menesheh:



You are right.

Here is a thing, we are not arguing for his sake, neither the sake of his illogical sorts of people. I pretty care about the audience reading, following and evaluating both arguments. Am just happy with the way he is devouring logic and reasoning which will go a long to exposing his narcissistic tendency and that of religion itself.

He is defending the indefensible. I don't care.

Illogical sorts of people? I hope you know there are 6 billion religious people in the world . 87 percent of scientists , philosophers , geniuses , great academicians etc are expected to be religious .

I forgive you for this ignorance

Ouch !

djdoxxx:
@menesheh And Dalaman, It Is Obvious This Dude Is Too Broke To Afford Reason, How Much Does A Litre Of Gas-Sense Sell For? #200/litre? I Can Still Afford To Buy A Full Tank Of It For Him, But I Am Afraid His Brain Would Be Affected As His Brain Mechanism Still Works On Primitive Source Of Fuel - Sense Source.Because I Cant Really Comprehend How A Reasonable Theist Would Insist On Quoting From The Bible Which Atheists Have Proved To Be A Best Selling Novel Compiled By Dubious Government To Help Exploit The Masses? The Title Of This Thread Has Nothing To Do With Quoting Anything From The Bible, So Why Not Argue Realistically?

you just made no point . Evaluate your comment and respond sensibly . Thanks

KingEbukasBlog:


so how does it stop God from existing outside space and time

You've not shown that any God exist outside space and time. You just made a claim.

dalaman:


You've not shown that any God exist outside space and time. You just made a claim.

Its common sense . For a simultaneous equation to be true , the condition is that the value of the unknown should satisfy the equations be it product , difference , dividend etc . For a soccer match to be won , either of the two teams should outscore the other team . For God to be the creator of the universe and preclude infinite regression , he has to exist outside space and time . Honestly , I'm over stressing this issue

KingEbukasBlog:


Its common sense . For a simultaneous equation to be true , the condition is that the value of the unknown should satisfy the equations be it product , difference , dividend etc . For a soccer match to be won , either of the two teams should outscore the other team . For God to be the creator of the universe and preclude infinite regression , he has to exist outside space and time . Honestly , I'm over stressing this issue

But the God described inside the bible doesn't qualify or look like the God that created the universe in which we live. The God of the bible is so petty and doesn't even know how the universe we know came about, see how he said he created the universe in Genesis. You refuse to accept his creation account because you know it is false, you claim it is an allegory. Where does it say that God lives outside space and time in the bible? The bible says God is eternal which denotes time, albeit endless time. I am talking about the universe in which we live in while you are refering to a mythical God that created an alternate universe as stated inside the bible.

KingEbukasBlog:


Illogical sorts of people? I hope you know there are 6 billion religious people in the world . 87 percent of scientists , philosophers , geniuses , great academicians etc are expected to be religious .

I forgive you for this ignorance

Ouch !

You've committed Argumentum ad populum.

whatever.

Enjoy your day.

dalaman:


But the God described inside the bible doesn't qualify or look like the God that created the universe in which we live. The God of the bible is so petty and doesn't even know how the universe we know came about, see how he said he created the universe in Genesis. You refuse to accept his creation account because you know it is false, you claim it is an allegory. Where does it say that God lives outside space and time in the bible? The bible says God is eternal which denotes time, albeit endless time. I am talking about the universe in which we live in while you are refering to a mythical God that created an alternate universe as stated inside the bible.

KingEbukasBlog:


Its common sense . For a simultaneous equation to be true , the condition is that the value of the unknown should satisfy the equations be it product , difference , dividend etc . For a soccer match to be won , either of the two teams should outscore the other team . For God to be the creator of the universe and preclude infinite regression , he has to exist outside space and time . Honestly , I'm over stressing this issue

Maybe I need to elucidate - if something exists outside time its is eternal . It has no beginning and end . I cant deal with the hypocrisy and ignorance you always exhibit . Im done arguing with you

menesheh:



You've committed Argumentum ad populum.

whatever.

