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Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by malvisguy212: 9:12am On May 01, 2015 |
What is the different between atheism,cult/religion? Some religion are not different from cult, in a real sense an atheists is not to embarrassed to joined a cult. Atheists reject the existence of God in a real sense that the motto of a cult,—being free to do as they please, and the lack of ultimate accountability—there are no eternal consequences for doing as they please. Within the atheist religion, there have been a number of atheist cults and atheistic groups which have had a cultish following. Some of these atheist cults/ groups still exist today. In 2015, FtBCon which is an online conference organized by the Freethought Blogs network, recognized that nonreligious/secular cults exist (for example, the atheist cult of objectivism). http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheist_cults |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by jayriginal: 9:33am On May 01, 2015 |
malvisguy212: The motto of a cult is being free to do whatever one likes? That's the direct opposite of what a cult is. Any freedom in a cult is only illusory. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:48am On May 01, 2015 |
johnydon22: I am not denying this. I guess people acknowledge it worth. . . .that is it is been worship. Do you disbelieve in God? Devaraja and apotheosis deity? |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:52am On May 01, 2015 |
jayriginal: My friend, Do you disbelief in the existence of God (defined as inlfuencial person)? |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by johnydon22(m): 10:00am On May 01, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE: Now i see you are sick in the head. . . The definition of God as gallery of a theater has nothing to do with worship. . |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by Purist(m): 10:33am On May 01, 2015 |
jayriginal: I see. NL could be addictive, I don't blame him one bit. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by jayriginal: 11:28am On May 01, 2015 |
Purist: Neither do I. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by ooman(m): 11:41am On May 01, 2015 |
So those god worshipers now all claim that that their religion is not a religion but a way of life (both Muslims and Christians make this statement all around, all over the world), but now, they call atheism a religion. Well that is OK with me, so long as I don't share the same tag with god worshipers. I will accept atheism is a religion when all forms of religions and god worshipers are called something else, like dumb-sters or shiit-sters - whatever. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by KoloOyinbo(m): 11:45am On May 01, 2015 |
jayriginal: You are right - Chess is a DIVINE game! P.S. Can I meet your girlfriend |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by KoloOyinbo(m): 11:50am On May 01, 2015 |
ooman: Don't confuse belief in a God with formal religion. We are only debating an academic point. The only one who has a concrete argument is the Agnostic who says that we have no proof and indeed CAN HAVE NO proof EITH way that God does or does not exist! The Theist and Atheist BOTH say I cannot prove my point of view. Thus They both resort to FAITH although of a different sort. It is because of this (often blind) FAITH requirement for the Atheist that I suggested this thread as a fun discussion. As for the derogatory (and rather ill mannered) comments on Theists is that the only mechanism you have to support your erroneous arguments? |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by ooman(m): 12:03pm On May 01, 2015 |
KoloOyinbo: The argument that there is no proof for the nonexistence of god is as dumb as it is old. What am I to prove wrong here? Something that hasn't been slightly proved? That god exists is only a thought, only a statement. Lack of proof for it is automatically proof against it. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by jayriginal: 12:07pm On May 01, 2015 |
KoloOyinbo: After reading the lines you used on the lady who graced this thread, I wouldn't trust you with my girl. You might want to worship her like I do |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by jayriginal: 12:08pm On May 01, 2015 |
ooman: Ooman, lack of proof of something is not proof against it. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by ooman(m): 12:17pm On May 01, 2015 |
jayriginal: Might be. Give me instances where it is wrong. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by KoloOyinbo(m): 12:28pm On May 01, 2015 |
jayriginal: Ah, you sabi me! |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by KoloOyinbo(m): 12:29pm On May 01, 2015 |
ooman: GOD for starters. Steady state theory for seconds |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by ooman(m): 12:37pm On May 01, 2015 |
KoloOyinbo: Yea I understand those things. But if we have a god who wants to know me, expects me to spend the rest of my life worshiping him, then it is pointless hiding. So it is either he is anywhere, then show up, or he is no where, so there is no proof for him. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by KoloOyinbo(m): 1:20pm On May 01, 2015 |
ooman: Well If he revealed himself plainly then there would be no merit in FAITH. The inherent instinct that all men have to believe (at least at the start) in a creator is NOT proof of a God but to most is a strong indication. As for no proof for him we have agreed this MANY times in this thread and many others. No proof for - No proof against. Either is a valid stance. In fact there CAN be no proof for or against! This is the basis of the discussion that only agnosticism is supportable and that Atheism requires every bit as much FAITH as Theism. Both operate without proof. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by ooman(m): 1:31pm On May 01, 2015 |
KoloOyinbo: You really think faith is anything useful? Faith is the most useless and self-delusive virtue any human can possess. This is why it is not one of the virtues of rational people. Merit in faith? This is a joke, really. I have no inherent instinct to believe anything. I don't have an inherent instinct to believe in the Jewish god as I have no inherent instinct to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Me and you agreed on what? There is no need for proof against when there is no single proof for. Atheism is never based on faith, but lack of it. Am out. Don't have time for this aberration of reason. 3 Likes |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by KoloOyinbo(m): 2:16pm On May 01, 2015 |
