agaugust:


LOL.....it does intelligence, surveillance, targeting and recconnaisance, proved from all the manufacturers specs sheets.

What do you think multiple data analysis computers, ESM, radars, FLIR, long range Tv do ? Commercial photography and Hollywood movies ?

ELINT is derived from ESM and linked to SATCOM.....fool :

"There is far less distinction between ESM and ELINT."

http://www.artechhouse.com/uploads/public/documents/chapters/Wiley_925_CH04.pdf

https://www.inmarsatgov.com/uploadedFiles/Resources/Downloads/Ka-Ku-Operational-Considerations-Military.pdf

50 million South Africans do not have ELINT, ESM, and long range ISTAR, so you need Nigerian free education
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Augustus, you can apply loose definitions to anything and make anything anything

Example:
What is an egg? An egg is a hard thing that contains a nutritional liquid substance! Hence a coca-cola is an egg!

No! An egg is a hard circular/dome shaped thing that contains a nutritional liquid substance! Hence a rotten Watermelon is an egg!

An egg is an egg because we have applied a specific name to a specific thing with very specific characteristics, and according to the manufacturer the ATR42 is an MPA platform.

agaugust:


Do you build the engines for your vehicles and helicopter? No ! You import from Europe.

Do you build Gripen, Lynx helicopter, Centurion tank, C-130 Hercules, Hawk, Valour frigate, Type 209 submarine ? No !
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And we build Rooikats, Badger IFV's, G6, Ratles, Ingwe, A-darter, Mokopa, radar, comms, datalinks, all ammunition types, GPMG's, AGL's, autocannons, drones, optics, mortars, MRAP's and attack helicopters

Importation of components does not mean that we do not build a thing, dont be an dolt!

And yes, we import some things - as apposed to Nigeria whom imports 99.9% of things!!

patches689:


And we build Rooikats, Badger IFV's, G6, Ratles, Ingwe, A-darter, Mokopa, radar, comms, datalinks, all ammunition types, GPMG's, AGL's, autocannons, drones, optics, mortars, MRAP's and attack helicopters

Importation of components does not mean that we do not build a thing, dont be an dolt!

And yes, we import some things - as apposed to Nigeria whom imports 99.9% of things!!

Nigeria too builds LAV, APC, RPG, NVG, LMG, HMG, rifles, mortars, drones, robots, all types of ammunition, rocket pods, etc.

If SANDF does not import aircraft, vehicle, ships, etc.....how will you mount or install your home made hardware on them ?

Plus you don't make any engines for anything, if you lose a vehicle in battle, you need to import new engine from Europe to build replacement.

South Africa is NOT the arms manufacturing giant you think it is. You are a major arms importer like other African nations
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patches689:


Augustus, you can apply loose definitions to anything and make anything anything

Example:
What is an egg? An egg is a hard thing that contains a nutritional liquid substance! Hence a coca-cola is an egg!

No! An egg is a hard circular/dome shaped thing that contains a nutritional liquid substance! Hence a rotten Watermelon is an egg!

An egg is an egg because we have applied a specific name to a specific thing with very specific characteristics, and according to the manufacturer the ATR42 is an MPA platform.

ATR-42 has full ESM capabilities, and ESM is linked to ELINT, they are the same thing....

"There are two basic types of ESM :

ELectronic INTelligence (ELINT)
ELectronic INTelligence primarily dedicated to the interception and analysis of radar emissions from surveillance radars.

COMmunications INTelligence (COMINT)
COMmunications INTelligence, as its name implies, is intended for the interception of communications, whether by voice or datalink."

http://www.radartutorial.eu/16.eccm/ja06.en.html

I forced you to sit down in a Nigerian classroom again today.....ESM = ELINT and NAF ATR-42 has both !
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agaugust:


Nigeria too builds LAV, APC, RPG, NVG, LMG, HMG, rifles, mortars, drones, robots, all types of ammunition, rocket pods, etc.

If SANDF does not import aircraft, vehicle, ships, etc.....how will you mount or install your home made hardware on them ?

Plus you don't make any engines for anything, if you lose a vehicle in battle, you need to import new engine from Europe to build replacement.

