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Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by modath(f): 10:55am On Oct 05, 2015
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Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by nigerianvenom(m): 10:56am On Oct 05, 2015
donholy28:
Soon even governors go begin find immunity from d law sef

All the governors are protected by immunity clause
Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by TonyeBarcanista(m): 10:56am On Oct 05, 2015
chukwudi44:
The bill to confer immunity on the leadership of the NASS and the CJN is not an amendment as there currently exists no such immunity to be amended!! A fresh bill will be introduced to confer immunity on the leadership of the other two arms of government that is currently been enjoyed by the executive arms alone!!

It is either the immunity law is scrapped altogether or it is made to go round the other arms of government as well!! We cannot allow the legislature to become a rubber stamp of the executive through mindless harrassments and intimdation!!An independent legislature is the bedrock of any functional democracy!!! A rubber stamp legislature breeds dictatorship and messes up the whole democratic process of checks and balances.
I don't know why you sometimes like blind argument. Better you try to understand how stuffs works.

The National Assembly is set to begin the process of constitution amendment towards ensuring immunity for heads of the three arms of government.

To also benefit from the immunity, when the constitution is amended, are the Deputy Senate President, Speaker of the House of Representatives, his deputy and the Chief Justice of the Federation, CJN
https://www.nairaland.com/2643834/nass-planning-immunity-laws-senate

The emboldened should be enough to end this argument of amendment or no amendment. The Constitution was clear on who is/are to enjoy Immunity from prosecution. Any change amounts to AMENDMENT!

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Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by Nobody: 11:01am On Oct 05, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

I don't know why you sometimes like blind argument. Better you try to understand how stuffs works.



The emboldened should be enough to end this argument of amendment or no amendment. The Constitution was clear on who is/are to enjoy Immunity from prosecution. Any change amounts to AMENDMENT!

What is the difference between an introduction of a fresh bill and an amendment to an already existing clause?
Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by Iykopee(m): 11:04am On Oct 05, 2015
If Nigerians are truthful to themselves, why wud there be immunity for the executive and without same for the legislature and judiciary? Can any1 be sincere enough to put me through?

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Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by TonyeBarcanista(m): 11:08am On Oct 05, 2015
chukwudi44:


What is the difference between an introduction of a fresh bill and an amendment to an already existing clause?
Amenment of a Constitution is in itself a bill. When passed it becomes an Act. See where Jonathan vetoed the 2015 Amendment Act www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/181900-nigerian-govt-sues-senate-house-over-constitution-amendments.html
Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by TonyeBarcanista(m): 11:12am On Oct 05, 2015
Iykopee:
If Nigerians are truthful to themselves, why wud there be immunity for the executive and without same for the legislature and judiciary? Can any1 be sincere enough to put me through?
Even in the USA the President enjoys immunity from criminal prosecution. In fact, ALL Presidents (Heads of States) and Heads of Government enjoy global immunity from arrests and prosecution...except when impeached or warrant issued by International Criminal Court, but NO head of legislative or judicial arm enjoys such. It isn't peculiar to Nigeria!

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Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by Nobody: 11:13am On Oct 05, 2015
Iykopee:
If Nigerians are truthful to themselves, why wud there be immunity for the executive and without same for the legislature and judiciary? Can any1 be sincere enough to put me through?

This is my take!! What is good for the goose is also good for the gander!!! We cannot just allow one arm of Government to be bullying the others!! If not for the immunity clause i wonder what would have become of Governors like Wike,Fayose,Udom etc
Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by Nobody: 11:15am On Oct 05, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

Even in the USA the President enjoys immunity from criminal prosecution. In fact, ALL Presidents (Heads of States) and Heads of Government enjoy global immunity from arrests and prosecution...except when impeached or warrant issued by International Criminal Court, but NO head of legislative or judicial arm enjoys such. It isn't peculiar to Nigeria!

