BossTtdiamonds:
For some reason, I can't quote your reply, But I'd at best try to copy your replies

First, Let's look at the meanin' of the word Impregnate

Impregnate - /ˈɪmprɛɡneɪt/ verb 1. soak or saturate (something) with a substance. 2. make (a woman or female animal) pregnant.
Concise says "make pregnant; fertilize"

Your argument is flawed based on the definition of the word Impregnate. This' is where I'd question your cognitive and deductive skills.
You also forgot the part I stated "miraculous Impregnate"; your red herring lacks intelligence.

Hmm, you lost me here. Which part of "make pregnant; fertilize" do you not understand, lol.

Let's see what fertilization means :

"Human fertilization is the union of a human egg and sperm, usually occurring in the ampulla of the uterine tube. The result of this union is the production of a zygote, or fertilized egg, initiating prenatal development. Scientists discovered the dynamics of human fertilization in the nineteenth century" - Wikipedia

Duh !!!!

Now , how does your god impregnate Mary since he does not produce sperm ?? You mean your god went against his laws for procreation and fertilised the egg with what ?? SMH @ Ignorance.

The bolded is flawed if you refer to my straw man. If God can create man, why can't Go do this?
What Law's exactly? Where is the premise to back this up? Your replies are suffused with red herrings, I wont be surprised if you have no idea what the suppossed law was refferin' to

Man reproduces through the creative decree of God and if God wanted to bring a Son into the world why did he not just create him instead of having to defy the laws of nature. I find it very interesting that someone can claim to be intelligent and believe in this myth.

Heard tis' bu||sh!t before. On tis' "Talk to the Hand"

No need to get emotional

Paul (and the other epistle-writers) were writing "problem-oriented" letters - so that there was really no need to go out of the way to mention anything that he did not have pertinence for.

Problem oriented letters ?? . Is this one of the buzz words you invented to confuse your students ?

I put it to you that your case is weak, flawed and untenable in the light of overwhelming evidence. If as you and your cohorts say , that one cannot be saved if he/she does not believe in the virgin birth, it has to be in the bible somewhere, no ? You cannot form a major doctrine that is not supported by the main apostles of Christ.

And then you go on to say it was assumed , what !!!!! What about the future believers who would come after, how could they believe in this 'truth' if there was no substantial evidence in scripture , except for a falsely interpreted scripture in Isaiah7 and 2 contradictory biographies in Matthew and Luke. Who are you kidding.

Think, Think and Think with your brain.

Beyond that, Christain theologist have observed that the virginal conception "would have become the subject of preaching (and therefore likely to be included in the kind of writing we find in the New Testament) only when its christological significance was seen." That being the case, we may suggest that the NT writers did NOT observe any christological significance in the virgin birth per se - any more than they did in any of Jesus' other miracles collectively. Hence, there was no need to go out of their way to report it, and we may agree that all we can therefore say about the silence of the rest of the NT is that the virgin birth was simply "not a ground on which (the evangelists) called others to faith."

Hahaha, total rubbish !!!

So if it was not seen to be significant then, why is it significant now and why would such a major doctrine be formed from an insignifant event ?







Other Questions :

1. Who was the Father of Jesus, Holy Spirit or God the Father ?
2. Was Jesus an adopted Son to Joseph or a real blood Son ?
3. Show me in the entire old testament where mention is made of a virgin birth apart from Isaiah 7.
4. Why would a prophecy be made to a King about a specific event and be fulfilled in Isaiah 8 only to be again fulfilled hundreds of years later in a totally unrelated event.
5. If Mary thought Jesus was God and that there was a virgin birth, why did she ponder his words in her heart not knowing his mission on earth, why did his brethren not talk about it.
6. Why are the 2 biographies in Matthew and Luke contradictory.


Oya, over to you.

An2elect2:
I've always suspected that the OP may not be a Christian after all. And here he is confirming it gradually.

And you are right, I am a follower of Yeshua not your Jesus.

frosbel:


And you are right, I am a follower of Yeshua not your Jesus.

Obviously you are following satan who has plunged you into an un-ending deceit. Your case is so pathetic. Only God can deliver you.

