charlos14:

Speculations without evidence!

Evdiance and citastions have been posted all of the thread

Anti Tank variant of Badger IFV....not too many pictures of this around.

In total...
Badger Infantry vehicle
Badger Anti Tank
Badger Motar
Badger Command and Control

saengine:


Anti Tank variant of Badger IFV....not too many pictures of this around.

In total...
Badger Infantry vehicle
Badger Anti Tank
Badger Motar
Badger Command and Control

There is all so the for support verstion.

EVarn:
exactly!,only a good sniper can hit a man at 1000m,1.5km,or 2000m away.

No any sniper can hit a target at 1000m. It is not some mighty obstical.

overhypedsteve:
exactly his point. Pirates do not risk their lives to steal fishes and sea shells. That's why despite the heightened security situation pirates from all over have always risked our gulf cus they know the about the wealth there. Other oil channel like the Persian gulf, Suez canal and gulf of Oman are secured by multi national task forces whose capacity complements each other. But in the case of the west African gulf, Nigeria have the highest investment and interests she have the biggest navy and despite the exchange of information and intelligence between west African navies, the nigerian Navy still have to work more to ensure that the billion dollar worth of investment around her sphere of interest are secured.

Educate your self.

http://m.arabianbusiness.com/africa-s-top-10-ports-50442.html

andrewza:


No any sniper can hit a target at 1000m. It is not some mighty obstical.

No, this is not correct.

The reason why this kill is such a big deal is because the shooter scored a kill at 1000m with an SVDK which has an effective range of 600m. This is why this kill is very impressive.

If that Sub.Lt had an AMR, kills above 2000m. Would be a piece of cake for him.

EVarn:
picture of the armed drone.it resembles a MALE US Army MQ-1C Gray Eagle UAV.but on looking closely,i discovered a few distinct differences between this drone and the US Gray Eagle,
*the fulcrums{legs} are bow in shape instead of the diagonally shaped lift present in the Gray Eagle.
*the nose is narrow and pointed,instead of long and thick.
this drone looks more like a pakistani "burraq" UAV.it also bear similarities with the saudi-arabian standard UAV.

I DONT THINK THESE IS A DRONE ...... A DRONE WITH ROTARY BLADES INFRONT

Henry120:


No, this is not correct.

The reason why this kill is such a big deal is because the shooter scored a kill at 1000m with an SVDK which has an effective range of 600m. This is why this kill is very impressive.

If that Sub.Lt had an AMR, kills above 2000m. Would be a piece of cake for him.

I never said it was not a good shot. Just not a world record sniper shot.

If you said it was a record setting shot for a SVD It would be accurate. Probably not the only one to pull it off but you would be telling the truth.


Shooting out to 1000m and to 2000m are to difrent ball games.

andrewza:



I never said it was not a good shot. Just not a world record sniper shot.

If you said it was a record setting shot for a SVD It would be accurate. Probably not the only one to pull it off but you would be telling the truth.


Shooting out to 1000m and to 2000m are to difrent ball games.

This is the reason many Nigerian military enthusiasts are celebrating the kill. It is an amazing shot using that rifle. It shows how skilled that Sub.LT who took the shot is.

I say, give that man an AMR, and he'll record an over 2000m shot. I'm sure of this.

Henry120:


This is the reason many Nigerian military enthusiasts are celebrating the kill. It is an amazing shot using that rifle. It shows how skilled that Sub.LT who took the shot is.

I say, give that man an AMR, and he'll record an over 2000m shot. I'm sure of this.

I did not say don't. Celebrate. But don't say it is a world 'record shot.


No guaranty. Has I said it a difrent type of shooting. Less skill more maths.

patches689:


Land equal to size of Belgium

You Boko Haram map does not tell us how many square meters of land is marked in that 'control' zones, I said tell us how many square meters of land Boko is said to 'control' so we can see how it matches the size of Belgium .

The map includes areas already liberated, like Michika, Konduga, Chibok, etc. Show us the date of that your map, today's date is January 31, 2015....what is the date of your map ?

Nigeria has about 774 local governments and well over 5,000 towns, Boko Haram infiltrators are still in less than 10 towns as at today, so they are in 0.002 % of Nigerian land = 2,000 SQM, the size of Belgium = 30,000 SQM

See how foolish you and your white-men's media/news reporters are? You and the foreign journalists are mathematical illiterates
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patches689:


No augugbugug - it is a civilian grade life raft installed on a military ship because as usual Nigeria is unable to impliment systems properly.

No manufacturer specs say that it is invisible to radar - none at all. Simply looking at the design you can see that it is not stealth - all that deck clutter.

Finally, that is not a video of YOUR OPV being sea tested - that is stock video from a propmotional video for the vessel. No missiles were tested on your vessel, and it is not modular.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AQ-J4EEgPY

Your vessel is not a warship - so stop trying to promote it as such

Bwahahaha

This will be hilarious, I will take down this comment part by part...BTWN...the warship in your you tube video is firing missile sideways, the ship in my own video fired missile in vertical launchers....shows you what will happen when I reply later
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patches689:


BTR-4 IFV is trash and you only have 5 of them.

This does not impress anyone

No source lists number of Nigerian BTR-4

Badger IFV is garbage and you have only 2 test units, none in service until year 2020
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EVarn:
boss,we need the translation.

when someone has a problem others always think it is just log of wood...

patches689:


This argument is nonsensical

Germany has not fought a war since WW2 - are you saying Nigeria is superior to them because of that?

Many many men and women in the SANDF are veterans of the Bush Wars. And when 60 000 cubans struggle to defeat 4000 south africans it shows just how competent we are

Again, the fact that we live in a peacefull part of the world is not a bad thing - its a good thing.

Our skills and training are obviously superior - thats why your government has hired us to train your men.

To a well trained army, combat is not a test - it should be nothing more than live fire exercises - as was demonstrated by the Americans during the invasion of Iraq.

American army is always experienced in war, they came from Vietnam war into Iraq, and USA has overwhelming numbers of very sophisticated weapons including long range cruise missiles that needs no soldier experience, they just fire it 1,000 km away and destroy Iraqis.

South Africa does not have up to 1% of American weapons. Stop comparing dude !

Germany has no current war experience, but they have massive numbers of very sophisticated weapons and equipment that will overwhelm any African country except Egypt.

South Africa is 100 times weaker than Germany is weapons and equipment, so no comparison.

4,000 SADF did not fight 60.000 Cuban soldiers, we have proved that here many times.

SADF 4,000 + UNITA/FNLA/ETC approx 100,000.

Then most of the SADF recces and elite forces were Angolans, Zimbabweans, etc.

South Africa has ZERO capability to fight war alone according to your cowardly war history in the past 100 years
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mzilakazi:


There is nothing speculative about badger. Projects take time to complete.

About 15 years to buy ordinary IFV, no single Badger in SANDF service after almost 15 years of project process... no money
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patches689:


And our Navy is more than capable of securing our waters - thats why we will be starting to patrol yours....

With your one lone Frigate
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patches689:


Hahaha - the delusions continue.

Yes they were compared - and apart from top speed the BTR-4 was inferior in every conceivable catagory

- Badger has better armor
- Carrys more men
- Better situational awareness
- Better weapons systems
- All weapons systems have longer effective ranges
- better troops carrying capacity
- more modular design makes it more versatile
- more advanced optics and communications
- better mine and IED protection
- better performance in combat (surviving multiple RPG and IED hits in Iraq)

Badger iFV is hands down the most dangerous, best protected, most advanced IFV in Africa and a world leader in its class - and we are getting 236 of them

And we dont care about so called "secret arsenals" we care about what can be proven.

We spent a whole 2 weeks debating this topic last month, I won't go back into it. Southies seem to have a spirit of repeating old arguments to prove no single point. Time wasters. BTR-4 was proved here to beat the Badger, one video one photo clears it all.

CASE CLOSED, I won't waste my time on this !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-UurX9Tzls
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agaugust:


Bwahahaha

This will be hilarious, I will take down this comment part by part...BTWN...the warship in your you tube video is firing missile sideways, the ship in my own video fired missile in vertical launchers....shows you what will happen when I reply later
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did you actually watch the video?

andrewza:




There is nothing modern about it. They just changed the lay out of the old BTRs. She is no more modern than the iklwa. Compared to the badger she is just a target.

Citation needed.

Everything South Africa does not buy, is not modern. Badger IFV is a 15 years old design still on table and obsolete by 2020 when it enters service after almost 20 years delay, that one you will say it is modern. Mumu
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charlos14:


Oh God, I thought that we were done arguing about what you wish you have> Keep dreaming about the Badger while the Btr 4E s are doing their job.

@Patches is busy boasting about Badger IFV that his army does not have, if wishes were horses....beggars will ride . Lol

andrewza:



Do you even no what SEAD is. I mean it not carpet bombing.

Did I say carpet bombing? Do a SEAD with long range PGMs on terrorists that have civilians as human shield and let's hear what Amnesty International will say on BBC and CNN.

Your country does not know real war, SANDF is a photography club, simple
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andrewza:


The badger is not a dream. In fact there are has many bashers in SA has BTR4 is Nigeria. You do know your BTR4 are from a batch Iraq rejected due to it not being up to standard. Most of the 47 where taken by the Ukraine army. You have a tiny number of Iraq rejects.

