I and a couple of friends were discussing religion cum secularism. We were all trying to feather our nests by defending our religions, a Muslim friend amongst us was saying secularism is the worse thing that can happen to a man because you won't have any principle guiding your behaviours than what is acceptable in the society at the time which mostly is transient and relative. Eg, Gay marriage was a taboo before but now acceptable in some countries.

The guy went further to explain that both Christianity and Islam preach peace and they have laid down tenets that is a pathway for the faithfuls. I was baffled at the way another friend flared up; accusing Muslims of terrorism, extremism and a host of others.

However, he was neutralized by a single statement from the Muslims guy. He said, 'If God wanted me to be a Christian, he would have let me be born a Christian, He's not so wicked to have had me born Muslim then disobey my parents and become a Christian'. He went further, 'By the way, Jesus was not even a Christian, was he?'


There I discovered that I had missed something. Some of us are what we are because of whom our parents were. Jesus was not a Christian, than what religion did he practised? Judaism, maybe.

Extremism is worse a sin than murder. Judge people not for you are not in their shoes.

You are right, Jesus was not a Christian, neither did he practise Judaism. He came to do the work of His Father

"as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do".
John 17:2-4 NKJV

He didn't come to practise any religion, he came to fulfill the will of His father and he gave us the same assignment to continue in the work of his father.

Christianity is not a religion, it is a life style given to us by God thru Jesus Christ.

yes, he practiced Judaism.

Jesus was a prophet, the messenger of God. He neither practice Judaism nor his he a Christian. He believes in oneness of God.

anibirelawal:
Jesus was a prophet, the messenger of God. He neither practice Judaism nor his he a Christian. He believes in oneness of God.

Every Oneness chanting muslim is a rapist and an AK47 carrying demonic being looking for OneMore person to Kill, Steal and Destroy!!

Evil of Islam is there for all to see Worldwide!!
Don't be deceived!

Jesus is the Christ
His disciples-followers are Christians

Act_11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

just like it is always said, the mind of a man at birth is a tabula rasa,
OP, if you were born an hindus, you will believe that is the only way. likewise a muslim, etc.
Our Lord Jesus Christ came with message for humanity, to help humanity find his way back to his spiritual home i.e paradise. He was love in personification.

johnw74:

Jesus is the Christ
His disciples-followers are Christians

Act_11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

So which religion did adam and others before Jesus practised. At least they must have a religion before they can be in the bible or quran.

YES!

ZKOSOSO:


Every Oneness chanting muslim is a rapist and an AK47 carrying demonic being looking for OneMore person to Kill, Steal and Destroy!!

Evil of Islam is there for all to see Worldwide!!
Don't be deceived!

........ If every true Muslim are believed to be what u just posted here, I don't think that you will still be alive to write this up. The so called sick people you refer to were not Muslim, they are unbelievers.

ZKOSOSO:


Every Oneness chanting muslim is a rapist and an AK47 carrying demonic being looking for OneMore person to Kill, Steal and Destroy!!

Evil of Islam is there for all to see Worldwide!!
Don't be deceived!

If you can be this radical as a Christian, you would be a terrorist as a Muslim. Thank God you were born a Christian

johnw74:

Jesus is the Christ
His disciples-followers are Christians

Act_11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Did you read the post at all?

Does it look like I don't know what you posted?

My point is, we Christians shouldn't be too judgmental. Jesus didn't condemn the gentle to hell.

@Ops.
The little you wrote,indicates you are very bright and smart. When somebody makes an assertion, as a smart guy, what do u do? You think.
How can christ be a Christian when his followers were refered to as Christians wen he had already left back to heaven?

NOTE: they(followers of Christ) weren't called christians because they needed to be identified as such in a good way, they were so called to stigmatise and revile them. That said, Christ didn't start a religion, men, moved by greed and the already laid down traditions turned it to what it is today.
Beside, in the word "Christianity" there's Christ. We follow him and try to do what he did while on earth.
AND, we are not Christians because our Parents are Christians. Maybe you are new in NL. Somany NLanders are pastors Deacons, church Leaders/elders childrend are Atheist. that's to say, you grow up to choose ur path. A Muslim can say that because that's how it is in islam so they assume that's what optains in christianity. But no.
You are not born a Christian, you become a Christian, that's why there's need to be born again, then get baptised(initiated) into christ. And you can't be born again without understanding why christ was nailed to the cross. Even you @OPs, if you have known why Christ hung on the cross, you won't sound the way U sound.
Nobody killed Christ, you couldn't even if you wanted to. He handed over himself to be killed, because without that His mission will be futile. His blood needed to be shed as an exchange, Ransome, price, payment, call it what ever. But untill u know why he did that, you are not yet a christian.
Nicodemus asked Jesus, how that could be possible. Its not done as a child. So please seek knowledge, you are very smart, so seek knowledge.

Yes Jésus was never called a Christian but his disciples were. We are his disciples too. Christian is doing/acting like Christ.

We are all entitled to our opinions. Yes when we are young children, we take 99.9% of our parents instructions/education. But when we become adults. We do things ourselves. A man chooses his wife, buy a car, house etc. We don't buy same car or same house just like our parents. The test is different. My parents choice cannot be my choice. Same thing for my belief. As an adult, I would choose what is thé truth. Not what my parents made me to believe. Be it Christian, Buddhism, atheism or Muslim. I must find the truth by myself Because I am no longer a little child but an Adult. So it's a blind argument to say because we were born into a religion. Therefore, we must remain in that religion.


Rom 2:6God "will repay each person according to what they have done

plappville:
Yes Jésus was never called a Christian but his disciples were. We are his disciples too. Christian is doing/acting like Christ.

We are all entitled to our opinions. Yes when we are young children, we take 99.9% of our parents instructions/education. But when we become adults. We do things ourselves. A man chooses his wife, buy a car, house etc. We don't buy same car or same house just like our parents. The test is different. My parents choice cannot be my choice. Same thing for my belief. As an adult, I would choose what is thé truth. Not what my parents made me to believe. Be it Christian, Buddhism, atheism or Muslim. I must find the truth by myself Because I am no longer a little child but an Adult. So it's a blind argument to say because we were born into a religion. Therefore, we must remain in that religion.


Rom 2:6God "will repay each person according to what they have done

Thank you but can you compare the number of people that divert from the family business with those that changed faith? Christians change congregations when they grow but not religion.

If you think otherwise, it's still cool though.

Paulpaulpaul:
There I discovered that I had missed something.
Some of us are what we are because of whom our parents were.
Jesus was not a Christian, then what religion did he practised? Judaism, maybe

Jesus wasnt into religion
If curious about a religion or want to know about a religion that pleases God,
then James 1:27 is a good place to start

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this:
to look after orphans and widows in their distress
and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world
- James 1:27

Jesus came because of the 3 Rs incapsulated in the Gospel
- Reconciliation, Redemption & Relationship

johnw74:
Jesus is the Christ
His disciples-followers are Christians

The disciples were called Christians first in Antioch
Who actually called the disciples-followers Christians firdt in Antioch, as mentioned in Act 11:26?
Who were doing this Christian-name calling in Act 11:26?

johnw74:
Act_11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

... and the black man was called negro or nigger
Please answer this johnw74:
Did Paul explicitly call himself a Christian, did the early believers, disciples or Apostles explicitly called themselves Christians?

plappville:
Yes Jésus was never called a Christian but his disciples were. We are his disciples too. Christian is doing/acting like Christ.

