Elantracey:


Na am not , I don't believe in purgatory and am yet to understand it , having had time to read on it tho but I'll do that soonest .

hmmm...interesting. You see what am saying? You don't believe in that teaching,simply because you weren't thought and raised in a catholic home. Even if you read on it,that wouldn't change a thing.

Nobleval: hmmm...interesting. You see what am saying? You don't believe in that teaching,simply because you weren't thought and raised in a catholic home. Even if you read on it,that wouldn't change a thing.

My mum used to be a die hard Catholic and I was too for some part of my life , I believe in knowledge , if after studying on it I find out its real by the leading of the holy spirit off course , I'll believe it.

Elantracey:

My mum used to be a die hard Catholic and I was too for some part of my life , I believe in knowledge , if after studying on it I find out its real by the leading of the holy spirit off course , I'll believe it.

So what prompted you to leave the Church? You disagreed with some of their teachings,beliefs or...?

Nobleval: So what prompted you to leave the Church? You disagreed with some of their teachings,beliefs or...?

Like I said my mum was a Catholic all her life before she got married to my dad who is a Protestant and had to change . As I was growing up there were things in my dad's church ( which i wouldn't like to mention ) that I wasn't comfortable with and as a child I always had this desire to want to God, so I decided to join Catholic in my junior secondary school (boarding school) because of the way my mum painted Catholic to us , but after being baptised and all I wasn't still satisfied and along the line I was comfortable with the fact that I was free to commit sin and latter cone back to confess and take holy Communion and everything will be OK (I didn't know why I thought like that sha) and having to pray to Mary and always asking saints that must be enjoying themselves and we are not even totally sure are in heaven to pray for me when I could do that myself amidst others then finally I stopped going church when I gained admission till God found me at the nick of time

Elantracey:

Like I said my mum was a Catholic all her life before she got married to my dad who is a Protestant and had to change . As I was growing up there were things in my dad's church ( which i wouldn't like to mention ) that I wasn't comfortable with and as a child I always had this desire to want to God, so I decided to join Catholic in my junior secondary school (boarding school) because of the way my mum painted Catholic to us , but after being baptised and all I wasn't still satisfied and along the line I was comfortable with the fact that I was free to commit sin and latter cone back to confess and take holy Communion and everything will be OK (I didn't know why I thought like that sha) and having to pray to Mary and always asking saints that must be enjoying themselves and we are not even totally sure are in heaven to pray for me when I could do that myself amidst others then finally I stopped going church when I gained admission till God found me at the nick of time

spoken like a true Protestant. Well Val 'll not argue with, you as I don't take interest in all that anyway. But these are things you don't understand and you shouldn't portray them in bad limelight. There are some practices which a catholic will find absurd in your religious life. You feel/felt that you've find peace and tranquillity in your present church....and that's all that matter.

Nobleval: spoken like a true Protestant. Well Val 'll not argue with, you as I don't take interest in all that anyway. But these are things you don't understand and you shouldn't portray them in bad limelight. There are some practices which a catholic will find absurd in your religious life. You feel/felt that you've find peace and tranquillity in your present church....and that's all that matter.

yea , I don't like arguments too but can you explain them for me?

Elantracey:

yea , I don't like arguments too but can you explain them for me?

explain what? I thought you're planning to read more about them.

HFOG: Hmm...deep questions. For me I think I have no regrets living as a Christian. Aside the heaven matter, I've profited alot from righteous living here on earth. It's kept me from lots of complications. It's made my life a simple, free and full one. No guilt over the past. Nothing to hide. No fear. Answers to prayers. Divine healing and health. Prosperity, peace and progress. Etc etc.
However, if there is no heaven the greatest thing I'll miss is that I'll not stay with the God who loves me so. The One beside whom I have no other. The Greatest, Highest and 'Bestest'. It means that when we die that's all. That's a hopeless end I'll say and that's what makes all the difference between believers and non-believers. Where we read as a family this morning (I Peter 1) talks about an incorruptible inheritance kept for us in heaven. Paul says it well that if in this life only we have hope we are of all men most miserable. I'll just take God at His Word and believe He has reserved for me all He says He has. Thinking any less of that already cripples the foundation upon which my faith stands. Without faith it is impossible to please God. For he that must come to Him must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of them that deligently seek Him. May the Lord keep us standing till the end.

I will have lived a morally upright time following his teachings hurting no one. I will have been one of the finest people who lived in this world, I will have no regrets.

Nobleval: explain what? I thought you're planning to read more about them.

I only talked about purgatory na

Elantracey:

I only talked about purgatory na

then read about the others too.

