POPE IN KISSINGER.
This reverend gentleman was expounding biblical prophecies. He went on to prove that the christian bible foretold the rise of Soviet Russia, and the last days. At one stage he went to the extent of proving that his holy book did not leave even the pope out its predictions. He expaciated vigorously in order too convince his audience that the "Beast 666" mentioned in the book of Revelation the last book of the new testament was the POPE, who was the vicar of christ on earth. it is not befitting for us Muslims to enter into this controversy between the Roman Catholics and protestants. By the way, the latest christian exposition of the "Beast 666" of the christian bible is Dr. Henry kissinger. Christian scholars are in genious and indefatigable in their efforts to prove their case.
Rev. Hiten's lectures led me to ask that if the bible foretold so many things not even excluding the "pope" and "isreal", then surely it must have something to say about the greatest benefactor of mankind the Holy prophet Muhammad (S.A.W).
As a youngster I set out to search for an answer. I met priest after priest, attended lectures, and read everything that I could lay my hands reacting to the field of bible prophecies. Here, I am going to narrate to you one of these interviews with a dominee of the Dutch Reformed church.
By Kenny salami (ksalam)

Ma Bilbe never mentioned or talked abt a mad man known as muhamMAD
Nufin relating to him at all
Far far before d plague(muhamMAD) was born, d Book has bin written
So muslims shld stop mixing or tinking or believing wad one old man told dem da d mad man is in d Bible

cant you always air your views without sounding stup!d?? I'm not a moslem (muslim), but what you wrote up there is rubbbish

OREMUSSANCTUS:
Ma Bilbe never mentioned or talked abt a mad man known as muhamMAD
Nufin relating to him at all
Far far before d plague(muhamMAD) was born, d Book has bin written
So muslims shld stop mixing or tinking or believing wad one old man told dem da d mad man is in d Bible

Braaad:
cant you always air your views without sounding stup!d?? I'm not a moslem (muslim), but what you wrote up there is rubbbish

bro, ma rite to free speech is wad am exercising
its better ya go swim inside d lagoon
pls dont quote me if ya got nufin reasonable to say

Mtcheeeeeeew......

Because you have freedom of speech, you have to come to a public forum to show everybody how clouded your reasoning is abi?? How old are you by the way??

OREMUSSANCTUS:


bro, ma rite to free speech is wad am exercising
its better ya go swim inside d lagoon
pls dont quote me if ya got nufin reasonable to say

Braaad:
Because you have freedom of speech, you have to come to a public forum to show everybody how clouded your reasoning is abi?? How old are you by the way??

U wanna know ma age?
One tin is for sure, am old enough to penetrate ya menopaused moda and get her pregnant

ksalam0001:
the greatest benefactor of mankind the Holy prophet Muhammad )

how is muhammed the greatest prophet? It was through the seed of Abraham mankind populated the world,Isaac,jecob, Moses,joseph, David,solomon e.t.c heard directly from God and muhammed on the other hand never heard direct from God and you called him the greatest prophet? unbelievable!!you need Jesus to healed you from this satanic lies.

I am muslim and the bible don't say anything about our prophet I mean the book called holy bible

Man listen Yehweh is really busy fighting Dragons and Sea monsters and Unicorns
He is busy right know

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Lucky thirteen.
I was invited to the transval to deliver a talk on the occasion of the Birthday celebration of the Holy prophet Muhammad. I indicated my purpose to the priests that I was interested in having a dialogue with them, but they all refused my request with plausible excuses. No 13 was my lucky number. The 13th call brought me pleasure and relief. A dominee Vwn heerden agreed to meet me at his home on Saturday afternoon that I was to leave for transvaal.
He received me on his verandah with a friendly welcome. He said if I did not mind, he would like his father in-law (a 7oyr old man) to join us in the discussion. I did not mind. The three of us settled down in the dominee's library.
Look forward to what happen In the next few minutes...

ksalam0001:
Lucky thirteen.
I was invited to the transval to deliver a talk on the occasion of the Birthday celebration of the Holy prophet Muhammad. I indicated my purpose to the priests that I was interested in having a dialogue with them, but they all refused my request with plausible excuses. No 13 was my lucky number. The 13th call brought me pleasure and relief. A dominee Vwn heerden agreed to meet me at his home on Saturday afternoon that I was to leave for transvaal.
He received me on his verandah with a friendly welcome. He said if I did not mind, he would like his father in-law (a 7oyr old man) to join us in the discussion. I did not mind. The three of us settled down in the dominee's library.
Look forward to what happen In the next few minutes...

what is holy about muhammed? Can you defined holiness? A man that has killed can never be called holy, David who God called "friend"because his hand is stain with blood,God deny him the opportunity to build his house, it was solomon who build it.muhammed keep on sinning and breaking Allah rules and you called him holy?
I don't do whatssap, provide the chapter in the bible where muhammed is mention by name.do it here.

OREMUSSANCTUS:

U wanna know ma age?
One tin is for sure, am old enough to penetrate ya menopaused moda and get her pregnant

bro i thought we talked about this.....?

OREMUSSANCTUS:
Ma Bilbe never mentioned or talked abt a mad man known as muhamMAD
Nufin relating to him at all

The expected Christ and the expected Prophet:
Again, in John 1:19-21 John was asked if he were the Messiah, Elijah, and then "The Prophet": John 1:21.  In John 7:40-44, Jesus was supposed to come from David's line, while the Prophet was NOT.  He was a foreigner.  So the awaited Messiah and the awaited "the Prophet" were clearly TWO DIFFERENT PERSONS, who are strangers to each others, and are not from the same bloodline.

Let us look at the text of verses of John 1:19-21 and John 7:40-44 in details to see the two different persons to come: the Messiah (Christ) and the Prophet:

  

John 1:19-21
John the Baptist Tells People About Jesus
19 Here is the ·truth John told [testimony John gave; witness of John; 1:6] when the ·leaders [Jewish leadership; L Jews; C John often uses the term “Jews” to refer to the religious leaders in opposition to Jesus, rather than to the Jewish people generally] in Jerusalem sent ·priests and Levites [C the religious authorities; priests oversaw temple worship; Levites were members of the tribe of Levi who assisted them; 1 Chr. 23:24–32] to ask him, “Who are you?”

20 John ·spoke freely [confessed] and did not ·refuse to answer [deny it]. He said, “I am not the ·Christ [Messiah].”
21 So they asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” [C Elijah, an OT prophet, was expected to come back before the Messiah; 1 Kin. 17—2 Kin. 2; Mal. 4:5–6.]

He answered, “No, I am not.”

