davien:
So everything on the earth is inherently purposeful?...

yea dats my point bro

Vick4rill:
yea dats my point bro

whats the purpose of ebola? population control

Kay17:


The fact he has not done so, suggests he probably does not exist.

Wrong. Time and again, God has healed some specific humans. God exists.

RikoduoSennin:


Wrong. Time and again, God has healed some specific humans. God exists.

which of the God?

johnydon22:
Balaam's donkey talked, i as an intelligent being just take it as it is.. the same way i take the story of tortoise and lion.. fabricated fiction.

Well, you take things at face value, good for you. As for me, I read, then I try to figure out why such a thing was said.

johnydon22:

A voiceless beast could only speak through ventriloquist. Satan has done that in the garden of Eden in the past, why can't someone else do the same for the donkey.

[quote author=johnydon22 post=31949845]
If he was all powerful why didnt his original plan work in the first place, or he want to give it a trial now?

God's power was not the issue. The issue was about God's right to rule over All intelligent Creature. Illustrate; A Father's right to act as head over his children- a child may choose a way that could cause him harm just like man did, it has nothing to do with how powerful the Father is.

johnydon22:

Lmao.. modern history has its roots it autenticated sources and achaelogical evidences to verify the autenticity of any historical claim. Yet evidence have been found in many non-mecodonian sources pointing to emperor alexander or historical figures like julius ceasar. Thats why you dont see scholars arguing over their existence. But we only have unverifiable, poorly written christian gospels claiming that some guy who was a demi-god (son of a god and man) was once on earth. Of course it is taken same as the story of other demi-gods Hercules and Persus.. Mythology.

The above bold section is false!

johnydon22:

which god? Allah, yahweh, horus, odin, mithras, zeus, el, molech, dagon, krishna, chineke, olorun, sango? and why do you think that particualar deity did it and not the others? and how did you know that particular diety did it?

Yahweh created everything. He said so. He explained how he create everything and they are harmonious with what Science says.

johnydon22:

What is your criteria for determining what is designed? How did you know the universe is designed.

Law and order, Cause and Effect, purpose.

johnydon22:

Study have shown that the universe the universe is still expanding which means its still on its formation process. You get stars dying and new ones being born, galaxies colliding on galaxies and asteroids crashing into planets and this chaos points to design to you? If it was designed then it means this god is yet not through with creating his universe judging from the fact that the universe is still evolving.

The Universe is expanding is supported by the Bible- I don't remember the particular scripture now but I will get back to you.

The Location of our Solar system in the Milky way galaxy, the type of sun we have, the type of moon we have, the Size/ shape/ tilt /rotation/ elliptical path taken by our planet, the location of our planet in our solar system, Earths Magnetic shield, Water/Oxygen/Nitrogen cycle etc are not by chance but by Design.

johnydon22:

aaah yes the bible! Just like the quran confirms allah, homers illiad confirms zeus, enuma elish confirms the God ea did it, Amun ra confirms the egyptian god did it and so on..

The Bible is unique and its information has stood the test of time. The other books hasn't eg Which of those other books claim to be inspired by God.

RikoduoSennin:


Wrong. Time and again, God has healed some specific humans. God exists.

Where ARE THEY?!

RikoduoSennin:


Well, you take things at face value, good for you. As for me, I read, then I try to figure out why such a thing was said.

so you dont really mind if the story was false or not and you dont want to... Hhmm very nice

RikoduoSennin:
God's power was not the issue. The issue was about God's right to rule over All intelligent Creature. Illustrate; A Father's right to act as head over his children- a child may choose a way that could cause him harm just like man did, it has nothing to do with how powerful the Father is.

lmoa... you were the one that first implied original plan, are you chamging your stance now? here is your post

God will eradicate every pestilence with time, because he has the power too and he always keeps his promise. His original plan for human must come to pass.

So now its no longer about original plan that didnt work out in the first place, its now father/children relationship huh? lmao... thats a very weak attempt..

RikoduoSennin:
The above bold section is false!

lmao its false? thats why we have contradicting events in the gospels, even the so called gospels were not written by the people they bear their names, thats why we have tens of other gnostic gospels that didnt make it into the bible because of heavy contradictions and plagiarisms of other materials. . lol.. very false indeed. i can see..