Enjoy your day.

Thanks for accepting defeat in a noble way . You are a true gentleman

Hey menesheh ... differences aside ... are you igbo ? What does your username mean pls

KingEbukasBlog:




Maybe I need to elucidate - if something exists outside time its is eternal . It has no beginning and end . I cant deal with the hypocrisy and ignorance you always exhibit . Im done arguing with you

The God of the bible did not create the universe in which we live in. Go and read his creation account as stated in Genesis. That was not how the universe in which we live in was created.

dalaman:


The God of the bible did not create the universe in which we live in. Go and read his creation account as stated in Genesis. That was not how the universe in which we live in was created.

ok

KingEbukasBlog:


Thanks for accepting defeat in a noble way . You are a true gentleman

Thanks

menesheh:


Think of what will happen in the case of a totalitarian regime that wants his subjects to worship him and obey whatever he commanded without question. Extend such dictatorial law to the next 1000yrs, then witness the birth of a new ideology.

North Korea has had a hundred years head start in that department.

Weah96:



North Korea has had a hundred years head start in that department.

Yea, North Korea is a replica of such ancient phenomenon manifesting in a modern setup. Imagine a bans on anyone from sharing Korean leader Kim Jong-Un name with edict saying they must be 'trained' to change it.

Hmm.

@ menesheh.

Crap crap crap!.
This has been my problem with atheist since the beginning of ages, UNDERSTANDING. how can so complex lack understanding, thats why the bible say "the wisdom of man is foolishness to God"

With all that point yhu raised, you made mistake of quoting the scripture, you gave your grammar a guild line by which it should be judged , then you later left that guild line.

1.-what was the original design of God when he created the earth?.

2.-was it ever Gods plan to give man knowledge, wisdom and understanding? The fruit of good and evil.

3.-all this complex numbers and theorems, how far has it gotten yhu, has it gotten man.

4.-what is the aim and function of today's technology and science?

5.-f man had remained in the garden would we/man have a need for science and technology.

6.-why did you choose to be educated, why you go school.

7.-why do you have a job

8.-f Gods original plan for man had succeed, man was still in the garden of Eden, would you need for a job.

-the concept of work, suffering when was it first introduced in the bible.

IF YOU CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, HONESTLY YOULL SEE THAT YHUR WRITE UP IS PLAN STUPID, IMMATURE.

Understand the scripture befor you quote it, dont logically pick the part that suits your argument, the wait for some gullible followers on NL to cheer yhu on.

chalantmike:


@ menesheh.

Crap crap crap!.
This has been my problem with atheist since the beginning of ages, UNDERSTANDING. how can so complex lack understanding, thats why the bible say "the wisdom of man is foolishness to God"

With all that point yhu raised, you made mistake of quoting the scripture, you gave your grammar a guild line by which it should be judged , then you later left that guild line.

1.-what was the original design of God when he created the earth?.

2.-was it ever Gods plan to give man knowledge, wisdom and understanding? The fruit of good and evil.

3.-all this complex numbers and theorems, how far has it gotten yhu, has it gotten man.

4.-what is the aim and function of today's technology and science?

5.-f man had remained in the garden would we/man have a need for science and technology.

6.-why did you choose to be educated, why you go school.

7.-why do you have a job

8.-f Gods original plan for man had succeed, man was still in the garden of Eden, would you need for a job.

-the concept of work, suffering when was it first introduced in the bible.

IF YOU CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, HONESTLY YOULL SEE THAT YHUR WRITE UP IS PLAN STUPID, IMMATURE.

Understand the scripture befor you quote it, dont logically pick the part that suits your argument, the wait for some gullible followers on NL to cheer yhu on.

You have to first of all demonstrate that your god exists or the plausibility of such concept before i can carve out alittle time to discuss those questions with you.

The essence of this thread is to show you that the concept of your god as represented in your holy book is a silly and naive one.

menesheh:



You are right.

