority complex we call spirituality aside and face the truth as it is: this society is on the brink of collapse and we are all responsible for it. Hold your men of God by their ears, drag them to the public square and begin asking them to give account for all the money you give them. Let them tell you whether God had actually spoken to them or they are just taking advantage of your ignorance. Ask them the role they play in the desecration of the hallow chambers of our national government. Go on hunger strikes and boycott fellowships until they tell you everything they know and how they are sending you gradually to hell instead of the much drummed about heaven and eternal bliss. You cannot talk of heaven when you cannot have it first here on earth (obviously, that principle is difficult for weak minds to grasp). Charity begins at home. Man has to first create heaven on earth and then when he dies he continues in heaven uninhibited. If when you die you left behind a hell, a disjointed family, wayward children, scandalous priests, disorganized society you simply meet another hell. The cycle continues. The biggest hurdle to our collective spiritual growth is how ignorant the so-called spiritually-minded folks are of spiritual laws. The best way to decipher spiritual laws is to understand natural laws. You'd be surprised that they are mirror images of one another. Biological principles replicate themselves. I'd have like to make references to work done by Deepak Chopra and other eminent scientists, religious practitioners and spiritual scientists but, I am afraid, an average Nigerian does not have the head for the work of science and opinions from other fields. An average nigerian christian thinks his bible is all he needs. How sad!

Man has always been responsible for his action, the state of our society at current view is a result of our actions. I for only do not allow my actions to be controlled by anyone except that which has been written in the word of God.
The cause of the rot in our society is as a result of the corruption that has failed to be curbed while it was still controllable.
There seems to be no awareness that the liberties and rights that are currently operative in our free society are to a great degree the result of christianity's influence.
History is replete with examples of individuals who acted as law onto themselves, often curtailing even obliterating the natural rights and freedom of the country's citizens. Christianity's inlfuence however set into motion the belief that man is accountable to God and that the law is the same regardless of status. The biblical requirement of Moses is an essential component of this principle that ' no man is above the law'. Some individuals saw this has a stumblin' block to execute their nefarious deeds, so they set out to create a secular society to be free from the tenets of religion... And here you are blabbing..

Weah96:


Aight.

No more words in your scripts ba....??

italo:
Yes. But i hate discussing with you because you dont speak with facts. You like to evade the facts so that your can just blindly spew fallacious attacks on anything but your heathen world.

If you only took a few minutes to seek the truth, you wouldnt be making a fool of your pagan world by trying desperately to attach it with Jesus so it can gain relevance.

Really? I don't speak with facts when I say the Jesus myth was copied from older myths around the world?

If only u took few minutes to seek the truth and quit ur emotional sentiments you would have realized that ur Jesus is a fraud

zyzxx:
dis where d problem lies,

Hw will u be defining what u don't no or neither u av experience it for us?
We av no faith but hope, sorry ?
why don't u say we no hope gan, why am I surprise?
I'll pray for u...


Wen u are tired of d history u are sayin,
Bro come and taste jesus den u will knw he is sweet.
My advise for u b4 it too late

Instead of bringing facts to dispute my post u come here with this rubbish

Fyi, I was a Christian and have tasted ur Jesus, I know all about the emotional sentiments that come with it especially since childhood

You have hope, not Faith

cedric24:


They all copied. Even the ancient Egyptian religion that Christianity copied heavily from is also a lie. Man always has this inkling that there has to be a God, powers, ghosts or something. The quest for power over fellow humans, fear and all sorts of avarice, and also for some good reasons too led our ancestors to take what they do no understand as sacred and holy. Clever writers, performers, poets, monarchies and other authorities created gods, angels and deities giving them story lines that have come to sound plausible and miraculous to people that will read about them later. They are simply myths that the unscientific mind fail to question and accepted as truth. Lies repeated over many years often become truth. The only way to know the truth is to subject them to rigorous test. This requires well and thoroughly educated and liberated minds.

Honestly you are deluded. And its only funny how a lost sheep will call another lost.

You want to tell your head that humans created supernatural powers or coin them when they dont exist. Its often good to allow you guys in this ignorance until the d-day.

What prove do you have that the scriptures were plagiarized? lets start from there.

micynute94:
@ Cedric24.... dunno where you coming from or going to.... Don't know ur beliefs and perception about religion but i can tell u r making sense..
@ Op.. i could care less if the Bible or Christianity is copied from Macmillan.or game of thrones ( not that Macmillan or the latter was even around back then )
This religion of a thing really makes me angry... To me..... most religion are just sham... Yep. and Christianity is the biggest sham ever created seconded by Muslim...