RikoduoSennin:
Yahweh created everything. He said so. He explained how he create everything and they are harmonious with what Science says.

hahahhahaha he explained everything harmoniously with what science says like creating day and night and then creating the sun that supposed to be responsible for day and night four days later? chisoooooos this is too funny..

Are you aware that yahweh is a very young jewish deity they probably copied from the canaanite pentheon.. Gods like Mesopotamian Ea, Canaanite El, Egyptian Dieties, thousands of them predates yahweh by thousands of years and all claim to have created the universe..

Like the creation story you read in genesis that made you claim yahweh did it is actuall copied from the mesopotamian creation story that attributed the creation to the God 'Ea' . . . lol.
So you see the same way you believe yahweh did it, every other culture and religion believe their own God did it.. so which of them actually did..

RikoduoSennin:
Law and order, Cause and Effect, purpose.

Yes like galaxies colliding into each other, asteoids crashing into planets...incase you dont know . Our galaxy the milky way galaxy is actually on a collision course with the great andromeda galaxy.. Science 101.

RikoduoSennin:

The Universe is expanding is supported by the Bible- I don't remember the particular scripture now but I will get back to you.

The Location of our Solar system in the Milky way galaxy, the type of sun we have, the type of moon we have, the Size/ shape/ tilt /rotation/ elliptical path taken by our planet, the location of our planet in our solar system, Earths Magnetic shield, Water/Oxygen/Nitrogen cycle etc are not by chance but by Design.

What ..Lion !!! waiting for bible verse..Goodluck with that!

RikoduoSennin:
The Bible is unique and its information has stood the test of time. The other books hasn't eg Which of those other books claim to be inspired by God.

You dont know much about the bible i can clearly see.. A book that contains jewish mythological history some copied from older civilizations in almost half of all its pages was inspired by your god? Your god really did a very poor job with that poorly rendered, contradiction riddled jewish fiction.
The same way you claim this the muslims also claim their god inspired theirs but you probably dont believe this huh... irony? **sighs**

actually many more religious books claim god inspired let me give you examples.
Book of Mormon , Pearl of Great Price,
Doctrine and Covenants for mormons.

Guru Granth Sahib and the Dasam Granth Sahib for sihks

quran and hadiths for muslims.

talmud for jews.( not in the christian bible cus their messiah characteristics contradicts the one christianity came up with )

Shruti for hindhus...

clearly you have no knowledge of religions, next time dont argue over what you dont fully grasp

johnydon22:

whats the purpose of ebola? population control

if u read my quote very well u will understand that what am insinuating is that God alone knows the reason why things happend? I dont believe things happend with out reason

Vick4rill:
if u read my quote very well u will understand that what am insinuating is that God alone knows the reason why things happend? I dont believe things happend with out reason

.. That reason is so so flawed..

johnydon22:
so you dont really mind if the story was false or not and you dont want to... Hhmm very nice

lmoa... you were the one that first implied original plan, are you chamging your stance now? here is your post So now its no longer about original plan that didnt work out in the first place, its now father/children relationship huh? lmao... thats a very weak attempt..
lmao its false? thats why we have contradicting events in the gospels, even the so called gospels were not written by the people they bear their names, thats why we have tens of other gnostic gospels that didnt make it into the bible because of heavy contradictions and plagiarisms of other materials. . lol.. very false indeed. i can see..
hahahhahaha he explained everything harmoniously with what science says like creating day and night and then creating the sun that supposed to be responsible for day and night four days later? chisoooooos this is too funny..

Are you aware that yahweh is a very young jewish deity they probably copied from the canaanite pentheon.. Gods like Mesopotamian Ea, Canaanite El, Egyptian Dieties, thousands of them predates yahweh by thousands of years and all claim to have created the universe..