Frosbel, you still have my number? Please call me now if you can.

honourhim:

Obviously you are following satan who has plunged you into an un-ending deceit. Your case is so pathetic. Only God can deliver you.

"They will put you out of the pagan churches synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God." - John 16:2

Goshen360:
Frosbel, you still have my number? Please call me now if you can.

Hi Bro, can we make it tomorrow same time ?

frosbel:


Hi Bro, can we make it tomorrow same time ?

Okay.

frosbel:


And you are right, I am a follower of Yeshua not your Jesus.

You need to be prayed for. True that we don't follow the same Christ cos the Christ i know is God.

frosbel:

Hmm, you lost me here. Which part of "make pregnant; fertilize" do you not understand, lol.

Let's see what fertilization means :

" Human fertilization is the union of a human egg and sperm, usually occurring in the ampulla of the uterine tube. The result of this union is the production of a zygote, or fertilized egg, initiating prenatal development. Scientists discovered the dynamics of human fertilization in the nineteenth century" - Wikipedia

Duh !!!!

You have acted very silly again..This I'd say is
Hypocrisy at it's peak.The bolded words has once
again' exposed your red herring. Fertilize(ation) and
Human fertilization, do they mean the same thin'. This games ya'll play by creatin' locution so you can turn the arumegnt in your favour does not work here.

Now , how does your god impregnate Mary since he does not produce sperm ?? You mean your god went against his laws for procreation and fertilised the egg with what ?? SMH @ Ignorance.

It's just as I've said previously, if you believe in the
existence of God, you'd believe God is Omnipotent and
such a thin' is not hard for God to do. Plus since your
assertion above has been flawed, this also is flawed.
You can refer to my previous posts, and if you still
want to further question the authority of God, I'd suggest you go read Isiah Ch 45 vs 11; God had
rebuttaled you long ago before you we're birthed
"Thus says the Lord, the Holy One of Israel and his
Maker: 'Will you question me about my children, or
command me concerning the work of my hand?'
" (RSV)

frosbel:

Man reproduces through the creative decree of God and if God wanted to bring a Son into the world why did he not just create him instead of having to defy the laws of nature . I find it very interesting that someone can claim to be intelligent and believe in this myth.

Are you for real? I'm sure other atheist 'lld be knockin' their head on their keyboard readin' this, wondering what planet you're from.
The bolded shows you're quite stupid to say the least.
Who created the law of nature is the question? Is God controlled by the laws of nature? Is God answerable to you or nature? I look forward to the day you begin' to use your brains, and honestly I'd consider you sue your brains for non-support.

No need to get emotional

Oh! Really. Normally I should weep for you, but I can't spare the fluid

frosbel:


Correction, Isaiah 6 does not talk about the virgin birth.

What rung of the stairs are you on again?

frosbel:

Problem oriented letters ?? . Is this one of the buzz words you invented to confuse your students ?

If you're havin' problems understandin' the statement "Problem Oriented letters", there's the search engine google to the rescue. And no my students understand the words perfectly, they have sound cognitive and deductive skills. Your teachers on the other hand only God knows.

I put it to you that your case is weak, flawed and untenable in the light of overwhelming evidence. If as you and your cohorts say , that one cannot be saved if he/she does not believe in the virgin birth , it has to be in the bible somewhere, no ? You cannot form a major doctrine that is not supported by the main apostles of Christ.

I don laugh tire at the bolded statement. Where did I and my cohorts (Who be the cohorts self) say that one cannot be saved if an unbeliever does not believe in the virgin birth?
This is the effect of this polytechnic institutions ya'll attend. You copied an article and you did not even care to read and edit it's content to suit your purpose, rather you'd copy and paste it as it is; showin' further that you're stupid and lack proper reasoning

frosbel:



"They will put you out of the pagan churches synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God." - John 16:2

Yea just as you are killing the word of God, trying to destroy its truth in the hearts of people and thinking you are doing a great service to God.

Goshen360:


Frosbel, you still have my number? Please call me now if you can.

Birds of the same feather.

honourhim:


Yea just as you are killing the word of God, trying to destroy its truth in the hearts of people and thinking you are doing a great service to God.

