lezz:
Oh , shut up. I have debated and floored you on this before. We know all about the term NIC, it's a loose term by some ideologist who wish to create s new term and economic class. It is an inclusive and persuasive term that most established, and traditional analyst don't even debate
.....and you're more advanced than China, Russia? . Both are traditional nuclear powers for decades and advance moon and space explorers; russia even pioneered space/moon expliration.
Both are advanced millitary countries with an intimidating economy. China is no 2 while russia is in the lower end of the top 10 economies of the world and a member of the G7 now terminated due to ukraine crisis.

South africas only attempt at nuclear in the 80's with Israeli help when Botha and co were scared shiit by an invasion from neighbours.

Your millitary is still poo poo massacred by angola, dcr, cuba and have no medal of honour whatsover.

Only a zulu will compare china,russia to south africa. South africa should not be put in the same sentence as russia and china.

Too much affiliation with zulus have turned you to something worse in ignorance than a zulu.

hahaha i can see your getting emotional!! But yes we are more developed than China and Russia, the IMF recognizes it ,the CIA recognizes it, the World Bank recognizes it ect ect maybe one day you "Dom Poese" will understand that bigger doesnt mean better.

Anyway when did Cuba, drc or Angola massacre our troops? In the Border war we lost +-1500 troops in 23 years, Cuba alone lost 10 000 troops not to mention the thousands of Angolan troops that were killed!

And we didnt try to manufacture Nuclear weapons, we actually manufactured 6 bombs!

patches689:


Pilots opinion is as clear as crystal

You can post the same thing over and over, and i will keep firing the silver bullet to your argument.

Exactly, the Pilot, he flew the plane didn't he?

"Isn't he the person to pass judgement on the fighters poor agility?". I understand you won't be able to get this with your Pilot shortage and all....... but come on!

jln115:

hahaha i can see your getting emotional!! But yes we are more developed than China and Russia, the IMF recognizes it ,the CIA recognizes it, the World Bank recognizes it ect ect maybe one day you "Dom Poese" will understand that bigger doesnt mean better.

Anyway when did Cuba, drc or Angola massacre our troops? In the Border war we lost +-1500 troops in 23 years, Cuba alone lost 10 000 troops not to mention the thousands of Angolan troops that were killed!

And we didnt try to manufacture Nuclear weapons, we actually manufactured 6 bombs!

lezz has a zulu fixation

Remindes me of poor rednecks who hate jews because they are rich.

An obsession over a cultural identity you crave for yourself leads to bigotry.

patches689:


You keep saying it

But you have no evidence to substantiate your claims.

I want to know why this is so?

It is accurate, evidence is very apparent for everyone to see.

Henry120:


Exactly, the Pilot, he flew the plane didn't he?

"Isn't he the person to pass judgement on the fighters poor agility?". I understand you won't be able to get this with your Pilot shortage and all....... but come on!

The opinion of one of many pilots who flew it.

Statistics and facts are what pass judgment on a platforms agility, not the ramblings of some random pilot.

Anyway, Aviation Week tells a completely different story.

Wanna hear it?

Henry120:


It is accurate, evidence is very apparent for everyone to see.

I dont see a shred of evidence to support your claims.

I want to know why this is so?

patches689:


Problem is, it didnt happen - confirmed by Pretoria, Khartoum and the UN.

Yet again, Nigerians are soo desperate to insult the SANDF that they will grasp any straw no matter how pathetic - just like the fishing boat incident

However, you forget that over 300 of your "brave men" ran across the border in womens dresses or that your army is so pathetic that your higehst ranking officer considers mass desertion as "a normal part of war"

Why are SANDF troops scared of skinny soldiers on Ramadan patrol?


Didn't the inept SANDF mortar a poor lady relaxing in her bedroom?


What highest ranking officer?

Henry120:


Why are SANDF troops scared of skinny soldiers on Ramadan patrol?


Didn't the inept SANDF mortar a poor lady relaxing in her bedroom?

I cant answer a question about something that didnt happen.

Accidents happen - you fire thousands of rounds of ammunition and eventually one lands on the wrong spot. Happens to every military.

see Number 5 - battle tested US soldiers make a colossal mistake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak_L2cpyGZA

I want to know why your men run away in womens dresses and seek refuge in neighboring countries.

patches689:


I dont see a shred of evidence to support your claims.

I want to know why this is so?

Evidence clear for everyone to see, SA defence industry is virtually all white and mostly Afrikanner.

Why is your defence industry sooooo white, do white people make up 90% of South-Africa's population?

