johnydon22:


and an adult just poured out this fairy fantasy.. malaria parasites not having effect when its in existence, maybe carnivores would have been eating plants, no wonder a snake could take then and even had legs..choi ... seriously

To you it seem like fairy tale- a perfect man, but not so to me. PS: I don't believe in a snake with legs and hands like some do. There is fine line between reality and fantasy.

Tell me please, is malaria parasite found in every environmental condition- continents existing on earth today?

doubleDx:
@Plaetton,

Another thing you have to understand is that, Earth is not a paradise! Sin brought imperfection into the world which is why we need saving in the first place....do you expect flawlessness in an imperfect world? Your arguments about intelligent design has nothing to do with what the creator chooses to do with his creation! He created all things exactly the way he wanted them to be...He is also not ignorant that sin would later come into the equation to try us, which was why he warned us through his word/messengers and also created an escape route for those who trust in him....

This here is the LORD's game, you are just a player in it! There are only two ways, you either go with the LORD's moves and win or make your own move and be removed! That's all....it's a matter of choice~!




[size=20]A resounding yes to your question my dear carnal minded friend ! [/size]

It's written!

very good answer make other christians catch you saying that..

swaggzo:



can I get the link to this lost books of the Bible sir? where can I buy it?

while I was in secondary school, Christian religious studies made us understand the Bible was written by great men directed by God.
How then were some books omitted even with Gods direction?


I say it again.. it's better to keep mute than try to defend your so confused religion, bringing out the f00l in you.

Excuse me sir but if you're trying to make me angry, then you're doing a really bad job. When and where in my post did i make any point defending christianity ? It seems Comprehension is not so easy after all. Anyway, this is a link to enable you read the lost book of the bible online sacred-texts.com/bib/lbob/index.htm

RikoduoSennin:


To you it seem like fairy tale- a perfect man, but not so to me. PS: I don't believe in a snake with legs and hands like some do. There is fine line between reality and fantasy.

Tell me please, is malaria parasite found in every environmental condition- continents existing on earth today?

You dont believe in snakes with legs but you believe in the bible..you even called it fantasy yet its part of your bible..lmao..You smoke?

Is malaria parasite the only disease you know of? leprosy, cancer, ebola millions of them.. and mind you in qll the places you dont find malaria now, it was eradicated by sheey hardwork of humans (health workers) just like they are working now to eradicate polio.

malvisguy212:
Sammy.
All what you wrote are misunderstanding of the word of God and translations,if you observe the contradiction you past,they were mixed with different translations of the bible.during the Time the king James version was translated the earlier Alexandrian manuscript has not been discovered.The reason the King James version differ from the NASV and the NIV in a number of readings is because it is translated from a different text-type than they are.
A. The King James Version was
translated from Erasmus' printed
Greek New Testament which made
use of only five Greek manuscripts
the oldest of which dated to the
1,100 A.D. These manuscripts were
examples of the Byzantine text-
type.
B. The NASV and the NIV make use of
the United Bible Societies 4th
Edition 1968 of the New Testament.
This edition of the Greek New
Testament relies more heavily on
the Alexandrian text-type while
making use of all 5,664 Greek
manuscripts.

How come it's only the bad parts of the bible that was translated wrongly?

If there were errors in translation would it cut across both good and bad parts?

cupid1:
Excuse me sir but if you're trying to make me angry, then you're doing a really bad job. When and where in my post did i make any point defending christianity ? It seems Comprehension is not so easy after all. Anyway, this is a link to enable you read the lost book of the bible online sacred-texts.com/bib/lbob/index.htm

You misunderstood him.. you were not the one he referred to a fool, he meant that trying to defend such fairy-tale beliefs as found in both christianity and islam makes someone look like a fool

johnydon22:

