sylarsquins:


I'm not disputing the fact that God is real, or Christians n der beliefs. I jst don't believe in the bible on its idea of the origin of man

if you believe that God is real, without facts, why won't you believe His word without facts? It is better not to believe in God's existence than to believe in His existence and doubt His word, b/c you can't prove it. Can you prove with facts that God exists?

sylarsquins:

Any video footage of Adam being the 1st man on earth?

yeah!

Skillfullulu:
yeah!

Lolzz, link...

Barnabaseloka:

if you believe that God is real, without facts, why won't you believe His word without facts? It is better not to believe in God's existence than to believe in His existence and doubt His word, b/c you can't prove it. Can you prove with facts that God exists?

I believe his words without fact coz most have not been countered, if Adam existence hasn't been already countered I probably wud ve believed it. Most other fields shares on light and explanatiion on the matter and that I prefer over the bible's view.

sylarsquins:


I believe his words without fact coz most have not been countered, if Adam existence hasn't been already countered I probably wud ve believed it. Most other fields shares on light and explanatiion on the matter and that I prefer over the bible's view.

if the word of God on Adam being the first man on earth was countered by archeological discoveries on evolution, does it make God's word on this false? If it makes God's word to be untrue,then:
1. It means that God can lie and cannot be depended completely on.
2. God's word cannot be trusted in that it contains falsehood.
How did the first man and woman evolve from ape and probably what were their names?

Barnabaseloka:

if the word of God on Adam being the first man on earth was countered by archeological discoveries on evolution, does it make God's word on this false? If it makes God's word to be untrue,then:
1. It means that God can lie and cannot be depended completely on.
2. God's word cannot be trusted in that it contains falsehood.
How did the first man and woman evolve from ape and probably what were their names?

I can cc ur willin to argue till death,follow this link my brother and see the light

www.scienceclarified.com/He-In/Human-Evolution.html

sylarsquins:


I can cc ur willin to argue till death,follow this link my brother and see the light

www.scienceclarified.com/He-In/Human-Evolution.html

I have read the much I can from this link. Know that I studied Zoology and Biochemistry in school. I have read a lot about man evolving from ape. But, they kept speculating and were not precise. They kept reconstructing their theories in order to prove that their theories were true. Let me tell you that more and more findings are yet to come. They do all these things in order to contradict and counter God's word on creation of man, which has never undergone any reconstruction.

Why can't you prove the existence of God by scientific discoveries? Yet, you subject His word to discoveries. No one needs to subject God's word to scientific discoveries to prove its authenticity, for God's words are spiritually discerned, and cannot be understood through human wisdom.

Do you believe in the creation story that God created all that He needed to create within six days, and rested on the seventh day? If God had not finished His creation work, why would He rest on the seventh day? In evolution, it takes a large number of years for evolution to occur. Yet, man has not evolved to a higher form. People know what the Scriptures say but go after discoveries in order to counter God's word.

I say again that if God's word has a part that is untrue, as a result of scientific discoveries, then God has falsehood in Him, and cannot be trusted. And those that believee in God are of all men most miserable.

The Scriptures tell us how Adam was created, but these scientists could not tell us how man came from ape precisely. All they made in their theories were calculations and speculations and were never definite. Some even talk of 'missing link' in evolution, whereas the word of God was definite about the creation story. It is better to believe God's word as it is, than to believe speculations from the discoveries of men with limited knowledge and understanding.

I don't think our origin is as simple as the bible or the koran puts it..who was there to watch and record it...it is all guesses...so i won't waste my time trying..the early egyptians have their versions, the persians, the babylonians...all may be right..no one knows.....but my own personal take is that we are all given birth to by the. Gods, we are their children..they incarnated in different places under different names..

sylarsquins:


I'm not disputing the fact that God is real, or Christians n der beliefs. I jst don't believe in the bible on its idea of the origin of man

Better start believing....the record is a speck of the whole origin of man...