We can sprinkle pixie dust on the word Christian as much as we like (i.e. same goes for the word negro/nigger)
but it doesnt change the fact and truth
that the word Christian, was a contemptuous term used by the people of Antioch and by King Agrippa for the early believers or disciples.
- the early believers or disciples were called Christians not for reasons we love to believe
but rather for a particular reason and singular trait common among the early believers or disciples
which the people of Antioch and elsewhere found baffling about them
- the early believers or disciples never wavered in their faith,
not at adversity, stood firm in their faith even to the point of facing brutal, barbaric and merciless death

Paulpaulpaul:
I and a couple of friends were discussing religion cum secularism. We were all trying to feather our nests by defending our religions, a Muslim friend amongst us was saying secularism is the worse thing that can happen to a man because you won't have any principle guiding your behaviours than what is acceptable in the society at the time which mostly is transient and relative. Eg, Gay marriage was a taboo before but now acceptable in some countries.

The guy went further to explain that both Christianity and Islam preach peace and they have laid down tenets that is a pathway for the faithfuls. I was baffled at the way another friend flared up; accusing Muslims of terrorism, extremism and a host of others.

However, he was neutralized by a single statement from the Muslims guy. He said, 'If God wanted me to be a Christian, he would have let me be born a Christian, He's not so wicked to have had me born Muslim then disobey my parents and become a Christian'. He went further, 'By the way, Jesus was not even a Christian, was he?'


There I discovered that I had missed something. Some of us are what we are because of whom our parents were. Jesus was not a Christian, than what religion did he practised? Judaism, maybe.

Extremism is worse a sin than murder. Judge people not for you are not in their shoes.

Just one thing to say,"view pictures below"

Jesus came to show us the way to follow.

Anas09:
@Ops.
The little you wrote,indicates you are very bright and smart. When somebody makes an assertion, as a smart guy, what do u do? You think.
How can christ be a Christian when his followers were refered to as Christians wen he had already left back to heaven?

NOTE: they(followers of Christ) weren't called christians because they needed to be identified as such in a good way, they were so called to stigmatise and revile them. That said, Christ didn't start a religion, men, moved by greed and the already laid down traditions turned it to what it is today.
Beside, in the word "Christianity" there's Christ. We follow him and try to do what he did while on earth.
AND, we are not Christians because our Parents are Christians. Maybe you are new in NL. Somany NLanders are pastors Deacons, church Leaders/elders childrend are Atheist. that's to say, you grow up to choose ur path. A Muslim can say that because that's how it is in islam so they assume that's what optains in christianity. But no.
You are not born a Christian, you become a Christian, that's why there's need to be born again, then get baptised(initiated) into christ. And you can't be born again without understanding why christ was nailed to the cross. Even you @OPs, if you have known why Christ hung on the cross, you won't sound the way U sound.
Nobody killed Christ, you couldn't even if you wanted to. He handed over himself to be killed, because without that His mission will be futile. His blood needed to be shed as an exchange, Ransome, price, payment, call it what ever. But untill u know why he did that, you are not yet a christian.
Nicodemus asked Jesus, how that could be possible. Its not done as a child. So please seek knowledge, you are very smart, so seek knowledge.

I want to know how you got to know that Jesus died for our sins, is it from the scriptures the roman modified to suit their worship style or what?

Christianity= way of life= Religion

Paulpaulpaul:


Thank you but can you compare the number of people that divert from the family business with those that changed faith? Christians change congregations when they grow but not religion.

If you think otherwise, it's still cool though.

Am sorry, I can't do any comparison. Christians do change religion but its rare. I have seen few around me that became atheist.They usually change at Collage or in a higher school. Anyway, this is the handwork of science. I have also seen very few that change from Christian to muslim.

MuttleyLaff:


We can sprinkle pixie dust on the word Christian as much as we like (i.e. same goes for the word negro/nigger)
but it doesnt change the fact and truth
that the word Christian, was a contemptuous term used by the people of Antioch and by King Agrippa for the early believers or disciples.
- the early believers or disciples were called Christians not for reasons we love to believe
but rather for a particular reason and singular trait common among the early believers or disciples
which the people of Antioch and elsewhere found baffling about them
- the early believers or disciples never wavered in their faith,
not at adversity, stood firm in their faith even to the point of facing brutal, barbaric and merciless death

You and this you r negro/nigger issue na India film oo. You never finish am with @OLAAGBO since. You be White?

hmmm.. y'all really need to watch ur speeches

Jesus Christ is a God-ian but we are Christ-ian.

