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| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 3:42pm On Feb 11, 2015 |
[b]Jesus Vs Dionysus: A parody or Just a coincidence? Dionysus is a Greeco-Roman diety and was worshipped between 1500–1100 BC by Mycenean Greeks. In Greek mythology, he is the god of wine and he is presented as a son of God (Zeus) and his mother a mortal, Semele (a virgin). While he was toddler, Hera who was jealous sent Titants to kill him. He died and then was resurrected. Among the miracles he performed, he brought a dead man back to life. The cult of Dionysus was closely associated with trees, specifically the fig tree. Among his epithets include: Aesymnetes ("ruler" or "lord" ) Bromios ("Roaring" as of the wind, primarily relating to the central death/resurrection element of the myth, but also to the god's famous transformations into lion and bull.) Eleutherios ("the liberator" which is synymous to "Messaiah). Now comparing this to the biblical Jesus: Jesus is said to be the Son Of God and was born a virgin and his 1st miracle he turned water into wine, cursed a fig tree, raised the dead, died and resurrected. Both Jesus and Dionysus are works ascribed to the Romans and the bible of course was originally written in Greek. Is this just a co-incidence, bearing in mind that Dionysus existed before Jesus? Or is Jesus a parody or an updated version of Dionysus?[/b] |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 5:54pm On Feb 11, 2015 |
joseph1013: Keep beefing christianity. Unbelieving hater! See wetin your fellow atheist don do; https://www.nairaland.com/2142469/atheist-terrorist-atheist-murders-3#30637313 |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 3:00pm On Feb 12, 2015 |
AllNaijaBlogger: There can be no excuse for murdering another human. I condemn this attack just like every decent person should. It appears that this attack was motivated by a hatred of muslims (real people). This is wrong!! I distinguish between this evil behaviour and a criticism of IDEAS (including religious beliefs), which is how good ideas come to dominate bad ideas. This is good for human society. Atheism is not a religion. There's no book of atheism that tells atheists to kill theists. Whatever his motivations were, these murders are WRONG!! I condemn them in the strongest term possible! 1 Like |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 3:09pm On Feb 12, 2015 |
joseph1013: Good. |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 2:27am On Feb 13, 2015 |
joseph1013: What if the man thinks his actions were right since atheists have no moral code. |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 5:22pm On Feb 14, 2015 |
[b]"The liberation of women is like a vast, unfinished house. The west wing is fairly complete. Most of us who reside in this corner enjoy privileges such as the right to vote and run for office. We have access to education, and we may earn our own living if we choose to. We have managed to convince most legislators on this side of the house that domestic violence, sexual harassment, and rape are crimes for which the perpetrator must be punished. We have reproductive rights over our bodies and our sexuality; although “a girl’s parents and teachers and community leaders may coach her, they make no attempt to coerce her into or out of a relationship with a man (and recently, even with another woman). Prospective mates may woo and worship but must swallow their pride if a girl rejects them. Like all homes, the western side of the house is not always run smoothly. In some cases, the house rules are not enforced. Girls’ complaints of domestic violence are ignored or denied or the perpetrator gets off with a warning or a punishment far less severe than the harm he has inflicted. Other women may feel that they do not receive equal compensation for doing the same jobs as their male colleagues; still others find themselves hitting a glass ceiling. Thus some women seek to furnish the house with more rules and to smash all the glass ceilings. Go to the east wing, however, and what you find is worse than unfinished. Parts of it have been started, then abandoned, and are now falling into ruin. In other parts, every time a wall is put up someone comes and bulldozes it down. In what would have been beautiful courtyards “there are shallow graves of nameless girls who died because they were not seen as worth feeding or treating for a common, curable illness. In the east wing girls are transported as property by their parents, often when young, to gratify the sexual urges of adults. There are girls working the land, fetching water, tending to livestock, cooking and cleaning from dawn to dusk with no pay for their labors, while others are beaten by their closest family members with impunity. Young women die while giving birth because they lack the most basic hygiene and medical care. In some corners of the east wing mothers are not always