“Are you the Prophet?” [C the Prophet like Moses predicted in Deut. 18:15–19] they asked.
He answered, “No.”

  
John 7:40-44
The People Argue About Jesus
40 When the people heard Jesus’ words, some of them said, “This man really is the Prophet [1:21; C the “prophet like Moses” of Deut. 18:15–18].”
41 Others said, “He is the ·Christ [Messiah].” Still others said, “The ·Christ [Messiah] will not come from Galilee.

42 The Scripture says that the ·Christ [Messiah] will come from David’s ·family [offspring; L seed; 2 Sam. 7:12–16; Ps. 89:3–4; Is. 9:7; 55:3] and from Bethlehem, the ·town [village] where David lived [Mic. 5:2].”
43 So ·the people did not agree with each other [L there was a division in the crowd] about Jesus.
44 Some of them wanted to ·arrest [seize] him, but no one was able to ·touch [L lay a hand on] him.
  
Does the NT refute the Prophethood of Muhammad? [2]  A closer look at: Matthew 21:11, Mark 6:15, John 9:17, John 6:14, John 1:19-21, John 7:40-44, Acts 7.
  

2-  An Arabian Prophet was expected by the Jews of Arabia:

From some of the Muslim sources, see the following references:
  
"Bring forward the most learned among you before me."  When that man came forward, he and Muhammad spoke in private.  Finally Muhammad asked him, "Do you know that I am the Apostle of Allah?"  The rabbi answered, "By Allah! Yes, and the people know what I know.  Verily your attributes and qualities are clearly mentioned in the Torah, but they are jealous of you."  (History of Muhammad Ibn Sa'd, Volume I, Pages 188)
  
"...and he is the Prophet of these people; he is an Arab and the Jews are jealous of him wishing that he should have been an Israelite..."  (History of Muhammad Ibn Sa'd, Volume I, Pages 177)
 
'LIKE UNTO THEE' - 'Like You' 'Like Moses'. The Prophecy is much more than this single phrase which reads as follows : "I WILL RAISE THEM UP A PROPHET FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN LIKE UNTO THEE......." The emphasis is on the words- "From among their brethren." Moses and his people, the Jews, are here addressed as a racial entity, and as such their 'brethren' would undoubtedly be the arabs. You see, the Holy Bible s peaks of Abraham as the "Friend of God". Abraham had two wives - Sarah and Hagar. Hagar bore Abraham a son - HIS FIRST-BORN- '......And Abraham(11) called HIS SON'S name, which Hagar bare Ishmael.' (Genesis 16:15). 'And Abraham took Ishmael HIS SON......" (Genesis 17:23). 'And Ishmael HIS SON was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.'(Genesis 17:25). Up to the age of THIRTEEN Ishmael was the ONLY son and sed of Abraham, when the covenant was ratified between God and Abraham. God grants Abraham another son through Sarah, named Isaac, wh o was very much the junior to his brother Ishmael.

Arabs and Jews
If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham, then they are brothers. And so the children of the one are the BRETHREN of the children of the other. The children of Isaac are the Jews and the Children of Ishmael are the Arabs - so they are BRETHREN to one another. The Bible affirms, 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) SHALL DWELL IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.' (Genesis 16:12). 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) DIED IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.(Genesis 25:18). The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. In like manner Muhummed is from among the brethren of the Israeli tes beause he was a descendant of Ishamel the son of Abraham. This exactly as the prophecy has it- 'FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN'.(Deut.18:18). There the prophecy distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be like Moses, must arise NOT from the 'children of Israel' or from 'among the mselves', but from among their brethren. MUHUMMED THEREFORE WAS FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN!

eshbeewanna:


The expected Christ and the expected Prophet:
Again, in John 1:19-21 John was asked if he were the Messiah, Elijah, and then "The Prophet": John 1:21.  In John 7:40-44, Jesus was supposed to come from David's line, while the Prophet was NOT.  He was a foreigner.  So the awaited Messiah and the awaited "the Prophet" were clearly TWO DIFFERENT PERSONS, who are strangers to each others, and are not from the same bloodline.

Let us look at the text of verses of John 1:19-21 and John 7:40-44 in details to see the two different persons to come: the Messiah (Christ) and the Prophet:

  

John 1:19-21
John the Baptist Tells People About Jesus
19 Here is the ·truth John told [testimony John gave; witness of John; 1:6] when the ·leaders [Jewish leadership; L Jews; C John often uses the term “Jews” to refer to the religious leaders in opposition to Jesus, rather than to the Jewish people generally] in Jerusalem sent ·priests and Levites [C the religious authorities; priests oversaw temple worship; Levites were members of the tribe of Levi who assisted them; 1 Chr. 23:24–32] to ask him, “Who are you?”

20 John ·spoke freely [confessed] and did not ·refuse to answer [deny it]. He said, “I am not the ·Christ [Messiah].”
21 So they asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” [C Elijah, an OT prophet, was expected to come back before the Messiah; 1 Kin. 17—2 Kin. 2; Mal. 4:5–6.]

He answered, “No, I am not.”

“Are you the Prophet?” [C the Prophet like Moses predicted in Deut. 18:15–19] they asked.
He answered, “No.”

  
John 7:40-44
The People Argue About Jesus
40 When the people heard Jesus’ words, some of them said, “This man really is the Prophet [1:21; C the “prophet like Moses” of Deut. 18:15–18].”
41 Others said, “He is the ·Christ [Messiah].” Still others said, “The ·Christ [Messiah] will not come from Galilee.

42 The Scripture says that the ·Christ [Messiah] will come from David’s ·family [offspring; L seed; 2 Sam. 7:12–16; Ps. 89:3–4; Is. 9:7; 55:3] and from Bethlehem, the ·town [village] where David lived [Mic. 5:2].”
43 So ·the people did not agree with each other [L there was a division in the crowd] about Jesus.
44 Some of them wanted to ·arrest [seize] him, but no one was able to ·touch [L lay a hand on] him.

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Pls make no mistakes The Prophet prophesied by Moses and The Messiah spoken of by the prophets refers to the same person. Hear a Jew speak,"45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth,". Furthermore after His resurrection, Jesus told the disciples of,"Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me." These matters are clear enough. Even Jesus did not promise the coming of another prophet after Himself; rather He spoke of the Holy Ghost Luke 12:12, John 16:13-15.

  
Does the NT refute the Prophethood of Muhammad? [2]  A closer look at: Matthew 21:11, Mark 6:15, John 9:17, John 6:14, John 1:19-21, John 7:40-44, Acts 7.