Like the creation story you read in genesis that made you claim yahweh did it is actuall copied from the mesopotamian creation story that attributed the creation to the God 'Ea' . . . lol.
So you see the same way you believe yahweh did it, every other culture and religion believe their own God did it.. so which of them actually did..
Yes like galaxies colliding into each other, asteoids crashing into planets...incase you dont know . Our galaxy the milky way galaxy is actually on a collision course with the great andromeda galaxy.. Science 101.
What ..Lion !!! waiting for bible verse..Goodluck with that!
You dont know much about the bible i can clearly see.. A book that contains jewish mythological history some copied from older civilizations in almost half of all its pages was inspired by your god? Your god really did a very poor job with that poorly rendered, contradiction riddled jewish fiction.
The same way you claim this the muslims also claim their god inspired theirs but you probably dont believe this huh... irony? **sighs**

actually many more religious books claim god inspired let me give you examples.
Book of Mormon , Pearl of Great Price,
Doctrine and Covenants for mormons.

Guru Granth Sahib and the Dasam Granth Sahib for sihks

quran and hadiths for muslims.

talmud for jews.( not in the christian bible cus their messiah characteristics contradicts the one christianity came up with )

Shruti for hindhus...

clearly you have no knowledge of religions, next time dont argue over what you dont fully grasp

The above is Just your OPINION, the OPINION of One man. Since Opinion are not FACTS, I decide to let them go.

Its pointless to reason with someone who can't figure what our common ground is, not to mention the fact that you don't really get the idea of my post- I say one thing, you say another just to express your own idea.

When you think you know it all, or know more than others (Full cup) then how would you listen to what others have to tell/teach you or even let them Explain themselves clearly.

RikoduoSennin:


The above is Just your OPINION, the OPINION of One man. Since Opinion are not FACTS, I decide to let them go.

nope not my opinion, why not point out the non-facts and we will delve and research about them to see if they are really facts.. We are discussing here no dodging.

RikoduoSennin:

Its pointless to reason with someone who can't figure what our common ground is, not to mention the fact that you don't really get the idea of my post- I say one thing, you say another just to express your own idea.

I only addressed your posts in a more realistic view.. refute any of them if you can.

RikoduoSennin:

When you think you know it all, or know more than others (Full cup) then how would you listen to what others have to tell/teach you or even let them Explain themselves clearly.

I do not claim to know it all and as far as i can recall i have never mentioned to know it all in all my posts..
so address the post, let us delve in more with full research and scrutinization

plaetton:
Joshthefirst, where are you?

I'm Sorry. I've been very busy for some time now.

plaetton:
Why did God create the Malaria parasite that kills millions of children each year?

What part does the Malaria parasite play in the intelligent design?

And, of course, how does Jesus save anyone, children especially, from the ravages of the Malaria parasite?

Kay17 is right, God is responsible for all life. But the bi me says life has been corrupted because of imperfection and sin. God didn't create killers or pathogens. He created everything good. But under the original failure of mans management creation has been corrupted.

I'm very sure this answers your question completely.

Kay17:


Where ARE THEY?!

I am one. A livinwitness of the healing power of God. But of course you don't believe me.

Joshthefirst:
Kay17 is right, God is responsible for all life. But the bi me says life has been corrupted because of imperfection and sin. God didn't create killers or pathogens. He created everything good. But under the original failure of mans management creation has been corrupted.

I'm very sure this answers your question completely.

Nope this answer is very contradicting.. first you stated he created all life in the bolded and all life surely must include plasmodium.. then you turn around and say he didn't created killers or pathogens as in the second bolded (after saying he created everything)…

Why not just say once and for all, did he create everything (including the bad things).or did he not create everything.. Stop going in contradicting circles..

johnydon22:
Nope this answer is very contradicting.. first you stated he created all life in the bolded and all life surely must include plasmodium.. then you turn around and say he didn't created killers or pathogens as in the second bolded (after saying he created everything)…

Why not just say once and for all, did he create everything (including the bad things).or did he not create everything.. Stop going in contradicting circles..

Or maybe you can choose to be reasonable and quietly read and understand my post. I'm not going to start explaining sentences to you again.

Joshthefirst:
Or maybe you can choose to be reasonable and quietly read and understand my post. I'm not going to start explaining sentences to you again.

It's very simple, i showed you how you post didn't make sense.. you were eating your cake and having it. . . If you can't explain it simple, you dont understand it well enough Albert Einstein

Joshthefirst:
Kay17 is right, God is responsible for all life. But the bi me says life has been corrupted because of imperfection and sin. God didn't create killers or pathogens. He created everything good. But under the original failure of mans management creation has been corrupted.