delighted when they learn they are pregnant. A doctor will check whether the unborn child is a girl or a boy; if it is a girl he accepts the wretched mother’s payment and removes it, and if she cannot afford the abortion, the child, once born, is suffocated or left alone to die. This abortion of girls is so systematic in some “rooms of the east wing that you will find numerous boys without mates to marry them. Closer to the middle of the east wing most women are banished from the public rooms and hallways, and if they can be glimpsed at all they are covered from head to toe in dark and ugly garments. Many never learn to read or write; they are forced into marriage and seem to live pregnant ever after. They have no reproductive rights. If raped, they must shoulder the burden of proof, and in some rooms women and girls as young as thirteen are flogged and stoned to death in public for their disobedience in sexual matters. In the eastern side of the house some people are so terrified of a woman’s sexuality that they cut the genitals of girl children, mutilating and branding them with the mark of ownership. These days many people from the east wing find their way to the other side of the house, even if it is only to the cramped servants’ quarters. Here in the west wing the fate of girls in the east wing seems far away. “And while the girls in the west wing remain preoccupied with creature comforts like the shade of paint, the size of the chandeliers, and the shape of the hedges in the garden, not to mention that bothersome glass ceiling, men from the east wing claim western rooms for themselves, where they can practice eastern habits.” Excerpt From: Hirsi Ali, Ayaan. “Nomad.” Random House, Inc., 2010-05-06T04:00:00+00:00. iBooks. This material may be protected by copyright. [/b] |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 11:54am On Feb 15, 2015 |
JMAN05: Who said that Atheists have no moral code? |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 11:58am On Feb 15, 2015 |
joseph1013: What about the profound psychological abuses visited on women in the west wing resulting in neurosis and much unhappiness, depression and untold amounts of anxiety? No mention of that. |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 1:00pm On Feb 15, 2015 |
PastorAIO: Again, the west wing is fairly complete, meaning it is still not perfect. There is a wide gap between the East and West wings as far as treatment and freedom of women is concerned. Agree? |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 1:17pm On Feb 15, 2015 |
[b]"I have a theory that most Muslims are in search of a redemptive God. They believe that there is a higher power and that this higher power is the provider of morality, giving them a compass to help them distinguish between good and bad. Many Muslims are seeking a God or a concept of God that in my view meets the description of the Christian God. Instead they are finding Allah” “They find Allah mainly because many are born in Muslim families where Allah has been the reigning deity for generations; others are converts to Islam or the children of converts. My theory is based on two observations. One is the fact that many Muslims—some pundits would say most—are instinctively appalled by the violence committed in the name of their faith. Their reaction to terrorism is always the same: No, it cannot be. The terrorists have hijacked my religion. I think it is wrong to kill and maim people. My religion stands for peace; it tells me to be compassionate. “Unto thee thy faith and unto me my faith,” they quote from the Quran, thus proving to themselves that Islam promotes freedom of religion.” “My second observation is that most Muslims do not know the content of the Quran or the Hadith or any other Islamic scripture. The much-quoted edict promoting freedom of religion is indeed in the Quran, but its authority is nullified by verses that descended upon the Prophet later, when he was better armed and when his following had grown to great numbers. The Muslims who say that Allah is peaceful and compassionate simply do not know about other concepts of God, or the concepts they do have are wrong. They have been told that Christians have misunderstood the real God, Allah, that they are guilty of shirk (an unforgivable sin) by associating the one true God with the Holy Ghost and Jesus, a mere prophet, they argue, whom Christians wrongly put on the throne as the son of God.” “The Muslims who hear all this (and worse) about Christianity hardly ever make an attempt to find out more. Meanwhile Christians have stopped teaching people in Muslim countries because the bitter resistance from the local Muslim clergy and political elites made it harder and harder to do so. In short, the Muslim masses are insulated from all alternative religions.” Excerpt From: Hirsi Ali, Ayaan. “Nomad.” Random House, Inc., 2010-05-06T04:00:00+00:00. iBooks. This material may be protected by copyright. [/b] |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 10:53pm On Feb 15, 2015 |