Here is a thing, we are not arguing for his sake, neither the sake of his illogical sorts of people. I pretty care about the audience reading, following and evaluating both arguments. Am just happy with the way he is devouring logic and reasoning which will go a long to exposing his narcissistic tendency and that of religion itself.

He is defending the indefensible. I don't care.

Lol...He's Turned Himself Into A Defensive Striker...Lol.

Here Comes The Dumbest Christian On The Thread!!!

chalantmike:



1.-what was the original design of God when he created the earth?.

Ohh your God had an original plan that failed? Lol... This God sounds manish to me

2.-was it ever Gods plan to give man knowledge, wisdom and understanding? The fruit of good and evil.

Just man eating from a tree your God planted changed your God's plan? Me think this your God is not serious.

3.-all this complex numbers and theorems, how far has it gotten yhu, has it gotten man.

How far do you want man to get? Me think it has gotten us far enough compared to the last time your Jesus came trekking up and down and preaching at the top of his voice with no speaker.

4.-what is the aim and function of today's technology and science?

You are here typing on your phone or computer yet you ask such useless question. Or would you prefer stone age? Don't you appreciate making calls with cell phones and traveling by car? Would u prefer to trek or ride on donkey like Jesus?

5.-f man had remained in the garden would we/man have a need for science and technology.

This folk tale again.... Hmm. If it were true and man was still in the garden, man would still be naked and walking around with aim like animals.

6.-why did you choose to be educated, why you go school.

What's this? Don't give me the impression u are an slowpoke. Well, to acquire more knowledge so as to fit in this modern world.

7.-why do you have a job

Duhh... I have job so I can get enough money to send mental people like u to psychiatric home.

8.-f Gods original plan for man had succeed, man was still in the garden of Eden, would you need for a job.

Let's see... Gods original plan? Oh he fail? Is ur god a failure? Well if his plan didn't fail we would be walking around like animals.

IF YOU CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, HONESTLY YOULL SEE THAT YHUR WRITE UP IS PLAN STUPID, IMMATURE.

If you can take time to go through ur question, u will see how foolish u sound.

8.-f Gods original plan for man had succeed, !!!!! @chalantmike,So Your God Had An Original Plan, Very Interesting...And This Plan Is To Make Us Remain And Multiply In The Garden Of Eden, But His Plan Was Disrupted By The Devil And Evil Apple He Created, So He Sent Man Out Of Eden For Disobeying...He Then Placed A Curse On Woman To Labour In Pain At Child Birth For Tempting Man To Eat Apple...Very Cool...In Your Statement, You Made It Cleared That If His Plan Had Succeeded, We Wouldnt Be Living Like This...Now, Read Carefully With Ur Brain, U Av Obviously Made It Cleared To Us That Ur God Was And Is A Failure.He Couldn't Even Control The Affairs Of Only Two People He Created,how Much More Billions Of People In D World Today.I Thought One Of His Attributes Is His Omnipotency! How Come His Plan For Man Failed?How Come He Never Succeeded When His Humanly Creations Were Just Two? How Come His Creation - Evil Apple, Devil And Woman Led To His Failure? I Will Tell You What? You Have Been Spoonfed With Super Story

@challantmike...Honestly, You Are The Dumbest Christian On This Thread, And A Big Disgrace And Disaster To The Christian Folks On Here And The Christian Community At Large! I Am Only Comforted Writing This Because Of What Menesheh Wrote To Me Yesterday As Regard Making Other Religious Folks Reason Gradually With The Arguments Constructed On Here,else People Like You Are Not Supposed To Be Attended To. Your God Became His Own Failure Even Before Creating Man. He Became His Own Failure By Creating An Evil Apple! Buh Hold On, I Thought We Were Made To Know That All He Created Were Good...ALL!!! So,where Did The Evil Fruit Spring Out From? From An Evil Tree! And Where Did This Evil Tree Spring Out From? From The Ground Of Eden?And Who Made This Ground? Your God!!! At Every Stage Of His Creation, He Was A Complete Failure! How Would He Even Think The Naked Populant Of The World Today Would Be Contained In The Garden Of Eden? If Adam Never Ate The Apple Then, Someone Else Would Have Ate It Long Before Now...Pity U!