Nobleval: Oh my goodness!...man you need to take it easy!According to some
estimates, there are
roughly 4,200 religions in the world. "If No hell, wat is satan
decieving for?
If no Hell where will sons
of satan like
hitler,stalin,abacha,saddam
hussein, osama bin laden b chillin at?" you say what? Just because you're a christian-a religion that fortunately has a lot of followers- doesn't make the concept of hell or heaven real. The concept of life after death remains a mystery to us. I don't bother myself with them. What happens to the followers of the 4200+ religion? For all we know,they have their own teaching and beliefs concerning life after death. My question for Elantracey is this: if hell or heaven is real,where will muslims and the followers of other religion go?
what happens to the billions that never heard of christ?

where will they go?
Are u askg me or God?
All whose names aint the Book of Life will wish they were never born.
4k or 400k+ religions notwithstanding.
Who dyu think is behind the religious proliferations?
Satan is sweeping devout souls to hell thru religion.
Whatabout christianity?
The bible is clear:
Jesus said, I AM the way ... No Man
(president,bishop,imam,young,rich,poor etc No man) Cometh to the Father but by (or through) me.

God will work to make sure everybody hears the gospel, then, the choice is left to them.

Elantracey:


so you're trying to say that right now Jesus is not our God and he doesn't walk in our midst?

i am not tryg to say.. I have made my points. So deduce properly from my points made.
And stop summarising narrowly.

alentyno:
Telling you 'not to commit murder is wrong' is deceit?

Telling me I'll go to hell for committing murder is deceit.

alentyno:
What goodies? sleeping with hundreds of ladies?, piping cannabis?, what goodies? Smh

Lol, we obviously dont have the same definition of goody. I was almost forgetting that.

Elantracey:


Never , I cannot be scared of going to hell , Christianity is not about fear because he hasn't given us the spirit of fear but of love and of power and a sound mind , its only those living a double life that will be scared of going to hell.


Depriving myself of which goodies ? I enjoy my life everyday , do you know what it actually is to live a life full of peace and rest of mind in a harsh world ?

Anyway, it's a good thing if you aren't scared of hell and by implication, I guess you don't fantasize about heaven.

Elantracey:


No it isn't , its a way of life , as par your signature you're correct in the first part , the Bible is not the word of God , it only contains the word of God.

What is religion?

asalimpo:

where will they go?
Are u askg me or God?
All whose names aint the Book of Life will wish they were never born.
4k or 400k+ religions notwithstanding.
Who dyu think is behind the religious proliferations?
Satan is sweeping devout souls to hell thru religion.
Whatabout christianity?
The bible is clear:
Jesus said, I AM the way ... No Man
(president,bishop,imam,young,rich,poor etc No man) Cometh to the Father but by (or through) me.

God will work to make sure everybody hears the gospel, then, the choice is left to them.

your point? it seems you quoted me without reading meaning into what I wrote.

rationalmind:

Telling me I'll go to hell for committing murder is deceit.

Oh no *smh* may God open your eyes. You need Jesus. So you think human life is as simple as 1+1? You think you can commit murder and just rot away when you die?. stop blinding yourself to the possibilities of what you cannot see.......... Life is deep! Not just because I was told but because I chose to look around my environ ask myself simple questions! That is the same thing religion have been trying to do and yes maybe somewhere along the line mistakes were made but that doesn't me that since the 'messenger' couldn't perfectly convey the creator's 'message' means that the creator is non-existent. Thread wisely. The devil is trying to make you think that people chose to be christians just because of fear or intellectual laziness but the truth still remains that they are still those who have seen it all and can't help but to come to the coNclusion that GOD INDEED EXISTS!

THE IMMINENT RAPTURE, BE WARNED!
Do you care for the Rapture? How often do you think
about the Rapture? Or rather, are you prepared for the
Rapture? Better still, do you have clear understanding
of what Rapture is all about? It’s unpopular topic in
churches today, and so many Christians care less
about it because it’s not as sweet and motivating as
prosperity, breakthrough, new things, favors, blessings
and earthly success.
But Rapture is a daily expectation and thought for the
wise Christians while prosperity and earthly blessings
are the focus for the foolish Christians. Rapture is the
catching away of the saints, which will happen within
seconds and any moment from now. It’s the first event
of the end time advents when the angels of God will
blow the trumpets, only Christians who are waiting for
it, expecting it and preparing for it will make it. DELAYING IS COSTLY.... THE NEXT HOUR MIGHT JUST BE TOO LATE!!! SAVE YOUR SOUL NOW!!!

rationalmind:

Does that imply you're not scared of going to hell? The thoughts of that fire that burns with brimstone doesn't scare you?

You're not scared of eventually going to hell after depriving yourself of life goodies?

There is no pain outside the flesh.

alentyno:
Oh no *smh* may God open your eyes. You need Jesus. So you think human life is as simple as 1+1? You think you can commit murder and just rot away when you die?. stop blinding yourself to the possibilities of what you cannot see.......... Life is deep! Not just because I was told but because I chose to look around my environ ask myself simple questions! That is the same thing religion have been trying to do and yes maybe somewhere along the line mistakes were made but that doesn't me that since the 'messenger' couldn't perfectly convey the creator's 'message' means that the creator is non-existent. Thread wisely. The devil is trying to make you think that people chose to be christians just because of fear or intellectual laziness but the truth still remains that they are still those who have seen it all and can't help but to come to the coNclusion that GOD INDEED EXISTS!