You misunderstood him.. you were not the one he referred to a fool, he meant that trying to defend such fairy-tale beliefs as found in both christianity and islam makes someone look like a fool

well, he didn't seperate d points to enable me know where his reference to me ended and his other point started...anyway, thanks still for the correction and i'm sorry about dat @ swaggzo

tartar9:
The Qur’an says very clearly that
there is only One God, Allah. “There is no god
but Allah” is the basic principle of Islam.
There
is no ambiguity about this fact in the Qur’an
and there are hundreds of ayat or verses of
the
Qur’an that make this point very clear. Belief
in more than one God is Shirk (polytheism)
and
a major sin according to the Qur’an.
Whenever in the Qur’an Allah is mentioned in
the third person there are always singular
pronouns used, such as He, him (Huwa or Hu)
.
Whenever Allah is spoken to in the second
person there are also singular pronouns, such
as Thou, Thine and Thee (Anta, Ka). However
only in the first person some times the
pronouns I, My or Mine (Ana, Iyaya, ya) are
used and sometimes We, Us and Our (Nahnu,
Na) are used.
This is a style of speech. Sometime the
speaker says I and sometime says we. We
also use that in our conversations. In the
Qur’an you will see that often the first person
singular such as I or My is used, when Allah
speaks about His love, care and closeness
and
forgiveness for His servants. In a similar way
the first person plural is often used when
Allah
speaks about His power, majesty, glory, great
deeds or when He speaks about His anger and
wrath for the sinners and criminals. (This is,
of course, the general use. Sometime the
reverse is also the case, depending on the
context of the Surah.)
See for example the verses where the first
person singular is used: “When My servants
ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to
them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant
when he calleth on Me: let them also, with a
will, listen to My call, and believe in Me: that
they may walk in the right way.” (al-Baqarah
2:186) Or “Verily, I am Allah: there is no god
but I: so serve thou Me (only), and establish
regular prayer for celebrating My
praise.” (Taha 20:14) or “But, without doubt, I
am (also) He that forgives again and again, to
those who repent, believe, and do right, who,
in
fine, are ready to receive true guidance.” (Taha
20:82) or see another example where both
pronouns are used side by side, “Before them
the People of Noah rejected (their Messenger):
they rejected Our servant, and said, “Here is
one possessed!” and he was driven out. Then
he called on His Lord: “I am one overcome: do
Thou then help (me)!” So We opened the gates
of heaven, with water pouring forth. And We
caused the earth to gush forth with springs.
So
the waters met (and rose) to the extent
decreed. But We bore him on an (Ark) made of
broad planks and caulked with palm-fiber: She
floats under Our eyes (and care): a
recompense to one who had been rejected
(with scorn)! And We have left this as a Sign
(for all time): then is there any that will
receive admonition? But how (terrible) was My
Penalty and My Warning? (al-Qamar 54:9-16)
See also some verses where the first person
plural is used: “We have, without doubt, sent
down the Message; and We will assuredly
guard it (from corruption).” (al-Hijr 15:9) or
“We created not the heavens, the earth, and
all
between them, but for just ends. And the Hour
is surely coming” (al-Hijr 15:85) or “And
among
His Signs is this: thou seest the earth barren
and desolate; but when We send down rain to
it, it is stirred to life and yields increase.
Truly,
He Who gives life to the (dead) earth can
surely give life to (men) who are dead. For He
has power over all things.” (Fussilat 41:39). Or
“Already has Our Word been passed before
(this) to Our Servants sent (by Us). That they
would certainly be assisted. And that Our
forces, they surely must conquer. So turn thou
away from them for a little while. And watch
them (how they fare), and they soon shall see.
Do they wish (indeed) to hurry on our
Punishment? But when it descends into the
open space before them, evil will be the
morning for those who were warned (and
heeded not) (al-Saffat 37:171-177). There are
many other examples.
Christian writers in their desperate desire to
prove their doctrine of Trinity have sometime
interpreted some Biblical passages where first
person plural is used to suggest that this
means the “Divine Trinity”. For example in the
Bible it is mentioned, “Then God said, “Let us
make man in our image¦” (Genesis 1:26).
Christian writers contend that this means that
there is plurality in God (We seek Allah’s
forgiveness for mentioning this blasphemy.)
Sometime Christian missionaries also go to
simple Muslims and try to confuse them by
taking some verses from the Qur’an and tell
them that the Qur’an also supports such
doctrines. I tried to explain this point in some
detail, because I have often heard this type of
questions from some Christians.

I think that these pronouns indicate the absence of an editor. There's no way that a person calls himself WE without being a schizo. Is that how people talk in your place?

