mikkyword:
what's the festival all about.

1. Remembrance of the Historical Great man Obatala
2. Keeping cultur and heritage alive
3. It's also of spiritual significance as several rituals and prayers are performed to ensure the Spirits favour the land

vickylala239:
Are this Ppl juuju ppl


Soo Ppl r still doing this rubbish Evn wit dis advance wrld.

All this diabolic stuff,wen Ppl r fighting for ticket to heaven. I Jst cnt stop laffing.


Me Dat has bin hustling for ticket to heaven n Ppl r busy doin dis.


So Wat is police still waiting for.


Is this Nt cult,Wat Mre do Dey need Na.

Dis is cult Na.

Bros listen, I am not into ATR, but having studied Archaeology/Cultural Anthropology/Religious studies, I have come to realise that MAN created GOD and not the other way round. this is because, our ancestors believed in OLODUMARE, and also AWON ORISHA. When the west brought their culture ,they introduced the concept of GOD. see ehn, the matter pass your comprehension.

yinkarh187:
tradition lyk using human lives for sacrifice abi irmc

our traditions don't require human sacrifice(in blood)

9jacrip:



Yes.
Ifon was Obatala's first son.
He has a compound which his offsprings occupy till today.

Ifon left Ife for Ifon in Osun and people from there moved to found another Ifon in Ondo.

The Olufon plays a major role in Odun Obatala and also during Ifon festival.

Olufon is regarded as Ifon incarnate and the kings of both Ifon towns look to him for whatever borders on Ifon or Obatala.

I'll look for the picture of the present Olufon and share.

Wait! So Olufon resides in Ife?
How then do we explain the connection btw the Olufon in Ife and the Olufon of Ifon-Orolu?
Yes both are descended from obatala but who fathered who between the two

macof:


Wait! So Olufon resides in Ife?
How then do we explain the connection btw the Olufon in Ife and the Olufon of Ifon-Orolu?
Yes both are descended from obatala but who fathered who between the two

Yes, there is Olufon in Ife.
He holds the post of the Ifon in his compound in Ife and also the post of Ifon at Olorisa compound as Obatala's firstborn.
Also the King in both Ifon towns represent Ifon has their kings.

princealeto:
what a diabolic tradition

What is diabolical here? So anything not based on western culture is diabolic

juman:


Hmmm.

But i think mostly they use hot drink. May be hot drink is special to them or something.

Hot drink came from foreign land so i wonder what could be why they use it. Why it has special significance.

juman:
@ macof

I see in some yoruba movies that they use hot drinks when doing yoruba sacrifices or things like that, what is the connection between those sacrifice and hot drinks?

There's a drink Oguro made from special trees and heated. .
aalthough am not sure I've ever tasted the substance at all...I believe it's like hot gin so I guess in absence of the real deal they settlesettle for foreign gin
My uncle serves people with it too

Notice the similarity with the name "ogogoro" of pidgin (originally from urhobo language)

neocortex:
@9jacrip
any authoritative text on Obatala ?
If there is none, I think it is time one is
compiled as oral tradition can't keep all the
knowledge passed down from generations.

This knowledge will eventually be lost if no
attempt is made to preserve them.

You are right here, I think it's high time we stop restrictions on uninitiates and reform the system into institutions

Back in the days initiation was like enrolling in a college

macof:


You are right here, I think it's high time we stop restrictions on uninitiates and reform the system into institutions

Back in the days initiation was like enrolling in a college

Gbammest gbam. The greatest disservice is the esoteric nature of the traditions. One is reduced to following folklore and all sort unverified claims.

Think about what the reformation did for Christianity.

9jacrip:



You'll be at peace with yourself when you realize there is:

No heaven but possibly reincarnation.

No devil, whatever wrong you do is the manifestation of the evil in you.

No standard sin except that which your conscience tells you.

Bros no vex ohh!!

I knw u guys who bliv in piece of carved wood will attack Mi.

Sorry ohh

naijababe:

Gbammest gbam. The greatest disservice is the esoteric nature of the traditions. One is reduced to following folklore and all sort unverified claims.
Think about what the reformation did for Christianity.

macof:


You are right here, I think it's high time we stop restrictions on uninitiates and reform the system into institutions

Back in the days initiation was like enrolling in a college

What is esoteric about the tradition is the spiritual aspect of it, history is never shrouded in secrecy if you ask.

Nigerian historians have become lazy and redundant, westernization has made the younger generation lose interest in their history and the circle goes on.

