ooman:
There is no holy spirit. There is only sick people hallucinating about spirits that dont exist

dear God please dash this mumu sense

Op this your question also bothers me a lot . because atimes when some thing tells me some I don't know if its just my mind or the holy spirit because I know that I have derailed from doing what God expects of me, so when something pricks my mind ill say this can't be Holy spirit cos my mind is very dirty now . Infact my own worst pass.

God breathed Conscience to Adam to know right and wrong. Adam followed wrong and failed. The Son of man came to show us the difference between right and wrong and how to become the Son of God that He might send us the Holy Spirit that will make us righteous forever.

The Holy Spirit and our conscience are different. God speaks to us through the two. In the olden days when the Holy Spirit has not been given, God dealt with men through their conscience. The conscience tells you the right thing to do as is required by nature. It is the policeman that pricks one whenever one does something wrongly. It is inside both Christians and non-christians.

The Holy Spirit is a personality. He is not a force or thing. He is alive. Only Christians have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them, alongside their conscience. The two are there to make a Christian realise his mistakes instantly and with the strength of the Holy Spirit amend his ways. The Holy Spirit is there to prick one's heart when one sins, even when one has silenced one's conscience. When the Holy Spirit speaks, He speals in line with the Scriptures, but this depends on how one studies the Scriptures. The more one studies, the more He uses them to speak to one.

Therefore, one needs to give time to study God's word. The more one studies God's word, the nearer one draws to the Holy Spirit, and the clearer one hears His voice. It is when one is nearer to someone that one can hear him clearly, even when the speaker whispers. One can deaden or overshadow one's conscience but the voice of the Holy Spirit keeps speaking in its calm nature to the person. To differentiate between the two will be somehow difficult to one who does have time to study God's word.

You waste your time chasing after what "some anonymous Pastor said." Does he really exist?

If you had THE HOLY GHOST, you would keep The Commandments of Lord Yahshua, and teach HIS Teachings.

. JOHN 14:21-27.

21. "He that hath my Commandments,
and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me
shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him,
and will manifest myself
to him."
22. Judas saith unto him,
not Iscariot,
"Lord, how is it
that thou wilt
manifest thyself unto us,
and not unto the World?"
23. Jesus answered
and said unto him,
"If a man love me,
he will keep my Words:
and my Father
will love him,
and we will come unto him,
and make our abode
with him.
24. "He that loveth me not
keepeth not my Sayings:
and the Word which ye hear
is not mine,
but The Father's
Which sent me.
25. "These things
have I spoken unto you,
being yet present with you.
26. "But The Comforter,
Which is The Holy Ghost,
Whom The Father
will send in my Name,
He shall teach you
all things,
and bring all things
to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have said
unto you.
27. "Peace I leave with you,
my Peace I give unto you:
not as the World giveth,
give I unto you.
Let not your heart
be troubled,
neither let it
be afraid."

You do not do that, so you havr no connection to GOD whatsoever- no matter what PASTOR you PAID to tell you otherwise.

SHALOM!

Barnabaseloka:
The Holy Spirit and our conscience are different. God speaks to us through the two. In the olden days when the Holy Spir[left][/left]it has not been given, God dealt with men through their conscience. The conscience tells you the right thing to do as is required by nature. It is the policeman that pricks one whenever one does something wrongly. It is inside both Christians and non-christians.

. JOHN 14:21-27.

21. "He that hath my Commandments,
and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me
shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him,
and will manifest myself
to him."
22. Judas saith unto him,
not Iscariot,
"Lord, how is it
that thou wilt
manifest thyself unto us,
and not unto the World?"
23. Jesus answered
and said unto him,
"If a man love me,
he will keep my Words:
and my Father
will love him,
and we will come unto him,
and make our abode
with him.
24. "He that loveth me not
keepeth not my Sayings:
and the Word which ye hear
is not mine,
but The Father's
Which sent me.
25. "These things
have I spoken unto you,
being yet present with you.
26. "But The Comforter,
Which is The Holy Ghost,
Whom The Father
will send in my Name,
He shall teach you
all things,
and bring all things
to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have said
unto you.
27. "Peace I leave with you,
my Peace I give unto you:
not as the World giveth,
give I unto you.
Let not your heart
be troubled,
neither let it
be afraid."

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE HOLY GHOST TO BE INSIDE NON-CHRISTIANS.

. ISAIAH 55:6-11.

6. Seek ye The LORD
while He may be found,
call ye upon Him while he is near:
7. Let the Wicked forsake his Way,
and the Unrighteous man his Thoughts:
and let him return unto The LORD,
and He will have Mercy upon him;
and to our God,
for He will abundantly pardon.