PastorAIO: I mean having a generally agreed standard of what is right and wrong. Do they have such? Do they not live on there individual set standards? |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 3:35pm On Feb 17, 2015 |
“If nothing is wrong with Islam, why then are so many Muslims on the run? Of the top ten countries from which people have emigrated to the Netherlands, nine are primarily Muslim. Why do we Muslims move to the West, while at the same time condemning it? What does the West have that we don’t? Why is the position of women in Muslim countries so abominable? If we Muslims are so tolerant and peaceful, why is there so much ethnic, religious, political, and cultural strife and violence in Muslim countries? Why can’t or won’t we acknowledge the seriousness of the situation in which we find ourselves? Why are we Muslims so full of feelings of anger and uneasiness, and why do we carry so much hostility and hate within us both toward ourselves and toward others? Why are we incapable of criticizing ourselves from within?” Excerpt From: Ali, Ayaan Hirsi. “The Caged Virgin.” Simon & Schuster, Inc., 2006-04-25T04:00:00+00:00. iBooks. This material may be protected by copyright |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by colored(m): 4:34pm On Feb 17, 2015 |
I'm deist. religion was invented by man to guide peoples' actions and understand a supreme being who obviously do not wanna be understood. religion was invented to find a god who obviously do not wanna be found. religion was invented by man to understand his existence and answer questions he could not understand. |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 5:48pm On Feb 18, 2015 |
How will you feel if my dog got aggressive to me and instead of binding him I threw him into my children's room and lock the door. Satan pissed God off and he threw him to earth to torment his chosen, loving, 'Created in God's Image' Children. Interesting  3 Likes |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 7:04pm On Feb 18, 2015 |
joseph1013:. It was Satan and Adam that pissed off God. Humans too were complicit. Silly atheists. |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 5:11pm On Feb 24, 2015 |
More than 200,000 people applied to go and colonize mars. One was asked what his thoughts were concerning the mission to mars, he said, "According to the bible, God has giving us power to occupy and dominate the universe and that prophecy is being fulfiled." He was disqualified. We cant send God to mars! 2 Likes |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 6:34pm On Feb 24, 2015 |
[b]Let me share this with you: NOT PERFECT, JUST FORGIVEN? From time to time as a Christian I would hear the question, "Why is it that unbelievers are sometimes better behaved than Christians?" The standard response was that we are all flawed and that any misbehavior on the part of believers was more a reflection of their own failings than of the perfection of Christ, the one whose life serves as our example. An alternative explanation was that morally deficient individuals were not really true believers. There is a certain degree of circularity to this: it is claimed that Christ enables his followers to lead a better life than they would if they were not his followers. However, if certain followers lead less-than-exemplary lives, then they are dismissed as not being true followers of Jesus, even if they say they believe. This certainly stacks the deck in favor of the hypothesis that following Christ makes one a better person: eliminate all counter examples by definition, and what do you know, all true believers are good people! C. S. takes a slightly different approach, maintaining that though not all Christians compare favorably with non-Christians, Christians are better off morally than they would be if they were not Christians (Lewis 1970, 59). This clever assertion is difficult to prove or disprove. For the most part I accepted these explanations and did not allow the problem of immoral Christians to interfere with my conviction that the Holy Spirit is present and active in the lives of those who welcome him. However, from my current vantage point I do see the failures of Christians as a problem for the New Testament teaching that believers are a "new creation" with the power of Almighty God available to cultivate in them the "fruits of the Spirit" (Galatians 5:22-23). I attended enough Bible studies and prayer meetings to know that both my fellow believers and I earnestly desired to live ever holier lives, continually inviting the Holy Spirit to transform us. Yet after having left the faith, I find it no more or less difficult to live morally than when I believed. That a church of 14,000 members could have been duped for so long by Pastor Ted Haggard, who was exposed in October 2006 as having practiced homosexuality and drug use