He whose relevance would be reckoned with as regards the New Testament must be One who will walk in line with the specifics thereof as delineated in Jeremiah 31:31"33 but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." I dont want to multiply quotes here but we all know Only One Person did so - Jesus Christ hence He spoke about, remission of sins as a result of the blood He shed.


  

2-  An Arabian Prophet was expected by the Jews of Arabia:

From some of the Muslim sources, see the following references:
  
"Bring forward the most learned among you before me."  When that man came forward, he and Muhammad spoke in private.  Finally Muhammad asked him, "Do you know that I am the Apostle of Allah?"  The rabbi answered, "By Allah! Yes, and the people know what I know.  Verily your attributes and qualities are clearly mentioned in the Torah, but they are jealous of you."  (History of Muhammad Ibn Sa'd, Volume I, Pages 188)
  
"...and he is the Prophet of these people; he is an Arab and the Jews are jealous of him wishing that he should have been an Israelite..."  (History of Muhammad Ibn Sa'd, Volume I, Pages 177)

They are still expecting the Messiah too! After the great tribulation they will be ready to receive Him at His Second coming.

 
'LIKE UNTO THEE' - 'Like You' 'Like Moses'. The Prophecy is much more than this single phrase which reads as follows : "I WILL RAISE THEM UP A PROPHET FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN LIKE UNTO THEE......." The emphasis is on the words- "From among their brethren." Moses and his people, the Jews, are here addressed as a racial entity, and as such their 'brethren' would undoubtedly be the arabs. You see, the Holy Bible s peaks of Abraham as the "Friend of God". Abraham had two wives - Sarah and Hagar. Hagar bore Abraham a son - HIS FIRST-BORN- '......And Abraham(11) called HIS SON'S name, which Hagar bare Ishmael.' (Genesis 16:15). 'And Abraham took Ishmael HIS SON......" (Genesis 17:23). 'And Ishmael HIS SON was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.'(Genesis 17:25). Up to the age of THIRTEEN Ishmael was the ONLY son and sed of Abraham, when the covenant was ratified between God and Abraham. God grants Abraham another son through Sarah, named Isaac, wh o was very much the junior to his brother Ishmael.

Arabs and Jews
If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham, then they are brothers. And so the children of the one are the BRETHREN of the children of the other. The children of Isaac are the Jews and the Children of Ishmael are the Arabs - so they are BRETHREN to one another. The Bible affirms, 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) SHALL DWELL IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.' (Genesis 16:12). 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) DIED IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.(Genesis 25:18). The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. In like manner Muhummed is from among the brethren of the Israeli tes beause he was a descendant of Ishamel the son of Abraham. This exactly as the prophecy has it- 'FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN'.(Deut.18:18). There the prophecy distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be like Moses, must arise NOT from the 'children of Israel' or from 'among the mselves', but from among their brethren. MUHUMMED THEREFORE WAS FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN!

Note the following:
1. The Ammonites, Moabites, Edomites,Midianites, etc were also the brethren of the Israelites but at the threshold of nationhood, they became strangers primarily as they were not of the promise. The only 'waiver' they got was that God did not allow Israel to distress them see Deut. 2:9( 4 And command thou the people, saying, Ye are to pass through the coast of your brethren the children of Esau, which dwell in Seir; and they shall be afraid of you: take ye good heed unto yourselves therefore: 5 meddle not with them; for I will not give you of their land, no, not so much as a foot breadth; because I have given mount Seir unto Esau for a possession. 6 Ye shall buy meat of them for money, that ye may eat; and ye shall also buy water of them for money, that ye may drink. 7 For the Lord thy God hath blessed thee in all the works of thy hand: he knoweth thy walking through this great wilderness: these forty years the Lord thy God hath been with thee; thou hast lacked nothing. 8 And when we passed by from our brethren the children of Esau, which dwelt in Seir, through the way of the plain from Elath, and from Ezion-gaber, we turned and passed by the way of the wilderness of Moab. 9 And the Lord said unto me, Distress not the Moabites, neither contend with them in battle: for I will not give thee of their land for a possession; because I have given Ar unto the children of Lot for a possession.)

God is not the author of confusion. When it came to specific offices (those set apart by an anointing eg prophet or king) the brethren referred to was strictly a fellow Israelite see Deuteronomy 17:15,"15 thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the Lord thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother." Hence, when you run through the history of Israel, not once did a Moabite, Edomite, Ammonite etc become king or prophet.

That is why God said to send away Hagar and Ishmael namely for the fact that Isaac was the promised heir while Ishmael was more like the result of Abraham's error (Gen. 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called. 13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed." Hagar's consolation was just that her son will become a nation just like others born at that time too. It means if Abraham had rejected Sarah's carnal suggestion , all these issues wont even come up.

Scholar8200:
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Pls make no mistakes The Prophet prophesied by Moses and The Messiah spoken of by the prophets refers to the same person.

"In the FIRST place Jesus is not like Moses, because, according to you - 'JESUS IS A GOD', but Moses is not God. "Therefore, Jesus is not like Moses! SECONDLY, according to you - 'JESUS DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD', but Mose s did not have to die for the sins of the world. "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses! THIRDLY, according to you - 'JESUS WENT TO HELL FOR THREE DAYS', but Moses did not have to go there. "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses!"

Father and Mother
(1) "Moses had a father and a mother. Muhummed also had a father and a mother. But Jesus had only a mother, and no human father.

Miraculous Birth
(2) "Moses and Muhummed were born in the normal, natural course, i.e. the physical association of man and woman; but Jesus was created by a special miracle."Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhummed is like Moses. And God says to Moses in the Book of Deuteronomy 18:18 "LIKE UNTO THEE" (Like You, Like Moses) and Muhummed is like Moses."

Marriage Ties
(3) "Moses and Muhummed married and begat children, but Jesus remained a bachelor all his life."Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhummed is like Moses."

Jesus Rejected by his People

(3) "Moses and Muhummed were accepted as prophets by their people in their very lifetime. No doubt the Jews gave endless trouble to Moses and they murmured in the wilderness, but as a nation, they acknowledged that Moses was a Messenger of God sent to them. The Arabs too made Muhummed's life imposs ible. He suffered very badly at their hands. After 13 years of preaching in Mecca, he had to emigrate from the city of his birth. But before his demise, the Arab nation as a whole accepted him as the Messenger of Allah. But according to the Bible: 'He (Jesus) CAME UNTO HIS OWN, BUT HIS OWN RECEIVED HIM NOT.' (John 1:11). And even today, ofter two thousand years, his people- the Jews, as a whole, have rejeted him. : "THEREFORE JESUS IS NOT LIKE MOSES, BUT MUHUMMED IS LIKE MOSES."

"Other-Wordly" Kingdom
(5) "Moses and Muhummed were prophets as well as kings. A prophet means a man who receives Divine Revelation for the Guidance of Man and this Guidance he conveys to God's creatures as received without any addition or deletion. A king is a person who has the power of life and death over his people. It is immaterial whether the person wears a crown or not, or whether he was ever addressed as king or monarch: if the man has the prerogative of inflicting capital punishment - HE IS A KING. Moses possessed such a power. Do you remember the Israelite who was found picking up firewood on Sabbath Day , and Moses had him stoned to death? (Numbers- 15:13). There are other crimes also mentioned in the Bible for which capital punishment was inflicted on the Jews at the behest of Moses. Muhummed too, had the power of life and death over his people. There are instances in the Bible of persons who wer e given gift of prophecy only, but they were not in a position to implement their directives. Some of these holy men of God who were helpless in the face of stubborn rejection of their mesage, were the prophets lot, Jonah, Daniel, Ezra, and John the Baptist. They could only deliver the message, but could not enforce the Law. The Holy Prophet Jesus (Peace b.u.h) also belonged to this category. The Christian Gospel clearly confirms this: when Jesus was dragged before the Roman Governor, Pontius Pilate, Charged for sedition, Jesus made a convincing point in his defence to refute the false charg e: JESUS ANSWERED, "MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD': IF MY KINGDOM WERE OF THIS WORLD, THEN WOULD MY SERVANTS FIGHT, THAT I SHOULD NOT BE DELIVERED TO THE JEWS; BUT NOW IS MY KINGDOM NOT FROM HENCE"(John 18:36) This convinced Pilate (A Pagan) that though Jesus might not be in full possessio n of his mental faculty, he did not strike him as being a danger to his rule. Jesus claimed a spiritual Kingdom only; in other words he only claimed to be a Prophet. Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhummed is like Moses."

No New Laws
(6) "Moses and Muhummed brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Moses not only gave the Ten Commandments to the Israelites, but a very comprehensive ceremonial law for the guidance of his people. Muhummed comes to a people steeped in barbarism and ignorance. They married their step-m others; they buried their daughters alive; drunkenness, adultery, idolatry, and gambling were the order of the day. Gibbon describe the Arabs before Islam in his "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire", THE HUMAN BRUTE, ALMOST WITHOUT SENSE, IS POORLY DISTINGUISHED FROM THE REST OF THE ANIMAL CREATI ON.' There was hardly anything to distinguish between the "man" and the "animal" of the time; they were animals in human form.

"From this abject barbarism, Muhummed elevated them, in the words of Thomas Carlysle, 'into torch-bearers of light and learning.' 'TO THE ARAB NATION IT WAS AS A BIRTH FROM DARKNESS INTO LIGHT. ARABIA FIRST BECAME ALIVE BY MEANS OF IT. A POOR SHEPHERD PEOPLE, ROAMING UNNOTICED IN ITS DESERTS SINCE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD. SEE, THE UNNOTICED BECOMES WORLD NOTABLE, THE SMALL HAS GROWN WORLD-GREAT. WITHIN ONE CENTURY AFTERWARDS ARABIA WAS AT GRANADA ON ONE HAND AND AT DELHI ON THE OTHER. GLANCING IN VALOUR AND SPLENDOUR, AND THE LIGHT OF GENIUS, ARABIA SHINES OVER A GREA SECTION OF THE WORLD. ...' The fact is that Muhummed gave his people a Law and Order they never had before.

"As regards Jesus, when the Jews felt suspicious of him that he might be an imposter with designs to pervert their teachings, Jesus took pains to assure them that he had not come with a new religion - no new laws and no new regulations. I quote his own words: 'THINK NOT THAT IAM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW, OR THE PROPHETS: IAM NOT COME TO DESTROY, BUT TO FULFIL. FOR VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, ONE JOT OR ONE TITLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED.'(Mathew 5:17-18). In other words he had not come with any new laws or regulation he came only to fulfil the old law. This what he gave the Jews to understand- unless he was speaking with the tongue in his cheek trying to bluff the Jews into accepting him as a man of God and by subterfuge trying to ram a new religion down their throats. No! This Messenger of God would never resort to such fo ul means to subvert the Religion of God. He himself fulfilled the laws. He observed the commandments of Moses, and he respected the Sabbath. At no time did a single Jew point a finger at him to say, 'why don't you fast' or 'why don't you wash your hands before you break bread',which charges they al wasy levied against his disciples, but never against Jesus. This is because as a good Jew he honoured the laws of the prophets who preceded him. In short, he had created no new religion and had brought no new law like Moses and Muhummed."Therefore, Jesus is not like Moses but Muhummed is like Moses."

How they Departed
(7) "Both Moses and Muhummed died natural deaths, but according to Christianity, Jesus was violently killed on the cross. "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhummed is like Moses."

Heavenly Abode
( "Moses and Muhummed both lie buried in earth, but according to you, Jesus in heaven."Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhummed is like Moses."

Words in the Mouth
"The prophecy proceeds further:'.......AND I WILL PUT MY WORDS INTO HIS MOUTH.......' What does it mean when it is said 'I will put my words in your mouth'?For example if I asked you toOpen Deuteronomy chapter 18, verse 18, at the beginning, and if I had asked you to read, and if you had read: would I be putting my words into your mouth?"Of course not "But, "If I were to teach you a language like Arabic about which you have no knowledge, and if I asked you to read or repeat after me what I utter i.e.:

"SAY: HE IS ALLAH THE ONE AND ONLY;
ALLAH, THE ETERNAL ABSOLUTE;
HE BEGETTETH NOT, NOR IS HE BEGOTTEN:
AND THERE IS NONE LIKE UNTO HIM.
(Holy Qur'an 112:1-4)( I read them in Arabic )

Would I not be putting these unheard words of a foreign tongue which you utter, into your mouth?"Of course yes. In an identical manner, the words of the Holy Qur'an, the Revelation vouchsafed by the Almighty God to Muhummed, were revealed.

History tells us that Muhummed was forty years of age. He was in a cave some three miles north of the City of Mecca. It was the 27th night of the Muslim month of Ramadaan. In the cave the Archangel Gabriel commands him in his mother tongue:'IQRA' which means READ! or PROCLAIM! or RECITE! Muhummed w as terrified and in his bewilderment replied that he was not NOT LEARNED! The angel commands him a second time with the same result. For the third time the angel continues.

Now Muhummed, grasps, that what was required of him was to repeat! to rehearse! And he repeats the words as they were put into his mouth:

"READ! IN THE NAME OF THE LORD AND CHERISHER, WHO CREATED-
CREATED MAN, FROM A (MERE) CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD:

READ! AND THY LORD IS MOST BOUNTIFUL,-
HE WHO TAUGHT (THE USE OF) THE PEN,

TAUGHT MAN THAT WHICH HE KNEW NOT".
(Holy Qur'an 96:1-5)

These are the first five verses which were revealed to Muhummed which now occupy the beginning of the 96th chapter of the Holy Qur'an.

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OREMUSSANCTUS:
Ma Bilbe never mentioned or talked abt a mad man known as muhamMAD
Nufin relating to him at all
Far far before d plague(muhamMAD) was born, d Book has bin written
So muslims shld stop mixing or tinking or believing wad one old man told dem da d mad man is in d Bible

ur fada will go mad

eshbeewanna:


"In the FIRST place Jesus is not like Moses, because, according to you - 'JESUS IS A GOD', but Moses is not God. "Therefore, Jesus is not like Moses! SECONDLY, according to you - 'JESUS DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD', but Mose s did not have to die for the sins of the world. "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses! THIRDLY, according to you - 'JESUS WENT TO HELL FOR THREE DAYS', but Moses did not have to go there. "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses!"

Here you have wrongly compared the Messiahship of Christ to the Prophethood of Moses. The emphasis of Moses in the prophecy is the role of the Word to be spoken hence follows Deut 18:20,"20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die."

Father and Mother
(1) "Moses had a father and a mother. Muhummed also had a father and a mother. But Jesus had only a mother, and no human father.

Miraculous Birth
(2) "Moses and Muhummed were born in the normal, natural course, i.e. the physical association of man and woman; but Jesus was created by a special miracle."Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhummed is like Moses. And God says to Moses in the Book of Deuteronomy 18:18 "LIKE UNTO THEE" (Like You, Like Moses) and Muhummed is like Moses
Marriage Ties
(3) "Moses and Muhummed married and begat children, but Jesus remained a bachelor all his life."Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhummed is like Moses."

Jesus Rejected by his People

(3) "Moses and Muhummed were accepted as prophets by their people in their very lifetime. No doubt the Jews gave endless trouble to Moses and they murmured in the wilderness, but as a nation, they acknowledged that Moses was a Messenger of God sent to them. The Arabs too made Muhummed's life imposs ible. He suffered very badly at their hands. After 13 years of preaching in Mecca, he had to emigrate from the city of his birth. But before his demise, the Arab nation as a whole accepted him as the Messenger of Allah. But according to the Bible: 'He (Jesus) CAME UNTO HIS OWN, BUT HIS OWN RECEIVED HIM NOT.' (John 1:11). And even today, ofter two thousand years, his people- the Jews, as a whole, have rejeted him. : "THEREFORE JESUS IS NOT LIKE MOSES, BUT MUHUMMED IS LIKE MOSES."

"Other-Wordly" Kingdom
(5) "Moses and Muhummed were prophets as well as kings. A prophet means a man who receives Divine Revelation for the Guidance of Man and this Guidance he conveys to God's creatures as received without any addition or deletion. A king is a person who has the power of life and death over his people. It is immaterial whether the person wears a crown or not, or whether he was ever addressed as king or monarch: if the man has the prerogative of inflicting capital punishment - HE IS A KING. Moses possessed such a power. Do you remember the Israelite who was found picking up firewood on Sabbath Day , and Moses had him stoned to death? (Numbers- 15:13). There are other crimes also mentioned in the Bible for which capital punishment was inflicted on the Jews at the behest of Moses. Muhummed too, had the power of life and death over his people. There are instances in the Bible of persons who wer e given gift of prophecy only, but they were not in a position to implement their directives. Some of these holy men of God who were helpless in the face of stubborn rejection of their mesage, were the prophets lot, Jonah, Daniel, Ezra, and John the Baptist. They could only deliver the message, but could not enforce the Law. The Holy Prophet Jesus (Peace b.u.h) also belonged to this category. The Christian Gospel clearly confirms this: when Jesus was dragged before the Roman Governor, Pontius Pilate, Charged for sedition, Jesus made a convincing point in his defence to refute the false charg e: JESUS ANSWERED, "MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD': IF MY KINGDOM WERE OF THIS WORLD, THEN WOULD MY SERVANTS FIGHT, THAT I SHOULD NOT BE DELIVERED TO THE JEWS; BUT NOW IS MY KINGDOM NOT FROM HENCE"(John 18:36) This convinced Pilate (A Pagan) that though Jesus might not be in full possessio n of his mental faculty, he did not strike him as being a danger to his rule. Jesus claimed a spiritual Kingdom only; in other words he only claimed to be a Prophet. Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhummed is like Moses."."

Here you add some embellishments that were not implied in the verse under consideration. Let's rather use what was the epilogue to Deuteronomy 34 :11-12
10 And there arose not a prophet like unto Moses, 11[b] in all the signs and the wonders, which the Lord sent him to do[/b] in the land of Egypt to Pharaoh, and to all his servants, and to all his land, 12 and in all that mighty hand . . .which Moses shewed in the sight of all Israel". The emphasis to be considered as it concerns likeness is both in Word and Signs and wonders by the power of God, not the basically earthly ones you've referred to.

No New Laws
(6) "Moses and Muhummed brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Moses not only gave the Ten Commandments to the Israelites, but a very comprehensive ceremonial law for the guidance of his people. Muhummed comes to a people steeped in barbarism and ignorance.

Moses' laws were part of the whole package of the old covenant. Centuries before the coming of Christ God had already declared that the new covenant, Jeremiah 31:31-33 will see Him writing His laws in our hearts (through His Holy Spirit symbolically called the Finger of God).

This had been the desire of God right from the time of Moses but it was not yet due see Deuteronomy 5:29
"29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!" God's desire is a life expressed/obedience from the heart; not a strained, forced compliance with rules and the former was the goal of the New covenant ratified by the Blood of Christ.

"As regards Jesus, when the Jews felt suspicious of him that he might be an imposter with designs to pervert their teachings, Jesus took pains to assure them that he had not come with a new religion - no new laws and no new regulations. I quote his own words: 'THINK NOT THAT IAM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW, OR THE PROPHETS: IAM NOT COME TO DESTROY, BUT TO FULFIL. FOR VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, ONE JOT OR ONE TITLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED.'(Mathew 5:17-18). In other words he had not come with any new laws or regulation he came only to fulfil the old law. This what he gave the Jews to understand- unless he was speaking with the tongue in his cheek trying to bluff the Jews into accepting him as a man of God and by subterfuge trying to ram a new religion down their throats. No! This Messenger of God would never resort to such fo ul means to subvert the Religion of God. He himself fulfilled the laws. He observed the commandments of Moses, and he respected the Sabbath. At no time did a single Jew point a finger at him to say, 'why don't you fast' or 'why don't you wash your hands before you break bread',which charges they al wasy levied against his disciples, but never against Jesus. This is because as a good Jew he honoured the laws of the prophets who preceded him. In short, he had created no new religion and had brought no new law like Moses and Muhummed."Therefore, Jesus is not like Moses but Muhummed is like Moses."

Moses laws were not in a vacuum, it was part of a covenant. The New covenant entailed the writing of these laws in our heart and the living out of these in the power of the Holy Spirit within.
Ezekiel 36:27," 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

Words in the Mouth
"The prophecy proceeds further:'.......AND I WILL PUT MY WORDS INTO HIS MOUTH.......' What does it mean when it is said 'I will put my words in your mouth'?For example if I asked you toOpen Deuteronomy chapter 18, verse 18, at the beginning, and if I had asked you to read, and if you had read: would I be putting my words into your mouth?"Of course not "But, "If I were to teach you a language like Arabic about which you have no knowledge, and if I asked you to read or repeat after me what I utter i.e.:

"SAY: HE IS ALLAH THE ONE AND ONLY;
ALLAH, THE ETERNAL ABSOLUTE;
HE BEGETTETH NOT, NOR IS HE BEGOTTEN:
AND THERE IS NONE LIKE UNTO HIM.
(Holy Qur'an 112:1-4)( I read them in Arabic )

Would I not be putting these unheard words of a foreign tongue which you utter, into your mouth?"Of course yes. In an identical manner, the words of the Holy Qur'an, the Revelation vouchsafed by the Almighty God to Muhummed, were revealed.

History tells us that Muhummed was forty years of age. He was in a cave some three miles north of the City of Mecca. It was the 27th night of the Muslim month of Ramadaan. In the cave the Archangel Gabriel commands him in his mother tongue:'IQRA' which means READ! or PROCLAIM! or RECITE! Muhummed w as terrified and in his bewilderment replied that he was not NOT LEARNED! The angel commands him a second time with the same result. For the third time the angel continues.

Now Muhummed, grasps, that what was required of him was to repeat! to rehearse! And he repeats the words as they were put into his mouth:

"READ! IN THE NAME OF THE LORD AND CHERISHER, WHO CREATED-
CREATED MAN, FROM A (MERE) CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD:

READ! AND THY LORD IS MOST BOUNTIFUL,-
HE WHO TAUGHT (THE USE OF) THE PEN,

TAUGHT MAN THAT WHICH HE KNEW NOT".
(Holy Qur'an 96:1-5)

These are the first five verses which were revealed to Muhummed which now occupy the beginning of the 96th chapter of the Holy Qur'an.

Let's consider the matter objectively; Deuteronomy 18:17
"17 And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. 18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." The issue of likeness here relates not to the earthly issues of place of birth, parentage etc Rather, the highlighted texts show what will be the key deciding factor: God (not an angel) putting His Words in the Mouth of the Reference.

Now, Jeremiah illustrates what God meant by putting His words in a person's mouth see Jeremiah 1:9,"9 Then the Lord put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the Lord said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth". Now this did not mean Jeremiah was Moses reference. There were many other prophecies concerning Jesus which Jeremiah did not fulfil.Note the operation of the Hand of God also in Exodus 31:18 "And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God."

When Jesus came, these were His Words,
1. John 12:49,50
49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

2.John 8:28
28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
3. John 7:16
16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
4. John 3:34
34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

In addition Moses went to receive the law in the full glare of all Israel (see Exodus 19:17-25) Jesus also received the Spirit in the full glare of the people after baptism (John 3:34, John 1:32,33) by Which He spoke the Words of God.

Besides we cannot but note the role of the Holy Spirit in the ministry of Moses (Numbers 11:25) and all other prophets in the Bible. Jesus had not just a measure of The Spirit's anointing but it was without measure John 3:34. Without the Spirit, there is no prophet.

Scholar8200:
Here you have wrongly compared the Messiahship of Christ to the Prophethood of Moses. The emphasis of Moses in the prophecy is the role of the Word to be spoken hence follows Deut 18:20,"20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die."
Here you add some embellishments that were not implied in the verse under consideration. Let's rather use what was the epilogue to Deuteronomy 34 :11-12
10 And there arose not a prophet like unto Moses, 11[b] in all the signs and the wonders, which the Lord sent him to do[/b] in the land of Egypt to Pharaoh, and to all his servants, and to all his land, 12 and in all that mighty hand . . .which Moses shewed in the sight of all Israel". The emphasis to be considered as it concerns likeness is both in Word and Signs and wonders by the power of God, not the basically earthly ones you've referred to.

Moses' laws were part of the whole package of the old covenant. Centuries before the coming of Christ God had already declared that the new covenant, Jeremiah 31:31-33 will see Him writing His laws in our hearts (through His Holy Spirit symbolically called the Finger of God).

This had been the desire of God right from the time of Moses but it was not yet due see Deuteronomy 5:29
"29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!" God's desire is a life expressed/obedience from the heart; not a strained, forced compliance with rules and the former was the goal of the New covenant ratified by the Blood of Christ.
Moses laws were not in a vacuum, it was part of a covenant. The New covenant entailed the writing of these laws in our heart and the living out of these in the power of the Holy Spirit within.
Ezekiel 36:27," 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."Let's consider the matter objectively; Deuteronomy 18:17
"17 And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. 18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." The issue of likeness here relates not to the earthly issues of place of birth, parentage etc Rather, the highlighted texts show what will be the key deciding factor: God (not an angel) putting His Words in the Mouth of the Reference.

Now, Jeremiah illustrates what God meant by putting His words in a person's mouth see Jeremiah 1:9,"9 Then the Lord put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the Lord said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth". Now this did not mean Jeremiah was Moses reference. There were many other prophecies concerning Jesus which Jeremiah did not fulfil.Note the operation of the Hand of God also in Exodus 31:18 "And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God."

When Jesus came, these were His Words,
1. John 12:49,50
49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

2.John 8:28
28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
3. John 7:16
16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
4. John 3:34
34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

In addition Moses went to receive the law in the full glare of all Israel (see Exodus 19:17-25) Jesus also received the Spirit in the full glare of the people after baptism (John 3:34, John 1:32,33) by Which He spoke the Words of God.