A friend of mine was going to write a dissertation on Ifa in UI History department but was shot down. Infact that supervisor started hustling him with some christianity bullsh.

sukkot:
this is rubbish. useless archaic tradition. only tradition and culture you need is YAH

Even the culture and traditions of yah are archaic (and certainly useless to Africa. ..we've seen that for many centuries already)

Yet Israel and Jewish communities outside israel (ie. In Ethiopia) guides their archaic traditions jealousy
Africans should do likewise in regards to African culture and traditions, we should encourage our knowledge regardless how archaic it is. ..it cannot be more useless than the archaic traditions of others that we currently operate on

Look at Nigeria for instance, importing everything and discouraging anything produced and distributed locally. ..making other nations richer at its own expense

ayxmania:

Bros listen, I am not into ATR, but having studied Archaeology/Cultural Anthropology/Religious studies, I have come to realise that MAN created GOD and not the other way round. this is because, our ancestors believed in OLODUMARE, and also AWON ORISHA. When the west brought their culture ,they introduced the concept of GOD. see ehn, the matter pass your comprehension.

Keep reading junks Okkk..

Man created God!! Ur own Don Pass papaw leaf Na d root u Dey smoke Nw.

Dnt go n read Bible rather u prefer to go read junks!!

Y e no go Pass my comprehension, wen u defense knw say u wan deceive Ppl.

Na Ppl Lik u Dey Mke Ppl leave God run to jujuu n run bck wen d jujuu has dealt wit dem.

Wen teachers Dey teach for skool say humans bin form from ape Na Ppl Lik u dem Dey target.

U for Also tell Mi say Na my papa give birth to Mi,Since u don catch minutes to deceive.

U c Bible u no read Na junks u wan read

vickylala239:



Bros no vex ohh!!

I knw u guys who bliv in piece of carved wood will attack Mi.

Sorry ohh

Alright sir.

You can bask in your believe in cross-murdered human (go research about cross method of execution in Rome way back) or your belief in a cubicle in Mecca.

9jacrip:


Alright sir.

You can bask in your believe in cross-murdered human (go research about cross method of execution in Rome way back) or your belief in a cubicle in Mecca.

Guy I Dnt research any tin d devil is strong,only the Bible cn defeat dem.

U r directing Mi to whr d devil has soak his blood.

Y Nt direct Mi to holy bible?

9jacrip:


What is esoteric about the tradition is the spiritual aspect of it, history is never shrouded in secrecy if you ask.

Nigerian historians have become lazy and redundant, westernization has made the younger generation lose interest in their history and the circle goes on.

A friend of mine was going to write a dissertation on Ifa in UI History department but was shot down. Infact that supervisor started hustling him with some christianity bullsh.

What about the theorical study of the spiritual aspects. .nd not the deep things themselves

If Isese people come together to teach the traditions in an organized institution everyone will gain

A good example is the Ifa heritage institution in Oyo, something big and of more seriousness should be done


And it's true. ..people parading as historians have displayed so much laziness. ..

To be honest Isese adherents are too silent, we have not really come together to organize the system...that's why there's so much negligence by the government

macof:


What about the theorical study of the spiritual aspects. .nd not the deep things themselves

If Isese people come together to teach the traditions in an organized institution everyone will gain

A good example is the Ifa heritage institution in Oyo, something big and of more seriousness should be done

Of what use will be theory be if the depth of it is not taught?

The Ifa Heritage institution pretty much fills this gap but a lot is taught to adherents or descents who take interest. Really, these things (history and use of herbs) are not much in secret as many people think. My cousins and extended relatives of mine who are not even up to 13 years of age can make Ifa for poison, money for the day even if the low scale, it is something.

When you are in the right circle, you will have your hands on these things.

What is missing is written records which will then put everyone at risk.

vickylala239:



Bros no vex ohh!!

I knw u guys who bliv in piece of carved wood will attack Mi.

Sorry ohh

And you don't believe in this?

macof:


What about the theorical study of the spiritual aspects. .nd not the deep things themselves

If Isese people come together to teach the traditions in an organized institution everyone will gain

A good example is the Ifa heritage institution in Oyo, something big and of more seriousness should be done


And it's true. ..people parading as historians have displayed so much laziness. ..

To be honest Isese adherents are too silent, we have not really come together to organize the system...that's why there's so much negligence by the government

I agree with the emboldened but let me add that we have a union and we are fighting tooth and nail to grasp some form of relevance but the foreign religion adherents in power are shooting every effort down. Thankfully, the governor of Osun state is not so uptight with his Islam belief, else we would not have the Isese day and government presence during festivals.

macof:


See how you have rejected ur identity. .. they are now "their" ancestors not yours?
The Jewish ancestors like Abraham, moses, David are ur ancestors right?

Later you will say those who know their origins are the problem with africa

dat my ancestors ddnt have d chance to stop their gullible way of life doesn't mean i shld stupidly follow dem (same tin applies to u). Guy give ur life to the Almighty God nd see wonders in ur life.

macof:


And you don't believe in this?