MuttleyLaff:

Please answer this johnw74:
Did Paul explicitly call himself a Christian, did the early believers, disciples or Apostles explicitly called themselves Christians?

What does that matter, those who have faith in Jesus Christ became known as Christians,
and faith in Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation.

Act_4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

2Ti_3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Tit_2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Anas09:
@Ops.
The little you wrote,indicates you are very bright and smart. When somebody makes an assertion, as a smart guy, what do u do? You think.
How can christ be a Christian when his followers were refered to as Christians wen he had already left back to heaven?

NOTE: they(followers of Christ) weren't called christians because they needed to be identified as such in a good way, they were so called to stigmatise and revile them. That said, Christ didn't start a religion, men, moved by greed and the already laid down traditions turned it to what it is today.
Beside, in the word "Christianity" there's Christ. We follow him and try to do what he did while on earth.
AND, we are not Christians because our Parents are Christians. Maybe you are new in NL. Somany NLanders are pastors Deacons, church Leaders/elders childrend are Atheist. that's to say, you grow up to choose ur path. A Muslim can say that because that's how it is in islam so they assume that's what optains in christianity. But no.
You are not born a Christian, you become a Christian, that's why there's need to be born again, then get baptised(initiated) into christ. And you can't be born again without understanding why christ was nailed to the cross. Even you @OPs, if you have known why Christ hung on the cross, you won't sound the way U sound.
Nobody killed Christ, you couldn't even if you wanted to. He handed over himself to be killed, because without that His mission will be futile. His blood needed to be shed as an exchange, Ransome, price, payment, call it what ever. But untill u know why he did that, you are not yet a christian.
Nicodemus asked Jesus, how that could be possible. Its not done as a child. So please seek knowledge, you are very smart, so seek knowledge.

. My bro,pls wen u want to type anything always write the truth,don't come and brainshwash the gullible ones here!jesus ws never prepared to laid his lives,first he told his desciples to get a sword,then he positions them in a proper places to protect him,then he go pray to God,and he prayed so hardly that the bible says his sweat ws like blood!!,luke 22 he ws never prepared to give his life!,he never did!,its amazing hw much u claim the holy spirit,but come here and write opposite of wats in ur bible,its very amazing

A man can't be separated from his character/virtue or life. christainity is Christ and the life of a Christian is also Christ.
So the question is.. Is Christ a Christian?.. Yes, because His character/virtue and life can't be separated from who He is.

ichuka:
A man can't be separated from his character/virtue or life. christainity is Christ and the life of a Christian is also Christ.
So the question is.. Is Christ a Christian?.. Yes, because His character/virtue and life can't be separated from who He is.

Jesus was not a Christian because the word Christian itself means Christ-like. We are called to be like Christ. He is the standard, not the follower.

He worshipped in the temple and followed Judaic traditions, as recorded in the bible.

He empowered his disciples, all Jewish, to spread the gospel among the gentiles ie non Jewish people, and that's how/why the word Christian came to be.


However, pointing out this fact does not mean Jesus was an unbeliever. It's just putting things in perspective since the op raised the question.

tpiander:


Jesus was not a Christian because the word Christian itself means Christ-like. We are called to be like Christ. He is the standard, not the follower.

He worshipped in the temple and followed Judaic traditions, as recorded in the bible.

He empowered his disciples, all Jewish, to spread the gospel among the gentiles ie non Jewish people, and that's how/why the word Christian came to be.

However, pointing out this fact does not mean Jesus was an unbeliever. It's just putting things in perspective since the op raised the question.

You said *Christ like *what's the meaning of that? If not EXPRESSING THE CHARACTER/VIRTUE or Life of Christ.or are you trying to say that Christ Life/Virtue is different from Christ Himself?