I'm very sure this answers your question completely.

God doesn't make mistakes, he created all things for a purpose...even the wicked for the day of evil! This is what most Christians don't understand! This here is the LORD's game, we are but players in it!


Proverbs 16:4

The LORD has created everything for His purpose; yea, even the wicked for the day of disaster.

Isaiah 45:7

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.


^^^

God created everything good because everything he created has a purpose.....

Romans 9:17

For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”

^^^

Now take a look at what GOD said about the stubborn Pharaoh that kept the children of Israel in captivity.....

johnydon22:
Nope this answer is very contradicting.. first you stated he created all life in the bolded and all life surely must include plasmodium.. then you turn around and say he didn't created killers or pathogens as in the second bolded (after saying he created everything)…

Why not just say once and for all, did he create everything (including the bad things).or did he not create everything.. Stop going in contradicting circles..

doubleDx:


God doesn't make mistakes, he created all things for a purpose...even the wicked for the day of evil! This is what most Christians don't understand! This here is the LORD's game, we are but players in it!


Proverbs 16:4

The LORD has created everything for His purpose; yea, even the wicked for the day of disaster.

Isaiah 45:7

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.


^^^

God created everything good because everything he created has a purpose.....

Romans 9:17

For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”

^^^

Now take a look at what GOD said about the stubborn Pharaoh that kept the children of Israel in captivity.....

So the pharaoh was just a pawn is god's chess games.. right?

johnydon22:

So the pharaoh was just a pawn is god's chess games.. right?

LOL before nko? You too na pawn nah; all the blasphemies wey you dey spew here na prophecies you dey fulfill so


2 Peter 3:3-4

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts. And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

doubleDx:


LOL before nko? You too na pawn nah; all the blasphemies wey you dey spew here na prophecies you dey fulfill so

Lolzzz. . . and this one enters with his own wishful thinkin absurdity..

Just like you a pawn in allah's chess game, a pawn in amadioha's chess game, a pawn in krishna's chess game not only yahweh.. their are more than 5,000 gods.. Hahahahahahaha. . People shaaa.. SMH..

doubleDx:


LOL before nko? You too na pawn nah; all the blasphemies wey you dey spew here na prophecies you dey fulfill so


2 Peter 3:3-4

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts. And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

who wrote this book of peter you just quoted? lets see if he even know

johnydon22:

Lolzzz. . . and this one enters with his own wishful thinkin absurdity..

Just like you a pawn in allah's chess game, a pawn in amadioha's chess game, a pawn in krishna's chess game not only Yahweh.. their are more than 5,000 gods.. Hahahahahahaha. . People shaaa.. SMH..

Yes, there are gods...even humans are gods too...that's why the Bible says => "Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the Most High" -- Psalm 82:6

The GOD of gods is Yahweh; the Most High...King that is above all Kings! There was no god formed before Him and there will be none after Him.... He is the head over all principalities and powers; in heaven, on earth and beneath, in this world and in that which is to come!

Stay put in your delusion of disbelief...you are only fulfilling end time prophecies!

Scoff on heathen!

doubleDx:


Yes, there are gods...even humans are gods too...that's why the Bible says => "Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the Most High"

The GOD of gods is Yahweh; the Most High...King that is above all Kings! There was no god formed before Him and there will be none after Him.... He is the head over all principalities and powers; in heaven, on earth and beneath, in this world and in that which is to come!

Lmoa yahweh is a very young jewish deity. . Mesopotamian Supreme God Ea predates it by thousands of years, Canaanite supreme God El (from whence yahweh was copied) predates it by thousands of years. .
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh. Yahweh ( / ˈj ɑːhw eɪ/ , or often / ˈjɑːw eɪ/ in English; Hebrew : יהוה ), was the
national god of Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) and Judah . [2][Notes 1]
Yahweh and his worship appear to have been unique to Israel and Judah:
[3] his origins are debated but there is widespread acceptance that he did
not originate with Israel; [4] his name may have begun as an epithet of El,
head of the Bronze Age Canaanite pantheon, [5] but the earliest plausible
references to it place him among the nomads of the southern Transjordan. now go and read the link to see more

