saxywale:

Thanks for this exposure 9jacrip. I have been trying to understand the difference between both for a while.
Also, Is it true that the natives of Ifon-Orolu in Osun state are descendants of Obatala.

Yes.
Ifon was Obatala's first son.
He has a compound which his offsprings occupy till today.

Ifon left Ife for Ifon in Osun and people from there moved to found another Ifon in Ondo.

The Olufon plays a major role in Odun Obatala and also during Ifon festival.

Olufon is regarded as Ifon incarnate and the kings of both Ifon towns look to him for whatever borders on Ifon or Obatala.

I'll look for the picture of the present Olufon and share.

9jacrip:



Yes.
Ifon was Obatala's first son.
He has a compound which his offsprings occupy till today.

Ifon left Ife for Ifon in Osun and people from there moved to found another Ifon in Ondo.

The Olufon plays a major role in Odun Obatala and also during Ifon festival.

Olufon is regarded as Ifon incarnate and the kings of both Ifon towns look to him for whatever borders on Ifon or Obatala.

I'll look for the picture of the present Olufon and share.

Thanks. I appreciate. Knowledge is power.

juman:


I see in some yoruba movies that they use hot drinks when doing yoruba sacrifices or things like that, what is the connection between those sacrifice and hot drinks?

You can use water or gin, it is part of a process.

ayyoshert:
I was in pearl too, left for moremi '89. I will def. Know you.

Oh it is possible.

9jacrip:


You can use water or gin, it is part of a process.

Hmmm.

But i think mostly they use hot drink. May be hot drink is special to them or something.

Hot drink came from foreign land so i wonder what could be why they use it. Why it has special significance.

9jacrip:


No.
I, like me fellow Isese folks, worship the creator of everything natual.

Jesus was human, Muhammed was human.

We do not worship Obatala or any deity, we follow the path they towed and propitiate them. Every prayer starts with Olodumare and ends with Ase Olodumare. Every human is cut off.

I see

abumeinben:

I see

juman:


Hmmm.

But i think mostly they use hot drink. May be hot drink is special to them or something.

Hot drink came from foreign land so i wonder what could be why they use it. Why it has special significance.

No, we've had our locally distilled gin from way back.

9jacrip

Always representing positively. I am proud of you bro.

Please continue to share your knowledge of Yoruba culture and history.


@ All

Please learn to ignore those who display the ability of being resistant to knowledge. Especially those who look down on their own culture thinking it is lesser than foreign ones.

azimibraun:
Peuto Ricans have a word OBATALA does it have any similarities in meaning with the yoruba OBATALA?

Yep.

Katsumoto:
9jacrip

Always representing positively. I am proud of you bro.

Please continue to share your knowledge of Yoruba culture and history.


@ All

Please learn to ignore those who display the ability of being resistant to knowledge. Especially those who look down on their own culture thinking it is lesser than foreign ones.

Egbon mi, thank you.
I am only trying to keep up with the path you and other folks before me charted. I wish you were not so scarce on here to share your knowledge as you used to.

@ 9jacrip,

While gins and the likes are used in the protiation of other deities, it is not used in particular when Obatala is concerned, mostly due to the folklore of having created disabled human forms as result of being drunk, is that assertion wrong?

Also, I have read some accounts of Obatala changing form to a woman and having a tumultuous sexual union with Aganju to get passage somewhere. The result of that union supposedly led to the birth of Sango and the reason for Sango's powers. Can you relate any actual events to these lores please?

Also, can you shed some light on his creative side? I read one book a few years ago where the author insinuated that the neglect of Ogun( the deity of technology as he referred to him) , Esu ( the muse) and Obatala ( the deity of creativity) is the reason why we remain backward? Every insight would be appreciated, thanks.

Ifa Will Know Crew please come out, your attention is highly needed.

what's the festival all about.

الحمدلله علي نعمة الءسلام

nduchucks:
Is this Orisha Nla an idol?

No it/he is not

macof:


No it/he is not

The Orisha is not an "it" or a "he" and I suppose not a "she" either. Are graven images of the entity worshipped, be they tangible or imaginary?

https://www.nairaland.com/2426754/stunning-images-african-orisha-deities

See what all Yoruba Gods look like!

learning

Q
Sir I will Like to know, can anyone connected to obatala family drink palm wine or is only initiate? thanks

@9jacrip
any authoritative text on Obatala ?
If there is none, I think it is time one is
compiled as oral tradition can't keep all the
knowledge passed down from generations.

This knowledge will eventually be lost if no
attempt is made to preserve them.

brianero24:

A bit too much of paganism.

Mbediogu:


A bit too much of paganism.

What the hell are you doing on this thread ?
Go back to your "unpagan" threads.

neocortex:
@9jacrip
any authoritative text on Obatala ?
If there is none, I think it is time one is
compiled as oral tradition can't keep all the
knowledge passed down from generations.

This knowledge will eventually be lost if no
attempt is made to preserve them.

