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Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by shahydbinaliyu(m): 8:15pm On Mar 29, 2015 |
Misogynist2014: Visit letmeturnthetables.com If part of Quran was really lost and Quran ain't complete... How come quran is still flawless... Some dumbfool go just sit somehow dey twist and use fake hadit to work conspiracy.. Na so dem conjure say Allah na moon Godq |
Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by Misogynist2014(m): 8:22pm On Mar 29, 2015 |
shahydbinaliyu:You so funny. Did you bother reading the link of links? Flawless! Don't make me laugh. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Preservation_of_the_Qur'an Read this link and you'll melt. |
Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by Misogynist2014(m): 8:26pm On Mar 29, 2015 |
shahydbinaliyu:Another link http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/ |
Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by shahydbinaliyu(m): 6:49am On Mar 30, 2015 |
Misogynist2014: Each and every of your conspiracy theory concerning Quran.. Is debunked in letmeturnthetables.com Besides, let's think of it, if Quran is truly not complete, would Quran still held it's head up high among holy books |
Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by shahydbinaliyu(m): 7:13am On Mar 30, 2015 |
Misogynist2014: Laughing in hulk style... Like i knew.. Av visited the site.. And all they used to support their claims is hadith...... Like i told you before... Only reasonable hadith are allowed... How can you accept hadith that contradict itself.. Do you even know what hadith means? It saying of prophet reported by people... Like i told you before, i also know hadith that are so funny and dumb when i read it... Like its said, accept only reasonable hadith... If Quran isn't really complete, we would know and many people will know because there will be contradicting words and chapters.. Unlike Bible, it's so glaring that it's a piece of shit.. Even the real verses that is in the fake Bible is credited by Quran verses.. Bring on another conspiracy theory.. Am waiting |
Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by Misogynist2014(m): 7:55am On Mar 30, 2015 |
shahydbinaliyu:Seen your comments and won't be good to neglect, this is from Quran only, what are you saying about it? The Quran, much like the Holy Bible, uses plural pronouns for God even more so than what we find in God’s true Word. Here are several examples: This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Apostle!) by inspiration: Thou wast not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary: Nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point). S. 3:44 Y. Ali And no soul can die except by ALLAH's leave, - a decree with a fixed term. And whoever desires the reward of the present world, WE will give him thereof; and whoever desires the reward of the Hereafter, WE will give him thereof; and WE will surely reward the grateful. S. 3:145 Shakir Glory be to Him Who made His servant to go on a night from the Sacred Mosque to the remote mosque of which We have blessed the precincts, so that We may show to HIM some of Our signs; surely He is the Hearing, the Seeing. S. 17:1 Shakir Note the confusion of this last text. If you take that sentence seriously, then there are at least four persons involved here. Person A to whom glory is given, person B is the servant of person A, and persons C and D (or more) who are the subject and the speakers of this whole sentence. Actually, who is "him"? … so that WE show to HIM some of … surely HE is the … seeing. Doesn’t the structure suggest that the HIM and the HE should be the same? Whatever the case maybe, this point is clear. The Quran does use plural pronouns for Allah. Some Muslims claim that the plural pronouns are used in a majestic sense, that these reflect the use of the royal plural denoting the splendor and grandeur of Allah. But as the late, great Christian scholar and evangelist to the Muslims St. Clair W. Tisdall wrote in the following argument which he put in dialogue form between a Muslim ( M ) and a Christian ( C): 139. M. There is nothing in the Qur'an to support the doctrine of the Trinity. C. We accept it on the authority of the Bible alone. Yet there are two facts in the Qur'an which cannot be properly explained or understood except by accepting the doctrine. The first is, that God is spoken of as One, He is called God ( ﺍﻟﻠﻪ Allah), Lord ( ﺍﻟﺮﺏ Ar Rabb) in the singular, and addressed as Thou. The other is, that He is represented as speaking of Himself in the plural as We, Us. Examples are found in almost every Surah: for example, in Surah XCVI., Al 'Alaq, supposed to be the first Surah revealed to Muhammad, God is called "the Lord" (v. , and "God" (v. 13) in the singular, and yet in v. 17, He says, "We too will summon the guards of hell," using the plural. Does not this imply the existence of some kind of plurality, other than that of attributes, in the Divine Unity? 