Weah96:


I think that these pronouns indicate the absence of an editor. There's no way that a person calls himself WE without being a schizo. Is that how people talk in your place?

the guy is a copy and paste adict... everything he copied and pasted here didnt even answer the question...
**Meanwhile enjoying my sunday sipping my palm wine and watching a movie** This people are just jokers

johnydon22:

the guy is a copy and paste adict... everything he copied and pasted here didnt even answer the question...
**Meanwhile enjoying my sunday sipping my palm wine and watching a movie** This people are just jokers

Cheers to the palm wine part.
.. And remain for me ooo

Weah96:

Is that how people talk in your place?

hahahaha.....

plaetton:

Cheers to the palm wine part.
.. And remain for me ooo

no be only me waka come na... pammy deh wella come and help urself oo

johnydon22:


no be only me waka come na... pammy deh wella come and help urself oo

You cannot imagine that there are millions of Nigerians who would not drink good, natural and wholesome palm wine, nature's gift to us, because they have brainwashed themselves that palm wine is associated with Africans fetish.

Ironically, same mo.rons would gladly swallow a chemical concoction with the belief that it is the blood of a white man.
Dumb Africans.

johnydon22:

You dont believe in snakes with legs but you believe in the bible..you even called it fantasy yet its part of your bible..lmao..You smoke?

In the bible you find different Figures of speech
Metaphor is one of them. The snake in that Garden did not have Legs nor arms it is a figurative speech. Just like the bible called Satan the Dragon, is dragon a real or fictitious creature?

You preconceived ideal about the Bible is flawed hence your argument.

johnydon22:

Is malaria parasite the only disease you know of? leprosy, cancer, ebola millions of them.. and mind you in qll the places you dont find malaria now, it was eradicated by sheey hardwork of humans (health workers) just like they are working now to eradicate polio.

Did you understand why the OP did not use Cancer, leprosy as his case in piont- because they are not deadly living organisms (hence God's direct creation/creature------Part of design). He was trying to make a point that either God made a mistake by creating Malaria parasite or that he is wicked. Your line of question/reasoning digress from all that.

If Man can eradicate some diseases from the earth- do you think it is a difficult thing for God who created everything. Many organism have gone extinct- man's interaction to his environment is crucial.

The point is Man sinned hence he get Sick, grow old and die simple! The fault is not God's but Man's. We abuse our environment and give rise to diseases etc

RikoduoSennin:


In the bible you find different Figures of speech
Metaphor is one of them. The snake in that Garden did not have Legs nor arms it is a figurative speech. Just like the bible called Satan the Dragon, is dragon a real or fictitious creature?

You preconceived ideal about the Bible is flawed hence your argument.

lmao.. i was actually expecting that, its a normal typical christian defence we see always..."ANY BIBLE VERSE THAT SOUNDS LIKE FAIRY-TALE INSTEAD OF DISGRACE MYSELF TRYING TO RECONCILE IT I BRAND IT A METAPHOR " just like balaam's talking donkey was a metaphor.. lol funny...

RikoduoSennin:
Did you understand why the OP did not use Cancer, leprosy as his case in piont- because they are not deadly living organisms (hence God's direct creation/creature------Part of design). He was trying to make a point that either God made a mistake by creating Malaria parasite or that he is wicked. Your line of question/reasoning digress from all that.

If Man can eradicate some diseases from the earth- do you think it is a difficult thing for God who created everything. Many organism have gone extinct- man's interaction to his environment is crucial.

The point is Man sinned hence he get Sick, grow old and die simple! The fault is not God's but Man's. We abuse our environment and give rise to diseases etc

leprosy is caused by the bacteria Mycobacterium
leprae which pretty much is a living organism just like the plasmodium that causes malaria... Now check your points again

@bolded for the fact that man can actually eradicate these diseases themselves and yet your god have not recorded any point in this regard shows man is more effective than this your sky daddy atleast man is real..

plaetton:

You cannot imagine that there are millions of Nigerians who would not drink good, natural and wholesome palm wine, nature's gift to us, because they have brainwashed themselves that palm wine is associated with Africans fetish.

Ironically, same mo.rons would gladly swallow a chemical concoction with the belief that it is the blood of a white man.
Dumb Africans.

