malvisguy212:
it is you guys here don't understand, hearing a word and you do not understand it meaning or see the man who is talking is as good as not hearing anything, that was what the Greek word of Akouo mean, and the two verse are related to this same meaning.

Huh

Someone should please help me explain this statement.

malvisguy212:
you guys are bias, if you want to learn yoruba you will have to learn every word first.the bible is translated in Greek Hebrew and Aramic , you will have to understand the meaning of each word before you made your conclusion, let me give you an example of hausa language;

Ina kwana in English is good morning but when you look into it once again; ina kwana soppose to be " where you sleep". This is what the op soppose to understand, every languages has this problems.I can give you thousands of example and contradiction in hausa language that people have no problems with.

Still baloney.

First, you are still conceding that the bible, god's inspired and dictated works, are confusing due to translation issues.
This is a good start at being truthful. Bravo.

Second, where are the original transcripts or manuscripts from whence we got these confusing translations?
Who had them last, when?

If any part of the bible is mistranslated, then shouldn't the entire work be suspect, and not to be relied upon?

plaetton:


Still baloney.

First, you are still conceding that the bible, god's inspired and dictated works, are confusing due to translation issues.
This is a good start at being truthful. Bravo.

Second, where are the original transcripts or manuscripts from whence we got these confusing translations?
Who had them last, when?

If any part of the bible is mistranslated, then shouldn't the entire work be suspect, and not to be relied upon?

there are thousands of manuscripts, you can visit the London museum and the vertican, when you read the English translations and are confused, search the web for the original meaning of the KEY word and when you do, it will clear your doubt.

malvisguy212:
there are thousands of manuscripts, you can visit the London museum and the vertican, when you read the English translations and are confused, search the web for the original meaning of the KEY word and when you do, it will clear your doubt.

Sir, are you saying that thousands of original bible cannons are at the London museum?
Can you please link us to the website? Thanks.

I know there are thousands of books and ancient documents HIDDEN IN The VATICAN.
Why are they hidden ?

Pr0ton:
And when we were all fallen to the earth, [size=20]I[/size] heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Act 26:14

And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. Act 9:7

And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. Act 22:9

One verse says that the men fell to the earth, another verse says they stood speechless.

One verse says the men heard a voice, another says they didn't.

How do you reconcile this?

Absolutely nothing wrong with the narratives. Requires just a bit of common sense, you don't even need to be spiritual or a scholar. Also important is the fact that the significant parts of the narrative is very clear; that Paul a sinner met the Lord on his way to Damascus and received the gift of eternal life and a commission as an apostle.
The first query on stand or fall is simple.When someone falls, it's common logic for him to stand up again. You don't need a PhD to figure that. They fell seeing the light and later stood. Paul meanwhile was having a conversation before verse 7.
On hearing and not hearing, it's common language. I can hear you and yet not hear you. Like on phone or due to far distance, I can hear your voice and still say "sorry I can't hear you, speak louder or repeat your statement. That isn't a lie or contradiction. Even when giving instructions, one can ask "do you hear?" Meaning, is that clear.

Ok so Paul made a blunder! He's only human, haba! free the guy!

What does it prove? The bible is written by blundering authors who do not proofread their works, so what? After all, we serve a great big God that is the master of confusion and contradiction.

Deal with it!

Image123:


Absolutely nothing wrong with the narratives. Requires just a bit of common sense, you don't even need to be spiritual or a scholar. Also important is the fact that the significant parts of the narrative is very clear; that Paul a sinner met the Lord on his way to Damascus and received the gift of eternal life and a commission as an apostle.
The first query on stand or fall is simple.When someone falls, it's common logic for him to stand up again. You don't need a PhD to figure that. They fell seeing the light and later stood. Paul meanwhile was having a conversation before verse 7.
On hearing and not hearing, it's common language. I can hear you and yet not hear you. Like on phone or due to far distance, I can hear your voice and still say "sorry I can't hear you, speak louder or repeat your statement. That isn't a lie or contradiction. Even when giving instructions, one can ask "do you hear?" Meaning, is that clear.