140. M. Certainly not. The "We" is used, as kings use the word, to imply majesty. C. On what authority do you say this so positively? If the Qur'an is from God, nothing in it can be unmeaning. Whatever God says is true: and this expression, so often repeated in the Qur'an, may contain deep teaching. We observe that, in the use of the plural, the Qur'an agrees with the Bible, since we find, for instance, in Gen. i. 26; iii. 22; xi. 7, the very same expression used. Those parts of the Bible which teach the doctrine of the Trinity in Unity may possibly explain the reason of this, as far as the Bible is concerned. If the Qur'an was revealed to confirm the Torah and the Injil, perhaps this is one of the points in which it does so. 141. M. The Jews explain these passages by saying that God was addressing the angels. C. That is because the Jews reject the Gospel, which the Qur'an "confirms." But whether their explanation be right or wrong, will it explain the use of the plural in the Qur'an? 142. M. No, it will not: but the doctrine of the Trinity is contrary to the Qur'an. (Tisdall , A Manual of the Leading Muhammadan Objections to Christianity [Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, London, 1904], Chapter V, "Objections Against Certain Leading Christian Doctrines (continued)", pp. 153-154; source) Besides, the royal plural doesn’t at all help the Muslim cause since it actually implies that Allah was addressing his royal court, his heavenly council. The online encyclopedia, Wikipedia, writes in regard to the purpose and function of the royal plural: Pluralis majestatis ("majestic plural" is the plural pronoun where it is used to refer to one person alone. This is also known as the " royal we " or the "Victorian we " because it has usually been restricted to august personages such as monarchs, bishops, Popes, and university rectors. The reason behind the pluralis majestatis is the idea that a monarch or other high official ALWAYS SPEAKS FOR HIS OR HER PEOPLE . Examples of purported instances: We are not amused. Queen Victoria (in at least one account of this quotation, though, she was not speaking for herself alone, BUT FOR THE LADIES OF THE COURT.) We are a grandmother. Margaret Thatcher announcing the birth of Mark Thatcher’s son Michael in 1990. It is to be distinguished from pluralis modestiae, also pluralis auctoris (inclusion of readers or listeners). For instance: Let's calculate! Leibniz We are thus led also to a definition of "time" in physics. Albert Einstein It was said that United States Navy Admiral Hyman G. Rickover told a subordinate that used the royal we: "Three groups are permitted that usage: pregnant women, royalty, and schizophrenics. Which one are you?" There is no such thing as the "Papal we". The pope may use the "Royal we". ( Source; underline and capital emphasis ours) And regarding the use of "we" this same source states: The royal we (Pluralis Majestatis) is the first-person plural pronoun when used by an important personage to refer to himself or herself. Its best known usage is by a monarch such as a king, queen, or pope. It is also used in certain formal contexts by bishops and university rectors. In the public situations in which it is used, the monarch or other dignitary is typically speaking, NOT IN HIS OWN PROPER PERSON, BUT AS LEADER OF A NATION OR INSTITUTION. Nevertheless, the habit of referring to leaders in the plural has influenced the grammar of several languages, in which plural forms tend to be perceived as deferential and more polite than singular forms. This grammatical feature is called a T-V distinction. Popes used the we as part of their formal speech up until recent times. John Paul I was the first to dispense with this practice, instead using the singular I. John Paul II continued to use the singular. The editorial we is a similar phenomenon, in which editorial columnists in newspapers and similar commentators in other media refer to themselves as we when giving their opinions. Here, the writer has once more cast himself or herself in the role of spokesman: either FOR THE MEDIA INSTITUTION who employs him, or more generally ON BEHALF OF THE PARTY OR BODY OF CITIZENS who agree with the commentary . (Source; underline and capital emphasis ours) Thus, appealing to the royal plural in order to account for the Quran’s use of plural pronouns only proves that Allah is speaking on behalf of other divine or heavenly beings. In fact, the Quran itself and early Muslim references provide evidence that the plural pronouns do indeed refer to a group, either because Allah himself is a plural entity or because there are several others associated with Allah in his works. For instance, this Muslim source actually thinks it is refuting Trinitarians when it makes the following assertion: Some Christians – because of their ignorance – think that the plural pronoun which is used to show respect in verses such as "Verily, We have given you (O Muhammad) a manifest victory" [al-Fath 48:1] and "Verily, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’aan…" [Yoosuf 12:2] is proof of their false belief in trinity. Read more here..... http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_plurality.htm |
Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by shahydbinaliyu(m): 8:58am On Mar 30, 2015 |
