Obiagelli:
Hello!! Please give us results, not what he supposedly did

emiye:
You demonise the opposition about the FOI, and i exposed your fraudulent attempt, by stating the opposition has been the vanguard of the FOI.
Please, tell me PDP states that have domesticate FOI.
You love to spin tales and demonise the opposition, there is a log in your eye, you are talking of the speck in the eye of the APC. Is that not shameful?

jayonpoint:

U did voodoo research n paste here, to u it won any insane taxi driver who doesn't no wat he want over. Now, holatin pasted his, it wsnt evident enuf n there u deviated (fallacy) to jump on fashola. Haba! Must u add pple to u family listsof fools? Btw who certified ur nonsense u wrote up there in trying to justify ur joblessness? Idiat!
Gimme Buhari/Osinbajo joor!

Zikkyy:

Both strategies work together to ensure stealing is reduced to a tolerable minimum. Your prevention strategy is very much weakened in the absence of a prosecution strategy. Lack of prosecution is an incentive for more people to steal.

Zikkyy:

prosecution is not a short term strategy, it is a permanent strategy! No prevention strategy can provide 100% assurance that fraud/stealing will not occur. Corrupt people must go to jail to discourage others.
Who told you there are no systems/structures in place even before GEJ? The reason there is so much stealing is not because systems/ structures are not in place. Systems and structures on it's own will not stop corruption without cooperation of the people running these systems.

Matthewbriggs:


One thing I would never do, Is try to absolve GEJ or any politician of a corruption accusation ... God forbid. I would rather condemn corruption than defend it.

The main focus of this thread is not whether GEJ or his wife is corrupt ... One of the main themes of my thread is how effective have GEJ been in fighting corruption despite his short comings. I shared with you my takes on the strategy used by both candidates on this thread. You as the reader should come to your own personal conclusion on who was the most effective.

More you did not answer all my questions... Holatin I asked you a question. Have you ever asked Fashola why he is refusing to domesticate the FOI bill. ?

Have you asked Fashola what he is doing to fight corruption. ?

Has APC as a party told you how they have been able to fight corruption in their states. ?

Why have you failed to address the points I raised about Buhari in my post. I am looking forward to hear your convictions.

Do you think Buhari is right by stating Abacha is not corrupt. ?

Your answers would influence my continued discussion with you.

Matthewbriggs:


I am not pro PDP, because I believe PDP as a party is same as APC. with the high level defection from both camps it is right to say they are both made up of similar people.

I have different approach toward politics. I do not support parties I support candidates. GEJ is my candidate (PDP), Rochas of Owerri is my candidate(APC) , Fashola of lagos state is my man (APC) , Akpabio of Akwaibom is my man (PDP), Willie Obiano of Anambara is my man (APGA) etc.

I am not spinning tales to demonize the opposition but I am asking valid question ... presenting my convictions.

The reason I am addressing APC states as a party is because APC is against my Candidate. For me it is GEJ against APC, not PDP against APC.
GEJ has implemented this bill what has APC states done to domesticate it in their states.

Matthewbriggs:
Space for any rejoinders.

Zikkyy:

So when you detect corrupt activities, what happens? do you give the fraudulent employee a raise/bonus or you ensure he is sent to jail to discourage others?
Note that electronic payment or use of technology does not eliminate corrupt practices, it only provide a digital version of the manual controls currently in place. It also transfer the opportunity for fraud/stealing from one set/group of people to another. Why do you think banks with all their investment in technology still employ auditors, compliance officers, investigators e.t.c to check activities and still maintain a zero tolerance for fraudulent practices?

holatin:
you said he is fighting corruption and I asked how he fought some, so I can show you how he has nt fought corruption at all.
concerning the law, na my property, signed or not.

but I still want answers to that so I can show you how corruption has sore more high in GEJ regime

Matthewbriggs:


Yes both strategies work hand in hand. My statement does not state that GEJ never pursed prosecution. Infact the EFFCC have prosecuted around 427 case of corruption in 3 years.
All I basically brought light was that GEJ's strategy was more Prevention focused than Prosecution. and that of buhari was more prosecution focused instead of prevention.

Matthewbriggs:


If I were to chose One strategy over the other. I would chose prevention over prosecution.

Matthewbriggs:


Moreover if you read the summary of my post I highlighted the fact that to defeat corruption going forward he needs a robust strategy.

Matthewbriggs:


Holatin

Did I in any where state GEJ so far has done a perfect job fighting corruption. Read the second paragraph in my second post on this thread.

What I did is show you is how has fought corruption and my suggestions for him going forwards.

Moreover I keep wondering why you are refusing to answer my questions. I raised valid points and questions which you are yet to answer.

WHY? ... I am waiting for you responses please stop dodging my questions.

holatin:
re you talking about the foi bill

Matthewbriggs:


Holatin I asked you a question. Have you ever asked Fashola why he is refusing to domesticate the FOI bill. ?