while preaching against it, is not only a mark against Haggard himself, but against the teaching that the Holy Spirit provides power to overcome sin and offers the gift of discernment to his followers. As far as I am aware, none of the members of the 30-million strong National Association of Evangelicals to which he was elected president had an inkling of his double life until his escort provided answering machine messages as proof of their liaisons. In light of this and other such failures, I will go out on a secure limb and assert that there is no such thing as the Holy Spirit's gift of discernment as taught in passages like 1 Corinthians 12:10 and 1 John 4:1, 6. Nor is there any supernatural power available to straighten our paths. We must take responsibility for our own actions; there is no unseen power out there to help us or hinder us. Ted Haggard is far from an isolated case. Consider also televangelists Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker; Intervarsity president Gordon McDonald, involved in an adulterous affair; and Mel White, a pastor who ghostwrote books for Jerry Falwell, Pat Roberston and Billy Graham, but who eventually divorced his wife and came out as a homosexual. Of Billy and Ruth Graham's five children, three are divorced—one twice divorced. One of them, Ned, admitted to drug and alcohol abuse as his marriage fell apart. Especially ironic is that two of those three divorcees are authors and the third was heavily involved in Christian ministry (Bruns 2004, 143). This is not to cast aspersions or to look down on any of them—we are all flawed—but merely to support my contention that being "indwelt" by the Holy Spirit appears to be no more than a subjective play of the imagination. In 1999 Christian pollster George Barna released the results of a survey of 3,854 individuals, finding that 25 percent of the interviewees had been divorced at least once. The religious group with the highest divorce rate was nondenominational evangelicals and fundamentalists (34 percent), followed by Baptists (29 percent). On the lower end of the scale were Catholics, Lutherans, atheists, and agnostics, each at 21 percent (Wicker 2000). It may be objected that the poll does not adequately take into account the believers who take their faith more seriously than the rest—those who pray and read the Bible as a family daily, for example. It is nonetheless surprising that some of the most conservative religious groups, the ones most concerned about family values, have the highest failure rates, while atheists and agnostics enjoy among the lowest failure rates. If the Holy Spirit does not take residence in unbelievers, how is it that their marriage failure rates are lower than those of fundamentalist churchgoers, even if there are many false or lukewarm believers among them? Surely the existence of at least some true, Spirit-filled believers among Baptists and nondenominational evangelicals ought to lift the general marriage success rate of their churches above that of the unbelievers! It is my conviction that every moral unbeliever and every immoral believer is a strike against the notion that the Holy Spirit exists and enables us to lead a life defined by the "fruits of the Spirit" in Galatians 5. If we believe in the role of the Holy Spirit, how do we explain the existence of millions of kind, loving, moral unbelievers in the world, many of whom are better people than the average evangelical Christian who seeks the indwelling of the Spirit? Are we to consider the love and sacrifices of an upstanding family-oriented Mormon to be nothing more than a counterfeit? Or are we to allow for the possibility that Christ's common grace takes hold even in the hearts of heretics? In either case, the reality of the situation erases any decisive evidence for the existence of a Holy Spirit who empowers us to live right. Several years ago I watched a television documentary on addiction in which a former alcoholic testified to his failed experience with a number of self-help programs. He finally succeeded when he decided to make up his own twelve-step program: "I skipped over the first eleven steps, then made up the twelfth: just quit drinking!" http://infidels.org/library/modern/ken_daniels/why.html#Forgiven[/b] 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 12:49pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
HUSH, GOD IS SLEEPING The six-day biblical creation story is so flawed and so firmly contradicted by what we know about the universe, that some Christians try to find excuses for it. They say, the universe WAS created in six days but they were not literal days. They were days of millions or billions of years. Does this make it better? To match the elapsed time since the true of beginning of the universe, a biblical creation day would have to be equal to 2.3 billion years, which brings its own problems—like grass, plants and trees being created billions of years before the sun… But there is one way in which this idea is an improvement. The story says God rested on the seventh day. Since a day is 2.3 billion years, God must still be resting and will rest for another two billion years or so. Now THAT does help—that could explain a lot. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by lordrahaj(m): 5:22pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