South Africa is NOT the arms manufacturing giant you think it is. You are a major arms importer like other African nations
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OMG - you really think that pathetic list of low tech license produced cr@p compares to what we make?

bwa-ahahahahahahahahahaha

So... how does that change the fact that we build weapons? Did i say we build engines or did i say we build weapons?

South Africa is an arms giant, we are in the top 20 exporters in the world. And we are not a major importers - you improt everything, we import only a tiny minority of things

We have an utterly superior arms manufacturing industry, it is not only bigger but its is way more advanced, this is beyond debate

Go brag about home made AK47's to Togo

agaugust:


ATR-42 has full ESM capabilities, and ESM is linked to ELINT, they are the same thing....

"There are two basic types of ESM :

ELectronic INTelligence (ELINT)
ELectronic INTelligence primarily dedicated to the interception and analysis of radar emissions from surveillance radars.

COMmunications INTelligence (COMINT)
COMmunications INTelligence, as its name implies, is intended for the interception of communications, whether by voice or datalink."

http://www.radartutorial.eu/16.eccm/ja06.en.html

I forced you to sit down in a Nigerian classroom again today.....ESM = ELINT = NAF ATR-42 !
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Augustus, you can apply loose definitions to anything and make anything anything

Example:
What is an egg? An egg is a hard thing that contains a nutritional liquid substance! Hence a coca-cola is an egg!

No! An egg is a hard circular/dome shaped thing that contains a nutritional liquid substance! Hence a rotten Watermelon is an egg!

Its an MPA, according to the manufacturer.

Your ATR has the abilitiy to detect - but what ability does it have to analyze emissions? What COMINT abilities does it have?

patches689:


OMG - you really think that pathetic list of low tech license produced cr@p compares to what we make?

bwa-ahahahahahahahahahaha

So... how does that change the fact that we build weapons? Did i say we build engines or did i say we build weapons?

South Africa is an arms giant, we are in the top 20 exporters in the world. And we are not a major importers - you improt everything, we import only a tiny minority of things

We have an utterly superior arms manufacturing industry, it is not only bigger but its is way more advanced, this is beyond debate

Go brag about home made AK47's to Togo

Go brag about your MRAP with European engine to Sudan

I proved that both SA and NIG are major arms importers.

When SA builds tanks, jets, frigates, come back and talk to us here.....your entire military runs on European imported hardware !
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patches689:
Augustus

I am still waiting for you to name the NAF ATR-42 radar and it's range....are you afraid again ?
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agaugust:


Go brag about your MRAP with European engine to Sudan

I proved that both SA and NIG are major arms importers.

When SA builds tanks, jets, frigates, come back and talk to us here.....your entire military runs on European imported hardware !
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We bragged about it to America and they decided to buy them

You proved nothing.

You can try to drag us down to your level, but it doesnt work.

The majority of our equipment is domestically produced - the majority of that majority is domestically designed

99.9% of the equipment in your arsenal is imported.

We can sustain a major war without any imports (as we did in the past) you cannot

agaugust:


I am still waiting for you to name the NAF ATR-42 radar and it's range....are you afraid again ?

I am still waiting for many things from you

Why are you still afraid?

patches689:


Its an MPA, according to the manufacturer.

Some kinds damn deadly MPA with ISTAR and AWACS capabilities all combined into one aircraft.....NAF ATR-42.

patches689:


Your ATR has the abilitiy to detect - but what ability does it have to analyze emissions ? What COMINT abilities does it have?

ELINT, not COMINT, that's what it majors on, ELINT. Does ELINT exist in SANDF ? No !

Analyze emissions detected? Easy job for ATR-42....

"ATR-42 ELECTRONIC SUPPORT MEASURES (ESM)
Functions
■ Detection of long range radar targets
during night and in adverse weather
conditions, even in dense signal
environment
■ Recording data and loading libraries
on intercepted radar
Capabilities
■ Radar emissions detection in a dense
electromagnetic environment (2-18
Ghz)

■ Radar emissions analysis,
identification and location

■ Tracking on multiple emissions
simultaneously
■ High degree of flexibility to meet the evolution radar of the environment"

http://www.atraircraft.com/datas/download_center/38/atr_42_surveyor_2004_38.pdf


Patrick Patches, leave this NAF ATR-42 Surveyor random arguments, you have lost the battle completely !