I have been reading thru the thread only this word scrabble on buttered misrepresentation or maybe willful ignorance on your part caught my attention and so i think i've gat to teach you what science really says on evolution cus for someone who claims to have studied zoology and biolchem, you really are not that cognitive with scientific studies.

Barnabaseloka:

I have read the much I can from this link. Know that I studied Zoology and Biochemistry in school. I have read a lot about man evolving from ape.

First the bolded clearly shows you have never read anything on evolution (you are just claiming to) If you ever did you would know evolution never stated man evolved from apes, but apes and man (Both hominidae) evolved from one common ancestor just like Cats, lions, tigers (falidae) evolved from one common ancestor. . SCIENCE101 next time read before you comment on a particular subject.

But, they kept speculating and were not precise. They kept reconstructing their theories in order to prove that their theories were true. Let me tell you that more and more findings are yet to come.

Truth changes with new facts. Science is study and the more new findings are made the better the truth gets on the subject...That is how real truths are unraveled not just believe what some ancient men scribed down without facts backing them up.
(e.g) We were told there were 9planets in the solar system but with discoveries of new planets, that TRUTH (that we have 9planets) changed and we know to have 8main/8mini planets now. and this truth is not constant because more studies are being carried out and with more discoveries, this truth will improve.
(Truths should be based on discovered facts not mythical beliefs)

They do all these things in order to contradict and counter God's word on creation of man, which has never undergone any reconstruction.

Nobody is trying to contradict the word of ur god, the word of ur god did that by going contrary to observed facts…

And that is the difference between beliefs and real study based on observations. . Belief establishes a truth based on myths that must remain unchanged even when evidences goes contrary to it.(its called blind belief) science is clearly the opposite.

Why can't you prove the existence of God by scientific discoveries? Yet, you subject His word to discoveries. No one needs to subject God's word to scientific discoveries to prove its authenticity, for God's words are spiritually discerned, and cannot be understood through human wisdom.

Can you prove God's (Osiris) existence by scientific discoveries? Dude science has nothing to do with trying to prove myths.

It cannot be discerned by human wisdom yet you are human, how come you know this? let me help; ASSUMPTIONS.

Do you believe in the creation story that God created all that He needed to create within xix days, and rested on the seventh day? If God had not finished His creation work, why would He rest on the seventh day? In evolution, it takes a large number of years for evolution to occur. Yet, man has not evolved to a higher form. People know what the Scriptures say but go after discoveries in order to counter God's word.

Yea since god finished creating everything within six days magically, how come the universe is still expanding (formation process) Maybe your god didn't rest then but still creating.

Talking about large number of years for evolutionary trends, let me help you with that cus its obvious you dont know;
It takes millions of years. . . modern homo sapiens according to evolution emerged 200-300years ago, so that duration is still very short for humans to evolve (improve) You'd have to stick around a couple million years from now to get that

I say again that if God's word has a part that is untrue, as a result of scientific discoveries, then God has falsehood in Him, and cannot be trusted. And those that believe in God are of all men most miserable.

Yes and this is the very reason why you so very much try to cling to this obvious myth as truth even when it goes contrary to discoveries and evidences because you don't want your illusions destroyed.

And how come you so much price the genesis story, a jewish reworked copy of an older story, the babylonian Enuma elish as the word of god.
If it is then i seriously find the intellectual capability of that being very unimpressive.

The Scriptures tell us how Adam was created, but these scientists could not tell us how man came from ape precisely.

Yea adam popped out magically out of thin air when god said the magic words.
But then again you commit the same blunder;Evolution never asserted man came from apes, am sure i have addressed this above.. You need to read something before bringing it up on a public forum like this

All they made in their theories were calculations and speculations and were never definite. Some even talk of 'missing link' in evolution, whereas the word of God was definite about the creation story. It is better to believe God's word as it is, than to believe speculations from the discoveries of men with limited knowledge and understanding.

