OLAADEGBU:


You are correct. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. Can you improve on that and give us one English word for that?

davien:


I'm sure science doesn't confirm sticks turning to snakes, lakes turning to blood and immaculate conceptions unless you mean pseudoscience......

davien:


And it's funny how you say something is a fairy tale when the definition of fairy tales involves magic, giants, witches, wizards, incantation spells, beings of extraordinary power and speaking things into being from thin air....
Sorry but it's time someone told you to get your head out of your a.$$

tartar9:


so sun causes time.dont worry,as you are blowing your trumpet for eternity you will realise whether there is time or not.

InesQor:


Time is a type of relative measure, just like distance. That's assuming the nature of heaven is akin to a physical one. It probably isn't.

If you think you'll experience distance in heaven, then you'll probably experience time in heaven. Being relative though, your perception of quantities like time, weight, distance, etc will be different from what you have here.

The way I understand it is like when a ball in motion finally comes to rest. That point of rest is like heaven: no energy dissipation, no intrinsic quantitative increases. All the "activities" in heaven will also be from a point of rest. Relative to how we currently understand life (the busy rolling ad bouncing ball), life in heaven will be like a stand-still. The only forces that will be exerted on such a body at rest, are external forces, all counterbalanced with one another.

Time is just like such an external force so I feel there will be time in heaven - but on a different scale from what we're used to.

esere826:


*scratches head
"uncle is the one English word 'timeless' or is it 'everlasting'?"
*begins to cry

OLAADEGBU:


God created time and He sees the three directions of time in one stretch, past, present and the future.

ifeness:


You don't even have evidence for your god,why should i even argue with you?

OLAADEGBU:

- The theory of Evolution is the pseudoscience here. How can you say that living things came from a primordial soup or rocks? - The Bible on the other hand is scientifically accurate and is more than that it is also a supernatural book which answers questions science cannot answer such as the origin and purpose of life.

Science doesn't claim to answer supernatural phenomena it is your fairytale that attempts to answer it with ridiculous answers such as teaching and - believing goo to zoo to you or rather from primordial soup to apelike creatures to man. - The fact that they packaged this fanciful imagination and sold it to you as science and you swallowed it hook, line and stinker proves that you've been owned.

OLAADEGBU:


Hi InesQor, How you dey? I got a question for you. How did you think Adam covered distance before he fell?

OLAADEGBU:


ATM is right. Sun there for us to measure time in past, present and future dimension.

InesQor:


Hi Olaadegbu, I'm fine thanks! I hope you are, as well.

Hmmm your question is a good one. I think it depends on what Eden actually was. Some believe it was a small garden somewhere, but I think it was a huge chunk of the habitable earth at that point in time (all the continents were once joined together as one land mass surrounded by water), so Adam had a lot of space to tend to. In that case, gardening such a huge landmass means he must have had a means to travel faster than what we now have. So he probably covered distance like it's nothing.

InesQor:


So maybe he was a giant and could move long distances easily, or maybe his body was not limited by distance (just like Jesus' resurrected body) and could instantaneously move from place to place. That's the most likely case actually.

InesQor:


Of course all of this is mere speculation. I personally don't think the story about Adam's fall was meant to be taken exactly literally I.e. The garden, the snake, the tree, the fruit, were probably not physical objects but spiritual and soul objects.

tartar9:


that's not what he said,He said time is made possible by the sun so in a place where there is no sun there is no time which is plainly wrong.

OLAADEGBU:


God created time. The tilt of the earth's axis as it revolves around the sun causes time.

DProDG:


Please tell me you're joking man, please.

DProDG:


You started with a childlike strawman, moved on to a lie, then some gibberish and ended with the most ironic statement possible. Good for you

OLAADEGBU:

All that is your emotional outburst. Give me one concrete evidence that refutes the account of creation.

OLAADEGBU:


"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let then be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years" (Genesis 1:14)

Here you see the establishment of climatological seasons and that they actually indicate that the earth was formed with an axial inclination from the beginning. This is the basic cause of its seasons. The establishment of the sun and moon in their light-giving functions were to be used to measure days and years and to keep record of time and history. So if you're going to have a laugh you better laugh at the ridiculous theory of evolution which is inconsistent with the facts on the ground.

DProDG:


I don't think you understand that expression because there was nothing 'emotional' about that. I just briefly pointed out the flaws in your post which, of course, you're oblivious to. I can't refute something that is based off faith.

DProDG:


I'm just dumbfounded that you and ATMC really think "(revolution around) the sun causes time". There's really no way I can seriously argue that with anyone on that. I sure hope you spotted what I'll assume is a (big) mistake and that's why you reworded what you said and swapped "cause" for "measure".

DProDG:


On the other hand, since you guys like bring up evolution, would you mind presenting these 'facts' here?

OLAADEGBU:

God created time.

