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Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by menesheh(m): 9:43pm On May 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Just thanks for listening to PROFFESOR RICHARD DAWKINS anyway. Just continue, a day is coming soon |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by menesheh(m): 9:57pm On May 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Hitler was a catholic (a Christian) research well 1 Like |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by johnydon22(m): 10:00pm On May 05, 2015 |
menesheh: I think you are missing the point here. . . the point was that hitlers actions were evil and that is it. . whatever he is. . he was giving me example of evil deeds. . please first understand the contest before. |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by johnydon22(m): 10:01pm On May 05, 2015 |
menesheh: Who will be thanked for listening to you then bro. . . i think you should air your own opinion on this. |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by menesheh(m): 10:07pm On May 05, 2015 |
johnydon22: I get ur point cus i ve been following your argument but just a contribution to his insistence on hitler and athiesm which is off point on what actions constitutes an evil act of which he is not capable of answering. |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by menesheh(m): 10:10pm On May 05, 2015 |
johnydon22: Just an emotional feeling about dawkins. I cherish the guy's arguments and boldness in the pursuit of what is fact not emotional. |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by malvisguy212: 10:11pm On May 05, 2015 |
plaetton:ok, All atheists agreed, evil is a concept,Without God, morality is just subjective, it would just one person's opinion versus another. There is no true "evil" under subjective morality because your concept of evil would be different than Hitler's concept of evil. How could you compare the two concepts? Objective morality indicate that particular actions or ideas are right and wrong regardless of human opinion,meaning there is a moral code in which we can measure morality beyond the HUMAN BRAIN. The great writer C.S. Lewis points out that the moral code is not always the standard which we follow but it is the standard that we want others to follow when treating us. http://www.truthaccordingtoscripture.com/documents/apologetics/mere-christianity/Book1/cs-lewis-mere-christianity-book1.php#. When we mistreat others, we want mercy. When someone mistreats us, we want justice.and you guys called this a concept? Seriously? I don't know what to say anymore, let me repeat what I say to Johnny on the other thread Eyes are of no use when the mind is blind. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions.” He thought for a moment, then added: “And lit with electric lights" |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by malvisguy212: 10:18pm On May 05, 2015 |
wordcat:I paste the thread for your answer but it look like you did not read it, let me paste the written here; One of the most common reasons skeptics reject the existence of God is due to the presence of evil in this universe. They reason that a perfect God would not create a universe in which evil exists. Skeptics claim that since God created everything that God must have also created evil. They even cite Bible verses, such as: '' I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. ( Isaiah 45:7, KJV)'' '' Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? ( Amos 3:6, KJV)'' '' Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? ( Lamentations 3:38)'' However, evil is not really a created thing. You can't see, touch, feel, smell or hear evil. It is not one of the fundamental forces of physics, nor does it consist of matter, energy, or the spatial dimensions of the universe. Still, skeptics like to claim that God created evil and cite the Bible to "prove" their point. The Bible is quite clear that God is not the author of evil and insists that He is incapable of. doing so. Skeptics love the KJV so much, one would think that they were still back in medieval England. Use of this translation is problematic these days, since it uses an archaic version of modern English, which doesn't necessarily mean the same things today as when it was translated over 400 years ago. In addition, the KJV was produced using a limited number of medieval manuscripts that did not represent the earliest Alexandrian set of manuscripts. WHAT DO THE MODERN TRANSLATION SAY? 1.Isaiah 45:7. The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these. ( Isaiah 45:7, NASB) I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things. ( Isaiah 45:7, NIV) Isaiah 45:7 contrasts opposites. Darkness is the opposite of light. However, evil is not the opposite of peace. The Hebrew word translated "peace" is shampoo, which has many meanings, mostly related to the well being of individuals. Râ‛âh, the Hebrew word translated "evil" in the KJV often refers to adversity or calamity. There are two forms of the word. Strong's H7451a most often refers to moral evil, whereas Strong's H7451b (the form used here) most often refers to calamity or distress. Obviously, "calamity" is a better antonym of "peace" than "evil." 2.Amos3:6. If a trumpet is blown in a city will not the people tremble? If a