An2elect2:
Thank you!!!

The pleasure is mine. Waiting for testimonies.

5solas:
The pleasure is mine. Waiting for testimonies.

Its been long. Looking forward to them.
You made my day. Good night Sir.

An2elect2:


Its been long. Looking forward to them.

You made my day. Good night Sir.

Good night.

I believe both have their errors but I'll pick lutherianism over mr Calvinism and i'll pick arminianism over both Calvinism and lutherianism.

5solas:

Please take time to study Calvinism. It is faithful to scripture at every turn. Indeed it is far more than ''five points''.
The five points enumerated are the points the Arminians took up with the doctrines of the reformers. Before Arminianism, Calvinism existed.

and before calvinism, lutherianism existed and before all of them catholicism existed.

Whats ur point?

5solas:

Good! For myself I found out about Calvinism after I had come to an understanding that salvation cannot be lost. Their views are consistent with the scriptures and I am one. Calvinism is in truth the teaching of the reformers while Arminianism is the view of the Catholic church toned down.
We are either one or the other.

calvinism is the teaching of one reformer, luther disagreed so did arminus so don't tell me calvinism is the doctrine of the reformers! The reformer only had one doctrine in common, i.e the pope is d antichrist.

malvisguy212:
The scripture teaches predestination, but not Calvinistic Predestination.

Please tell us the predestination the scriptures teach.

5solas:

You are simply playing to the gallery and trying to whip up sentiments. What would have helped your cause is to bring up any of their teaching that is not consistent with scripture.
If you are a protestant, then I must say your post was spiteful and smirks of ingratitude to Luther.

No problem.

Scholar8200:
No problem.

Not "no problem" , take up the challenge.

5solas:

Please tell us the predestination the scriptures teach.

God pre-determined, not the IDENTITY of the saved,but the CHARACTER of the saved.

1 Corinthians 2:7, "But WE speak the
WISDOM of God in a mystery,
even the hidden WISDOM, which
GOD ORDAINED BEFORE THE WORLD
UNTO OUR GLORY :"
You see, God pre-determined the character (wisdom) in this verse and not the identity.

5solas:

Not "no problem" , take up the challenge.

Which?

malvisguy212:

God pre-determined, not the IDENTITY of the saved,but the CHARACTER of the saved.

1 Corinthians 2:7, "But WE speak the
WISDOM of God in a mystery,
even the hidden WISDOM, which
GOD ORDAINED BEFORE THE WORLD
UNTO OUR GLORY :"
You see, God pre-determined the character (wisdom) in this verse and not the identity.

Lol, sounds rational and appeal's to man's ability to save himself by character but you left out the CONTEXT. Christ is the IDENTITY here. He is the Word of God and was with God from the beginning( John 1:2). He is the wisdom of God and the Power of God(1 cor 1:24)...So you see the wisdom hidden before the world began, that God destined for our glory was actually about the PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST AND HIM CRUCIFIED that Paul was preaching and not the other way round.

Except you want to admit that the identity of Jesus Christ as God never came in the flesh.

ABDULADINO:
Folks are not "elect"..Are there any elect in HELL?

Explain ur first sentence. I dont understand.

Of course, there are "elects" in hell.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+6%3A44%2C+John+6%3A37%2C+John+6%3A64-65%2C+John+15%3A16%2C+Matthew+22%3A14%2C+Ephesians+1%3A4-6%2C+Romans+8%3A27-30%2C+2+Thessalonians+2%3A13%2C+2+Timothy+1%3A9%2C+1+Peter+1%3A2%2C+Acts+13%3A48%2C+Romans+11%3A17%2C+Romans+9%3A11%2C+John+10%3A26-28%2C+John+6%3A37-40%2C+John+17%3A9-11%2C+&version=AKJV

Here is some scripture that supports the "Calvinism" position.

ABDULADINO:
Lol, sounds rational and appeal's to man's ability to save himself by character but you left out the CONTEXT. Christ is the IDENTITY here. He is the Word of God and was with God from the beginning( John 1:2). He is the wisdom of God and the Power of God(1 cor 1:24)...So you see the wisdom hidden before the world began, that God destined for our glory was actually about the PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST AND HIM CRUCIFIED that Paul was preaching and not the other way round.

Except you want to admit that the identity of Jesus Christ as God never came in the flesh.

5solas ask "were does the bible scripture teaches Predestination" and I provide the answer. I agree with your explanation because it was through christ we are called the children of God.

Romans 8:29-30, "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the IMAGE of his SON, that he might be the firstborn AMONG
MANY BRETHREN. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."

Predestination or fore-ordination is what God did before the world began,
as He determined to save man from sin through the sacrifice of His own Son. Those who answer His call through the gospel experience the blessings of that plan now in Christ Jesus.(Romans 2:3,11)

JMAN05:


Explain ur first sentence. I dont understand.

Of course, there are "elects" in hell.

Scripture you quoted shows folks are not true believers. There is absolutely no scriptrue that shows the elect in hell.

malvisguy212:
5solas ask "were does the bible scripture teaches Predestination" and I provide the answer. I agree with your explanation because it was through christ we are called the children of God.

Romans 8:29-30, "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the IMAGE of his SON, that he might be the firstborn AMONG
MANY BRETHREN. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."

Predestination or fore-ordination is what God did before the world began,
as He determined to save man from sin through the sacrifice of His own Son. Those who answer His call through the gospel experience the blessings of that plan now in Christ Jesus.(Romans 2:3,11)

Point is wisdom of God is a person not a character, a noun not an adjective.