djdoxxx:

8.-f Gods original plan for man had succeed, !!!!! @chalantmike,So Your God Had An Original Plan, Very Interesting...And This Plan Is To Make Us Remain And Multiply In The Garden Of Eden, But His Plan Was Disrupted By The Devil And Evil Apple He Created, So He Sent Man Out Of Eden For Disobeying...He Then Placed A Curse On Woman To Labour In Pain At Child Birth For Tempting Man To Eat Apple...Very Cool...In Your Statement, You Made It Cleared That If His Plan Had Succeeded, We Wouldnt Be Living Like This...Now, Read Carefully With Ur Brain, U Av Obviously Made It Cleared To Us That Ur God Was And Is A Failure.He Couldn't Even Control The Affairs Of Only Two People He Created,how Much More Billions Of People In D World Today.I Thought One Of His Attributes Is His Omnipotency! How Come His Plan For Man Failed?How Come He Never Succeeded When His Humanly Creations Were Just Two? How Come His Creation - Evil Apple, Devil And Woman Led To His Failure? I Will Tell You What? You Have Been Spoonfed With Super Story

ever seen engineers work on railway tracks?, theres a gap between each metal joining and also the invention ball/porris underneath the track, this aids the expansion of metals under heat. My point is we as humans have contingency plan, what makes yhu think God didn't, i use the word original plan, the intention of God was never to control man, his plan was to take care of man, the original design of man, man was to be a pet, this is one of the reasons Lucifer became jealous. Even without the fruit of knowledge, man had a choice, a choice was present.
Where in the bible was it stated that the plan or will of God was to control man?.

djdoxxx:
@challantmike...Honestly, You Are The Dumbest Christian On This Thread, And A Big Disgrace And Disaster To The Christian Folks On Here And The Christian Community At Large! I Am Only Comforted Writing This Because Of What Menesheh Wrote To Me Yesterday As Regard Making Other Religious Folks Reason Gradually With The Arguments Constructed On Here,else People Like You Are Not Supposed To Be Attended To. Your God Became His Own Failure Even Before Creating Man. He Became His Own Failure By Creating An Evil Apple! Buh Hold On, I Thought We Were Made To Know That All He Created Were Good...ALL!!! So,where Did The Evil Fruit Spring Out From? From An Evil Tree! And Where Did This Evil Tree Spring Out From? From The Ground Of Eden?And Who Made This Ground? Your God!!! At Every Stage Of His Creation, He Was A Complete Failure! How Would He Even Think The Naked Populant Of The World Today Would Be Contained In The Garden Of Eden? If Adam Never Ate The Apple Then, Someone Else Would Have Ate It Long Before Now...Pity U!

Please. Let your logic fail you.
WHY WAS THE TREE PLACED RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE GARDEN OF EDEN? WHAT DO YHU THINK IS THE REASON FOR IT?, USE UR LOGIC.
THERE FRUIT OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, WAS NOT CALLED BAD, WHERE IN THE SCRIPTURE DID GOD CALL IT BAD?

Genesis 2:17
but you must not eat from the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat
from it you will certainly die."

That's another thing about yhu atheist, its like your brain is wired for misconception,. Yhu literally replace words and intentions to suit your brain.

-lets go by your logic, if eve and Adam did not eat the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, some else would have eaten it. OK NOW EVE DID EAT THE FRUIT OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, THEY BOTH DID NOW GENERATIONS ARE SUFFERING THE CONSEQUENCE OF THAT SINGULAR BITE, so by logic if Adam and Eve did not eat the fruit, no one else would as long as they be offspring of eve. The choice to eat or not eat was never an individual choice, neither was it subjective, the fact that yhu still suffering the consequence of Adam and Eve disobedience is prove of that. Notice that until Adam ate the fruit Eves eyes was never opening. Why do you think that is?.

chalantmike:


Please. Let your logic fail you.
WHY WAS THE TREE PLACED RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE GARDEN OF EDEN? WHAT DO YHU THINK IS THE REASON FOR IT?, USE UR LOGIC.
THERE FRUIT OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, WAS NOT CALLED BAD, WHERE IN THE SCRIPTURE DID GOD CALL IT BAD?