8. "For My Thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways My Ways," saith The LORD.
9. "For as the Heavens are higher
than the Earth,
so are My Ways
higher than your ways,
and My Thoughts than your thoughts.
10. "For as the rain cometh down,
and the snow from Heaven,
and returneth not thither,
but watereth the Earth,
and maketh it bring forth and bud,
that it may give seed to the sower,
and bread to the eater:
11. "So shall My Word be
that goeth forth out of My Mouth:
It shall not return unto Me void,
but It shall accomplish that
which I please,
and It shall prosper
in the thing whereto I sent It."

[color =silver].[/color] AMOS 3:3.

3. "Can two walk together,
except they be agreed?"

GOD OPERATES ON SEVEN HIGHER LEVELS OF WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING THAN NON-CHRISTIANS.

How then, can THE HOLY GHOST POSSIBLY be INSIDE or SPEAK TO a NON-CHRISTIAN?

The GAP between them is TOO GREAT!

The Holy Spirit is a personality. He is not a force or thing. He is alive. Only Christians have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them, alongside their conscience.

THIS TOTALLY CONTRADICTS WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE.

Barnabaseloka:
It is inside both Christians and non-christians.

The Holy Ghost is not an "IT," The Holy Ghost is a "HE."

GENDER has significance in the Spiritual Realm.

The two are there to make a Christian realise his mistakes instantly and with the strength of the Holy Spirit amend his ways.

THAT IS TOTAL BULLSHIT.

Where was "THE STRENGTH OF THE HOLY GHOST" when PETER killed ANANIAS AND SAPPHIRA?

How was neither the CONSCIENCE of the 120 and more HOLY GHOST BAPTIZED EARLY CHURCH, nor The Holy Ghost able to TELL any of them that what they were doing, violating:

. MATTHEW 6:1-4.

"Take heed
that ye do not your alms
before men,
to be seen of them:
otherwise ye have
no Reward of your Father
Which is in Heaven.
2. "Therefore when thou
doest thine alms,
do not sound a trumpet
before thee,
as the Hypocrites do
in the Synagogues
and in the streets,
that they may have
glory of men.
Verily I say unto you,

'THEY HAVE THEIR REWARD.'

3. "But when thou doest alms,
let not thy left hand know
what thy right hand doeth:
4. "That thine alms
may be in secret:
and thy Father
Which Seeth
in Secret Himself
shall Reward thee openly."

. JOHN 12:44-50.

44. Jesus cried and said,
"He that believeth on me,
believeth not on me,
but on Him that sent me.
45. "And he that seeth me
seeth Him that sent me.
46. "I am come
a Light into the World,
that whosoever believeth on me
should not abide in Darkness.
47. "And if any man hear my Words,
and believe not,
I Judge him not:
for I came not
to Judge the World,
but to Save the World.
48. "He that rejecteth me,
and receiveth not my Words,
hath One that judgeth him:
the Word that I have spoken,
the same shall Judge him
in The Last Day.
49. "For I have not spoken of myself;
but The Father which sent me,
He gave me a Commandment,
what I should say,
and what I should speak.
50. "And I know that His Commandment
is Life Everlasting:
whatsoever I speak therefore,
even as The Father said unto me,
so I speak."

The Holy Spirit is there to prick one's heart when one sins, even when one has silenced one's conscience. When the Holy Spirit speaks, He speals in line with the Scriptures, but this depends on how one studies the Scriptures. The more one studies, the more He uses them to speak to one.

DO YOU HAVE ANY SCRIPTURAL PROOF OF THIS AT ALL- OR ARE YOU JUST MAKING UP THEORIES TO MISLEAD PEOPLE, NOT CARING IF YOU ARE SINKING PEOPLE INTO ERROR?

If THE HOLY GHOST were "pricking YOUR conscience," or "speaking to YOU," would HE not TELL you to SPEAK THE WORDS OF GOD BY YAHSHUA, and NOT YOUR OWN Words?

. JOHN 3:34-36.

34. "For he whom God hath sent
speaketh The Words of God:
for God giveth not The Spirit
by measure (unto him).
35. "The Father loveth The Son,
and hath given all things
into his Hand.
36. "He that believeth on The Son
hath Everlasting Life:
and he that believeth not The Son
shall not see Life;
but The Wrath of God
abideth on him."

SO YOUR THEORY DOES NOT EVEN WORK FOR YOU!

. JOHN 16:12-15.

12. "I have yet many things
to say unto you,
but ye cannot bear them now.
13. "Howbeit when He,
The Spirit of Truth,
is come,
He will guide you into all Truth:
for He shall not speak of Himself;
but whatsoever He shall hear,
that shall He speak:
and He will shew you
things to come.
14. "He shall glorify me:
for He shall receive of mine,
and shall shew it unto you.
15. "All things
that The Father hath
are mine:
therefore said I,

’THAT HE SHALL TAKE OF MINE,
AND SHALL SHEW IT
UNTO YOU.' "

Therefore, one needs to give time to study God's word. The more one studies God's word, the nearer one draws to the Holy Spirit, and the clearer one hears His voice.