ABDULADINO:
Point is wisdom of God is a person not a character, a noun not an adjective.

Very brainy of you.
James says if anyone lacks 'a person', they should ask for 'a person' from the Father

James 1:5 (KJV)
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

ABDULADINO:
Scripture you quoted shows folks are not true believers. There is absolutely no scriptrue that shows the elect in hell.

Show me one that sends infants and fetuses to hell

vooks:

Very brainy of you.
James says if anyone lacks 'a person', they should ask for 'a person' from the Father

James 1:5 (KJV)
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Yes, Except you are reffering to the person of the Holy Spirit as a force or an 'it' like your cohort.

Anyway explain for us the scripture he quoted and stop the fanciful antics.

ABDULADINO:
Yes, Except you are reffering to the person of the Holy Spirit as a force or an 'it' like your cohort.

Anyway explain for us the scripture he quoted and stop the fanciful antics.

Right after you walk me through James and why we should ask for a person
Some attributes of God are personified but that does not make them persons

Holy Spirit is a person

vooks:

Right after you walk me through James and why we should ask for a person
Some attributes of God are personified but that does not make them persons

Holy Spirit is a person

Wisdom of God vs Wisdom of men. Two kinds of widom....such wisdom does not come down from heaven..Who is the wisdom that came down from heaven.

Error and heresy breeds when you read a scripture in isolation rather than CONTEXT and you don't inteprete scripture with scripture..

Proverbs even reffered to the wisdom of God as a person( proverbs 8:22-31).

The onus is on you to give us your explanation on what 1 cor 2:7...is saying.

ABDULADINO:
Wisdom of God vs Wisdom of men. Two kinds of widom....such wisdom does not come down from heaven..Who is the wisdom that came down from heaven.

Error and heresy breeds when you read a scripture in isolation rather than CONTEXT and you don't inteprete scripture with scripture..

Proverbs even reffered to the wisdom of God as a person( proverbs 8:22-31).

The onus is on you to give us your explanation on what 1 cor 2:7...is saying.

God is also Love.
When the Hammer that is the Word smashes into dogma and human philosophies, all folly is exposed

1 Cor 2:7 is talking about the gospel. That is the wisdom

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1Corinthians 2:7-8 (KJV)
But we speak the WISDOM of God in a mystery, even the hidden WISDOM, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8 WHICH none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known IT, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

According to this amateur believer, the WISDOM here which is IT, is the Lord of glory

.

ABDULADINO:
Lol, open your eyes. That scripture is not talking about conditional salvation based upon man using inherent ability to perform conditions for it. Typical arminianism.

The Holy Spirit's work in applying salvation through regeneration is effectual and sure, for without Him we can do nothing.

Paul was the chief of sinners,God apprehended him and he never lost his salvation..his famous mantraa was " I can do ALL things through CHRIST WHO STRENGHTENS ME" ( phil 4:13).

Time will fail to mention Abraham who lied that his wife was his sister, he never lost his salvation.

Samson the fornicator did not miss it.

Lot the barren without works didn't miss it to...

All these few examples were preserved by the grace of God and His faithfulness...not theirs..many more examples abound in scriptures...

hehehehe,

so your point is, once one has said the sinners prayer and believes, even if it was just once he his entire life, it doesn't matter what sins he commit thereafter or if he loses his faith, his one time confession is all that is needed to guarantee eternal salvation?

starlingslimnet:
Mixing something up: Salvation And Backsliding; When you sin you are backsliding and that as the Scripture imply can be forgiven but denying Jesus is not the Christ cannot be forgiven because that is Sin against the Holy Spirit. You lose your Salvation when you deny Jesus is the Christ and you gain Salvation by confessing Jesus is the Christ.

no that passage actually says we can deny God by our works, not just by words. The passage isn't about backslidding its about denial.

starlingslimnet:
They are called to repent from their ubelief that Jesus is Christ and believe in him and thus receive the Holy Spirit who is Salvation himself work of Faith are as expressed from vs 3-9 are mainly the teachings of Christ and not the commandments note vs 8 "The knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ" for more understanding on God's righteousness see this thread www.nairaland.com/2551735/fundamentals-teachings-christ-every-christain



Exodus 32:33
33 The Lord replied to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book. Sin against the Son of man will be forgiven. God said if a wicked man( one who reject Christ and His teachings) turn from his work (unbelief) I will forgive that man. To interpret a Scripture you must have understanding of all Scriptures.

and if the wicked man does not repent what happens to him at death?

JMAN05:


Yes. But if ur question is whether an "elect" can lose salvation. Yes is the answer.

careful here my dear!

Before you answer that question ask him to define "the elect", the question can cage you if you do not know how he define "elect."

5solas:

You are simply playing to the gallery and trying to whip up sentiments. What would have helped your cause is to bring up any of their teaching that is not consistent with scripture.
If you are a protestant, then I must say your post was spiteful and smirks of ingratitude to Luther.

that is not spiteful, luther was a human being, he had his own mistakes and much of his "preaching" was highly insultive and full of foul words.

Ubenedictus:


hehehehe,

so your point is, once one has said the sinners prayer and believes, even if it was just once he his entire life, it doesn't matter what sins he commit thereafter or if he loses his faith, his one time confession is all that is needed to guarantee eternal salvation?

Nope, i am no advocate of easy-believism.

ABDULADINO:
Nope, i am no advocate of easy-believism.

Walk us through your hard believing. Or were you born born again?

ABDULADINO:
Scripture you quoted shows folks are not true believers. There is absolutely no scriptrue that shows the elect in hell.

Can u tell me the meaning of elect as u understand.