Genesis 2:17
but you must not eat from the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat
from it you will certainly die."

That's another thing about yhu atheist, its like your brain is wired for misconception,. Yhu literally replace words and intentions to suit your brain.

-lets go by your logic, if eve and Adam did not eat the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, some else would have eaten it. OK NOW EVE DID EAT THE FRUIT OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, THEY BOTH DID NOW GENERATIONS ARE SUFFERING THE CONSEQUENCE OF THAT SINGULAR BITE, so by logic if Adam and Eve did not eat the fruit, no one else would as long as they be offspring of eve. The choice to eat or not eat was never an individual choice, neither was it subjective, the fact that yhu still suffering the consequence of Adam and Eve disobedience is prove of that. Notice that until Adam ate the fruit Eves eyes was never opening. Why do you think that is?.

amazioha 2:17 said that human knowledge started from simple beginning to this present complexity.

until you demonstrate that their is/are any fruit of knowledge or the plausibility of such phenomenon.

frank317:


Ohh your God had an original plan that failed? Lol... This God sounds manish to me



Just man eating from a tree your God planted changed your God's plan? Me think this your God is not serious.



How far do you want man to get? Me think it has gotten us far enough compared to the last time your Jesus came trekking up and down and preaching at the top of his voice with no speaker.



You are here typing on your phone or computer yet you ask such useless question. Or would you prefer stone age? Don't you appreciate making calls with cell phones and traveling by car? Would u prefer to trek or ride on donkey like Jesus?



This folk tale again.... Hmm. If it were true and man was still in the garden, man would still be naked and walking around with aim like animals.



What's this? Don't give me the impression u are an slowpoke. Well, to acquire more knowledge so as to fit in this modern world.



Duhh... I have job so I can get enough money to send mental people like u to psychiatric home.



Let's see... Gods original plan? Oh he fail? Is ur god a failure? Well if his plan didn't fail we would be walking around like animals.





If you can take time to go through ur question, u will see how foolish u sound.

You shamelessly replied his questions and they weren't directed to you but refused to answer mine . Warris wrong with you .

menesheh:



amazioha 2:17 said that human knowledge started from simple beginning to this present complexity.

until you demonstrate that their is/are any fruit of knowledge or the plausibility of such phenomenon.

yhu see where yhur logic wanna dump yhu this night, was expecting yhu to dispute what i said, atleast try, rather than confuse yourself.

Aint we all judging from a particular view point, we all assume that the bible in all it fallacy is true, it been true means the biblical God must be stupid, we assume his stupid meaning his real and his fairtales did exist, working with that analog, i gave you a case study, yhu cant dispute, instead now you accurse the assume mystical God and his forbidden tree of not been real.

WE PLAYING A GAME OF ASSUMING, PLAY ALONG.
Am a theist myself.

menesheh:


You have to first of all demonstrate that your god exists or the plausibility of such concept before i can carve out alittle time to discuss those questions with you.

The essence of this thread is to show you that the concept of your god as represented in your holy book is a silly and naive one.

is it and my aim yhur logic will fail yhu, the concept of his existence is delicate not all minds are equipped enough to believe, 80%of the Christian populis follow out of fear and a promise of some heavenly mystical paradice. Not that they believe or can defend it.
"the fear of hell and love of heaven is the beginning of wisdom" that's what Christianity is about.

chalantmike:
is it and my aim yhur logic will fail yhu, the concept of his existence is delicate not all minds are equipped enough to believe, 80%of the Christian populis follow out of fear and a promise of some heavenly mystical paradice. Not that they believe or can defend it.
"the fear of hell and love of heaven is the beginning of wisdom" that's what Christianity is about.