NAF ATR-42 is MPA + ISTAR + ESM + ELINT + AWACS.....multi-purpose aircraft equal to the best in USA and EU !
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patches689:


lezz has a zulu fixation

Remindes me of poor rednecks who hate jews because they are rich.

An obsession over a cultural identity you crave for yourself leads to bigotry.

Jap stem 100% saam!

patches689:

We bragged about it to America and they decided to buy them

You proved nothing.

You can try to drag us down to your level, but it doesnt work.

The majority of our equipment is domestically produced - the majority of that majority is domestically designed

99.9% of the equipment in your arsenal is imported.

We can sustain a major war without any imports (as we did in the past) you cannot

And how has that ended up for South-Africa?

The majority of your land systems use European made parts. South-Africa only mostly builds hulls.

You cannot sustain a war without major imports, you are self-dependant on european imports like every other African Nations.

Henry120:


And how has that ended up for South-Africa?

What do you mean?

jln115:

What do you mean?

The MRAPs, how has that worked out for South-Africa, with Bushmaster, Navatis, Sandcat, Typhoon K, Typhoon, Cougar, BMC...... You now get the point?

Henry120:


The MRAPs, how has that worked out for South-Africa, with Bushmaster, Navatis, Sandcat, Typhoon K, Typhoon, Cougar, BMC...... You now get the point?

Uhm.....Obviously it worked out well because they imported millions of dollars worth of MRAPs from us!

jln115:

hahaha i can see your getting emotional!! But yes we are more developed than China and Russia, the IMF recognizes it ,the CIA recognizes it, the World Bank recognizes it ect ect maybe one day you "Dom Poese" will understand that bigger doesnt mean better.

Anyway when did Cuba, drc or Angola massacre our troops? In the Border war we lost +-1500 troops in 23 years, Cuba alone lost 10 000 troops not to mention the thousands of Angolan troops that were killed! Angola roasted your military, S.A was desperate to the point of considering nuclear.

Give me a source that south Africa is more industrialized than China, by infrastructure, technology and science. One next post. Failure to convincingly do so will earn you a free, express ticket to the synagogue for laying of hands and deliverance from acute buffoonery and stark ignorance.

And we didnt try to manufacture Nuclear weapons, we actually manufactured 6 bombs!

Israel was helping you in nuclear in the 80's. Period. America pulled the plugs. Fact.

lezz:
Israel was helping you in nuclear in the 80's. Period. America pulled the plugs. Fact.

Who says we didn't help them? As far as i have it a lot of countries co develop weapons!

jln115:

Uhm.....Obviously it worked out well because they imported millions of dollars worth of MRAPs from us!

The U.S fielded 12,700 MRAPs in Afghanistan from 2007 - eventual withdrawal. By 2012, the U.S had spent $50 billion in manufacturing 27,000 MRAP vehicle.

Here you are bragging about the less than 150 systems BAE systems South-Africa sold to the Americans.

Boko Haram kills 150 people in Nigeria.



http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/africa/76979-150702-nigeria-at-least-97-dead-in-latest-boko-haram-massacre

agaugust:


Do you build the engines for your vehicles and helicopter? No ! You import from Europe.

Do you build Gripen, Lynx helicopter, Centurion tank, C-130 Hercules, Hawk, Valour frigate, Type 209 submarine ? No !
.

SA builts automobile engines under licence from European companies. Nigeria import them as a whole.

SA contributed immensely on Gripens. They changed the whole face and look of Centurion tanks and Lynx helicopters and made them legally to be their products. Olifant tank is no longer a centurion tank. It might have started as centurion but it is no longer a centurion and does not use centurion spare parts at all. The olifant tank can now only be maintained by SA and nobody else

Henry120:


The U.S fielded 12,700 MRAPs in Afghanistan from 2007 - eventual withdrawal. By 2012, the U.S had spent $50 billion in manufacturing 27,000 MRAP vehicle.