Have you asked Fashola what he is doing to fight corruption. ?

Has APC as a party told you how they have been able to fight corruption in their states. ?

Why have you failed to address the points I raised about Buhari in my post. I am looking forward to hear your convictions.

Do you think Buhari is right by stating Abacha is not corrupt. ?

Your answers would influence my continued discussion with you.

Matthewbriggs:

Leme rephrase my statement Prosecution is a strategy that yields short term results, but in the long run will prove to be ineffective.

Matthewbriggs:


Murderer going to jail has it stop people from killing, Thieve been thrown in prison has it stopped people from stealing. Terrorist been killed in battle has it stop people from becoming terrorist. NO.

Matthewbriggs:


Yes Systems to tackle corruption alone would not stop corrupttion but it is way more effective than prosecution. Surveillance systems put in banks to monitor bank cashers from stealing banks money is more effective than sending cashiers who steal to prison.

Matthewbriggs:


Holatin

Did I in any where state GEJ so far has done a perfect job fighting corruption. Read the second paragraph in my second post on this thread.

What I did is show you is how has fought corruption and my suggestions for him going forwards.

Moreover I keep wondering why you are refusing to answer my questions. I raised valid points and questions which you are yet to answer.

WHY? ... I am waiting for you responses please stop dodging my questions.

Matthewbriggs:


Detecting in the first place makes it easier for you to prosecute and take appropriate action. You cant prosecute what you can't see.

Matthewbriggs:


The 60,000 ghost workers are a good case study. If GEJ was heavily on prosecution like Buhari. Our prisons would have 60,000 more people added in one swoop.

Matthewbriggs:


These people are someones father

Matthewbriggs:


The difference between the manual and electronic version is that ... the electronic version leaves trails .... now you can easily trace how funds were moved.

Matthewbriggs:


Given the current complexity and cost of prosecuting corrupt people using the legal process, it is more effective and efficient to prevent them from engaging in corrupt act in the first place by setting up systems that makes it harder.

Matthewbriggs:


Moreover once these systems are set those that crack the system and carry out crime should be prosecuted

Flets:
Six REASONS TO VOTE GEJ
1) Consolidate on the agricultural policy - If all we can achieve in the next 4 years is feed ourselves alone without significant import, it would be equivalent to 31 trillion naira per annum assuming 500 naira per day for 170 million Nigerians for 365 days. That is a massive market with mighty potentials for wealth to average Nigerians and significant employment.

Flets:

2) Sustain the automobile policies - With five car assembly plants nearing completion as at Dec 2014 and another 10 targeting completion by Dec 2015. We can commence and sustain car assembly. By 2017, the car manufacturers will commence manufacturing of the spare parts in-country. and with the re-invigoration within the power sector and ajaokuta steel plant, this industry will be the soul of manufacturing in the whole of Africa. Nigeria will become a car export country for the region in the next 5 to 6 years

Flets:

3) Ensure continuity on power roadmap en-route constant power - Nigeria is few years to constant power, with lots of power plants nearing completion already, the ongoing gas assembly plant in Delta state, the ongoing investment by the private investors and the bids in hand for foreign competitors that will be introduced in 2016 .... we cannot afford to distort any of these ongoing plans. The story about constant power will soon be history

Flets:

4) Ensure true democracy is further entrenched into our society. 4 more years of freedom of speech/ information and free/ fair elections will deepen our democracy for better years. Autocracy, intimidation, press bondage and unfair elections will be alien to us come 2019. And any government afterwards can only continue or better the process because the foundations would have fully solidified

Flets:

5) Ensure that our infrastructures get the desired attention including our roads, railways, airports etc and sustained for the long term. Ensure that the oil and gas sector is deregulated through removal of subsidy to allow private sector participation with the consequent emergence of numerous refineries and petrochemical industries. Continue set up of the right institutions to fight corruption like the e-wallet system for fertilizer scam, biometric registration for ghost workers scam, pension reforms for pension scam etc.

Flets:

6) Ensure that our northern brethren get some education through a sustained alamajiri education system. This will further make them productive and less vulnerable to violence and destruction

Flets:

SEVEN REASONS I WILL NOT VOTE BUHARI

1) It will be a blow on our democracy that we distort a pleasant Nigeria future for a man who ended our nascent democracy 30 years ago

2) The name Buhari is globally associated with Dog, baboon, blood, sharia crusade, death, anarchy, coup plotting, tribal high handedness etc and this cannot be the best fit for Nigeria in 2015

3) The man Buhari has not shown any plan for Nigeria, so far its been a campaign of paying 5000 naira to 25 million Nigerians which is totally laidback and unsustainable. Stabilizing crude oil prices by buhari as promised is also not possible. Feeding the school children is not sustainable and not what Nigeria needs at the moment..... No concrete plans for the Nigeria future

4) Unfortunately, a man that has Obj, Atiku, tinubu, Amaechi etc who have wrecked the Nigerian society as his support base cannot mean change in 2015. He cannot jail the hands that fed him meaning jailing by Buhari can only be sectional and based on favouritism. Buhari is also not open to setting up the right systems and institutions to make corruption in the various sectors almost impossible.

