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Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by UyiIredia(m): 11:29pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
thehomer: Those structures you describe merely make up L-isomers. Again, what natural process makes organisms use only L-isomers ? |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:32pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
thehomer: God created man As a debater , you should know your opponent |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:35pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
UyiIredia: Me sef Tire ! |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by jayriginal: 11:35pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
As for transitional species, when one is provided, another is demanded. No account is taken of the difficult conditions for fossilization. You can't win. God did it. 2 Likes |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by thehomer: 11:36pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
UyiIredia: Life is a natural process and that makes proteins. Secondly, the precursors are readily available. I still don't see the point you're trying to make. UyiIredia: No neurons don't get turned on and off. Do pumps work by contracting muscles? Again, your talk about nanotech is still no better than your talk about pumps and computers. UyiIredia: Actually you need to because you should be able to explain what the theory of evolution does and more. UyiIredia: It is a fact that life arose in a different environment. How about the fact that there was a time when the earth was to hot to support life? Why exactly should the fact that life arose on earth by natural processes mean that it must also happen everywhere else? This makes no more sense than saying since there are humans living on one part of earth's surface, they must live everywhere. How about the fact that the earth cooled and still changed further. UyiIredia: Haven't you been reading what I said? Again there are philosophical reasons not to accept your assertions. As I've said in the past, I don't know exactly how it arose but that isn't enough reason for me to say your God did it. Everything is wrong with it the way you're using it. The different species are still living organisms. What you're referring to as similarities actually aren't that similar. Saying humans invent things therefore God invented other things is missing too many steps to be valid. 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by thehomer: 11:38pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
davidylan: Well, why don't you consult the texts or search online for evidence of evolution. I'm sure you'll see fossils somewhere in there. Merely asserting they're not doesn't make them stop being evidence of evolution. 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by UyiIredia(m): 11:40pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
thehomer: This is a very poor answer. The proteins are made of those isomers so saying humans use L-isomers because their proteins only use the L-isomers is circular logic. 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:40pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
davien: Have you heard of random people who look alike as a pair , does that mean they are twins or siblings ? |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by davien(m): 12:08am On Jul 15, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:DNA-wise,yes...what exactly do you think makes genetic tests so reliable. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by UyiIredia(m): 12:09am On Jul 15, 2015 |
thehomer: This is a poor answer. The requirement is natural processes excluding life that could effect the same kind of biochemicals life has. If natural processes lack that ability they couldn't have effected life. thehomer: Neurons get turned on and off when they are or aren't firing electrical impulses. Artificial hearts don't need to contract actual muscles, they are similar in that they contract. Does an artificial muscle have to be invented before you see their similarity ? If you ignore nanotech and genetic engineering you are being unreasonable. DNA computers, artificial chromosomes, buckyballs, artificial skin etc get as close to elements of living things as it is. thehomer: This is silly. Just as you don't have to accept creation because abiogenesis is unevidenced, I don't have to propose another theory to show that evolution is wrong. thehomer: It doesn't have to happen everywhere else. One other planet would be good for starters, after all humans don't all live in one place. It's amazing that you still hold unto an unevidenced belief while holding a position that lays claim to 'reason and logic'. thehomer: If different species are living organisms then hearts, brains, pumps and computers are functional systems (comprised of various parts achieving a given purpose). Must man design an artificial lifeform before you accept the similarities ? Not to mention that designing such is not impossible and would be a powerful argument for design. I think your 'philosophical reasons' term is a smokescreen, but then again, what are these philosophical reasons ? |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by UyiIredia(m): 12:11am On Jul 15, 2015 |
davien: Wrong. People can look similar and yet have different ancestry and different DNA. That's the point. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by UyiIredia(m): 12:12am On Jul 15, 2015 |
thehomer: What evidence do you find the most convincing about evolution ? |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by davien(m): 12:13am On Jul 15, 2015 |
UyiIredia:Humans only have less than 1% variation...does that make them "not human"? impeccable logic |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:13am On Jul 15, 2015 |
davien: no they are not ... you are missing the point . My point was similarity means nothing , comparing the anatomy of ape and man does not mean evolution took place . |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by davien(m): 12:16am On Jul 15, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:So also by the same logic if i compare your father's DNA to yours and it's similar it means nothing,you have no father then..your birth didn't take place.. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by UyiIredia(m): 12:16am On Jul 15, 2015 |
Just to keep things in perspective the purpose of this thread was to argue for God as generally understood (by theists and deists), the Creator of the universe. I think one must first get atheists to accepting there's a God before arguing for why it has to be the God of a religion. As it is, getting a deist out of an atheist is as difficult as turning lead into gold, or as Jesus said, getting a camel through a needle's eye. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by davien(m): 12:18am On Jul 15, 2015 |
UyiIredia:I agree.... |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by UyiIredia(m): 12:19am On Jul 15, 2015 |
davien: I don't get |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:20am On Jul 15, 2015 |
@ davien ... these people are total strangers to each other but share some resemblance . They are not related in any way . Its amazing !