Science: Study, observations, experiments. .
Belief: This is true because this book says so, and this book is true because this same book says it (itself) is true.
Which do you think is more reliable

Learn to know the difference between myth and facts.
[b]The study on man's development is still under heavy study and researches And with this method one can rightly say the truth is not far from being known.

There was no 'Adam'.

ROSSIKE:
There was no 'Adam'.

Just as simple as that.

twosquare:
Better start believing....the record is a speck of the whole origin of man...

What record you talking about, hope its not the bible?.

johnydon22:
I have been reading thru the thread only this word scrabble on buttered misrepresentation or maybe willful ignorance on your part caught my attention and so i think i've gat to teach you what science really says on evolution cus for someone who claims to have studied zoology and biolchem, you really are not that cognitive with scientific studies. First the bolded clearly shows you have never read anything on evolution (you are just claiming to) If you ever did you would know evolution never stated man evolved from apes, but apes and man (Both hominidae) evolved from one common ancestor just like Cats, lions, tigers (falidae) evolved from one common ancestor. . SCIENCE101 next time read before you comment on a particular subject.
Truth changes with new facts. Science is study and the more new findings are made the better the truth gets on the subject...That is how real truths are unraveled not just believe what some ancient men scribed down without facts backing them up.
(e.g) We were told there were 9planets in the solar system but with discoveries of new planets, that TRUTH (that we have 9planets) changed and we know to have 8main/8mini planets now. and this truth is not constant because more studies are being carried out and with more discoveries, this truth will improve.
(Truths should be based on discovered facts not mythical beliefs)

Nobody is trying to contradict the word of ur god, the word of ur god did that by going contrary to observed facts…

And that is the difference between beliefs and real study based on observations. . Belief establishes a truth based on myths that must remain unchanged even when evidences goes contrary to it.(its called blind belief) science is clearly the opposite.
Can you prove God's (Osiris) existence by scientific discoveries? Dude science has nothing to do with trying to prove myths.

It cannot be discerned by human wisdom yet you are human, how come you know this? let me help; ASSUMPTIONS.
Yea since god finished creating everything within six days magically, how come the universe is still expanding (formation process) Maybe your god didn't rest then but still creating.

Talking about large number of years for evolutionary trends, let me help you with that cus its obvious you dont know;
It takes millions of years. . . modern homo sapiens according to evolution emerged 200-300years ago, so that duration is still very short for humans to evolve (improve) You'd have to stick around a couple million years from now to get that

Yes and this is the very reason why you so very much try to cling to this obvious myth as truth even when it goes contrary to discoveries and evidences because you don't want your illusions destroyed.

And how come you so much price the genesis story, a jewish reworked copy of an older story, the babylonian Enuma elish as the word of god.
If it is then i seriously find the intellectual capability of that being very unimpressive.
Yea adam popped out magically out of thin air when god said the magic words.
But then again you commit the same blunder;Evolution never asserted man came from apes, am sure i have addressed this above.. You need to read something before bringing it up on a public forum like this

Science: Study, observations, experiments. .
Belief: This is true because this book says so, and this book is true because this same book says it (itself) is true.
Which do you think is more reliable

Learn to know the difference between myth and facts.
[b]The study on man's development is still under heavy study and researches And with this method one can rightly say the truth is not far from being known.

I do not argue with those who do not believe in God. We are on two parallel paths that can never meet.

But I agree with you on what you said about primates splitting to apes and man, according to evolution, not according to God's word. Sorry for the misconstruction. Read about evolution of man and you will discover that it is filled with assumptions, unlike God's word that is very precise and definite. I rest my case on discussing this topic with those that do not believe in God.

sylarsquins:


What record you talking about, hope its not the bible?.

yeah, I'm talking about the scriptures...it is so perfect and interesting that it was written in such a way that it is to make people who approach it with human wisdom foolish!!

twosquare:
yeah, I'm talking about the scriptures...it is so perfect and interesting that it was written in such a way that it is to make people who approach it with human wisdom foolish!!