calamity occurs in a city has not the LORD done it? ( Amos 3:6, NASB) When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble? When disaster comes to a city, has not the LORD caused it? ( Amos 3:6, NIV) Likewise, Amos 3:6 uses the same word, râ‛âh, referring to calamity or disaster. the context (a disaster happening to a city) does not refer to moral evil. 3. Lamentations 3:38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come? ( Lamentations 3:38, NIV) Is it not from the mouth of the Most High That both good and ill go forth? ( Lamentations 3:38, NASB) The King James Version of Lamentations 3:38 seems to suggest that God speaks both good and evil. However, if one reads the verse in context, the preceding verses indicate that God does not do or approve of evil. The verse following indicates that people should not complain in view of their sins. What the verse really is saying that God decrees times of good things and times of judgment. Lamentations was written by Jeremiah during a time of judgment, when Judah had gone off into exile. Jeremiah was chosen by God to be the prophet to tell Judah to reform or be judged. The people did not believe Jeremiah, and, therefore, fell under God's judgment. In Lamentations 3:38, the word translated "good" is ṭôb (Strong's H2896). The word usually refers to good things as opposed to bad things. Again, râ‛âh does not refer to moral evil, but calamities, in this verse. Likewise, the Bible commentaries indicate that the verse refers to God's judgment based upon people's sin Conclusion; God is not the author of evil. However, God does reward and punish on the basis of good and bad behavior. Therefore, God does bring judgment and calamity (either directly or through human authorities) on those who rebel. God will ultimately judge all people, since rebels will not be allowed in the new, perfect creation. |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by johnydon22(m): 10:25pm On May 05, 2015 |
I wonder when this guy will stop this copy and paste that practically is always out of context. . . He thinks he is talking with muslims that they exchange copy and paste wars. #Sighs... i throw ma hands up 3 Likes |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by wordcat(m): 10:32pm On May 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Ndo. Sorry 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by Nobody: 12:00am On May 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: As Johny has said previously, if you want to be taken seriously, present your argument in a concise manner rather than blocks of texts. Once again, at least give credit to the orignal writers, in this case Rich Deem http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/evil.html 2 Likes |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by Nobody: 12:03am On May 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Simply look-up utilitarianism. |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by malvisguy212: 6:48am On May 06, 2015 |
DProDG:http://www.utilitarianism.com/utilitarianism.html Jeremy Bentham and John Stuart Mill that an action is right if it tends to promote happiness and wrong if it tends to produce the reverse of happiness—NOT just the happiness of the performer of the action but also that of EVERYONE AFFECTED BY IT. I still maintain,evil is beyond human brain and not a concept,I have seen a little boy that is illiterate but when it come to evil, he is an expert, does it come from his concept? |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by johnydon22(m): 6:51am On May 06, 2015 |
Malvisguy Human morality is as a result of empathy and compassion.... too bad you theists yours is as a result of fear of hell and hope for reward, thats why i have been asking you ur standard for recognizing morality but you cant even answer that.... next time you want to debate stop the copy and paste and bring on your own words... 1 Like |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by johnydon22(m): 6:52am On May 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Simple question question, is evil a thing (material thing)? yes or No? |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by malvisguy212: 6:54am On May 06, 2015 |
DProDG:I produced rich deem homepage link on many occasion, but the atheists don't click the link, I paste one of rich deem teaching to pleatton on why natural disaster must happened, but he called me a lazy man. Thank you for posting it, maby this time they will tak it serious. Rich deem is a genius, he is a tormentors of atheists. |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by malvisguy212: 6:55am On May 06, 2015 |
johnydon22:now I believe, you did not read the op before commenting, I will Not answer you until you read the op. Good morning. |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by johnydon22(m): 6:57am On May 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: for crying out loud present your own arguments not copy other people's work. . . Natural disasters are all natural and any learned man know their causes... Told you before atheist do not blame an imaginary deity for anything, they only use that language when a theist start thanking a god for a good fortune then atheist present the bad ones and ask y the deity left that part. |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by johnydon22(m): 6:59am On May 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Lmao i freaking read the Op, i was even the one that refuted it line after line...simple question.. Is evil a thing? yes or no. (you keep dodging questions) |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by malvisguy212: 7:04am On May 06, 2015 |