Henry120:


Evidence clear for everyone to see, SA defence industry is virtually all white and mostly Afrikanner.

Why is your defence industry sooooo white, do white people make up 90% of South-Africa's population?

What evidence where?

You have yet to post any.

patches689:


I cant answer a question about something that didnt happen.

Accidents happen - you fire thousands of rounds of ammunition and eventually one lands on the wrong spot. Happens to every military.

I want to know why your men run away in womens dresses and seek refuge in neighboring countries.

No, you inept, incompetent peepee troops targeted a poor woman in her bedroom. It goes to show how incompetent and ill-trained SANDF troops are.


Why did your senior officers run away from battle in bangui, why beg for basic medicine/ assistance from the French against Seleka rebels?

patches689:


The opinion of one of many pilots who flew it.

Statistics and facts are what pass judgment on a platforms agility, not the ramblings of some random pilot.

Anyway, Aviation Week tells a completely different story.

Wanna hear it?

Yahoo news say the F-35A got whooped by a cold war relic in a dog fight, the spokesman did not deny this.

Henry120:


No, you inept, incompetent peepee troops targeted a poor woman in her bedroom. It goes to show how incompetent and ill-trained SANDF troops are.


Why did your senior officers run away from battle in bangui, why beg for basic medicine/ assistance from the French against Seleka rebels?

Nope, a mortar round went astray, these things happen all the time.

Who ran away when and where? What is wrong for asking for assistance?

patches689:


lezz has a zulu fixation

Remindes me of poor rednecks who hate jews because they are rich.

An obsession over a cultural identity you crave for yourself leads to bigotry.

Are Zulus rich? Zulus are a bunch of hateful subhumans who thinks being enslaved for so long by the Anglo-dutch has turned them into slave-kings.

patches689:


The opinion of one of many pilots who flew it.

Statistics and facts are what pass judgment on a platforms agility, not the ramblings of some random pilot.

Anyway, Aviation Week tells a completely different story.

Wanna hear it?

On paper statistics and facts.

The random pilot was handed an F-35A! How's that for random?

patches689:


Nope, a mortar round went astray, these things happen all the time.

Who ran away when and where? What is wrong for asking for assistance?

Your incompetent troops mortared a lady.

Your senior officers ran away.

Why beg for assistance when you killed over " 1500 Seleka", seems you were already doing a good job all by yourself.

patches689:


What evidence where?

You have yet to post any.

The Afrikanner Defence industry is 98% white!

You don't need a stat for this one.

lezz:
Are Zulus rich? Zulus are a bunch of hateful subhumans who thinks being enslaved for so long by the Anglo-dutch has turned them into slave-kings.

GBAM !,
GBAM !!,
GMAM !!!,

Henry120:


Yahoo news say the F-35A got whooped by a cold war relic in a dog fight, the spokesman did not deny this.

Yahoo news quoting anecdotal evidence

But whatever, I will bite.

It is largely irrelevant (even if it were true - which it is not) because the F35 is not a fighter

“People all need to look at what F-35 really is,” another aviator comments. “A stealth A-7 bomb truck, capable of first-night suppression of enemy air defenses, with limited self-escort. It is, as software-configured right now, not a light air-combat-maneuvering-capable platform. This is what we saw with the early F/A-18E/F blocks: millions of lines of code, and in need of constant update. But, in this case, it’s becoming increasingly easier to rewrite the code laws to allow for those changes.”

"Lockheed Martin’s response to the release of the report is to downplay the importance of maneuvering combat. “The F-35’s technology is designed to engage, shoot, and kill its enemy from long distances, not necessarily in visual ‘dogfighting’ situations,” the company says."

You wanna talk fighters, talk about the F22.

Henry120:


On paper statistics and facts.

The random pilot was handed an F-35A! How's that for random?

What paper statistics and facts?

Henry120:


Your incompetent troops mortared a lady.

Your senior officers ran away.

Why beg for assistance when you killed over " 1500 Seleka", seems you were already doing a good job all by yourself.

ope, a mortar round went astray, these things happen all the time.

Who ran away when and where? What is wrong for asking for assistance?

Henry120:


The Afrikanner Defence industry is 98% white!

You don't need a stat for this one.

So its 98% white because you say so?

patches689:


In major war, the strength of your armaments industry decides who wins.

Citation needed.

patches689:


In major war, the strength of your armaments industry decides who wins.

South Africa does NOT manufacture major war weapons.