So if we see any anomaly in the US constitution,we just import it into our constitution? Na waaooo for youooo
Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by Nobody: 11:16am On Oct 05, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

Amenment of a Constitution is in itself a bill. When passed it becomes an Act. See where Jonathan vetoed the 2015 Amendment Act www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/181900-nigerian-govt-sues-senate-house-over-constitution-amendments.html

You forgot to include that the NASS went ahead to pass it into law without presidential assent!!
Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by TonyeBarcanista(m): 11:19am On Oct 05, 2015
dialfa:

It is also for the citizens to take responsibility and know that their vote has value
Look, this is not about Saraki but about the office of the Senate President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. Don't confuse the two.
I say prosecute Saraki but protect the office. So wait until he is voted out or impeached.
Now should we also prosecute a corrupt sitting President of the Federation? Why not?
Unfortunately, Nigeria can't and won't wait for Saraki to resign or be impeached! If he can not exercise such moral obligation then he will be dragged into the mud even further and go down history as the FIRST sitting Senate President to be convicted! The law is NO respecter of any person(s).

As for incumbent president, it boils down to the parliament to institute impeachment proceedings if they find him wanting. No country in the world try a sitting president.

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Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by TonyeBarcanista(m): 11:24am On Oct 05, 2015
chukwudi44:


You forgot to include that the NASS went ahead to pass it into law without presidential assent!!
You should have read the article! The amendment scaled through the 36 States Houses BUT it fell short of Section 8. The FG not only vetoed it but instituted legal action against the NASS before the Supreme Court. The case is Still in court and has NOT been made valid. Hence, nobody cite the 2015 Constitutional amendment in law!

The ko-ko is that 36 States Houses are needed to OKAY amendment(read that link). The moment one House refuse, it becomes INVALID!

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Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by TonyeBarcanista(m): 11:44am On Oct 05, 2015
Lalasticlala and Obinoscopy FP
Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by Rilwayne001: 11:49am On Oct 05, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

Market no too bad....yours?

I was expecting you to mention those minions of yours immediately after the OP as you have always been doing; more especially the stiffnecked pa shukwudi. Are you afraid to tell them the truth?

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Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by Iykopee(m): 12:07pm On Oct 05, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

Even in the USA the President enjoys immunity from criminal prosecution. In fact, ALL Presidents (Heads of States) and Heads of Government enjoy global immunity from arrests and prosecution...except when impeached or warrant issued by International Criminal Court, but NO head of legislative or judicial arm enjoys such. It isn't peculiar to Nigeria!


^^^ becos the USA is practising an anomaly, we shud do same?

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Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by TonyeBarcanista(m): 12:15pm On Oct 05, 2015
Iykopee:



^^^ becos the USA is practising an anomaly, we shud do same?
I'm not aware of any anomally! Again it isn't just the USA, it is a global prractice.
Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by bayulll01(m): 12:38pm On Oct 05, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:
Often times I wonder the kind of people that
May God Bless Us All

This is the type I expect from you tonye,let's all contributes to nation building enough of this Apc,pdp craze,those guys there are looters and they divides us,so that they can continue to enjoy their looting,if you continue like this,I guess we will be friends again.

N.B can you let @dino_melaye realise he's a public servant,if he can't face criticism he should leave that sit
Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by dialfa: 12:40pm On Oct 05, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

Unfortunately, Nigeria can't and won't wait for Saraki to resign or be impeached! If he can not exercise such moral obligation then he will be dragged into the mud even further and go down history as the FIRST sitting Senate President to be convicted! The law is NO respecter of any person(s).

As for incumbent president, it boils down to the parliament to institute impeachment proceedings if they find him wanting. No country in the world try a sitting president.

See hypocrisy

You are still confusing Saraki with the office of the Senate President

Nigeria will have to live with the consequences of its actions and wait for Saraki to resign or be impeached
If Saraki cannot exercise moral obligations, he should be dragged in the mud but the Office of the Senate president cannot be dragged in the mud! The office must be protected.
Patience is a virtue.

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Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by TonyeBarcanista(m): 12:48pm On Oct 05, 2015
dialfa:

See hypocrisy
You are still confusing Saraki with the office of the Senate President
Nigeria will have to live with the consequences of its actions and wait for Saraki to resign or be impeached
If Saraki cannot exercise moral obligations, he should be dragged in the mud but the Office of the Senate president cannot be dragged in the mud! The office must be protected.
Patience is a virtue.
No sir, I've always maintained that the office of the SP is distinct from the occupant. If the occupant cannot shouw moral obligation to step down, then he will be dragged by the prosecutors.