There is actually a work written by the present Oloja/Obalesun, so yes there's a work on Obatala which I'm looking to expand upon.

Thank you for the concern, God bless you.

Are this Ppl juuju ppl


Soo Ppl r still doing this rubbish Evn wit dis advance wrld.

All this diabolic stuff,wen Ppl r fighting for ticket to heaven. I Jst cnt stop laffing.


Me Dat has bin hustling for ticket to heaven n Ppl r busy doin dis.


So Wat is police still waiting for.


Is this Nt cult,Wat Mre do Dey need Na.

Dis is cult Na.

vickylala239:
Are this Ppl juuju ppl


Soo Ppl r still doing this rubbish Evn wit dis advance wrld.

All this diabolic stuff,wen Ppl r fighting for ticket to heaven. I Jst cnt stop laffing.


Me Dat has bin hustling for ticket to heaven n Ppl r busy doin dis.

Tell that to the indians, or Thais still practicing their traditions with pride....

yinkarh187:
eediot every reasonable religion frown against idolatry...u guys are d main problem we have here in africa wen d whole world is moving u still decided to follow ur stupid fore fathers
Ps if u must quote me don't insult me

Then surely christianity isn't a reasonable religion. ..
(See below for idols in the religion called christianity)
And with islam, well we all know the famous black stone in mecca that all muslims face when praying

As to us being the problem - ask urself how exactly is Isese the problem? No african government runs on Isese. .. religious fellows like you are the majority, and here the majority have their way
Because of ur likes African culture isn't being sold out like middle eastern or Western culture on which you seem to have wrecked your life buying.
The immense hatred you fellows have for African values, and knowledge prevent local production of things that we can benefit from economically

You insulted 9jacrip by calling an eediot on the same post u called his(your) ancestors silly and beg not to be insulted hilarious.

naijababe:
@ 9jacrip,

While gins and the likes are used in the protiation of other deities, it is not used in particular when Obatala is concerned, mostly due to the folklore of having created disabled human forms as result of being drunk, is that assertion wrong?

Also, I have read some accounts of Obatala changing form to a woman and having a tumultuous sexual union with Aganju to get passage somewhere. The result of that union supposedly led to the birth of Sango and the reason for Sango's powers. Can you relate any actual events to these lores please?

Also, can you shed some light on his creative side? I read one book a few years ago where the author insinuated that the neglect of Ogun( the deity of technology as he referred to him) , Esu ( the muse) and Obatala ( the deity of creativity) is the reason why we remain backward? Every insight would be appreciated, thanks.

Sis, just so I won't delay a response to you, I'm going to have to itemize my responses and you'd have to pardon me for it.

1. What Obatala got drunk off of was palm wine which is prohibited. It is one of the strongest don'ts of Obatala follower-ship ethos. One can drink gin and other types of brews but generally, drinking beyond limit is seriously frowned at. Generally, humility and being able to set positive examples for kids is paramount - excess consumption of alcohol in whatever form does not encourage this.

2. Please keep in mind there's a dichotomy between actual historical occurrence and symbolism/spiritualism/myth. There's nothing I can really relate to the occurrence you shared. Maybe that was gotten from an Ifa verse to explain a situation and not to be taken literally? Reason I find it hard to relate is because we know for a fact Oranmiyan was Sango's pops and Oranmiyan was not even in existence when Obatala was around - too far to draw a connection or relate it to an actual event.

3. The author was not far from the truth with what he said. Think about this, why is it that Africa and Africans generally sank to the bottom of everything when we adopted foreign belief systems meanwhile when we believed in our ancestral deities and followed them completely was the period we recorded so many inventions and even civilizations much talked about today?

yinkarh187:
ok but dey believe in d fairy tale/ night stories their forefathers told dem

See how you have rejected ur identity. .. they are now "their" ancestors not yours?
The Jewish ancestors like Abraham, moses, David are ur ancestors right?

Later you will say those who know their origins are the problem with africa

vickylala239:
Are this Ppl juuju ppl


Soo Ppl r still doing this rubbish Evn wit dis advance wrld.

All this diabolic stuff,wen Ppl r fighting for ticket to heaven. I Jst cnt stop laffing.


Me Dat has bin hustling for ticket to heaven n Ppl r busy doin dis.


So Wat is police still waiting for.


Is this Nt cult,Wat Mre do Dey need Na.

Dis is cult Na.

You'll be at peace with yourself when you realize there is:

No heaven but possibly reincarnation.

No devil, whatever wrong you do is the manifestation of the evil in you.

No standard sin except that which your conscience tells you.

gungab:
Q
Sir I will Like to know, can anyone connected to obatala family drink palm wine or is only initiate? thanks

Connected and initiate.

The connected person should avoid it normally either he/she follows Obatala or not, it has adverse effects.

The initiate should avoid it completely too.

nduchucks:


The Orisha is not an "it" or a "he" and I suppose not a "she" either. Are graven images of the entity worshipped, be they tangible or imaginary?

God the creator is worshiped.

The entity, spiritual, is followed.