All your armoured vehicle engines, helicopter engines, jet fighters, tanks, warships and submarines, etc are imported from Europe
.

patches689:


Yes, it is an exellent MPA platform, never denied that

However, it is not ISTAR, ELINT or AWAC

Fully loaded with ISTAR equipment, tested in land battles......NAF ATR-42 Surveyor that South Africans dream of buying in year 2050

+ Radar range 407 km
+ Radar modes : Sea/Ground/Land search and Air search
+ Radar scan : 360 degrees surveillance
+ Radar TWS : 200 targets
+ Radar capabilities : Anti-ECCM jamming avoidance
+ Primary role: Surface search/ISTAR
+ Secondary role : mini-AWACS
+ Electronic Support Measures advanced and basic ECM
+ ELINT capability
+ Data links
+ Patrol time : 11 hours
+ Day/Night/Bad weather target operations
+ TV camera colour
+ Long range TV camera black and white
+ Target/Image size magnification
+ FLIR
+ Multiple computer consoles for ATOS mission management systems
+ Service history : Anti-Piracy ops Gulf Of Guinea, Boko Haram War Nigeria
+ Number in service : 2 examples
+ Numbers planned for acquisition : 9 examples
.

agaugust:


South Africa does NOT manufacture major war weapons.

All your armoured vehicle engines, helicopter engines, jet fighters, tanks, warships and submarines, etc are imported from Europe
.

blah blah

I guess we just conjure rooikats up from the dust then

agaugust:


Fully loaded with ISTAR equipment, tested in land battles......NAF ATR-42 Surveyor that South Africans dream of buying in year 2050

+ Radar range 407 km
+ Radar modes : Sea/Ground/Land search and Air search
+ Radar scan : 360 degrees surveillance
+ Radar TWS : 200 targets
+ Radar capabilities : Anti-ECCM jamming avoidance
+ Primary role: Surface search/ISTAR
+ Secondary role : mini-AWACS
+ Electronic Support Measures advanced and basic ECM
+ ELINT capability
+ Data links
+ Patrol time : 11 hours
+ Day/Night/Bad weather target operations
+ TV camera colour
+ Long range TV camera black and white
+ Target/Image size magnification
+ FLIR
+ Multiple computer consoles for ATOS mission management systems
+ Service history : Anti-Piracy ops Gulf Of Guinea, Boko Haram War Nigeria
+ Number in service : 2 examples
+ Numbers planned for acquisition : 9 examples
.

Its not an ISTAR platform, it has no ELINT capabilities and you most certainly are not getting 9 of them

patches689:


blah blah

I guess we just conjure rooikats up from the dust then

Prove that you make Rooikat engine and gun.....blah blah

agaugust:


Citation needed.

The entire military history of the world and basic economics

We have plants that build every single ammunition type we use with the exception of torpedoes

You have to import the majority of ammunition

When you are blowing off 300 tonnes of ammunition a day... who will run low first, us with our plants at home... or you waiting for shipments from abroad (shipments that can be cut)

agaugust:


Prove that you make Rooikat engine and gun.....blah blah

Why do I have to prove that?

Do we build Rooikats, Badger IFV's, G6, Ratles, Ingwe, A-darter, Mokopa, radar, comms, datalinks, all ammunition types, GPMG's, AGL's, autocannons, drones, optics, mortars, MRAP's and attack helicopters or not?

patches689:


Its not an ISTAR platform, it has no ELINT capabilities and you most certainly are not getting 9 of them

LOL.....it does intelligence, surveillance, targeting and recconnaisance, proved from all the manufacturers specs sheets.

What do you think multiple data analysis computers, ESM, radars, FLIR, long range Tv do ? Commercial photography and Hollywood movies ?

ELINT is derived from ESM and linked to SATCOM.....fool :

"There is far less distinction between ESM and ELINT."

http://www.artechhouse.com/uploads/public/documents/chapters/Wiley_925_CH04.pdf

https://www.inmarsatgov.com/uploadedFiles/Resources/Downloads/Ka-Ku-Operational-Considerations-Military.pdf

50 million South Africans do not have ELINT, ESM, and long range ISTAR, so you need Nigerian free education
.

patches689:


Why do I have to prove that?

Do we build Rooikats, Badger IFV's, G6, Ratles, Ingwe, A-darter, Mokopa, radar, comms, datalinks, all ammunition types, GPMG's, AGL's, autocannons, drones, optics, mortars, MRAP's and attack helicopters or not?

Do you build the engines for your vehicles and helicopter? No ! You import from Europe.

Do you build Gripen, Lynx helicopter, Centurion tank, C-130 Hercules, Hawk, Valour frigate, Type 209 submarine ? No !
.