Iraq rejected them for body welding defects, not internal systems or weapons. Ukraine fixed the welding issue and purchased them.

47 units in all, number sold to Nigeria not known, so you need to prove it's a tiny number out of the 47....it could be 4, it could be 40, nobody knows. Stick to what you know mister
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agaugust:


American army is always experienced in war, they came from Vietnam war into Iraq, and USA has overwhelming numbers of very sophisticated weapons including long range cruise missiles that needs no soldier experience, they just fire it 1,000 km away and destroy Iraqis.

South Africa does not have up to 1% of American weapons. Stop comparing dude !

Germany has no current war experience, but they have massive numbers of very sophisticated weapons and equipment that will overwhelm any African country except Egypt.

South Africa is 100 times weaker than Germany is weapons and equipment, so no comparison.

4,000 SADF did not fight 60.000 Cuban soldiers, we have proved that here many times.

SADF 4,000 + UNITA/FNLA/ETC approx 100,000.

Then most of the SADF recces and elite forces were Angolans, Zimbabweans, etc.

South Africa has ZERO capability to fight war alone according to your cowardly war history in the past 100 years
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15 years between Veitnam and Iraq 1
21 years between Angolan war and now

Wow - such a big difference.

UNITA numbers peaked at 65,000 in 1990 (2 years after we left) and we spread over a vast area. We engaged in the South where UNITA presence was weakest and we did all the conventional fighting, not to mention that FNLA effectively ceased to exist by 1976 and operated on the opposite side of the country. MPLA + Cuba + Russia ammounted to 200 000 men.

We consistently defeated them with only 4000 men - this is confirmed by you.

Only 32 Battalion was composed of foreigners - Recce's were a South African unit.

O, so now you admit combat experience is not everything? Sophisticated weapons and training are what makes a military powerful?? Congratulations on another magnificent contradiction!!

And again, show us a major war America has fought alone in the last 100 years.

patches689:


It was never an argument, apart from top speed, badger is superior in every single way

Badger CANNOT swim across lake Chad from Nigeria into Chad. BTR-4 will do the job....one of the many points of BTR-4 superiority
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agaugust:


About 15 years to buy ordinary IFV, no single Badger in SANDF service after almost 15 years of project process... no money
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The project started in 2007

The first production begins later this year - first vehicles roll off the line at the beginning of next year

So it will have taken 9 years to design, upgrade and build the best IFV in Africa. (you arent very good at math are you??)

And we are getting 236 in the first production run (how many BTR's are you getting?)

And we currently have 6 - you only have 5 BTR's

You hate us cuz you aint us

MikeCZAR:
which country rejected BTR-4 IFVs cause of rust?

Where did these end up?

Ukraine and Nigeria, rust is a welding defect easy to fix. Tanks get whole armour fully upgraded and replaced. What's a tiny rust?
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saengine:


Anti Tank variant of Badger IFV....not too many pictures of this around.

In total...
Badger Infantry vehicle
Badger Anti Tank
Badger Motar
Badger Command and Control

5 variants you left the section variant.

andrewza:


If you can't hit a man at 1000m you not a sniper.

How many snipers have scored 1,000 m hits, how many rifles go that far?

agaugust:


No source lists number of Nigerian BTR-4

Badger IFV is garbage and you have only 2 test units, none in service until year 2020
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You got what was left of a batch of 47 rusted Iraq rejects that Ukrainian did not take for them welds.

Proof the badger is garbage.

We have 5 pre producstion models.

By 2020 we should have enough for 2 battalions.

agaugust:


We spent a whole 2 weeks debating this topic last month, I won't go back into it. Southies seem to have a spirit of repeating old arguments to prove no single point. Time wasters. BTR-4 was proved here to beat the Badger, one video one photo clears it all.

CASE CLOSED, I won't waste my time on this !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-UurX9Tzls
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Augugubug

You failed to show us any single way apart from top speed that the BRT-4 is better.

The badger has better:

- protection
- mobility
- versatility (modularity)
- weapons systems
- optics
- communications
- Mine/IED protection
- troop capacity
- combat record.

Even the picture you just posted showes that you have absolutely no common sense, let alone understanding of military vehicals.

Badger is hands down the best in Africa and I challenge you to provide stats and specifications that prove the BTR is better in any way.

saengine:


No it is not a world record. Go back to school to correct your english. Police sharp shooters can hit a targer at 1000m. Something that many people can do is not a "world record".

Show us how many Policemen have scored 1,000 m hits on record among all the thousands of police snipers in the wold.