Besides we cannot but note the role of the Holy Spirit in the ministry of Moses (Numbers 11:25) and all other prophets in the Bible. Jesus had not just a measure of The Spirit's anointing but it was without measure John 3:34. Without the Spirit, there is no prophet.

nice job bro, God bless you.

malvisguy212:
nice job bro, God bless you.

Glory to God. God bless you too!

OREMUSSANCTUS:
Ma Bilbe never mentioned or talked abt a mad man known as muhamMAD
Nufin relating to him at all
Far far before d plague(muhamMAD) was born, d Book has bin written
So muslims shld stop mixing or tinking or believing wad one old man told dem da d mad man is in d Bible

Instead of defending the post u end up making a fool outta urself. is that wat d Bible also teaches? No proof only curses :/

[quote author=Scholar8200 post=33546959] Here you have wrongly compared the Messiahship of Christ to the Prophethood of Moses. The emphasis of Moses in the prophecy is the role of the Word to be spoken hence follows Deut 18:20,"20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die."

Scolar I want to say here that you christians never believe in the law of moses because those of you that we had debate with always claim that the laws of moses that you said God Promised to write on your heart throuigh the prophesy of Jeremiah are not to be followed anymore with the coming of christ therefore how can you claim that the law which you are not ready to follow be in your heart just for formality sake.Did God give the laws to believers just to be in their heart?No the laws are meant to be practised.Even jesus said he came to fulfil and not abolish the laws.which goes a long way to butress my point that the prophet unto like moses has been fulfilled in muhammed and not Jesus because Muhammed came with New laws from God jesus did not.
Again the prophet asked about by jews from John the Baptist can't be jesus because you christians don't believe jesus is prophet rather you believe that jesus is God incarnate.therefore how can jesus that is God now be making prophesy about himself to Moses that (a prophet unto like moses)is God a prophet?Definately the prophecy is pointing to Muhammed because God also promised that he is going to put his word in his mouth.Again how can God be putting his Words in himself's mouth?Obviously it doesn't make any sense.
You made me believe that Jesus is man and a prophet because you want me to believe that the prophey like unto him is referring to jesus,which is the direct opposite of christian belief about jesus that he is God.
In respect to jesus coming with a new laws which as been fulfilled in shedding of blood for man to be saved and also free from the commandment of Moses,that's not true because jesus himself told a man that he must keep the commandment for him to have eternal life(And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter eternal life, keep the commandments.”
Why did he not tell him to just believe in the 'blood of jesus' and you will have eternal life.He knew the commandments of moses must be followed that's why he told man to keep the commandments.Remember that Jesus stated it clearly that he has come to fulfil the laws and not to abolish them.

Also the prophesy of jesus concernig the one to come after him is not Holy spirit but a man(John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you."
The Human Prophet

A "Spirit" in the New Testament is a human Prophet.   Therefore, Jesus had predicted the comming of a human Prophet (spirit) after him and not the Holy Spirit.  Jesus would not have used the word "he" for the Holy Spirit.  He would have used "it" instead in John 14:26 above.  
The Greek word translated as "hear" in the Biblical verses ("whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak" is the Greek word "akouo" {ak-oo'-o} meaning to perceive sounds. It has, for instance, given us the word "acoustics," the science of sounds. Similarly the verb "to speak" is the Greek verb "laleo" {lal-eh'-o} which has the general meaning "to emit sounds" and the specific meaning "to speak." This verb occurs very frequently in the Greek text of the Gospels. It designates a solemn declaration by Jesus (peace be upon him) during his preachings (For example Matthew 9:18). Obviously these verbs require hearing and speech organs in order to facilitate them. There is a distinct difference between someone "inspiring" something and him "speaking" something. So the Paraclete will "hear" and "speak," not "inspire."

Muhammad (peace be upon him), as seen above, did indeed fulfill this prophesy. Whatsoever he "HEARD" from Gabriel (The Qur'an), the same did he physically "SPEAK" to his followers. In the Qur'an we read:

"(God swears) By the star when it falls!: Your comrade (Muhammad) errs not, nor is he deceived; Nor does he speak of (his own) desire. It is naught save a revelation that is revealed (unto him)." (The noble Qur'an, Al-Najm(53):1-4)

 

3) The Holy Ghost was already with them:

In the above verses we read "if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you." The comforter can not be the Holy Ghost because the Holy Ghost (according to the Bible) was "with" them already (and even quite active) long before the coming of Jesus (peace be upon him) himself and then throughout his ministry. Read for example.

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

1 Samuel 10:10 "And when they came thither to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them."

1 Samuel 11:6 "And the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard those tidings, and his anger was kindled greatly."

"Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?" (Isaiah 63:11)

"For he (John the Baptist) shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb." (Luke 1:15)

"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee." (Luke 1:35)

"And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost" (Luke 1:41)

"And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying," (Luke 1:67)

"And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him." (Luke 2:25)

"And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost (Simeon), that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ." (Luke 2:26)

"And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him (Jesus), and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased." (Luke 3:22)

"Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost." (John 20:21-22)

Did they or did they not already receive the Holy Ghost? Was Jesus (peace be upon him) not still with them when they received the Holy Ghost? Was the Holy Ghost not with Simeon, Mary, Elisabeth and Zacharias before the birth of Jesus (peace be upon him)? Was the Holy Ghost not with Moses (peace be upon him) when he parted the seas? There are many more similar verses to be found in the Bible. In the above verses, we are told that if Jesus (peace be upon him) does not depart then the "parakletos" will not come. Thus, the "Holy Ghost" cannot be the one originally intended since it was already with them. The contradiction is quite obvious.

I will reply your post in the reverse order.

First, let's see John 14:26, "but the Comforter, which is the HOLY GHOST, [/b]Whom the Father will send in My Name, He shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you". If you'll be sincere this verse alone clarifies the fact that the Comforter promised is the Holy Ghost. Else can you show us how your prophet fulfilled the roles spelt out in that verse to Christ's disciples and the roles plainly stated in John 16:7-14? John 14:16,17,"
16 And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, and Standby), that[b] He may remain with you forever—
17 The Spirit of Truth, Whom the world cannot receive (welcome, take to its heart), because it does not see Him or know and recognize Him. But you know and recognize Him, for He lives with you [constantly] and will be in you.

Yes, the Holy Spirit has been very active mostly with Kings, Prophets and few holy men but now He was to be sent to all that receive Jesus as Lord prophesied in Joel 2:28,29(28 And afterward I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions.
29 Even upon the menservants and upon the maidservants in those days will I pour out My Spirit.)