Lolzz, so u approach the bible spiritually?

sylarsquins:


I can cc ur willin to argue till death,follow this link my brother and see the light

www.scienceclarified.com/He-In/Human-Evolution.html

I hope this helps:
Some have wondered, if we are all descendents of Adam and Eve, why are there so many races?
The Bible informed us 2,000 years ago that God has made all nations from “one blood.” We are
all of the same race—the “human race,” descendents of Adam and Eve, something science is
slowly coming to realize.
Reuters news service reported the following article by Maggie Fox:
Science may have caught up with the Bible, which says that Adam and Eve are the ancestors
of all humans alive today.
Peter Underhill of Stanford University in California remarked on findings published in
the November 2000 issue of the journal Nature Genetics...Geneticists have long agreed
there is no genetic basis to race—only to ethnic and geographic groups.
“People look at a very conspicuous trait like skin color and they say,
‘Well, this person’s so different’...but that’s only skin deep,”
Underhill said. “When you look at the level of the Y chromosome
you find that, gee, there is very little difference
between them. And skin color differences are strictly a
consequence of climate.”
QUESTIONS & OBJECTIONS
Q17:26 “Where do all the races come from?”
(evidencebible.com)

Scholar8200:
I hope this helps:
Some have wondered, if we are all descendents of Adam and Eve, why are there so many races?
The Bible informed us 2,000 years ago that God has made all nations from “one blood.” We are
all of the same race—the “human race,” descendents of Adam and Eve, something science is
slowly coming to realize.
Reuters news service reported the following article by Maggie Fox:
Science may have caught up with the Bible, which says that Adam and Eve are the ancestors
of all humans alive today.
Peter Underhill of Stanford University in California remarked on findings published in
the November 2000 issue of the journal Nature Genetics...Geneticists have long agreed
there is no genetic basis to race—only to ethnic and geographic groups.
“People look at a very conspicuous trait like skin color and they say,
‘Well, this person’s so different’...but that’s only skin deep,”
Underhill said. “When you look at the level of the Y chromosome
you find that, gee, there is very little difference
between them. And skin color differences are strictly a
consequence of climate.”
QUESTIONS & OBJECTIONS
Q17:26 “Where do all the races come from?”
(evidencebible.com)

C & P, guess u didn't even read it before pasting it. If I'm to ask wat this article is tryin to prove am damn sure you've got no damn idea.

sylarsquins:


C & P, guess u didn't even read it before pasting it. If I'm to ask wat this article is tryin to prove am damn sure you've got no damn idea.

ok

Scholar8200:
ok

Hope u aint vexed?

sylarsquins:


Lolzz, so u approach the bible spiritually?

Yes sir, coz it is coded. Great minds have tried to crack it, but all end up in error. If you are not humble and think it is by science, you won't get it. How can you use the light of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil to access the archives of Life? It's never done... Most of the things recorded in Genesis are important details compressed. An aspect of God's wisdom in creation; a speck of it is revealed to mankind, and people are going crazy, formulating theories....what will happen if you now see the fullness?

If I remember, I think you mentioned somewhere of DNA being 10000yrs old....I don't know what you are trying to prove but first know and remove that opium of some that the earth is 6000yrs old...no where the scriptures said that. The earth is older than that. Second, Man is not even 6000yrs old. You know why? The Adam in Eden is different in a way to the Adam after Eden (though the same person). First ask yourself, how many years, if we are to calculate it in the realm of Time, that Adam lived in Eden before the arrival of Eve and the Fall? Time and death started counting after the Fall, not before it. Adam then wasn't subjected to Time. And we can't say how many years it was in Eden. But after the fall, he lived 800yrs plus and expired.

Science is good but it is a low type of knowledge and wisdom to crack into realms that machines can't reach. The human wisdom is a wisdom of 'under the sun' and it is even the corrupt type, not the undiluted. Adam was the first Man of our race.

sylarsquins:


Hope u aint vexed?

no

Scholar8200:
no

Aiit G

sylarsquins:


So ur tryna tell me Adam populated d earth, if yes then y we all different n remember Eve was his only woman?.