I don't have to be a Christian b4 i know that i should express love....to my neighbors... or extend aid to the needy.. bla bla bla..
.And no..... am not an atheist.... I believe There's a supreme being...
The stories in all these so called holy books are just too inconsistent and not really making sense to me....except if u count using it as a mind control.......... .tool... ..

Why does it not make sense to you? eg the bible.

JMAN05:


Why does it not make sense to you? eg the bible.

Too much stories or should i say fables.
They just don't make sense...

JMAN05:


Why does it not make sense to you? eg the bible.

Too much stories or should i say fables that just don't make sense... much contradictions..

I could start explaining... but am sure it won't do any good apart from inciting a fight from some nairaland or wasting mb.

# Was once a Christian.. so v gone down that path before

JMAN05:


Honestly you are deluded. And its only funny how a lost sheep will call another lost.

You want to tell your head that humans created supernatural powers or coin them when they dont exist. Its often good to allow you guys in this ignorance until the d-day.

What prove do you have that the scriptures were plagiarized? lets start from there.

The scriptures are filled with outright lies and inconsistencies. When you find an old book like that, one tends to look for other books in that category. After that, it was easy.

macof:






Instead of bringing facts to dispute my post u come here with this rubbish

Fyi, I was a Christian and have tasted ur Jesus, I know all about the emotional sentiments that come with it especially since childhood

You have hope, not Faith

how will I bring fact from meaningless statement u makes up there.
Pls define faith for me.

cedric24:


Christianity was started by King Philip and expounded by Alexander, they call the great. He wasn't really great because he was a mass murderer. He started wars where there was peace and prosperity.

Everyone claiming to be knowledgeable these days? Abegi go back to Google. It seems you are a little confused. Alexander the Great died over 300 years before the birth of Christ!

zyzxx:
how will I bring fact from meaningless statement u makes up there.
Pls define faith for me.

complete trust or confidence in someone
or something,

And here's hope:
feeling of expectation and desire for a
particular thing

I am yet to find a Christian who possesses complete trust and confidence in the Christian dogmas
All I see are emotional sentiments with the hope that this dogmas would prove to be real and true someday

Faith doesn't work without intellect, it can give factual points to it's anchor but hope can't

macof:


complete trust or confidence in someone
or something,

And here's hope:
feeling of expectation and desire for a
particular thing

I am yet to find a Christian who possesses complete trust and confidence in the Christian dogmas
All I see are emotional sentiments with the hope that this dogmas would prove to be real and true someday

Faith doesn't work without intellect, it can give factual points to it's anchor but hope can't

I c, u try bro. But dat not d faith we christian have, dis our definition of faith,
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." (Hebrews 11:1).
Do u c dat we av faith according to dis definition ?

zyzxx:
I c, u try bro. But dat not d faith we christian have, dis our definition of faith,
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." (Hebrews 11:1).
Do u c dat we av faith according to dis definition ?

U still proving my point for me

u define Faith as substance/result of things hoped for

True, Paul was right. But you or any Christian don't have that Faith, u are still in the hope level

macof:


U still proving my point for me

u define Faith as substance/result of things hoped for

True, Paul was right. But you or any Christian don't have that Faith, u are still in the hope level

if we don't av faith, how do we pray to God we av not see

micynute94:


Too much stories or should i say fables that just don't make sense... much contradictions..

I could start explaining... but am sure it won't do any good apart from inciting a fight from some nairaland or wasting mb.

# Was once a Christian.. so v gone down that path before

I believe you re sincerely saying all these.

1. Give eg of those stories and why it does not make sense to you?

2. True, some account seem contradictory, but when the scriptures are viewed in totality, those seeming contradictions disappear. Which one has really troubled you that made you give up?

If you consider all denominations that profess Christianity as true Christians, that is where you will get it all wrong. I don't know the denomination you belong to before, but can you give that faith another sincere chance?

Weah96:


The scriptures are filled with outright lies and inconsistencies. When you find an old book like that, one tends to look for other books in that category. After that, it was easy.

So your conclusions are not based on facts, but on the seeming inconsistencies? Ok. But I want to know the other guy's reasons.

zyzxx:
if we don't av faith, how do we pray to God we av not see

That's hope. Prayer itself is an act of hope