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Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:22am On Jul 15, 2015 |
davien: Am sure this comment does not make sense even to you . Please keep shut and dont embarrass yourself , Thanks |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by davien(m): 12:22am On Jul 15, 2015 |
UyiIredia:Here's an educative piece on the variation of our genomes... @Kingebukasblog Just as you can look at two people and tell that they are different,you could, with the proper chemicals and laboratory equipment, look at the genomes of two people and tell that they are different, too. In fact, people are unique in large part because their genomes are unique. There are more than three million differences between your genome and anyone else's. On the other hand, we are all 99.9 percent the same, DNA-wise http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/resources/whats_a_genome/Chp4_1.shtml |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by davien(m): 12:25am On Jul 15, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:I can see i struck a nerve...similarity means nothing now....so the only person with similar DNA to you isn't related to you,by your logic you're an orphan or a mutant,lol.... |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:26am On Jul 15, 2015 |
UyiIredia: Its simple . Their perception of God comes from the wrong practice of religion . Like what the SA pastor did to his gullible members - the atheist can see Christianity as as some scam or a tool used to control people. Its clearly evident that there's a supreme being , denial is pure hypocrisy. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by UyiIredia(m): 12:28am On Jul 15, 2015 |
davien: So what ? That doesn't mean all humans came from a single ancestor. It's funny how evolutionists scoff at Adam and Eve and actually hold the more extreme posiition that all life resulted from a universal ancestor. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by UyiIredia(m): 12:29am On Jul 15, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Yes. Bad religion doesn't help at all. In addition, atheism never made sense to me. Like most others, life on earth and the awesomeness of the universe were enough for me to assume God. A deist I can begin to understand, but I see atheism as ridiculous, evolution even more so. I see evolution as more of the problem since it gives grounds for atheism. If life was created then God exists, if life evolved then God can be dismissed. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by davien(m): 12:30am On Jul 15, 2015 |
Kingebukasblog...by your logic...the matching chromosomes here doesn't mean they're related...the kid's similar pairs mean nothing..
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Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:31am On Jul 15, 2015 |
davien: Please is this difficult to understand : People who share striking resemblance have been proven not to be related in any way . Bringing the father-son comparison is just a facetious attempt to digress from the issue at hand - similarity is not an evidence of evolution |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by davien(m): 12:35am On Jul 15, 2015 |
UyiIredia:That's exclusively what it means....your mix of genes had an ancestor did it not...i've not even gotten into theology yet...we're still in biology.. Even if you believe in a creator,your genes can be traced through a myriad of ancestors which i and everyone shared...that's factual dude...unless you also want to say similarity means nothing,and i'd include you in KEB's palava of not having a Dad or Mum..lol |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:36am On Jul 15, 2015 |
davien: *sigh* ... how about sitting down and making a good research on the examples I gave you . Why do they share some facial similarity but not in any way ever related and it has been proven these people are not related . |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by jayriginal: 12:38am On Jul 15, 2015 |
UyiIredia: You'd be surprised. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by davien(m): 12:39am On Jul 15, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:I know what you mean KEB...but you and i know that DNA is what proves ancestry and has the strongest stand in determining anything...in a court of law,that can even lead to a life or death situation... |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by davien(m): 12:41am On Jul 15, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Because people don't just look at fossils and say off-hand whats related and what's not....they make charts based on DNA... |
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