IF STUDYING THE WORD IS NECESSARY TO HEAR THE HOLY GHOST, HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT HE IS INSIDE NON-CHRISTIANS?

. AMOS 3:3.

3. "Can two walk together,
except they be agreed?"

. MATTHEW 9:16-17.

16. "No man putteth
a piece of new cloth
unto an old garment,
for that which is put in
to fill it up
taketh from the garment,
and the rent is made worse.
17. "Neither do men
put new wine into old bottles:
else the bottles break,
and the wine runneth out,
and the bottles perish:
but they put new wine
into new bottles,
and both are preserved."

IF THE SPIRIT OF GOD WERE INSIDE A SINNER, THEY WOULD EXPLODE!

That was the entire POINT of THE GOSPEL: to MAKE people ABLE to receive The Holy Ghost- AND LIVE!

It is when one is nearer to someone that one can hear him clearly, even when the speaker whispers. One can deaden or overshadow one's conscience but the voice of the Holy Spirit keeps speaking in its calm nature to the person.

. ISAIAH 59:1-4.

BEHOLD, The LORD's Hand is
not shortened,
that It cannot Save;
neither His ear heavy,
that It cannot Hear:
2. But your Iniquities have separated
between you and your God,
and your Sins have hid
His Face from you,
that he will not Hear.
3. For your hands are defiled with Blood,
and your fingers with iniquity;
your lips have spoken Lies, your tongue hath muttered Perverseness.
4. None calleth for Justice,
nor any pleadeth for Truth:
they trust in Vanity,
and speak Lies;
they conceive Mischief,
and bring forth Iniquity.

EVEN IF GOD WERE SPEAKING RIGHT NEXT TO A SINNER, THEY WOULD NOT HEAR ANYTHING, BECAUSE THEIR SINS (IGNORANT VIOLATIONS OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD,) AND INIQUITIES (DELIBERATE VIOLATIONS OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD,) FORM A SHIELD OF CONDENSED SPIRITUAL ENERGY OVER THEIR SOUL BODY, THROUGH WHICH NO SPIRITUAL POWER CAN PENETRATE WHILE THEY ARE CONSCIOUS AND ALIVE.

To differentiate between the two will be somehow difficult to one who does have time to study God's word.

Do you even bother to PROOF-READ the RUBBISH you write?

Have you not in fact written the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you MEANT to say?

OR, do you REALLY BELIEVE that if you had time to study GOD'S WORD, you would be UNABLE TO DIFFERENTIATE between THE VOICE OF GOD, and YOUR OWN CONSCIENCE?

That is one of the STUPIDEST things I have EVER heard!

oaroloye:


.   EXODUS 20:1-23.

AND God spake all these Words, saying,

2. "I am The LORD thy God,
Which have brought thee
out of the land of Egypt,
out of the House of Bondage.

3. "Thou shalt have no other gods
before Me.

4. "Thou shalt not make unto thee
any graven image,
or any likeness of any thing
that is in Heaven above,
or that is in the Earth beneath,
or that is in the Water under the Earth:
5. "Thou shalt not
bow down thyself to them,
nor serve them:
for I the LORD thy God
am a Jealous God,
visiting the iniquity of the fathers
upon the Children
unto the Third and Fourth Generation
of them that Hate Me;
6. "And shewing Mercy
unto thousands of them
that Love Me,
and keep My Commandments.

7. "Thou shalt not take
The Name of the LORD thy God
in vain;
for The LORD will not
hold him Guiltless
that taketh His Name in vain.

8. "Remember The Sabbath Day,
to keep it Holy.
9. "Six days shalt thou labour,
and do all thy work:
10. "But the seventh day
is The Sabbath of The LORD thy God:
in it thou shalt not do any work,
thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter,
thy manservant, nor thy maidservant,
nor thy cattle,
nor thy stranger
that is within thy gates:
11. "For in six days The LORD
made Heaven and Earth, the Sea,
and all that in them is,
and rested the seventh day:
wherefore The LORD
Blessed The Sabbath Day,
and Hallowed It.

12. "Honour thy father and thy mother:
that thy days may be long
upon the land which The LORD thy God
giveth thee.

13. "Thou shalt not Kill.

14. "Thou shalt not commit Adultery.

15. "Thou shalt not Steal.

16. "Thou shalt not bear False Witness
against thy Neighbour.

17. "Thou shalt not Covet
thy Neighbour's House,
thou shalt not Covet
thy Neighbour's Wife,
nor his Manservant,
nor his Maidservant,
nor his Ox, nor his Ass,
nor Any Thing
that is thy Neighbour's."