5) It will be a disgrace to Nigeria that a 72 year old retired general who showed open disdain to the Nigeria army for fighting Bokoharam and threw his weight behind bokoharam (http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/buhari-military-offensive-against-boko-haram-anti-north/149256/) will be the president of Nigeria where other nations are joining forces to fight terrorism all over the world

Flets:

6) How can we have a president whose educational qualification is in contention in 2015? Would it have been easier and better if the requested certification is shown to the electorate?. Even if the certificate exists, calling the bluff of the electorate for whom you beg for their votes is the height of insensitivity on the part of the general at this time.... much more when he is power

Flets:

7) In this period of Nigerian growth, we cannot go for uncertainties. Though I do not consider this a political point, but a reaction to a Buhari's presidency in the SS through resumed militancy will pull all our growths to a halt and the economic suffering will be unprecedented. Four more years under GEJ will ensure complete diversification of the economy through agriculture, automobile and oil&gas downstream after which an uprising in the SS will have minimal impact to the country's economy

Matthewbriggs:


Leme paint the scenario better. 2 fathers have a notorious son that steal every single meat in the pot. Whenever he enters the Kitchen.
The First Father (GEJ) creates a new rule in the house that the kitchen is to be locked at all times and that the pot should be hidden, only those authorized to have access to it can see it. The son comes in the first day he sees no pot, he comes in the second day he sees no pot. He comes in the third day the kitchen is locked. After a whole year the son comes to realize that stealing meat from the pot is futile because you can't find the meat in the first place.

Final analysis. No meat is stolen... every one is happy.

The second father (Buhari) decides to punish his son for stealing meat. He beats the hell out of him. One week after the beating. The son enters the kitchen and still discovers the pot is open. This time he is more careful and ensures no one is watching and he steals again, again and again. The father is pissed when he catches him again. This time he denies him meat and give him 20 lashes.

Final analysis. Meat will still be stolen... Boy hates his father the more.

Jaybee which father was more effective in protecting the meat. You answer is as good as mine.

I hundred percent agree with you that the first step to fighting corruption is education and that GEJ has made some really uncalled for utterances in the past. Going forward he would need to really communicate his stance more clearly. Moreover I have learnt not to judge people not by their words but by their actions.

Put GEJ and Buhari side by Side. I think GEJ despite his short coming fared well in tackling corruption. This is one key theme my post addresses. Going forward GEJ would have to develop a more robust strategy if he wins.

abacus:
This is time wasting.. Nothing to defend. Discuss your topic leave APC and Fasola out of your post. Defend GEJ.

Matthewbriggs:


I have spoken to a cab drivers from different regions. The west and east mainly, are more open to politically opposing views. The north are harder to convince.

This is not a copy and paste article ... This is 100% original.

I wrote this based on my conviction.

Very true voters safe guard your PVC. A card made possible by a man who wants your vote to count. The PVC makes it more Harder for electoral corruption to take place because its is computerised. This happened under GEJ.

Matthewbriggs:


I need fact and links to support your allegations. Then I would respond to them.

Secondly Holatin I would like to ask you to ask you have you asked Fashola why he is yet to domesticate the freedom of information bill.

Obiagelli:
I just keep laughing when gej supporters mention fertilizer as the only example for gej's corruption fight. How many % of our budget/expenses goes into fertilizer? It took gej 5yrs to fix fertilizer, when are we going to fix corruption in our agric research Institute? Tell me one of the over 50 research Institutes in Nigeria that is functional.

How about corruption in the ban on importation certain agric products? These contrabans still flood our markets.

How about corruption in the management of our forest reserves, the massive illegal felling of timber.

Note that i have not even left the agric sector.

Now to fertilizer, even though i am a poultry farmer, i have applied for fertilizer from the ministry of agric for the empty land on my farm, i am yet to receive response, i know for a fact that the wrong type of fertilizer are even given for the wrong type of crops as we speak.

RESULTS:

Can anyone tell us the positive results of the successes of the agriculture sector, i am talking down to the layman results not cooked up data.

How come food prices are rising, same thing for feed crops, how do we explain shortages in soya beans supply for instance.

harde2lah:
I can count many times I've engaged commuters in political discourse especially with ibos. I have convinced many of them on why they should vote for Buhari. I was able to persuade some of them successfully while the adamant ones prefer not to vote for any candidate. So what ya saying?