johnydon22:see, I have even forget hell exist until I joined nairaland where Hell is one of the most discus issue here.read the post I quoted to pleatton, I did not ignore you, I waited to here the view of many atheists on" evil is a concept", Alas they agreed with you, you guys a very wrong. 1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by malvisguy212: 7:06am On May 06, 2015 |
johnydon22:then why are you asking? The answer is in the op . |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by johnydon22(m): 7:07am On May 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Can you just answer my question...is evil a thing? yes or no... should i start shouting it? |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by johnydon22(m): 7:08am On May 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: I need just. a simple Yes or No from you... why are you dodging.. (are you scared) |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by malvisguy212: 7:12am On May 06, 2015 |
johnydon22:even though I do not copy and paste, but you keep on saying this in all your post. I got most of this idea from C Lewis (a former atheists) on stealing from God.but you keep on accusing me of copy and paste. Keep it up. |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by johnydon22(m): 7:15am On May 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: scroll up and see where DProDG provided the link to most of your post here, even your op is also a copy and paste which he also provided a link to.. Now please answer my question, Is evil a thing? (yes or no)... chai |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by malvisguy212: 7:17am On May 06, 2015 |
johnydon22:you claimed you read the thread dint you come across this; To explain why, we need to go back to Augustine who puzzled over the following argument: 1. God created all things. 2. Evil is a thing. 3. Therefore, God created evil. Then what kind of trick you want to play? |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by malvisguy212: 7:20am On May 06, 2015 |
johnydon22:you are a liar a father of it, am I not the first that provide the link DProDG provide? I even paste it to pleatton on one thread. Pleased don't quote me if you are bias. Respect!!! |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by frank317: 7:21am On May 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Why is the word concept had for u to understand? What do u mean by "does it come from his concept"? This question just shows you don't even understand what has been explained to u. No wonder quickly believe a a spirit got a virgin pregnant. If an Illiterate boy is expert in evil how does the act fail to be a concept? Isn't it his undesirable action that is labeled evil? What has being literate got to do with acting out in an unfairly manner to people. Guy, its a concept because evil can't be seen, its just a name given to an extremely unfair situation on us either by nature or others around us. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by johnydon22(m): 7:21am On May 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: hahahahaha now i got what i want... so evil is a thing and not a name humans ascribe to ACTIONS and events that is not favourable to the general human well being or survival... Good.. Now give me one example of evil that is a thing... (please don't point at actions or event i want you to tell me the thing) |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by johnydon22(m): 7:25am On May 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: On another thread... i think you need to read this thread again... lol.. oga what we need is first hand argument from the brain of the debator not copy and paste.. YOu are not debating muslims that you all embark on copy and paste work... we need first hand brain work when debating an atheist. Go and learn then come back |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by malvisguy212: 7:27am On May 06, 2015 |
johnydon22:your trick is very childish and you failed woefully. Augustine do not stop there, continue reading my friends; "How could a good God create evil? If those first two premises are true, He did, and this is a God problem. So God must not be good after all. But then Augustine realized that the second premise is not true. While evil is real, it's not a "thing." Evil doesn't exist on its own. It only exists as a lack or a deficiency in a good thing. Evil is like rust in a car: If you take all of the rust out of a car, you have a better car; if you take the car out of the rust, you have nothing. g. In other words, evil only makes sense against the backdrop of good." They say you can forced a cow to the river but you can't forced the cow to drink water, in this case, I did. |
Re: Why Evil Disproves Atheism by Misogynist2014(m): 7:29am On May 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212:Evil is not evil when it is used to counter evil. |
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