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| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 5:32pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
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| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Empiree: 7:27pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
joseph1013:Are you a christian? I would agree if christians said God created heavens and earth in "6Days" to mean not literal. Qur'an also makes reference to this. However, Quran makes it clear that a day in the sight of God can be a thousand yrs, a day in the sight of God can be 50 thousand yrs etc. The arabic Quran doesnt use our biological day. It uses "yaum". Yaum in the context of creation of heavens and earth means "day". That's, a very long period of time. Not our biological day. There are three(3) examples given in the Quran. Let me give you one. The story of young men in the Cave (Chapter 18 of Quran). Qur'an says that the young men with their dog slept for 300 or 309 yrs. What happened was the men fled the town where they were persecuted for their monotheistic faith and sought refuge in a cave. There they fell asleep with their dog for 300-309 yrs. Obviously, they were travellers but got tired and slept. When they woke up, they started questioning themselves "how many days did we sleep?". They began to guess among themselves. Some said perhaps a day or part of a day. Then Quran tells us that the actual number of days they slept is only known to God....but it says they slept for 300yrs. Definitely, that long period of time is not biological for two(2) reasons: 1 - When they woke up, generations have passed. They saw things have changed. At the time they fled the town, people at that time were disbelievers who persecuted them. But by the time they woke up they found believing people(majority). 2 - Their body remained the same. The same size, same age including their dog. That's why after they woke up, they felt hungry and sent one of them to buy good food but warned to be careful that authority might punish them if they are found using old money.....that it might changed i:e people might be using different money. But the people are faithful. Here is another example from Hadith of the prophet(pbuh) He said Dajjal (anti-christ) will rule the world for three (3) "days". He went further to say 1 day like year, 1 day like a month and 1 day like a week. This is indication that "days" mentioned in the creation of heavens and earth is not biological. So those verses should not be taken as 6 days of our time unless bible scholars say otherwise. Note: I am not defending Bible. Just input my thought.  The crazy thing i disagree with in the Bible is for saying God "rested". That's blasphemy. God does not rest. Quran in chapter 2:255 says that God does not sleep, nor slumber. Nor does he tire or rest. So that statement in the bible that God rested is word of disbelieve. 1 Like |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by malvisguy212: 8:06am On Mar 24, 2015 |
Empiree:And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. (Genesis 2:3) The Hebrew word translated rest is shabath ,the word shabath does not refer to rest,it was the king James rendering of the word rest. So, what Genesis 2:3 is saying is that God stopped creating after the sixth day - not that God needed to take a break. Infacte,In the New Testament book of Hebrews, the author tells us to labor to enter into God's seventh day of rest (which is continuing). For He has thus said somewhere concerning the seventh day, "And God rested on the seventh day from all His works"... Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall through following the same example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:4-11) These verses indicate that we are currently in God's seventh day of "rest." However, according to the Bible, God has been very busy during this "rest" - forming the nation of Israel, sending the Messiah, and building His Church. During this time, God has ceased His creative work. At the end of the seventh day, Christ will return to judge the earth. At that time God will create again. Century before muhammed contradicts the word of God, the bible has aready made this statement,a thousand year is like a day; 2peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. Psalms 90:4 A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night. Muhammed got this idea from the bible |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 1:58pm On Apr 07, 2015 |