Haha.. Is that the way you get around problem? Stop skipping and calm down to see the contradictions

Pr0ton:


Haha.. Is that the way you get around problem? Stop skipping and calm down to see the contradictions

So, what was skipped? You skipped that i suppose.

Pr0ton:


Haha.. Is that the way you get around problem? Stop skipping and calm down to see the contradictions

there is no contradiction, the reason you say this is because you do not read the bible for enlightening instead you are looking for argument in it.I hear a voice and do not understand,it better to say 'I do not hear a voice'.

malvisguy212:
there is no contradiction, the reason you say this is because you do not read the bible for enlightening instead you are looking for argument in it.I hear a voice and do not understand,it better to say 'I do not hear a voice'.

So there are different ways of reading a book?
Which ways did you read your books to understand and pass your exams while in school?

Now, are you saying that the wat one reads the bible in one's Bible Knowledge course is quite different from the way reads same Bible during Sunday school?

plaetton:


So there are different ways of reading a book?
Which ways did you read your books to understand and pass your exams while in school?

Now, are you saying that the wat one reads the bible in one's Bible Knowledge course is quite different from the way reads same Bible during Sunday school?

the bible is not a text book, there are many forestshadowing event that you need the holy spirit to teach you, the old testament forestshadow event that will happened both in the new testament and present generation, but if you read this with a bias mind, you will never understand it.

And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. Act 9:7

And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. Act 22:9

How's this for reconciling the differences? They heard a voice. The voice they heard was not necessarily the 'voice of him that spake to me'. Maybe they heard Paul's voice responding but in their discombobulated state of mind they couldn't tell it was him, they just heard a kind of booming all around.

malvisguy212:
the bible is not a text book, there are many forestshadowing event that you need the holy spirit to teach you, the old testament forestshadow event that will happened both in the new testament and present generation, but if you read this with a bias mind, you will never understand it.

WTF !

So, the bible was neither inspired nor written for ordinary folks like me, not to mention folks with a curious skeptical mind?

So one has to believe in Jesus first, before one gets to read about the teachings of Jesus in bible ?

That is a new and interesting twist to what is already confusing.

PastorAIO:


How's this for reconciling the differences? They heard a voice. The voice they heard was not necessarily the 'voice of him that spake to me'. Maybe they heard Paul's voice responding but in their discombobulated state of mind they couldn't tell it was him, they just heard a kind of booming all around.

It's logically apparent that the voice was of him that spake. This your own style ehn

malvisguy212:
there is no contradiction, the reason you say this is because you do not read the bible for enlightening instead you are looking for argument in it.I hear a voice and do not understand,it better to say 'I do not hear a voice'.

You don't understand the voice doesn't mean you haven't heard the voice

malvisguy212:
the bible is not a text book, there are many forestshadowing event that you need the holy spirit to teach you,
the old testament forestshadow event that will happened both in the new testament and present generation, but if you read this with a bias mind, you will never understand it.

You should have just told him that since from the beginning when I advised you. Now he won't have anything to tell you since he is /won't be in the spirit.

plaetton:


WTF !

So, the bible was neither inspired nor written for ordinary folks like me, not to mention folks with a curious skeptical mind?

So one has to believe in Jesus first, before one gets to read about the teachings of Jesus in bible ?

That is a new and interesting twist to what is already confusing.

how do you guys read post on nairaland? Most of the site I have visit, only this site are too bias,it is because of this type of habit foreigners will be afraid to associate them self with Nigerian .were in my post I indicate the bible is not inspired by God?as a mature men we need to be truthful.