Destroy the hearts of people ? By straightening out the true tenets of our faith you call that doing a bad service ?

You have been brainwashed for so many years and the herd mentality has locked you in a box of ignorance.

It is your pastors and MOG who are thieves and robbers, destroying and devastating the sheep of God through sexual perversion, fraud and outright lies.

Repent from man worship brother and your eyes will be opened to the truth..

frosbel:


And then you go on to say it was assumed , what !!!!! What about the future believers who would come after, how could they believe in this 'truth' if there was no substantial evidence in scripture , except for a falsely interpreted scripture in Isaiah7 and 2 contradictory biographies in Matthew and Luke. Who are you kidding.


Think, Think and Think with your brain.

For your mind now you go dey feel like one don. You even copy their precept join. Wetin' nor even concern the argument. You are a dumb young man.
I'd rebuttal the argument nevertheless

You're claiming (opps sorry!!! The author you copied the article from claimed) only Matthew and Luke mention it (even though, some early manuscripts of Luke implied that the virgin birth is an interpolation into the gospel, Matthew never really mentions a miraculous conception, only a providential one). But this doesn't bother you since you dont regard the word of God and since you simply takes for granted/condescend a united "early church" which we can safely assumed all to have believed the same things. Thus if Luke mentions it, Jude must have believed it, too. This is merely a reflection of the fundamentalist dogma of the harmony of scripture.

OLAADEGBU:


What rung of the stairs are you on again?

A lot of your beliefs are Pagan myths which you hold as idols of worship.

That is why you guys never win any true converts , what you have is mostly hypocrites and holier than thou people following and almost worshipping one man called Kumuiyi.

Stop letting Kumuyi think for you, starting dusting the cobwebs off your brain and THINK , REASON and APPLY TRUTHS.

frosbel:


A lot of your beliefs are Pagan myths which you hold as idols of worship.

That is why you guys never win any true converts , what you have is mostly hypocrites and holier than thou people following and almost worshipping one man called Kumuiyi.

Stop letting Kumuyi think for you, starting dusting the cobwebs off your brain and THINK , REASON and APPLY TRUTHS.

You are surely following in the footsteps of your mentor, Rob Bell. A case of the blind leading the blind.

https://www.nairaland.com/2029590/fake-preacher-rob-bell-questioned

[quote author=IanDiamonds post=28857190]

If you're havin' problems understandin' the statement "Problem Oriented letters", there's the search engine google to the rescue. And no my students understand the words perfectly, they have sound cognitive and deductive skills. Your teachers on the other hand only God knows.

What students , students of what ? and who is their teacher, I hope not you, lol.

Paul's letters and epistles were written and recorded closer to the time of Jesus than Matthew and Luke. Does it not shock you that Paul did not mention one of the most important tenets of our faith ?? You try to sweep this under the carpet while stifling debate and expect people to just agree with your gross illogic for the sake of orthodox harmony. I say nay, Paul, Peter, James, Thomas etc never once mentioned a virgin birth because it is a LIE and a concept concocted very much later by so called 'church' fathers.

I don laugh tire at the bolded statement. Where did I and my cohorts (Who be the cohorts self) say that one cannot be saved if an unbeliever does not believe in the virgin birth?

Okay, I don't believe in the virgin birth but I believe in Yeshua. Do you consider me saved ?

This is the effect of this polytechnic institutions ya'll attend. You copied an article and you did not even care to read and edit it's content to suit your purpose, rather you'd copy and paste it as it is; showin' further that you're stupid and lack proper reasoning

Look at this dunce , , what are you talking about.

frosbel:


A lot of your beliefs are Pagan myths which you hold as idols of worship.

That is why you guys never win any true converts , what you have is mostly hypocrites and holier than thou people following and almost worshipping one man called Kumuiyi.

Stop letting Kumuyi think for you, starting dusting the cobwebs off your brain and THINK , REASON and APPLY TRUTHS.

how was jesus born? Can you narrate it?

IanDiamonds:

But this doesn't bother you since you dont regard the word of God and since you simply takes for granted/condescend a united "early church" which we can safely assumed all to have believed the same things. Thus if Luke mentions it, Jude must have believed it, too. This is merely a reflection of the fundamentalist dogma of the harmony of scripture.