The issues raised by Sam Harris in this video troubles me. And I don't understand why it doesn't trouble a lot more people that are Christians. Perhaps you guys can talk me through how you guys deal with these sort of issues...! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSdGr4K4qLg 4 Likes |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 1:31pm On Apr 09, 2015 |
[b]I find it instructive that believers equate the relationship between a man and his son to the relationship between God and us. If my son choses not to listen to me, and grows up to live life as a narcissistic, egotistical billionaire, at his death he would still remain my son. I would have been partly responsible for his eventual outcome, partly because he shares my genes (and research tells us nature is as important as nurture), and partly because of how I've instructed him. And even if I've instructed him perfectly, and I've given him the most perfect set of genes, something in me would still wonder how I failed my son - and I'm sure most parents on here would be the same. But if I could find a way to absolve myself of all guilt and responsibility, but had the power to send my son to heaven or hell, I would definitely send him to heaven. Even if I ask him to do a time of penance, or I bear some of that punishment myself, I would find a way to make sure that he doesn't suffer eternal damnation. And I would make that unconditional, and not predicated on whether he believes it or not. Because knowing how narcissistic he turned out, I would be suspicious that he might still mess up if I give him too much of a choice. That's what I would do as an earthly parent. How much more the all wise, all powerful, all loving, all knowing God? Should he not live by a higher principle? And by higher I mean more loving, more merciful, more humane?[/b] 5 Likes |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 4:17pm On Apr 21, 2015 |
Am I the only one who thinks this way? Who is right? JEHOVAH'S WITNESES? Who feel they are the only true church? DEEPER LIFE? WHO dont celebrate Christmas any longer? RCCG? WINNERS? Cherubim AND SERAPHIM? Who wear white garments for worship? Alot of people are told to follow the Bible when the Bible has been produced in so many ways. Again, which of the Bibles is the right one? Different ones out there. Ever asked yourself why Jehovah just does not show us the one true way? This applies to Islam too! 5 Likes
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| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 9:46pm On Apr 21, 2015 |
joseph1013: He has shown u thru His word. its left for u to search for Him by studying the identity of true religion. |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 10:28pm On Apr 21, 2015 |
JMAN05:How many interpretations of the same Word do we have? Your own interpretation? RCCG's? C&S'? Christ Embassy's? Catholic's? TB Joshua's? Why should I believe your own and even my own interpretation as the truest revelation? 2 Likes |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 8:49am On Apr 22, 2015 |
joseph1013: I like your gif about the teacherless classroom and the textbooks. You forgot the student that disappeared to go to the toilet and returned minutes later with yet another textbook in his hands claiming that the teacher appeared to him and handed it to him. For me personally, any religion whose foundation is a text is a false religion. 9 Likes |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 1:39pm On Apr 23, 2015 |
joseph1013: I said identity of true christianity. That one does not hinge on interpretation as such. Review the ministry of Jesus and his disciples as penned in the bible. Compare and search for the right religion with unbiased mind. One of the problems that affect individuals of nowadays is laziness. No one wants to submerge himself into a sincere study and research. Thats why many are deceived. You can do better than that. prayerfully embark on that search, and stop complaining. I want to believe u aren't lazy. |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 8:47pm On Apr 23, 2015 |
JMAN05:What is your own identity of true christianity? 1 Like |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 9:34am On Apr 24, 2015 |
joseph1013: oga combat laziness by taken ur bible and meticulously read the NT, u ll find a lead. If I have question ask, and cross check with what u read from the scriptures. Pray about ur quest, God will reveal the way for u. Start reading, and stop asking for I have no personal identity for true Christians, God has. |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 11:42am On Apr 24, 2015 |
JMAN05: I'm simply asking on what basis you think what you believe is what God wants you to believe. And on what premise you disagree with anyone who has a different view from you and yet claim he also studied the Bible meticulously with an inspiration from God. 5 Likes |
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