Lol and i know a friend of mine that doesnt take beer because his PASTOR said its a sin, and the guy is always complaining i will just be like "See your life?"

swaggzo:




we we're taught that He ( GOD ) foresees all things before they happened. He saw that Adam and Eve would break the rules he gave them even before creating them.. And you tell me they were designed to never die but theirs sins caused a change in plans.
The theory would even be better this way... He started to let death happen knowing that without diseases and wars and death, the earth is gonna be filled up some day. Don't you like it this way? After he knew that all this things would happen ( since He sees all things before time ) but he still went on to make man and give rules He knew they were gonna break.

Now how on earth should we continue to believe such theories my dear Friend?
I think its always better to keep mute than to come in public to try to defend Christianity cuz the more you talk things the more you expose the f00l in you.
I mean no harm.

Brethren, you may not know but you're an agnostics now soon you will become a pantheist then an atheist.

Keep it up bro.

johnydon22:

the guy is a copy and paste adict... everything he copied and pasted here didnt even answer the question...
**Meanwhile enjoying my sunday sipping my palm wine and watching a movie** This people are just jokers

See your head

Rilwayne001:


See your head

deh dia na... come join me ooo

johnydon22:
deh dia na... come join me ooo

lols.

I do drink it b4, but not again

Rilwayne001:


lols.

I do drink it b4, but not again

chai why naaaa

johnydon22:
chai why naaaa

My body couldnt take it again

Rilwayne001:


My body couldnt take it again

alright bro...

johnydon22:
lmao.. i was actually expecting that, its a normal typical christian defence we see always..."ANY BIBLE VERSE THAT SOUNDS LIKE FAIRY-TALE INSTEAD OF DISGRACE MYSELF TRYING TO RECONCILE IT I BRAND IT A METAPHOR " just like balaam's talking donkey was a metaphor.. lol funny...

leprosy is caused by the bacteria Mycobacterium
leprae which pretty much is a living organism just like the plasmodium that causes malaria... Now check your points again

@bolded for the fact that man can actually eradicate these diseases themselves and yet your god have not recorded any point in this regard shows man is more effective than this your sky daddy atleast man is real..

Calm down and Really Listen to what I say not what you suppose I say. Balaam's talking donkey was not a metaphor, it was more like "Ventriloquist"- speaking through an object (the same way cartoon characters could talk). Someone spoke through the donkey like a man speaks through a puppet.


Thanks for the Leprosy tip.

Man is still flawed he still can not escape Sickness, old age and death. He eradicates one and two or more takes that one place not to mention more resistant strains.

Jesus Healed different kinds of ailment and God is as real as man himself.

RikoduoSennin:


Calm down and Really Listen to what I say not what you suppose I say. Balaam's talking donkey was not a metaphor, it was more like "Ventriloquist"- speaking through an object (the same way cartoon characters could talk). Someone spoke through the donkey like a man speaks through a puppet.

You know to be honest the type of defence you guys pull sometimes is so funny.. balaam's donkey talked and that is it

RikoduoSennin:

Thanks for the Leprosy tip.

you welcome

RikoduoSennin:

Man is still flawed he still can not escape Sickness, old age and death. He eradicates one and two or more takes that one place not to mention more resistant strains.

how many have your God eradicated?

RikoduoSennin:

Jesus Healed different kinds of ailment and God is as real as man himself.

Can you prove Jesus even existed? For the issue of God am sure you know their are more than 5,000 so which of them do you think is real and how did you know its real?

johnydon22:
very good answer make other christians catch you saying that..

LOL....It's what it is; I'm not seeking approval from any Christian! It's what the Bible says....It's written, not in my words; but the LORD's !

doubleDx:


LOL....It's what it is; I'm not seeking approval from any Christian! It's what the Bible says....It's written, not in my words; but the LORD's !

Apparently not, it's written by men who claimed inspiration is it not?

johnydon22:
You know to be honest the type of defence you guys pull sometimes is so funny.. balaam's donkey talked and that is it



how many have your God eradicated?

Can you prove Jesus even existed? For the issue of God am sure you know their are more than 5,000 so which of them do you think is real and how did you know its real?

Balaam's donkey talked! And you as an intelligent being just take it like that or conclude immediately that its just a fan fiction like "How tortoise have broken shells". When you have been to a puppet show- let me know.