Dude you can't separate Christainity/Christian from Christ. Is like trying to separate the body from the head.

johnw74:
What does that matter,

It does matter because of the following 5 reasons:

#1 Paul, the Apostles, early believers, disciples or saints never called themselves Christians
#2 This Christian word, just like negro/nigger, was used by, others, of early believers, disciples or saints
and not used by early believers, disciples or saints of themselves
#3 Paul, the Apostles, early believers, disciples avoided the Christian word and the use of it.
#4 You wont find any of the New Testament authors using the christian word to describe themselves or to describe fellow believers, disciples or saints
#5 Last and importantly, the word ''Christian'' is a term of the world,
people who belong to the world imposed the word ''Christian'' on early believers or disciples
so, instead of conforming to the world,
it is best to use the words of God, used to describes those who are His
and particularly take heed of 1 John 4:5-6.

⁵These people belong to the world.
That's why they speak the thoughts of the world, and the world listens to them.
⁶We belong to God. The person who knows God listens to us.
Whoever doesn't belong to God doesn't listen to us.
That's how we can tell the Spirit of truth from the spirit of lies.
1 John 4:5-6

johnw74:
those who have faith in Jesus Christ became known as Christians,

Jesus never called or described those who had faith in Him christians.
God has never called any believers, disciples, brethren or saints a Christian

johnw74:
and faith in Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation.

Act_4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

2Ti_3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Tit_2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Non sequitur

plappville:
You and this your negro/nigger issue na India film oo. grin

The Christian word shares a similar contemptuous undertone as the negro/nigger word did and still does, thats why

plappville:
You never finish am with @OLAADEGBU since

Some are so stucked in the church system and tradition
they hardly ask the why-questions or face the truth,
as this will mess up the pet-doctrines and strong opinionated beliefs they were raised upon.
Him and johnw74 absolutely have NO scriptural verse backing that Paul, the Apostles, early believers, disciples or saints, ever called themselves Christians
Suffice to say there is hope

plappville:
You be White?

Put it this way, it's black-and-white ​issue, as the fact is clear and truth out there

MuttleyLaff:
It does matter because of the following 5 reasons:

#1 Paul, the Apostles, early believers, disciples or saints never called themselves Christians
#2 This Christian word, just like negro/nigger, was used by, others, of early believers, disciples or saints
and not used by early believers, disciples or saints of themselves
#3 Paul, the Apostles, early believers, disciples avoided the Christian word and the use of it.
#4 You wont find any of the New Testament authors using the christian word to describe themselves or to describe fellow believers, disciples or saints
#5 Last and importantly, the word ''Christian'' is a term of the world,
people who belong to the world imposed the word ''Christian'' on early believers or disciples
so, instead of conforming to the world,
it is best to use the words of God, used to describes those who are His
and particularly take heed of 1 John 4:5-6.

⁵These people belong to the world.
That's why they speak the thoughts of the world, and the world listens to them.
⁶We belong to God. The person who knows God listens to us.
Whoever doesn't belong to God doesn't listen to us.
That's how we can tell the Spirit of truth from the spirit of lies.
1 John 4:5-6

Jesus never called or described those who had faith in Him christians.
God has never called any believers, disciples, brethren or saints a Christian

Non sequitur

The Christian word shares a similar contemptuous undertone as the negro/nigger word did and still does, thats why

Some are so stucked in the church system and tradition
they hardly ask the why-questions or face the truth,
as this will mess up the pet-doctrines and strong opinionated beliefs they were raised upon.
Him and johnw74 absolutely have NO scriptural verse backing that Paul, the Apostles, early believers, disciples or saints, ever called themselves Christians
Suffice to say there is hope

Put it this way, it's black-and-white ​issue, as the fact is clear and truth out there

I'm happy to be called Christian after my Lord Jesus Christ
and I'm happy to call others of faith in Jesus Christ Christians
after our Lord Jesus Christ.

If you have a diffrent Lord then call yourself differently.

MuttleyLaff:

Him and johnw74 absolutely have NO scriptural verse backing that Paul, the Apostles, early believers, disciples or saints, ever called themselves Christians

You are much confused, post quote where I said that Paul, the Apostles, early believers, disciples or saints, called themselves Christians