The tilt of the earth's axis as it revolves around the sun causes time.

OLAADEGBU:

There is everything emotional about you using the "evolutionary" tactics of equivocation, ad hominems and ridicule without a single shred of evidence in debunking the doctrine of creation. True science confirms creation.

I have stated how God created time in the beginning and we can perceive it in past, present and future divisions.

I have posted some questions for you to get your teeth into in the thread you referred me to. Check it out.

esere826:


I agree. Especially as I be Christian

esere826:


Nope
The effect from the tilting is only one way of measuring time. It's not the cause of time
and is quite ancient

esere826:


There is now a generally accepted way of measuring time that has to do with an atomic radiation or something like that

There are some parts of the world which have darkness like half of the year
http://www.livescience.com/41955-north-pole.html
You can't say that it has slower time or 2 days only, can you?

Guess what -Time exists outside our solar system although our solar system is mainly ruled by our sun's energy and its tilts

Time exists because there is a past, present and future. In order words it references activities before, now, and after, at every point in time.

In fact, when you hear words like everlasting, it refers to time, but one that will not cease
It's a little bit different from eternal which is a way of describing no beginning and no end

esere826:


Uncle OLAADEGBU abeg I know say u like to dey read bible
but try dey read some science books naw

DProDG:


What are "evolutionary tactics of equivocation"? Which did I use? What ad hominems? I didn't even mentioned creationism. Your doctrines are not my concern, science is.

Humour me and cite just ONE peer-reviewed paper on creationism.

Hoseaovo:


It will interest you to know that from sunrise to sunset in our moon is our 21 days on earth. This owing to the speed rate @ which the moon revolves round itself. Now there is no such thing in Heaven. It is timeless. heaven is a place of timeless blissfulness. Please do all it take to be found worthy do be there.

Signs And Seasons, Days And Years
by Henry Morris, Ph.D.

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years" (Genesis 1:14)

The subject of "time" is enigmatic. Everyone seems to know what is meant by time, but no one can define it. We may complain about time going too slow or too fast, but time doesn't go anywhere. But neither does it "stand still."

At least we can measure time intervals--seconds, hours, centuries, etc. This is because of God's gracious forethought in providing means for doing this. He was not a "blind watchmaker," as some evolutionists have called Him. He actually created time "In the beginning" (Genesis 1:1).

Then He set the sun and the moon in the sky, and made the earth to assume a global shape and to rotate on an axis, making the measurement of time in "days" possible. Next He placed stars in the far heavens in various locations and combinations, and the earth to orbiting around the sun, enabling us to tell how many "days" make up a "year." Then, once the earth's rotational axis was "tilted," that made "seasons" measurable. So we can at least identify time durations in days and years with their seasons, and we can subdivide or combine these in whatever ways we find convenient (minutes, decades, summer, winter, etc.).

But what about the "signs"? Although this is a controversial question, certain ancient Jewish scholars believed that God named the stars and their groupings (Isaiah 40:26; Job 38:31-32; etc.) and then revealed their prophetic meanings to patriarchs Seth and Enoch in order to record His great plan and purpose in creation permanently in the heavens. If so, it is no longer needed, since the written Word of God, "For ever . . . settled in heaven" (Psalm 119:89) has now been transmitted "unto the fathers by the prophets" (Hebrews 1:1) and "shall not pass away" (Matthew 24:35). HMM

For more . . . .

OLAADEGBU:


..... The question is would this time ever come to an end?

Ovacoma:
And the angel which i saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, and sware by him that LIVETH FOREVER, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that THERE SHOULD BE TIME NO LONGER: Revelation 10: 5 and 6

OLAADEGBU:
Will we experience time in heaven? Is there such a thing as time in eternity? Will we be timeless in heaven? What do you think?

OLAADEGBU:
Will we experience time in heaven? Is there such a thing as time in eternity? Will we be timeless in heaven? What do you think?

Then He set the sun and the moon in the sky, and made the earth[b] to assume a global shape and to rotate on an axis[/b], making the measurement of time in "days" possible. Next He placed stars in the far heavens in various locations and combinations, and[b] the earth to orbiting around the sun, [/b]enabling us to tell how many "days" make up a "year." Then, once the earth's rotational axis was "tilted," that made "seasons" measurable. So we can at least identify time durations in days and years with their seasons, and we can subdivide or combine these in whatever ways we find convenient (minutes, decades, summer, winter, etc.).

OLAADEGBU:


Good point. Can you elaborate on the bolded?

OLAADEGBU:


That was a good attempt. The NT records Paul, Philip and our resurrected Christ using this special means of transportation, do you know what it was?

OLAADEGBU:

You hit the nail in the bolded above. As for Adam being a giant is stretching the truth but I believe you hit the nail on the head in the bolded above.

OLAADEGBU:

I beg to differ here. The Fall was a historical event with spiritual consequences.