18. And all the people saw the thunderings,
and the lightnings,
and the noise of the trumpet,
and the mountain smoking:
and when the people saw it,
they removed,
and stood afar off.

19. And they said unto Moses,

"Speak thou with us,
and we will hear:
but let not God speak with us,
lest we die."

20. And Moses said unto the people,

"Fear not: for God is come to prove you,
and that His Fear may be before your faces,
that ye Sin not."

21. And the people stood afar off,
and Moses drew near
unto the Thick Darkness where God was.

22. And The LORD said unto Moses,

"Thus thou shalt say
unto the Children of Israel,

'YE HAVE SEEN
THAT I HAVE TALKED WITH YOU
FROM HEAVEN.
23. 'YE SHALL NOT MAKE WITH ME
GODS OF SILVER,
NEITHER SHALL YE MAKE UNTO YOU
GODS OF GOLD.'

24. "An Altar of Earth
thou shalt make unto Me,
and shalt Sacrifice thereon
thy Burnt Offerings,
and thy Peace Offerings,
thy sheep, and thine oxen:
in all places where I Record my Name
I will come unto thee,
and I will Bless thee.
25. "And if thou wilt make Me
an Altar of Stone,
thou shalt not build it
of hewn stone:
for if thou lift up thy tool upon it,
thou hast polluted it.
26. "Neither shalt thou
go up by steps unto mine Altar,
that thy unclothedness
be not discovered thereon."

THE AVERAGE ABOVE-AVERAGE CHRISTIAN WILL BE COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF THIS BACKGROUND HISTORY OF THE COVENANT- HAVING EITHER FORGOTTEN ALL ABOUT THE RECEPTION OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, OR ELSE ONLY THINKING ABOUT THEM ON THE DISSOCIATIVE LEVEL.

.    THE FOUR LEVELS OF PERCEPTION.

4. DIFFERENTIATION: the sane and intelligent ability
to perceive the differences between similar things.

3. ASSOCIATION: the sane and intelligent ability
to perceive the similarities between different things.

2. IDENTIFICATION: the insane and stupid inability
to perceive the differences between different things.

1. DISSOCIATION: the insane and stupid inability
to perceive the similarities between similar things.

0. DEATH: the inability to perceive anything at all.

[See: THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THOUGHT, by L. Ron Hubbard.]

THERE ARE FOUR DISTINCT SPIRITUAL ENERGY LEVELS, WHICH ONE ONE IS IN DETERMINES THE LEVEL OF ONE'S ABILITY TO PERCEIVE.

.   REVELATION 22:11.

11. "He that is UNJUST,
let him be Unjust still:
and he which is FILTHY,
let him be Filthy still:
and he that is RIGHTEOUS,
let him be Righteous still:
and he that is HOLY,
let him be Holy still."

THEREFORE, YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, AND WOULD BE WELL-ADVISED TO STOP BLASPHEMING, IMMEDIATELY!

The nation of Israel THOUGHT THAT THEY WOULD DIE when GOD SPOKE TO THEM.

You are IGNORANT to think that GOD TALKS TO SINNERS, and they REMAIN SINNERS, or that GOD NEEDS US to "STUDY HIS WORD" before HIS SPIRIT can SPEAK to us!

If that were so, HOW DID SCRIPTURE GET INSPIRED in the FIRST place?

CLEARLY, you just READ A LOT OF BIBLE, then PICK SOMETHING from what you read, and DELUDE YOURSELF that GOD is Speaking to YOU!

You feel so important- thinking that THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH is Speaking to YOU!

THAT is SELF-EXALTATION.

. LUKE 14:7-11.

7. And he put forth a Parable
to those which were bidden,
when he marked how
they chose out the chief rooms;
saying unto them,

8. "When thou art
bidden of any man to a wedding,
sit not down in the highest room;
lest a more honourable man
than thou be bidden of him;
9. "And he that bade thee and him
come and say to thee,

'GIVE THIS MAN PLACE;'

and thou begin with shame
to take the lowest room.
10. "But when thou art bidden,
go and sit down in the lowest room;
that when he that bade thee cometh,
he may say unto thee,

'FRIEND, GO UP HIGHER:'

then shalt thou have worship
in the presence of them
that sit at meat with thee.
11. "For whosoever exalteth himself
shall be abased;
and he that humbleth himself
shall be exalted."

YOU PROMOTED YOURSELF INTO THE SAME CLASS WITH THE PROPHETS.

. ISAIAH 64:4.

4. For since The Beginning of the World
(men) have not heard,
nor perceived by the ear,
neither hath the eye seen,
O God,
beside Thee,
(what) He hath prepared for him
that waiteth for Him.

THERE IS NO RECEIVING THE HOLY GHOST FIRST- THEN TRYING TO AGREE WITH GOD LATER!