Sometimes we let religion and the bible deceive us, well am no longer in that category.

I now believe in facts and what I see. So you can quote the bible all you want I still aint coming around anytime soon.

Lol... there is very little 'Christian' left in you. I'm actually relieved to see someone who identifies as Christian and yet is interested in actual facts here on NL.

DProDG:


Lol... there is very little 'Christian' left in you. I'm actually relieved to see someone who identifies as Christian and yet is interested in actual facts here on NL.

I'm interested in scientific facts and not facts here on NL

sylarsquins:


I'm interested in scientific facts and not facts here on NL

That's kinda what I meant. "...One of the few Christains here on NL... that is interested in (scientific) facts."

DProDG:


That's kinda what I meant. "...One of the few Christains here on NL... that is interested in (scientific) facts."

Aiit, the bible aint just enough prove

I have this question in my mind all this years, I ask this question in church I don't get answer. Not until I found a ancient name which link me to the answer,the truth is religions have cover our face not to see things an questions things believe me the answer is out there if we can put the words religion aside u will see thing differently, now the answer is this who is (anuannaki) only few knows about these answer but our leader "Government" know about this because of power and political economy slavery. What did u think US Iraq Iran Israel Russia etc...before I go, again who is "anuannaki"

horlarwhalhe:
I have this question in my mind all this years, I ask this question in church I don't get answer. Not until I found a ancient name which link me to the answer,the truth is religions have cover our face not to see things an questions things believe me the answer is out there if we can put the words religion aside u will see thing differently, now the answer is this who is (anuannaki) only few knows about these answer but our leader "Government" know about this because of power and political economy slavery. What did u think US Iraq Iran Israel Russia etc...before I go, again who is "anuannaki"

I knw we've been deceived by religion since time memorial and am gettin to hear about this (anuannaki) for the 1st time.

The Anunnaki (also transcribed as:
Anunaki, Anunna, Anunnaku, Ananaki
and other variations) are a group of deities
in ancient Mesopotamian cultures (i.e.,
Sumerian, Akkadian, Assyrian, and
Babylonian).[1]

Guess I'll ve to read more about their deities and stuffs.

All these people asking stupid questions. God cannot be made a liar. His word is true... If Adam(man) evolved as science claims, what did we evolve from? Who made the object we evolved from? What did what we evolve from evolve from? Since na evolution dey reign. And tell me, since it was Apes to man. Why haven't we changed to something else? Did evolution stop with man? Receive sense all of you!!

Hiploko:
All these people asking stupid questions. God cannot be made a liar. His word is true... If Adam(man) evolved as science claims, what did we evolve from? Who made the object we evolved from? What did what we evolve from evolve from? Since na evolution dey reign. And tell me, since it was Apes to man. Why haven't we changed to something else? Did evolution stop with man? Receive sense all of you!!

Don't get us wrong, Adam bein the 1st man on earth ws forged frm the Religious or Christians point of vieww through the bible.

Evolutionary processes give rise to diversity at every level of biological organisation, including the levels of species, ndividual organisms, and molecules..

As for ur question on why haven't we evolved to another level, Man as humans are known to be the highest level or state of evolution therefore cannot evolve any further bodywise buh on the level of IQ's and knowledge

Hiploko:
All these people asking stupid questions. God cannot be made a liar. His word is true... If Adam(man) evolved as science claims, what did we evolve from? Who made the object we evolved from? What did what we evolve from evolve from? Since na evolution dey reign. And tell me, since it was Apes to man. Why haven't we changed to something else? Did evolution stop with man? Receive sense all of you!!

Also ask them:
1. From which organism did evolution start?
2. How did the organism come to existence?
3. How were the components that made up that organism formed?
4. How were the things that make up the components of the organism formed? And so on and on.
5. if the primates had evolved to man and apes, do man and apes still evolve from primates, or did evolution stop after the first set of humans evolved?