ooman: Bye. Philosophy a bit difficult for you obviously. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by FOLYKAZE(m): 3:01pm On May 01, 2015 |
johnydon22: Worship is not all about bowing down. Worship is acknowledging worth of something or someone. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by DeepSight(m): 2:06pm On May 02, 2015 |
jayriginal: That was simple annoyance at the behaviour of Seun. Also the board i created was for the specific purpose of concluding a discussion with Anony Nothing more. Yes I am deist But a spiritual one. Life is deep and spiritual. There is God, the ultimate mind that spawns and encapsulates all reality. Don't waste your life with Atheism brothers. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by ooman(m): 2:38pm On May 02, 2015 |
DeepSight: That being you describe is not the God of religion. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by DeepSight(m): 2:47pm On May 02, 2015 |
ooman: Well to some extent you are right. However the intrinsic idea is not too different. Of course the religions embellish that idea with all sorts of nonsensical and superstitious ideas and legends. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by plaetton: 2:48pm On May 02, 2015 |
DeepSight:I really don't know what can be rational about "spiritual". Hhhmm. I find it funny that when it pleases the mind, god is a personality. At other times, god is a force. Sometimes, god is not only the begetter of natural laws, but is also the laws itself. When suitable, god is the all-pervading pulsating Energy that stretches from infinity to infinity. Funny that god is all this and all that, but you would readily agree that we(including you) , lack the capacity to see, hear, detect, measure or calculate god in any space. Yet he is all that. But today, according your wordy highness, god is a mind, a super mind. I put it to you, sir, that God is a product of mind. The qualities you and others attribute to god tells us, in very clear terms, where god is created, nurtured, and lives from everlasting to everlasting: In your mind. 4 Likes |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by ooman(m): 3:02pm On May 02, 2015 |
DeepSight: Thanks for the reply. That's what I wanted to point out. If God is strictly defined as you did, I will have no problem with [such] God. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by johnydon22(m): 3:12pm On May 02, 2015 |
DeepSight: Now.. How did you get to know about this God? what are the characteristics of this God? Is this your God a living entity or not? just for a start... |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by KoloOyinbo(m): 3:45pm On May 02, 2015 |
plaetton: We know God exists in our minds and can prove that. He may well exist elsewhere in reality! We can never prove for or against on that one. So you position is neither logical nor rational. By rejecting the possibility of God you show as much Faith as the Deist. Only the Agnostic can claim a fully rational position. (Have you guys ANY knowledge of philosophy or logic) All I hear seems to be the Atheists restating the same old boring position without any more shred of proof than the Deists who at least acknowledge that their position is supported only by FAITH. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by plaetton: 4:26pm On May 02, 2015 |
[quote author=KoloOyinbo post=33347490] We know God exists in our minds and can prove that. He may well exist elsewhere in reality! We can never prove for or against on that one. So you position is neither logical nor rational. By rejecting the possibility of God you show as much Faith as the Deist. Only the Agnostic can claim a fully rational position. (Have you guys ANY knowledge of philosophy or logic) All I hear seems to be the Atheists restating the same old boring position without any more shred of proof than the Deists who at least acknowledge that their position is supported only by FAITH. [/quot ] How exactly does one go about proving a negative ? God does not exist because I don't see him, and I have known no one that has. That is a starter. Now, other than bringing him to dinner or inviting him to kick the opening ball at a world cup soccer opener, the onus is on you to show or prove that he exists , and perhaps lives in the Alpha Nebula Galaxy system. It is patently absurd to ask an atheist to prove that God doesn't exist, given that the atheist disbelieves in the existence of god because he has neither seen, heard or used any known instrument to detect god. As an atheist, I have better faith in the existence of Higgs-Bosson, Antimatter, Dark matter, Tachyons, or even Klingons than god. We can device instruments, like the Super Hedron Collider, to search for, confirm or disprove of all of the above, now or in the future. Like I pointed out before, the agnostic position is not really a position in the real sense. It's simply a halfway house intended to ready the inquiring mind towards the lonely and dreaded position of a non-god reality. Most people, for fear of commitment, and some, for lack of impetus for further explorations, decide to stay put and safe by calling themselves agnostics. Agnosticism is not a position. It is the lack of a position. I know, because I was there not too long ago, after saying good bye to religion and faith. 3 Likes |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by johnydon22(m): 4:29pm On May 02, 2015 |
KoloOyinbo: Is anything else needs saying |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by johnydon22(m): 4:33pm On May 02, 2015 |
KoloOyinbo: Let me cut this short to fully demonstrate the atheist position. I say: I believe their is a flying pink horse ( belief requires faith) You say: I don't believe you, prove it.. ( Can you detect any faith in this?) now You say: Their is a God (You believe by faith) An atheist says : I don't believe you, prove it. (Meaning atheists lack faith) So you see, Atheist lack belief in every God concepts. . .Just like you lack faith in the God Thor, this doesn't mean you need faith to disbelieve Thor. If you contrast your lack of belief in other God concepts that you are atheistic towards, then you will fully understand the atheist position. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion: Kolooyinbo Explains. by KoloOyinbo(m): 4:39pm On May 02, 2015 |
johnydon22: Atheists lack Faith in MY position but HAVE Faith in theirs. _ A little more logical though will eliminate these basic errors. |
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