Pr0ton:


You don't understand the voice doesn't mean you haven't heard the voice

if your teacher ask you a question but you did not pay attention and you understand he ask you a question, what will be your reply? I DON'T HEAR,wheras you know he say something.

udatso:

You should have just told him that since from the beginning when I advised you. Now he won't have anything to tell you since he is /won't be in the spirit.

you have no idea what you are talking about, are you not a muslims? According to the quran, who is the holy spirit? An active force or a person?

malvisguy212:
the bible is not a text book, there are many forestshadowing event that you need the holy spirit to teach you, the old testament forestshadow event that will happened both in the new testament and present generation, but if you read this with a bias mind, you will never understand it.

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malvisguy212:
you have no idea what you are talking about, are you not a muslims? According to the quran, who is the holy spirit? An active force or a person?

The holy spirit in the Quran is not the one that lead christianity to over 44000sects, not the one that inspired the anonymous writers of the bible to write inconsistent and contradictory fables.

Rilwayne001:


The holy spirit in the Quran is not the one that lead christianity to over 44000sects, not the one that inspired the anonymous writers of the bible to write inconsistent and contradictory fables.

you are very right. Christians and muslims have nothing in common,can 800000 billion sect live in peace while the rest religion killed them selves? I ask you a simple question, who was the holy spirit in the quran and you came up with this trash.

View this thread and see the disgusting acts of muhammed https://www.nairaland.com/2271492/how-muhammad-violating-quran-impunity

malvisguy212:
you are very right. Christians and muslims have nothing in common,can 800000 billion sect live in peace while the rest religion killed them selves?

Take it easy, you are shooting me with this your blatherskite english.

What 80000 billion sect are you talking about?

Which religion killed themselves?

I ask you a simple question, who was the holy spirit in the quran and you came up with this trash.

Whats your question? and did the biblical holy spirit cause(ed) confusion in christiandom or not?

Rilwayne001:


Take it easy, you are shooting me with this your blatherskite english.

What 80000 billion sect are you talking about?

Which religion killed themselves?



Whats your question? and did the biblical holy spirit cause(ed) confusion in christiandom or not?

very good, it is clear you do not even know what you are talking about. I ask you to tell me about the holy spirit in the quran, and you reply my question with a question, Nigerian man for you.

malvisguy212:
how do you guys read post on nairaland? Most of the site I have visit, only this site are too bias,it is because of this type of habit foreigners will be afraid to associate them self with Nigerian .were in my post I indicate the bible is not inspired by God?as a mature men we need to be truthful.

You said that we need to read the bible with the holy spirit, or in spiriti, in order to understand it.
Did you not?

plaetton:


You said that we need to read the bible with the holy spirit, or in spiriti, in order to understand it.
Did you not?

yes, and how do this comment indicate the bible is not inspired?

malvisguy212:
yes, and how do this comment indicate the bible is not inspired?

Can one have the holy spirit without believing in or accepting Jesus Christ ?

malvisguy212:
you have no idea what you are talking about, are you not a muslims? According to the quran, who is the holy spirit? An active force or a person?

Of course I don't. Why would I when I am not in the spirit. I only suggested an escape route for you since you were having a hard time trying to fuse "hear" into "understand"...... Now that you followed my advice, everything will go smoothly for you. Just tell them it's holy spirit and that answers questions you can't explain

malvisguy212:
very good, it is clear you do not even know what you are talking about. I ask you to tell me about the holy spirit in the quran, and you reply my question with a question, Nigerian man for you.

Hahaha. With you, nobody knows what he is talking about, it was me now, next was Rilwayne001. I wonder who is next in your list of people who know not what they do.

plaetton:

Can one have the holy spirit without believing in or accepting Jesus Christ ?

Malvisguy212....... The question is for you. Please answer

plaetton:

Can one have the holy spirit without believing in or accepting Jesus Christ ?

1 Corinthians 12:3
3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the
Holy Spirit.

malvisguy212:
1 Corinthians 12:3
3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the
Holy Spirit.

Lol.
This is not an answer.
The question requires a simple and direct yes or no.
Please answer the question.