The ministry of the Spirit in the NT is to grant the believer a deeper and more intimate relationship and fellowship with the Father through the Son. And also to anoint the believer for service; blessings not possible for the masses in the OT. 1 John 4:13," hereby we know that we dwell in Him , and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit" Acts 1:8,"... You shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you".

I wish you quoted me before commenting because I never said we were free from the moral law! Christ declared that He came to fulfil(what was the ceremonial law) but in the same chapter went ahead to set forth God's unchanging righteous demands which His grace makes possible to those who are born of the Spirit.(John 3:8 ) and concluded that only the foolish wont do what He says while still calling Him their Lord.Luke 6:46. Meanwhile, the man that came to Jesus was told to take up the cross and follow Jesus Mark 10:21"... Come, take up the cross, and follow Me".

Your sweeping generalisation is appalling! You've debated with few folks on NL and think it logical to form conclusions based on the opinion of a few! Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial laws contained in animal sacrifices etc But the grace He provides enables us to walk before God in righteousness and love thus the moral demands of the law is fulfilled in and by us. God seeks us to worship Him from the heart do refer back to Deut. 5:29. Not we drawing near to Him when our hearts are far from Him. We can draw near because we fear the repercussion of not so doing but to God, that's not drawing near. You spoke of law being in the heart passively?! Out of the heart are the issues of life! Your reference to the prophecy of Jeremiah suggests you are not considering Who spoke there. Should we then change God's Word because a few NL folks do not believe? The person who typed this and that , is also a christian. What then?

The writing of the law in the heart as contained in the NT was also the experience of Christ as described by David in a manner that clearly showed God's preference in Psalm 40:6,7,8" sacrifice....burnt offering and sin offering Thou hast not required. Then said I... I delight to do Thy will O ... GOD:yes Thy law is within My Heart".Jesus was not only described as Prophet, He is also the , Priest forever after the Order of Melchizedek Psalm 110:4. In taking up humanity various titles are used to describe the roles He will fulfil.

Now you also said how can God put words in God's mouth? This will be understood when you consider John 1:1,2,14,17,18 "In the beginning was the Word . . . And the Word was God. . .the Same was in the beginning with God. And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us..the law was given by Moses but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. No man has seen God at anytime. The Only Begotten Son , Which is in the Bosom of the Father, He has declared Him." And. Philippians 2:6-7,"... Made Himself of no reputation and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men... He humbled Himself and became obedient unto Death" I expect this clarifies the position the Word took while on earth and why He said He could only speak the Words of the Father just as Moses prophesied He would.

Any set of new laws contrary to the NT reality as described by God Himself in scripture (reverting back to the very OT approach that God Himself said will be replaced, cant be from Him: He is not the author of confusion. Ezekiel (36) went further to describe God's intention in the NT thus,"26 A new heart will I give you and a new spirit will I put within you, and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you shall heed My ordinances and do them"

This is the desire and purpose of God in the NT as fulfilled by Christ once and for all.

Lucky thirteen.
I was invited to the transval to deliver a talk on the occasion of the Birthday celebration of the Holy prophet Muhammad. I indicated my purpose to the priests that I was interested in having a dialogue with them, but they all refused my request with plausible excuses. No 13 was my lucky number. The 13th call brought me pleasure and relief. A dominee Vwn heerden agreed to meet me at his home on Saturday afternoon that I was to leave for transvaal.
He received me on his verandah with a friendly welcome. He said if I did not mind, he would like his father in-law (a 7oyr old man) to join us in the discussion. I did not mind. The three of us settled down in the dominee's library.
Look forward to what happen In the next few minutes...
Why nothing?
I posed the question: "what does the bible say about Muhammad? Without hesitation he answered, "Nothing". I asked: " why nothing? According to your interpretation the bible have so many things to say about the rise of Soviet Russia and about the last days and even about the pope of the Roman Catholics? "He said, "yes, but there was nothing about muhammad!" I asked again, "why nothing? Surely this man Mohammad who had been responsible for the bringing into being a world-wide community of millions of believers who, on his authority believe in
(1) the miraculous birth of jesus,
(2). That jesus is the messiah,
(3). That he gave life to the dead by God's permission, and that he healed those born blind and the lepers by God's permission.
Surely this book (the bible) must have something to say about. This great leader of men who spoke so well of Jesus and his mother Mary.
The old man replied, "My son, I've been reading the bible for the past 50yrs, and if there was any mention of him, I would have known it."
To be continued shortly after some reply...

@Ksalam and eshbeewana. I want to believe u guys are male? You see, wen I walk on the street and I come across a man who is trying by all means to prove to people that he is male, I will seriously suspect his maleness, why? because, a man has no need to prove he is male except he is wearing a cloak that makes him look like a man. I have issues with u guys. 1). Why are u trying to prove that mohammed is a prophet? Iszit because he is not for sure? 2). Why are you trying so hard to prove from the Bible which you were raised to believe is corrupted? That's really lame. 3). If you are sincere to urself, u shd have asked urself these questions. As u search through the bible trying to find and fix mohammed in the corrupted bible, you shd have seen that all the prophets, both major and minor, prophesied about future events. What are mohammeds prophecies? How many have been fulfilled? 4). How many of those prophets lived the kind of immoral lives like ur Mohammed? If mohammed didn't set the muslims against the christians and jews. Maybe ur arguements could hold some water. Going through that same corrupted bible, u can't find therein any prophet who went out of his way to have his own followers outside the jewish tribe, none set his followers against others. My brother in humanity, believe it or not. Allah is satan and mohammed is his apostle. You will realise it wen its too late, but that's not my prayer for you.

I pray you understand. But I know I have my proves. You can message me privately on my number... I mean on whatsapp. +2348158035038.

I pray you understand. But I know I have my proves. You can message me privately on my number... I mean on whatsapp. +2348158035038.
I don't even think you know how many pastors I've converted to muslim.

mustymatic:

Instead of defending the post u end up making a fool outta urself. is that wat d Bible also teaches? No proof only curses :/

Whoz d fool here, d bible never for once mentioned muhamMAD from Genesis to Revelation.
So dere is nufin to talk abt.
Y waste time on nonsesne, wen u know dat d Scripture was long written before dat mad man wad born.

OREMUSSANCTUS:

Whoz d fool here, d bible never for once mentioned muhamMAD from Genesis to Revelation.
So dere is nufin to talk abt.
Y waste time on nonsesne, wen u know dat d Scripture was long written before dat mad man wad born.

A bigger fool

mustymatic:

A bigger fool

U nid a bottle of chilled carmel pizz as prescribed by dr. MuhamMAD de false "prophet" of islam(plague)