Misogynist2014: God is so perfect... Because of people like you that can't understand holy book without misinterpreting it... God talked about Trinity in Quran.. Go read what God said about Trinity in Quran. Besides, son of God doesn't also mean biological son of God.. Means servant of God.. It's Hebrew way of saying servant of God but people misunderstood it despite God saying HE doesn't have son. God disapproved Trinity... AND you saying God do use WE.. That WE simply means display of power... It's even in yoruba language.. When you knock someone door and ask who is it.. People don't do say its me ( emi ni) , most do say ( awa ni) don't forget it's one person.. And the use of us in this context means... It's me who you know very well.. That's what that (awa ni) stands for in that sentence... If that WE used by God means He's 3 in 1... He won't disapprove Trinity.. Besides all HIS messanger won't have preached ONE GOD |
Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by Nicklaus(m): 12:22pm On Mar 30, 2015 |
shahydbinaliyu:Now this above has contradicted your acclaimed intention for enlightenment. You have just made an assertion of sth you claim not to understand instead of being curious which leaves me to believe you aren't after the truth after all. You only want to argue. Sorry I'm I won't give u the satisfaction bye... |
Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by shahydbinaliyu(m): 2:27pm On Mar 30, 2015 |
Nicklaus: May God have mercy on you |
Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by Nicklaus(m): 2:55pm On Mar 30, 2015 |
shahydbinaliyu:for the sake of HIS sorrowful passion, Amen Amen. |
Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by malvisguy212: 4:32pm On Mar 30, 2015 |
shahydbinaliyu:https://www.nairaland.com/2226270/jesus-son-manwho-father |
Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by shahydbinaliyu(m): 7:41pm On Mar 31, 2015 |
Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by malvisguy212: 8:34pm On Mar 31, 2015 |
shahydbinaliyu:do you believe in The gospel of barnabas? |
Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by shahydbinaliyu(m): 9:16pm On Mar 31, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Why won't i believe in what person that introduced Paul to apostle wrote? Why wasn't Barnabas Bible.. Just go read it... I wish God use it to help you |
Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by malvisguy212: 10:50pm On Mar 31, 2015 |
shahydbinaliyu:interlingent and Well Versed muslim Know The implication of believing in barnabas gospel . Barnabas deny Jesus is The messiah and The quran agree Jesus is The messiah. according to "Barnabas" (3), Mary brought forth her son without pain This is contradicted by the Quran (19:23). the Quran approves of poligamy "Barnabas" does not tolerat it . I Can Go On and On |
Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by shahydbinaliyu(m): 11:57pm On Mar 31, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Quran is from God.. Barnabas wrote what he heard.. There's no contradiction.. No misunderstanding.. Just slight differences.. You can't expect to write what i sent to you exactly the way i wrote it... Anyway.. Read it and see who Jesus really is and Trinity and Jesus as son of God.. Go read and see how Paul misled people |
Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by malvisguy212: 7:02am On Apr 01, 2015 |
shahydbinaliyu:who command barnabas To wrote The Word of God? Is he a Prophet? Do you believe Jesus is The messaih? Baranbas deny Jesus As The messaih But The First word in his gospel read; Barnabas, apostle of Jesus the Nazarene, called Christ ... the Bible, "Barnabas" does not know that Messiah (Hebrew) and Christ (Greek) are identical in meaning.?this man is Not The barnabas in The bible. I will Not reply you anymore because you Are Not a Well versed muslim in The quran, even your muslims Brothers will be ashamed of you.if you realy Know your quran,you will Not believe in "barnabas gospel" |
Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by shahydbinaliyu(m): 7:05am On Apr 01, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Laughing... You never read the gospel you saying sorts... He accepted Jesus as Prophet of God. Prophet and messiah is same thing.. Like i said.. Go read it The same reason that Barnabas wrote his gospel is the same reason Mark paul and others wrote theirs... Even though it's Paul that wrote half of new testament 1 Like |
Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by malvisguy212: 7:54am On Apr 01, 2015 |
shahydbinaliyu:you Are ignorance,you don't know the implications of the gospel of baranbas done in your faith as a muslim. Bye |
Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by shahydbinaliyu(m): 9:30am On Apr 01, 2015 |
Fools believe there's no God Idiots believe God is Trinity Stupidity is when you say God has a Son Dumbassness is believing in an idol All people with this kind beliefs will suffer in grave and heaven... No b talk am, na God, also his prophets.. |
Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by shahydbinaliyu(m): 9:39am On Apr 01, 2015 |
Do you Christian knows that the way muslims do pray is exactly real Christian do pray? Do you even know about your Bible Like I do?? Most of you are just church goers |
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