BOLDED

and so did the concept of the existence of other god claims or similar deities you dont agree with or believe in, are so delicate to all minds and required special understanding intrinsic to their concept to come by it.

Being gullible, low critical judgement and reasoning are the beginning to believing an idea with faith and zero evidence.

frank317:


Ohh your God had an original plan that failed? Lol... This God sounds manish to me



Just man eating from a tree your God planted changed your God's plan? Me think this your God is not serious.



How far do you want man to get? Me think it has gotten us far enough compared to the last time your Jesus came trekking up and down and preaching at the top of his voice with no speaker.



You are here typing on your phone or computer yet you ask such useless question. Or would you prefer stone age? Don't you appreciate making calls with cell phones and traveling by car? Would u prefer to trek or ride on donkey like Jesus?



This folk tale again.... Hmm. If it were true and man was still in the garden, man would still be naked and walking around with aim like animals.



What's this? Don't give me the impression u are an slowpoke. Well, to acquire more knowledge so as to fit in this modern world.



Duhh... I have job so I can get enough money to send mental people like u to psychiatric home.



Let's see... Gods original plan? Oh he fail? Is ur god a failure? Well if his plan didn't fail we would be walking around like animals.





If you can take time to go through ur question, u will see how foolish u sound.

point been science,Technology,logic, intelligence is mans way of compensating for the care and protection of God, which he lost, a child does not have to work when he has his father, nor keep awake when his father is on guide.

The bible is cryptic thats why logic will fail yhu, depending on how you attack it, nothing is exactly literal, thats where even the Christians miss it, and that where the holy spirit comes in.

The story of the garden of eden is a story of a state, a fellowship, communion between man and God.

God said if yhu eat this fruit, you will surely die, did Adam and Eve die?, something transpire right there what is that?. Why wasnt eve eyes open when she alone ate the fruit, why was it when adam ate with her that there eyes got opened?.

menesheh:



BOLDED

and so did the concept of the existence of other god claims or similar deities you dont agree with or believe in, are so delicate to all minds and required special understanding intrinsic to their concept to come by it.

Being gullible, low critical judgement and reasoning are the beginning to believing an idea with faith and zero evidence.

God is an experience, a state, how do yhu know i dont believe in the existence of other deities?. The reason yhu do not believe in a god/God is cause yhu cant experience it, that state.

Lemma ask yhu a question, answer it and yhull get yhur answer on fact and fact.

HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE ALIVE? WHAT EVIDENCE CAN YHU GIVING TO YOUR EXISTANCE?.

frank317:


Thank you.

The most difficult person to argue with is a deluded person who knows he is deluded and tells you he will continue to be deluded no matter what.

I easily get frustrated when someone purposely fails to think. How does calling Johnny a god make anything meaningful? How does it drive a point.

Shouldn't reasonable adults know that the fact that you have to defend a supposedly existent being day and night signifies his non existent? How long shall we continue like this. And when you try to make him see reason he brings in absurdities and starts asking abstract questions and making unreasonable statements.

They say a supposedly intelligent and powerful G‭‬od created the multi universe and its vastness and every amazing thing. Yet they redicle this special being by likening him to human. He acts like a child when it comes to human issues. I mean, ain't humans just like an invisible dust among his numerous wonderful creations? But with humans he act like a child, getting angry at our desire to play football, have sex or draw a tatoo. He makes silly mistakes and weeps at how the devil (another insignificant creation) is messing up his dearly loved ones.

He needs loves and worship like a needy human king and allow humans wonder if he is real.

Its tiring when people refuse to think. I really don't know if there is a creator... But please my small brain does not need any magic or some crazy spirit to know that a certain Jewish imaginery deity is not this creator.
Its not even possible.

If there is really a love desirous creator like Yahweh, shouldnt all his creations know? Why then the argument?

lets play a game called assuming. Good.
Assuming a God does exist, whats yhur idea of a God?.