God will eradicate every pestilence with time, because he has the power too and he always keeps his promise. His original plan for human must come to pass.

Jesus existed, its a fact, if Jesus did not exist- Men like Alexander the great did not exist either. Evidence exists that Pontius Pilate and Caiaphas the High priest (both men who tried Jesus) existed.

God who created everything is Real.

How did I know: Creation speaks of his Glory and Existence. The Design in the universe proves it. The Bible confirms it.

plaetton:

Lol
Malaria parasite is not a disease. It is a living thing that breathes and eats like you and I.
Surely, it must be among the billions of living species the God supposedly created on the 4th or 5th day of creation (I cant remember), and which, Adam had the task of naming. Lol.
(I wonder what Adam named the Malaria parasite).

The parasite attacks the cells of humans, and kills millions of young innocent children every year Since creation.
So, the question is whether this wholesale destruction of human babies is part of the intelligent design.

a wise man once said... That weeds seems useless because no one have been able to recognise it worth,.. Evrything God created is impostant and very useful to the existance of this earth. The reason that u dont see any sense on it does not mean that it is useless

Vick4rill:
a wise man once said... That weeds seems useless because no one have been able to recognise it worth,.. Evrything God created is impostant and very useful to the existance of this earth. The reason that u dont see any sense on it does not mean that it is useless

So everything on the earth is inherently purposeful?...

RikoduoSennin:


Balaam's donkey talked! And you as an intelligent being just take it like that or conclude immediately that its just a fan fiction like "How tortoise have broken shells". When you have been to a puppet show- let me know.

God will eradicate every pestilence with time, because he has the power too and he always keeps his promise. His original plan for human must come to pass.

Jesus existed, its a fact, if Jesus did not exist- Men like Alexander the great did not exist either. Evidence exists that Pontius Pilate and Caiaphas the High priest (both men who tried Jesus) existed.

God who created everything is Real.

How did I know: Creation speaks of his Glory and Existence. The Design in the universe proves it. The Bible confirms it.

The fact he has not done so, suggests he probably does not exist.

RikoduoSennin:


Balaam's donkey talked! And you as an intelligent being just take it like that or conclude immediately that its just a fan fiction like "How tortoise have broken shells". When you have been to a puppet show- let me know.

Balaam's donkey talked, i as an intelligent being just take it as it is.. the same way i take the story of tortoise and lion.. fabricated fiction.

RikoduoSennin:

God will eradicate every pestilence with time, because he has the power too and he always keeps his promise. His original plan for human must come to pass.

If he was all powerful why didnt his original plan work in the first place, or he want to give it a trial now?

RikoduoSennin:
Jesus existed, its a fact, if Jesus did not exist- Men like Alexander the great did not exist either. Evidence exists that Pontius Pilate and Caiaphas the High priest (both men who tried Jesus) existed.

Lmao.. modern history has its roots it autenticated sources and achaelogical evidences to verify the autenticity of any historical claim. Yet evidence have been found in many non-mecodonian sources pointing to emperor alexander or historical figures like julius ceasar. Thats why you dont see scholars arguing over their existence. But we only have unverifiable, poorly written christian gospels claiming that some guy who was a demi-god (son of a god and man) was once on earth. Of course it is taken same as the story of other demi-gods Hercules and Persus.. Mythology.

RikoduoSennin:
God who created everything is Real.

which god? Allah, yahweh, horus, odin, mithras, zeus, el, molech, dagon, krishna, chineke, olorun, sango? and why do you think that particualar deity did it and not the others? and how did you know that particular diety did it?

RikoduoSennin:
How did I know: Creation speaks of his Glory and Existence. The Design in the universe proves it.

What is your criteria for determining what is designed? How did you know the universe is designed.

Study have shown that the universe the universe is still expanding which means its still on its formation process. You get stars dying and new ones being born, galaxies colliding on galaxies and asteroids crashing into planets and this chaos points to design to you? If it was designed then it means this god is yet not through with creating his universe judging from the fact that the universe is still evolving.

RikoduoSennin:
The bible confirms it

aaah yes the bible! Just like the quran confirms allah, homers illiad confirms zeus, enuma elish confirms the God ea did it, Amun ra confirms the egyptian god did it and so on..