Here you are bragging about the less than 150 systems BAE systems South-Africa sold to the Americans.

How many MRAPs have Nigeria exported to the US?..........Or just exported?

jln115:

hahaha i can see your getting emotional!! But yes we are more developed than China and Russia, the IMF recognizes it ,the CIA recognizes it, the World Bank recognizes it ect ect maybe one day you "Dom Poese" will understand that bigger doesnt mean better.

Anyway when did Cuba, drc or Angola massacre our troops? In the Border war we lost +-1500 troops in 23 years, Cuba alone lost 10 000 troops not to mention the thousands of Angolan troops that were killed!

And we didnt try to manufacture Nuclear weapons, we actually manufactured 6 bombs!

give me a source which says south Africa is more industrialized than China. On your next post please.

jln115:

How many MRAPs have Nigeria exported to the US?..........Or just exported?

NOTHING

jln115:

How many MRAPs have Nigeria exported to the US?..........Or just exported?

We don't export MRAPs, but you do. You claim to export a product, but got roundly beaten, used and dumped by those you claim to export to.

The world's most popular MRAPs are, Maxxpro( USA), Cougar (USA), Bushmaster (Australia), BMC(Turkey), CS/VP3 (China). These are the world's most widely known MRAPs, yet South-Africa is supposed to be an MRAP design leader..... LOL!!

lezz:
give me a source which says south Africa is more industrialized than China. On your next post please.

These South-Africans are downright delusional.

Henry120:


We don't export MRAPs, but you do. You claim to export a product, but got roundly beaten, used and dumped by those you claim to export to.

The world's most popular MRAPs are, Maxxpro( USA), Cougar (USA), Bushmaster (Australia), BMC(Turkey), CS/VP3 (China). These are the world's most widely known MRAPs, yet South-Africa is supposed to be an MRAP design leader..... LOL!!

Cougar (South African design)

However your choice is subjective.

SOUTH AFRICA IS HOWEVER UNDOUBTEDLY THE LEADER OF MRAPS IN THE WORLD. WE INTRODUCED THOSE VEHICLES IN THE WORLD AND HENCE WE LEAD THE WHOLE WORLD INCLUDING AMERICA. WE SCHOOLED AMERICA, AUSTRALIA AND CHINA THE TECHNICAL KNOW HOW OF DESIGNING AND MANUFACTURING MRAPS.

CURRENTLY THE SPRINGBOK COMPANY IS TEACHING NIGERIANS THE A-TO-Z OF DESIGNING AND MANUFACTURING OF MRAPS.

Henry120:


We don't export MRAPs, but you do. You claim to export a product, but got roundly beaten, used and dumped by those you claim to export to.

The world's most popular MRAPs are, Maxxpro( USA), Cougar (USA), Bushmaster (Australia), BMC(Turkey), CS/VP3 (China). These are the world's most widely known MRAPs, yet South-Africa is supposed to be an MRAP design leader..... LOL!!

Based on what vehicles are all those MRAPs designed?

jln115:

Based on what vehicles are all those MRAPs designed?

The fvck? ........They are based on the various companies extensive design and testings.


They are not based on South-African MRAPs.

Henry120:


The fvck? ........They are based on the various companies extensive design and testings.


They are not based on South-African MRAPs.

Actually if a MRAP has a V shaped hull then its essentially based on the Caspir.

Henry120:


The fvck? ........They are based on the various companies extensive design and testings.


They are not based on South-African MRAPs.

All are based on the knowledge obtained from SA design and touch.

THERE IS NO ANY WAR TODAY THAT CAN EVER BE AND THERE IS NO PROUDLY MADE IN SOUTH AFRICA EQUIPMENTS WHICH ARE INVOLVED. ALMOST ALL MODERN WAR WE HAD ONE OR EVEN MORE SA MADE EQUIPMENTS OR WEAPONS INVOLVED. EVEN IN BOKO HARAM WAR THERE HAD BEEN PROUDLY MADE SA WEAPONS INVOLVED.