Lol, I have seen it all and I can't help but come to the conclusion that Allah exists and he'll roast you in hell for not believing in his messenger, Mohammed.

You know, I find it funny you're quick to preach to me murder is wrong and whoever murders will not escape it but suffer in the hereafter.

I guess it's been a long time you read your bible. Your God is the chief murderer who should suffer most in hell- if truly there is one. Oh wait, he can get away it but others can't? You guys are jokers

Nobleval: your point? it seems you quoted me without reading meaning into what I wrote.

your point i addressed. Mayb u want an answer to ur liking.
But the bible blatantly answers ur question too. It's neither complex nor flattering.
Where will the devoutees of other religions go to?
Or mayb ur sayng (not askg a question) tht heaven/hell/afterlife is a concept invented by each religious movement.
This is humanitarian psychological defense technique to contain a grim prospect.
Which is really grim.
Biblically speaking.

FrancisTony:
What of, after being righteous on this earth, and when you die as a muslim, they tell you it's christianity that is real. Will you go to hell fire?

After as a Christian and they you it's Islam that's the best. Will you go to hell fire?


I am confused.

Don't be confused; In the begining was the word and the word was with God and the word was God (Jn 1:1), All scriptures are inspiration from God........ 2Tim 3:16, Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life, no one cometh to the father unless thru me(Jesus).

The word of God can never lie and anything from the bible are inspiration from God so don't doubt any word from it. All you need do is obey and be safe.

If you die as a righteous muslim but does not believe in the true son of God (Jesus) then such person await condemnation. I am not judging but saying wht the bible says.

Jesus says; no one goeth to the father unless thru Him. So even as a christian and you are not born again you will be condemn after judgment. That's why the prophet said I set before you life and death, choose life that yeah might live.

The choice is all ours to make.

But for the topic @Op; God does not have "IF" in his word. Don't belittle your faith because with it you can't please God.

Church leaders will refuse to believe him.

...does he want to spoil everything?

Elantracey:
Now am prompted to ask [size=14pt]peradventure Jesus came down from heaven[/size] today and says there's no heaven or hell that this life is all there is, what will be your reaction and will you still remain a Christian?

So if Jesus Himself came down from heaven, why will He say there's nothing like the PLACE THAT HE CAME FROM?
Does it even make sense?

It's like I told you that I came from Lagos but there's no Lagos...

Elantracey:

On my way back I began to wonder what really is Christianity , biblically what's its aim and purpose ? is it just to die one day and go to heaven or its something more than that.

That's what religion will tell you, i.e we die and go to heaven or hell. This stance is more or less gibberish.

The hope we have in my opinion and from deciphering the meanings of various scriptural texts is a rejuvenated earth where evil is defeated and exterminated, where peace will finally reign forever, where wars will cease and death abolished etc etc.

No one is going to heaven, it is religious nonsense and of course Hell does not exist except in the pages of PAGAN antiquated documents.

Now am prompted to ask peradventure Jesus came down from heaven today and says there's no heaven or hell that this life is all there is, what will be your reaction and will you still remain a Christian ?

The problem is Jesus never said there was HELL ( in the context of popular church opinion ) or Heaven, he ONLY preached the gospel of the kingdom which is the good news of hope for the present and previous suffering and distress of mankind.

Or, can you imagine floating in the skies with harps and singing alleluia for eternity...you call that happiness

.

malikmoreni:
I'll just get a gun and start sh00ting people who've offended me before

The mods need to log your IP address so that we can keep an eye on you.

Emusan:


So if Jesus Himself came down from heaven, why will He say there's nothing like the PLACE THAT HE CAME FROM?
Does it even make sense?

It's like I told you that I came from Lagos but there's no Lagos...

I understand what you're saying and I totally believe without a single doubt that heaven is real , I asked that question for a purpose so but a blind eye to all the impossibilities and just answer.

What if Jesus appeared from under the soil and not the sky? Would you embrace him or run for your lives?

frosbel:


That's what religion will tell you, i.e we die and go to heaven or hell. This stance is more or less gibberish.

The hope we have in my opinion and from deciphering the meanings of various scriptural texts is a rejuvenated earth where evil is defeated and exterminated, where peace will finally reign forever, where wars will cease and death abolished etc etc.

No one is going to heaven, it is religious nonsense and of course Hell does not exist except in the pages of PAGAN antiquated documents.




The problem is Jesus never said there was HELL ( in the context of popular church opinion ) or Heaven, he ONLY preached the gospel of the kingdom which is the good news of hope for the present and previous suffering and distress of mankind.

Or, can you imagine floating in the skies with harps and singing alleluia for eternity...you call that happiness

Lmao , seriously you need some medical attention the too much books you've read is beginning to affect you, I've always killed the urge to exchange words with you in this section and this time I'll do it again.

Elantracey:

Lmao , seriously you need some medical attention the too much books you've read is beginning to affect you, I've always killed the urge to exchange words with you in this section and this time I'll do it again.

sorry, the bolded makes no sense........

I am quite certain that your opinion or time has not been solicited by me on any article until now, it's a free world you know.