The office will NOT and CANNOT be protected from criminal prosecution. Nigeria is not a banana republic

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Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by dialfa: 12:54pm On Oct 05, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

No sir, I've always maintained that the office of the SP is distinct from the occupant. If the occupant cannot shouw moral obligation to step down, then he will be dragged by the prosecutors.

The office will NOT and CANNOT be protected from criminal prosecution. Nigeria is not a banana republic

The office CAN and MUST be protected from prosecution. The judiciary has no business tampering with the legislature. Democracy doesn't work like that. There must be separation of powers. The justice system can try the occupant when he/she is removed from the office. Mr Saraki will not remain senate president forever as we are not a banana republic.
Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by oluspencer(m): 1:37pm On Oct 05, 2015
@Tonybarcanista is begining to be realistic and patriotic.
Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by sparkleboy(m): 6:28pm On Oct 05, 2015
Kk
Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by October1960: 6:28pm On Oct 05, 2015
In advanced countries the leadership does not have immunity, in fact they are the most accountable and can be charged for any offence while in office. Nigerians have to insist on this for ANY position even President of Nigeria.

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Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by eDoctorr(m): 6:29pm On Oct 05, 2015
This guy called Toyenbarcanister is too full of himself... U put this nonsense in front page when meaningful things are in various section.
Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by tommykiwi(m): 6:31pm On Oct 05, 2015
Pucaxo:
For once, i support barcanista on this.
Saraki MUST be tried and if found guilty, he will be made to face the full wrath of the law.



This Saraki guy is just too dubious for my liking. undecided
Wailers alway wailing since 1900....Saraki my man.
Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by Nobody: 6:33pm On Oct 05, 2015
dialfa:
It is a good proposition to protect our institutions
Saraki can be tried if you guys refuse to vote him in 2019
Meanwhile, it is a national disgrace to drag our Senate President around to court and order his arrest and all those nonsense
The sanctity of the senate must be protected, if someone commits a crime, don't wait till he becomes a President or Governor to prosecute him
Respect ourselves

THIS MUST BE AN IGBO MAN. THEY WORSHIP MONEY AND POWER A LOT.

Guatemalan president and his vice immunity was stripped and both arrested for corruption charges. New election is to take place immediately.

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Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by ndcide(m): 6:35pm On Oct 05, 2015
For me I want immunity of the executive removed. I see no reason why the executive should have immunity and other arms of government don't have same.

Can I know the why?

If I were the Senate President today. I'll seek for immunity for the legislative leadership or total removal.

Let no one get it twisted.
Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by Nobody: 6:35pm On Oct 05, 2015
Why is this guy like this? What do you gain from speaking from two sides of the mouth?
Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by godoluwa(m): 6:36pm On Oct 05, 2015
chukwudi44:


So if we see any anomaly in the US constitution,we just import it into our constitution? Na waaooo for youooo
oga, our lawmakers are thieves. NO IMMUNITY 4 ANYONE OF THEM

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Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by damiloladuke: 6:39pm On Oct 05, 2015
if they need immunity , let them drink more of ASTYMIN




YOU NEED AN ADMIN 4UR BLOG? CHECK MY SIGNATURE
Re: Proposed Immunity For Senate President, Speaker Etal: Dead On Arrival (DOA) by bloodkiIler: 6:40pm On Oct 05, 2015
PassingShot:
This double faced OP again!

I remember you drummed support for Saraki to be senate president despite his known antecedents just to spite APC. People like you shouldn't be taken seriously for your double stand on national issues.

The reason you are aginst Saraki now is the faint hope that a PDP senator might clinch the presidency should Saraki be removed. For you and your likes, it's not for the love of the nation but for your stomach.

Thanks for the preaching anyway. We already know Saraki and his colleagues are joking with the immunity idea. It won't fly.

pained bastard grin

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