Dats y I said u blv in wood.

Is Dat Nt a symbol on wood u Jst showed Mi.

Better read ur Bible n stop blivin in wood.

Read ur Bible.

Stop blivin on wood or stone.

macof:


Then surely christianity isn't a reasonable religion. ..
(See below for idols in the religion called christianity)
And with islam, well we all know the famous black stone in mecca that all muslims face when praying

As to us being the problem - ask urself how exactly is Isese the problem? No african government runs on Isese. .. religious fellows like you are the majority, and here the majority have their way
Because of ur likes African culture isn't being sold out like middle eastern or Western culture on which you seem to have wrecked your life buying.
The immense hatred you fellows have for African values, and knowledge prevent local production of things that we can benefit from economically

You insulted 9jacrip by calling an eediot on the same post u called his(your) ancestors silly and beg not to be insulted hilarious.

I'm sure me shouting here can't help u... U need to sit down on ur own nd think deeply (dats wat i did) but I'll try to address ur ignorance (no insult intended)
Firstly, we Muslim don't worship any black stone. It's just for us to perform saalah in unity i.e every Muslim in d world will face 1 direction (there's a saying of d prophet for dat but i don't need to quote it cos u won't believe
Secondly, u said no African govt run on isess or whatever you call it. Yes it may be true but take d oro festival for instance, d worshippers will tell you u must not go out @ night during d festival or else you'll be used as sacrifice thereby putting us all in hostages yet d govt is Silent about it or is it written in d constitution dat during oro festival there will be curfew.
Lastly who will want to sell out a barbaric act. Name one good tin dat the African tradition has done for the universe. Is it not d same African tradition dat kill twins b4 d white came to educate us? Or not d same African tradition dat condemns children wit chicken pox.
I tell you dis traditional tin is our major setback in Nigeria, eliminate it nd you'll see Nigeria in d same class wit d lyks of America, France nd so on

macof:

our traditions don't require human sacrifice(in blood)

in flesh abi?

yinkarh187:
dat my ancestors ddnt have d chance to stop their gullible way of life doesn't mean i shld stupidly follow dem (same tin applies to u). Guy give ur life to the Almighty God nd see wonders in ur life.

you are lost. I'll advise you to seek an elder in your extended family to learn at least a little about yourself and ur family heritage... the only gullible ancestor you have was the one who was dumb enough to be blackmailed into islam

What wonders exist in ur life that you think non muslims don't have

yinkarh187:
in flesh abi?

Must you force human sacrifice on Isese?

And when I put "" blood" in bracket. ..I thought you would be intelligent enough to realize that the other form of sacrifice would be service to the shrines

vickylala239:



Dats y I said u blv in wood.

Is Dat Nt a symbol on wood u Jst showed Mi.

Better read ur Bible n stop blivin in wood.

Read ur Bible.

Stop blivin on wood or stone.

Ok. Thanks for the advise but it is not needed cus we don't worship wood or stone...we make use of such for no less reason than the Muslims use the Kabba stone or Christians use the crucifix

Africans worshipping objects is a lie the Europeans came telling... a pity they found gullible morons that fell to their gimmicks and lies

macof:


There's a drink Oguro made from special trees and heated. .
aalthough am not sure I've ever tasted the substance at all...I believe it's like hot gin so I guess in absence of the real deal they settlesettle for foreign gin
My uncle serves people with it too

Notice the similarity with the name "ogogoro" of pidgin (originally from urhobo language)

Hmmmm, thanks for the answer.

But I still dont see the reason why they use it.

9jacrip:
We had a thread previously but we lost it as a result of the NL crash. As a result, I thought it would be a good idea to restart the thread for discussions, questions, research and whatever.

Let me start with some pictures from past festivals.

Na fake Obatala b dis1

yinkarh187:
in flesh abi?

fvck u ba.stard.

yinkarh187:
ok but dey believe in d fairy tale/ night stories their forefathers told dem

same stories that was told in your books,and theirs are more elaborative and practical.

This is very informative and educative as an igbo guy i use to tink obatala and oduduwa are deities in yoruba land and i here people saying Oduduwa is d father of Yoruba land can u please make me understand how oduduwa became the father or rather d head of Yoruba land since Obatala reigned before him?

macof:



Ok. Thanks for the advise but it is not needed cus we don't worship wood or stone...we make use of such for no less reason than the Muslims use the Kabba stone or Christians use the crucifix

Africans worshipping objects is a lie the Europeans came telling... a pity they found gullible morons that fell to their gimmicks and lies

Doe I Dnt undastnd u.with all this pics.

All am saying is go n read d Bible.

Doe I knw ur a cultist,nothing I will say will change ur hrt. Bt d Bible cn.