The same way you believe your jewish fairy tale (even though you are an african..lol) is the same way muslims believe that allah is the supreme God, Hindus believe it is Krishna, and many other cultures and people.. So its just your conviction boy

johnydon22:

Lmoa yahweh is a very young jewish deity. . Mesopotamian Supreme God Ea predates it by thousands of years, Canaanite supreme God El (from whence yahweh was copied) predates it by thousands of years. .
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh. Yahweh ( / ˈj ɑːhw eɪ/ , or often / ˈjɑːw eɪ/ in English; Hebrew : יהוה ), was the
national god of Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) and Judah . [2][Notes 1]
Yahweh and his worship appear to have been unique to Israel and Judah:
[3] his origins are debated but there is widespread acceptance that he did
not originate with Israel; [4] his name may have begun as an epithet of El,
head of the Bronze Age Canaanite pantheon, [5] but the earliest plausible
references to it place him among the nomads of the southern Transjordan. now go and read the link to see more

The same way you believe your jewish fairy tale (even though you are an african..lol) is the same way muslims believe that allah is the supreme God, Hindus believe it is Krishna, and many other cultures and people.. So its just your conviction man

Trash!

I don't expect a carnal minded heathen like you to understand the things of the spirit of GOD! That strong delusion of disbelief is all over your face...you can't see clearly with all that boy!

This is what is happening to you right now; I don't think there is anything I can say or do to help you....stay put in your delusion You are being kept there for judgement =>

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


Isaiah 66:4

I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

doubleDx:


Trash!

I don't expect a carnal minded heathen like you to understand the things of the spirit! That strong delusion of disbelief is all over your face...you can't see clearly with all that boy!

This is what is happening to you right now; I don't think there is anything I can say or do to help you....stay put in your delusion You are being kept there for judgement =>

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


Isaiah 66:4

I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

lol ok oo spiritual minded man **Uuuhm seems the definition of delusion changed few minutes ago and i didn't get the memo ..** alright we are done boss

johnydon22:


lol ok oo spiritual minded man

It's what it is...when you are spiritually dead, the word of the LORD will never make any sense to you!

1 Corinthians 2:14

Now the natural man doesn't receive the things of God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can't know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Joshthefirst:
Kay17 is right, God is responsible for all life. But the bi me says life has been corrupted because of imperfection and sin. God didn't create killers or pathogens. He created everything good. But under the original failure of mans management creation has been corrupted.

I'm very sure this answers your question completely.

But Adam allegedly ate a fruit from the tree of knowledge, how does the eating of the fruit directly result into a DNA mutation/alteration in animals? This I believe, is the missing link. The action of eating the fruit was the SIN, how does the SIN then spread to the DNA of other animals?

doubleDx:


God doesn't make mistakes, he created all things for a purpose...even the wicked for the day of evil! This is what most Christians don't understand! This here is the LORD's game, we are but players in it!


Proverbs 16:4

The LORD has created everything for His purpose; yea, even the wicked for the day of disaster.

Isaiah 45:7

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.


^^^

God created everything good because everything he created has a purpose.....

Romans 9:17

For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”

^^^

Now take a look at what GOD said about the stubborn Pharaoh that kept the children of Israel in captivity.....

You on the other hand, don't think Adam is responsible for the pathogens and viruses, right? What is the purpose of pathogens?

Kay17:


You on the other hand, don't think Adam is responsible for the pathogens and viruses, right? What is the purpose of pathogens?

The LORD created all things for His purpose; pestilence, pathogens, parasites, plagues, starvation, wars, peace, etc...all these things are meant for discipline and correction! How do you think God would have achieved his purpose and showed his power in plaguing the Egyptians for refusing to let his people go if he hadn't created the plagues/diseases he used against them in the first place?

doubleDx:

The LORD created all things for His purpose; pestilence, pathogens, parasites, plagues, starvation, wars, peace, etc...all these things are meant for discipline and correction! [size=15pt]How do you think God would have achieved his purpose and showed his power in plaguing the Egyptians for refusing to let his people go if he hadn't created the plagues/diseases he used against them in the first place?[/size]

And to that I say Exodus 9:12
"And the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not listen to them, just as the LORD had spoken to Moses."