So the early church believed the same thing and yet , none of the greatest apostles Paul did not deem it fit to be reemphazise this core doctrine for the future churches ? It was good for the early church but not good for the later church, right ?

I asked you a few questions but you either were dumbfounded with no answers or dishonest and dogmatic in your belief of myths.

Now, help me answer these questions again :

1. Who was the Father of Jesus, Holy Spirit or God the Father ?
2. Was Jesus an adopted Son to Joseph or a real blood Son ?
3. Show me in the entire old testament where mention is made of a virgin birth apart from Isaiah 7.
4. Why would a prophecy be made to a King about a specific event and be fulfilled in Isaiah 8 only to be again fulfilled hundreds of years later in a totally unrelated event.
5. If Mary thought Jesus was God and that there was a virgin birth, why did she ponder his words in her heart not knowing his mission on earth, why did his brethren not talk about it.
6. Why are the 2 biographies in Matthew and Luke contradictory.

frosbel:

Hahaha, total rubbish !!!
So if it was not seen to be significant then, why is it significant now and why would such a major doctrine be formed from an insignifant event ?

I take back my words, you're not stupid; definately not stupid. You are possessed by retarded Ghosts.
You lack everythin' it takes to comprehend simple basic statements. I can't phantom in my wildest phantasmagoria how you could end up tis' empty.
You're level of cluelessness is sky high.

Other Questions :

1. Who was the Father of Jesus, Holy Spirit or God the Father ?
2. Was Jesus an adopted Son to Joseph or a real blood Son ?
3. Show me in the entire old testament where mention is made of a virgin birth apart from Isaiah 7.
4. Why would a prophecy be made to a King about a specific event and be fulfilled in Isaiah 8 only to be again fulfilled hundreds of years later in a totally unrelated event.
5. If Mary thought Jesus was God and that there was a virgin birth, why did she ponder his words in her heart not knowing his mission on earth, why did his brethren not talk about it.
6. Why are the 2 biographies in Matthew and Luke contradictory.


Oya, over to you.

Oh! You've seen your argument holds no water, so you've opted for the straw man's fallacy. Two can play tis' game you know..

frosbel:


Destroy the hearts of people ? By straightening out the true tenets of our faith you call that doing a bad service ?

Even Satan claimed he was doing a good job when he was deceiving man in the garden of Eden. I'm not surprised at the similarities both of you share. Birds of the same feather.

honourhim:


Even Satan claimed he was doing a good job when he was deceiving man in the garden of Eden. I'm not surprised at the similarities both of you share. Birds of the same feather.

You will be surprised that you and your churches with the infallible MOGs have more in common with SATAN than small people like me who are fighting against a whorish church that has betrayed it's saviour. Do you think God will bless a church that preaches fraud every sunday, steals from their members and preaches heretical doctrine of devils ??

I think not.

OLAADEGBU:

What rung of the stairs are you on again?

frosbel:


A lot of your beliefs are Pagan myths which you hold as idols of worship.

That is why you guys never win any true converts , what you have is mostly hypocrites and holier than thou people following and almost worshipping one man called Kumuiyi.

Stop letting Kumuyi think for you, starting dusting the cobwebs off your brain and THINK , REASON and APPLY TRUTHS.

When you started this your journey with satan a long time ago, Ola posted these steps and told you thats how you will keep going down but you dismissed him. Now you have gone through the steps as he said and here he has brought it to remind you. You should even be ashamed of talking to him because when he first posted those steps you had not taken them. Today what he said a long time ago has come to pass. Do hide your face in shame. The records are there.

honourhim:


When you started this your journey with satan a long time ago, Ola posted these steps and told you thats how you will keep going down but you dismissed him. Now you have gone through the steps as he said and here he has brought it to remind you. You should even be ashamed of talking to him because when he first posted those steps you had not taken them. Today what he said a long time ago has come to pass. Do hide your face in shame. The records are there.

Why should I be ashamed to use my brain and think for myself. Tell me, why must I agree with you and your doctrines, na by force ?

