starlingslimnet:
If I get you right you are saying there is a need for Holiness

ABDULADINO:
My dear neither is. Since we deny freewill and teach God is sovereign in salvation by election and predestination, we are often accused of being calvinists.

Scholar8200:

Yes! Why? It is the proof of our faith and the workings of Grace!

Bear with this:

Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. 15 See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many
Hebrews 12:14,15

But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.
Romans 6:22

An2elect2:


Ok dear.

Though I am not a Calvinist myself, i found most of its points are consistent with the scripture. However, will defend my faith in the name of Christ rather than Calvin/calvinism, because i was taught by Christ Himself.

starlingslimnet:
If this is what you mean am in perfect harmony with it..

Only brother you should know the distinction between holiness and Righteousness. Though both are required as said by Christ.

ABDULADINO:
True..Let God's word be true and every man's be false.

5solas:

Good! For myself I found out about Calvinism after I had come to an understanding that salvation cannot be lost. Their views are consistent with the scriptures and I am one. Calvinism is in truth the teaching of the reformers while Arminianism is the view of the Catholic church toned down.
We are either one or the other.

An2elect2:


True. I will always be on the side of Calvinism as long as the arminian vs calvinism debate persists, but at the end of the day i will always want to be identified as nothing else but a Christian. After all, those points are not Calvin's but Christ's!

Albeit some of us choose to identify with some sects, it doesn't really matter as long as we are on the side of truth and the Lord is glorified!

5solas:

Please take time to study Calvinism. It is faithful to scripture at every turn. Indeed it is far more than ''five points''.
The five points enumerated are the points the Arminians took up with the doctrines of the reformers. Before Arminianism, Calvinism existed.

5solas:

Here's a shocking thing- Calvinism is not about Calvin! It is about the teachings of the reformers! Read Martin Luther's ''The Bondage Of The Will'' for example , and you will think it was addressed to Arminians, whereas Arminianism was not in existence during his lifetime.
The book beats to pieces with one blow both Pelagianism and Arminianism.

malvisguy212:
The scripture teaches predestination, but not Calvinistic Predestination.

5solas:

Please tell us what Calvinist teaching you consider to be false.

An2elect2:


Wow, heard of that book but not read yet. All the Christian bookshops I've been to lack reformed materials/books that i have almost given up visiting any of them again. #sadface#

Can i access this book online? any site at all?

vooks:

Why is faith necessary in the first place?


Many beliefs today are popular because they appeal to our weakness rather than because they are biblical. Such beliefs include spiritual justifications for materialism, theological exemptions from suffering tribulation, and even justifications for not sharing our faith with others. The idea that someone who professes conversion will share eternal life even if they do not persevere as believers in Christ is another belief that is comforting—and dangerously~~~>Dr Craig Keener

JMAN05:


Yes. But if ur question is whether an "elect" can lose salvation. Yes is the answer.

ABDULADINO:
Scripture pls.

Scholar8200:

5solas:

Please take time to study Calvinism. It is faithful to scripture at every turn. Indeed it is far more than ''five points''.
The five points enumerated are the points the Arminians took up with the doctrines of the reformers. Before Arminianism, Calvinism existed.

5solas:

Please tell us what Calvinist teaching you consider to be false.

JMAN05:


2Pet 2:20; 2tim 2:17, 18.

5solas:

Too many sites. Try this link http[url]://www.truecovenanter.com/truelutheran/luther_bow.html[/url]

An2elect2:


Thank you dear but this link is taking me to a blank page, jzzzz. Can't see anything...

5solas:
Give me just a little time, please.

An2elect2:


Please you can read the abridged version here http://www.reformedreader.org/bow.htm . It will inspire your reading of the whole.
The whole here:
http://www.truecovenanter.com/truelutheran/luther_bow.html or https://www.lutheransonline.com/lo/671/FSLO-1344356671-111671.pdf

ABDULADINO:
Perseverance is up to the believer.

vooks:

Am asking why everyone is not saved yet Christ died for all. Is His blood inaccessible to some?

ABDULADINO:
The arminius mocker...According to calvinism( am not one though)..Jesus Christ died for all the Father gave Him to save..next time do your home work properly.

Scholar8200:
Thank God for the Reformers and their selfless effort to preserve the Truth but we must note the following:

1. Their efforts was to reform not the faith of Christ, but the Roman catholic church;

2. While they were instrumental in making public that which the RCC kept private, they did not author any book of the Bible;

3. It will be wrong to assume that their writings rank with All Scripture: Inspired by God!

4. Just like the christian literatures we have today, their writings indeed contain portions of truth from the Word and commentaries that was skewed in the direction of their personal convictions

5. As a result we can only hold to all that the Bible says and the interpretation thereof as the Spirit reveals and weigh same on the balance that it does not contradict any other passage, God's promises, power, pattern of dealing with men, and purpose.

6. For example, Luther was instrumental to the recovery of the Truth: Justification by faith; however, we will go into error if we follow this mistake he wrote:

[b]Luther now proposed seven measures of “sharp mercy” that German princes could take against Jews: (1) burn their schools and synagogues; (2) transfer Jews to community settlements; (3) confiscate all Jewish literature, which was blasphemous; (4) prohibit rabbis to teach, on pain of death; (5) deny Jews safe-conduct, so as to prevent the spread of Judaism; (6) appropriate their wealth and use it to support converts and to prevent the lewd practice of usury; (7) assign Jews to manual labor as a form of penance...Luther now thought what he had accused Catholics of thinking in 1523: Jews were dogs. “We are at fault for not slaying them,” he fumed shortly before his death.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ch/1993/issue39/3938.html?start=2

Was Luther saying this out of hatred? NO. Rather it was due to faulty understanding:

Yet rabbinic teaching was madness and blindness that blasphemed Christ, Mary, and the Holy Trinity. Luther could not “have any fellowship or patience with obstinate [Jewish] blasphemers and those who defame this dear Savior.” Blasphemy was a civil crime. To allow it to continue, Luther feared, meant Christians would share in the guilt for it.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ch/1993/issue39/3938.html?start=1


Any christian knows this is wrong. Even Paul who was stoned etc by these same Jews was passionate about their salvation to the point of wishing himself accursed for their sakes! Any believer who follows this teaching today and does not retrace his steps will die and go to hell as a criminal!

Conclusion? Let's weigh the contents of both schools of thought from a scriptural perspective!

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vooks:
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5solas: