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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 3:25pm On Sep 29, 2015
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abouzaid: 3:30pm On Sep 29, 2015
EgunMogaji:


Dis one wey you wan pessin dash me 2X4 for head cheesy

It was a general consensus on that build by the builders contemporaries that it was a bad idea. But strictly for that build.

The truth of the matter is that you can have a strong 6 incher produced and a weak 9 incher.

So if you're going to pluck foundation blocks off of the shelf in Nigeria then imho you should go with 9 inchers.

I'm yet to see Spyder880, Aventures, Skimanski, KolaShangOne, etc use anything less than 9 inchers for foundation.

One of the profound should haves on my project was not using 9 inchers for my fence. IMHO Nigerian 6 inched are best reserved for partitions of upper walls. This is just my opinion and nothing scientific or building experience based.
that build was a mistake from both the architect and the builder but lets start with bungalows first. i want all our builders in the house to stick out their necks now and take their stands now.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abouzaid: 10:33pm On Sep 29, 2015
EgunMogaji:


Dis one wey you wan pessin dash me 2X4 for head cheesy

It was a general consensus on that build by the builders contemporaries that it was a bad idea. But strictly for that build.

The truth of the matter is that you can have a strong 6 incher produced and a weak 9 incher.

So if you're going to pluck foundation blocks off of the shelf in Nigeria then imho you should go with 9 inchers.

I'm yet to see Spyder880, Aventures, Skimanski, KolaShangOne, etc use anything less than 9 inchers for foundation.

One of the profound should haves on my project was not using 9 inchers for my fence. IMHO Nigerian 6 inched are best reserved for partitions of upper walls. This is just my opinion and nothing scientific or building experience based.
bros, abeg forget those people, he is hiding under religion just like yerima yet when a newspaper ran a news report on how he was banging a married woman on the double complete with their text messages and even called him and the lady in question to know their sides of the story before going to press, he could not come out to defend himself. soon after that, the lady's marriage crashed. he is atleast 32yrs older than that girl so you can imagine how that marriage would play out. i don't want to implicate myself online so let's leave that issue.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abouzaid: 10:35pm On Sep 29, 2015
abouzaid:
bros, abeg forget those people, he is hiding under religion just like yerima yet when a newspaper ran a news report on how he was banging a married woman on the double complete with their text messages and even called him and the lady in question to know their sides of the story before going to press, he could not come out to defend himself. soon after that, the lady's marriage crashed. he is atleast 32yrs older than that girl so you can imagine how that marriage would play out. i don't want to implicate myself online so let's leave that issue.
arabianights:




Hello, have you been to this thread and read sanusi's response?

https://www.nairaland.com/2632649/emir-sanusis-response-marriage-saadatu

Remember when we were attacked over our analysis on why he married that young lady? well he didnt deny it either but his response is rather arrogant,rude and i believe low for an Emir
abouzaid:
bros, abeg forget those people, he is hiding under religion just like yerima yet when a newspaper ran a news report on how he was banging a married woman on the double complete with their text messages and even called him and the lady in question to know their sides of the story before going to press, he could not come out to defend himself. soon after that, the lady's marriage crashed. he is atleast 32yrs older than that girl so you can imagine how that marriage would play out. i don't want to implicate myself online so let's leave that issue.
arabianights:




Hello, have you been to this thread and read sanusi's response?

https://www.nairaland.com/2632649/emir-sanusis-response-marriage-saadatu

Remember when we were attacked over our analysis on why he married that young lady? well he didnt deny it either but his response is rather arrogant,rude and i believe low for an Emir
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by arabianights: 10:40pm On Sep 29, 2015
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you are right make i keep quiet grin
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mufutau55(m): 1:16am On Sep 30, 2015
arabianights:

you are right make i keep quiet grin

@abouzaid
@arabianights

Please don't discuss "Current Events" in this thread... this is building discussions.
Thanks.

Hajji M.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 4:08am On Sep 30, 2015
I broke one of my cardinal rules on my last trip home. I ate food from questionable source a day before my flight.

Na so I dey inside motor on road to airport from Ibadan, as we come near Redeem na him the traffic came to a stop and like clockwork na him my stomach start doing me somehow. I sighted one bush wey offer semi privacy and the rest na history. Na him I dey there in all my Londoner glory they ponder how come we no get real rest areas in 2015. God dey .....

Anyways my people e be say I go need like 150 tons of laterite (rough calculation), how much is the going rate?

Gracias.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 4:15am On Sep 30, 2015
abouzaid:
what's your take on using 6" hollow blocks for foundation? what's your take on using 6"by 6" pillars for a bungalow?what's your take on foundation depth especially for Abuja and neighbouring states given the high clay content in their soils? I'll explain later. thanks in advance.

I've seen this done before without any issue. Though, a lot of supporting columns were introduced into the build.

Project: 4 Bedroom Bungalow
Architect: Unknown
Builders: Local Builder
Location: Owode Yewa, Ogun state

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 4:21am On Sep 30, 2015
EgunMogaji:

Anyways my people e be say I go need like 150 tons of laterite (rough calculation), how much is the going rate?

Gracias.

150tons? Na only granite you wan use build the house?

Let's agree 60 tons will go into your DPC cos it's a football pitch and 8inch thick. Where will the remaining 90 tons be used? Columns, Lintels, Roof and maybe the compound?

I'm sure you can't do concrete septic tank in that terrain without the use of mechanized equipment.

Just asking sha not probing.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 4:32am On Sep 30, 2015
brabus:


150tons? Na only granite you wan use build the house?

Let's agree 60 tons will go into your DPC cos it's a football pitch and 8inch thick. Where will the remaining 90 tons be used? Columns, Lintels, Roof and ...?

Just asking.

My oga at the top, na laterite not granite.

That is the rough estimate, my first delivery will be about 60 tons. Foundation is 80 X 50 feet no more no less grin

Re soakaway, here is a picture of one right across the street from me dug by hand. I counted about 15 being currently dug by hand.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 4:36am On Sep 30, 2015
My bad sir! It has been a while I heard that word "laterite".

However, 150 tons of laterite cannot fill that structure.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 4:41am On Sep 30, 2015
brabus:
My bad sir! It has been a while I heard that word "laterite".

However, 150 tons of laterite cannot fill that structure.


More or less?

But most importantly "what is the going rate"?

Thanks.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 4:44am On Sep 30, 2015
EgunMogaji:


More or less?

But most importantly "what is the going rate"?

Thanks.

More. Going rate or cost? I have no idea.

You must have gotten some fillings from the septic tank.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 5:07am On Sep 30, 2015
EgunMogaji:
A question for the seasoned builders.

Can one build pillars all the way from blinding to final height (ring beam) at once on a bungalow?

Thanks.

You mean if you can actually build like this. Very possible!

Saving cost of Sandfilling. The ground floor is replaced with precast slabs which are placed on connected beams.

Seen it before.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by KolaShangOne(m): 5:15am On Sep 30, 2015
brag3:
@HsLBroker.

Thanks for the detailed explanation. It really helps alot when we get such detailed info.

So from what you are saying. The difference in sizes is due to the greedy nature of the suppliers trying to sell less for more?

So how can one combat this? how can we avoid this issue?


Me thinks it's somehow avoidable..

1) Take ransom physical measurements. Buy a 5m tape and take physical wood measurement but Leave an allowance for human error. If you're not around, find a "Neutral" relative to do so

2) Do not pay completely up front. Hold back a certain amount and go into agreement with the supplier that you won't pay him if his wood is incomplete in size and quantity

3) Get a "Neutral" Carpenter to be paid just 2-3k for the sole purpose of identifying the type of wood

***Neutral means someone with no stake / interest in the job. If you tell ur Carpenter to verify the wood, he might tell U its bad because the supplier didn't settle him OR because he had expectations of buying wood himself and gaining about 70-100k..

**** I personally do work (supplying wood as part of them) and demand to be paid after work is done or wood has gotten to site. Some Nairalanders can testify to this. It's risky but I do it after consultations.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by KolaShangOne(m): 5:20am On Sep 30, 2015
brabus:


More. Going rate or cost? I have no idea.

You must have gotten some fillings from the septic tank.

Going rate and cost are actually one and the same.
Egun wants to know how much 1 ton of laterite costs so that he can multiply it by 150..

@EgunMogaji contact @smiley001 for that. Sometimes one might be lucky to get excess to-be-evacuated materials from another site and you just pay for the dump truck.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 5:28am On Sep 30, 2015
KolaShangOne:


Going rate and cost are actually one and the same.
Egun wants to know how much 1 ton of laterite costs so that he can multiply it by 150..

@EgunMogaji contact @smiley001 for that. Sometimes one might be lucky to get excess to-be-evacuated materials from another site and you just pay for the dump truck.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 5:32am On Sep 30, 2015
KolaShangOne:


Going rate and cost are actually one and the same.

You see! I'm not that smart anyway. I used to think going rate is per unit cost while the cost (actual) is final sum paid after negotiations. Like say, the going rate for a bag of cement is 1550 while the cost payable on 100 bags is 150,000.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abdulwastecx(m): 5:52am On Sep 30, 2015
abouzaid:
what's your take on using 6" hollow blocks for foundation? what's your take on using 6"by 6" pillars for a bungalow?what's your take on foundation depth especially for Abuja and neighbouring states given the high clay content in their soils? I'll explain later. thanks in advance.

i don't have any problem with using 6'' block for bungalow foundation or 150x150mm for column.

sections of members like column are governed by slenderness ratio of the column which is a function of height. sections of members are also governed by the intended load that the column will carry, It also depend on the brazed condition of columns.

For bungalows with closely spaced wall with longest distance not more than 4.5m c/c, 6" block can be used.
I normally use 6" block for building when my site/land is very small because the difference in cost between 6" & 9'' is not that great.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abdulwastecx(m): 5:57am On Sep 30, 2015
brabus:


You mean if you can actually build like this. Very possible!

Saving cost of Sandfilling. The ground floor is replaced with precast slabs which are placed on connected beams.

Seen it before.

I think this is more expensive.
precast slab will be expensive
the formwork to the beam
the cost of beam reinforcement
workmanship etc.

Its cheaper to sand filled a bungalow on a relatively gentle ground
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by arabianights: 5:59am On Sep 30, 2015
mufutau55:


@abouzaid
@arabianights

Please don't discuss "Current Events" in this thread... this is building discussions.
Thanks.

Hajji M.



If you clearly read our chat as i would want to assume you did, then you would observe that we ended it.Have a Good day "oga"
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by KolaShangOne(m): 6:07am On Sep 30, 2015
brabus:


You see! I'm not that smart anyway. I used to think going rate is per unit cost while the cost (actual) is final sum paid after negotiations. Like say, the going rate for a bag of cement is 1550 while the cost payable on 100 bags is 150,000.


Everything is all about Kudi..Owo..money.. cheesy
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abdulwastecx(m): 6:08am On Sep 30, 2015
abouzaid:
i haven't seen it done before, i believe it can be done but i won't advice it because i don't see anything to be gained from it.

It is better if one can build it from foundation to the ring beam only for bungalows.

reinforcement detailing is big problem for most building contractors because of their limited knowledge of structural engineering.

The column from the foundation footing to the dpc ( over site concrete), act as a single unit with that from the dpc to the roof ( of a bungalow. You safe money from excess reinforcement that have to be lapped if done separately (lapping of not less than 750mm).
You hals safe extra cost from workmanship since it will be cheaper to do the columns at once.

the major problem is with straightness of the column, when not properly done the column may end up bent.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by johnson232: 6:43am On Sep 30, 2015
abdulwastecx:


I think this is more expensive.
precast slab will be expensive
the formwork to the beam
the cost of beam reinforcement
workmanship etc.

Its cheaper to sand filled a bungalow on a relatively gentle ground
Pls Sir How many tons of laterite do I need to fill my building measuring 15m x 21m, depth is 750mm. My builder said it will swallow up like 400tons of laterite, isn't that too much?

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by smiley001(m): 7:01am On Sep 30, 2015
KolaShangOne:


Going rate and cost are actually one and the same.
Egun wants to know how much 1 ton of laterite costs so that he can multiply it by 150..

@EgunMogaji contact @smiley001 for that. Sometimes one might be lucky to get excess to-be-evacuated materials from another site and you just pay for the dump truck.



Thanks for d recommendation sir he had already contacted me yesterday. I didn't even know he's back to his base, only for me to see My Oga's Yankee number ringing me while I was even planning to go visit him in ibadan to collect my Yankee goodies (Unlucky me).

To be frank, I don't think 150tons will even fill up wot I'm seeing.

And dis is another thing customers don't know, laterite pit is different from quarry. laterite is being sold by d numbers of the tyres d truck has. Laterite pits do not have scale to weigh their materials.
So incase u order for 150tons and it didn't fill it up or it didn't meet up ur target. Wot d pit normally puts in d bucket for maybe 20tons dump truck is not always more Dan 16tons if we want to go by d way of tonnage and there is even no scale to measure it.

D advice i will give is, he shld negotiate base on tyres (6tyres or 10tyres) as there is no Laterite pit dat sells per ton not to now talk of knowing d tonnage u r buying.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 7:26am On Sep 30, 2015
brabus:


More. Going rate or cost? I have no idea.

You must have gotten some fillings from the septic tank.


Oga abi you dey happy hour over there? grin

Not my tank but one across from me.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 7:29am On Sep 30, 2015
abdulwastecx:


i don't have any problem with using 6'' block for bungalow foundation or 150x150mm for column.

sections of members like column are governed by slenderness ratio of the column which is a function of height. sections of members are also governed by the intended load that the column will carry, It also depend on the brazed condition of columns.

For bungalows with closely spaced wall with longest distance not more than 4.5m c/c, 6" block can be used.
I normally use 6" block for building when my site/land is very small because the difference in cost between 6" & 9'' is not that great.





Do you mind showing me a pic of one of your 6" block foundations?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 7:31am On Sep 30, 2015
smiley001:



Thanks for d recommendation sir he had already contacted me yesterday. I didn't even know he's back to his base, only for me to see My Oga's Yankee number ringing me while I was even planning to go visit him in ibadan to collect my Yankee goodies (Unlucky me).

To be frank, I don't think 150tons will even fill up wot I'm seeing.

And dis is another thing customers don't know, laterite pit is different from quarry. laterite is being sold by d numbers of the tyres d truck has. Laterite pits do not have scale to weigh their materials.
So incase u order for 150tons and it didn't fill it up or it didn't meet up ur target. Wot d pit normally puts in d bucket for maybe 20tons dump truck is not always more Dan 16tons if we want to go buy d way of tonnage and there is even no scale to measure it.

D advice i will give is, he shld negotiate base on tyres (6tyres or 10tyres) as there is no Laterite pit dat sells per ton not to now talk of knowing d tonnage u r buying.

It's funny but I didn't ask for advice but simply for the per tonne cost of laterite . And not from sellers but buyers.

Also, you really need to stop talking down to me as if I'm a numptie. In anything that I dabble in I make it my priority to become an expert in it.

At this stage of the game you know very little more than me in your industry. I know all the angles, the loopholes, the driver/suppliers scraping materials along the way, the ashewo load etc.

Supplying materials is not rocket science or brain surgery.

Weighed or unweighed, a 20 ton truck load that costs N10k is N500 per tonne. It's easy mathematics.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by podosci(m): 7:54am On Sep 30, 2015
EgunMogaji:


Do you mind showing me a pic of one of your 6" block foundations?

I was banned on property section not long ago. It seems some people are not okay with my contributions here
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 7:58am On Sep 30, 2015
EgunMogaji:



Oga abi you dey happy hour over there? grin

Not my tank but one across from me.

I guess it's hangover from taking too much of Eva water. I can see clearly now. It's septic tank in the neighborhood and laterite we are talking about.

Thank God for a brand new day. Maybe I could have asked how many floors is your bungalow at that time?

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