If I tell you that you are not part of the true church of Christ you will hate me, but this is the truth. You are a member of mystery babylon that has bastardised the faith and turned it into fables, myths and a haven for crooks and fraudsters.

To follow Jesus, you must come out of her and start THINKING, which means use your brain.

I am surprised that you are not commending me for doing the same thing that the Bereans did, which is ;

"Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true." - Acts 17:11

Or did you forget what Paul said here ;

"But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron" - 1 Timothy 4:1-2

Or did you forget what Paul said here ;

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths. " - 2 Timothy 4:4

honourhim:


When you started this your journey with satan a long time ago, Ola posted these steps and told you thats how you will keep going down but you dismissed him. Now you have gone through the steps as he said and here he has brought it to remind you. You should even be ashamed of talking to him because when he first posted those steps you had not taken them. Today what he said a long time ago has come to pass. Do hide your face in shame. The records are there.

Thanks for bringing this to his remembrance. He has probably forgotten. I just hope and pray that he smells the coffee before it becomes too late.

frosbel:


You will be surprised that you and your churches with the infallible MOGs have more in common with SATAN than small people like me who are fighting against a whorish church that has betrayed it's saviour. Do you think God will bless a church that preaches fraud every sunday, steals from their members and preaches heretical doctrine of devils ??

I think not.

Do you even know God? Is it not a height of foolishness for one who does not believe that God can cause a virgin birth to believe that that same God could raise Jesus from the dead?

That the same God could create such a complex world?

That the same God will cause the dead to rise from their graves on the last day?

Is it not a height of foolishness for you to believe the bible at all with all the miracles and mysteries recorded in it which are beyond human understanding with such a claim on virgin birth? Honestly you are a pathetic case.

If those MOG's you mentioned are agents of satan then obviously you are the chief priest of satan.

honourhim:


Do you even know God? Is it not a height of foolishness for one who does not believe that God can cause a virgin birth to believe that that same God could raise Jesus from the dead?

That the same God could create such a complex world?

That the same God will cause the dead to rise from their graves on the last day?

Is it not a height of foolishness for you to believe the bible at all with all the miracles and mysteries recorded in it which are beyond human understanding with such a claim on virgin birth? Honestly you are a pathetic case.

If those MOG's you mentioned are agents of satan then obviously you are the chief priest of satan.

So your faith in the virgin birth is based on emotion not fact ?

When you start to reason , then we can talk.

frosbel:




Why should I be ashamed to use my brain and think for myself. Tell me, why must I agree with you and your doctrines, na by force ?

If I tell you that you are not part of the true church of Christ you will hate me, but this is the truth. You are a member of mystery babylon that has bastardised the faith and turned it into fables, myths and a haven for crooks and fraudsters.

To follow Jesus, you must come out of her and start THINKING, which means use your brain.

I am surprised that you are not commending me for doing the same thing that the Bereans did, which is ;

"Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true." - Acts 17:11

Or did you forget what Paul said here ;

"But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron" - 1 Timothy 4:1-2

Or did you forget what Paul said here ;

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths. " - 2 Timothy 4:4

I thought you were wise but behold your foolishness stinks to the high heaven. If you were reasonable you shouldnt even be quoting bible. A book you dont know those who wrote it.

A book that tells you that there is a God living in heaven beyond the sky when you ve not seen that God.

A book that tells you of great miracles performed by God through his son Jesus Christ and through his people.

If you dont believe the virgin birth and believe in a God you ve not seen, and believe the bible at all then that makes you look so so foolish. Stop fooling yourself bro. Stop playing the middle game( standing in between christianity and atheism). It makes a mockery of you..

frosbel:


So your faith in the virgin birth is based on emotion not fact ?

When you start to reason , then we can talk.

So your faith in the existence of God is based on emotion? Your faith in the resurrection of Jesus and of the dead on the last day are based on emotion? your faith in the many miracles in the bible is based on emotion? Be reasonable young man and stop messing yourself up here.

^^^^


I can't help you Pal, it's difficult to de-brainwash religious fanatics, you just need to stop trusting in man and read the bible for yourself to check if what your MOG is parroting every Sunday is true.

Alas, you won't , you are too fearful to embark on this journey to quest for TRUTH.