Nairaland111:

If Angels can pray 4 we nd also com 2 our rescue why nt d mother of God who a great promise was made b4 her ?

Anywhere in the bible angels where praying for u? Educate me.
Glory be to God, angels often come to our rescue. But usually it is in response to prayer made to God, not to them, as we see in the case of Daniel.
*[[Dan 10:12]] Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

Note the ' BEFORE GOD'

accountable:


Presence my brother, is different from awareness.

*[[Mat 18:10]] Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Do note the IN HEAVEN. The angels beheld the face of the father in heaven IN HEAVEN. IN HEAVEN, would not have been necessary if they where beholding from the earth. Please read it again.

i see the english is confusing u.
Matthew 18:10
New International Version (NIV)

“See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven
always see the face of my Father in heaven.

Berean Study Bible

See that you do not look
down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.

Berean Literal Bible

See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I say to you that their angels in the heavens continually behold the face my of Father, who is in the heavens.

New American Standard
Bible

"See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven.


So as u can sed the angels of those kid continually see d face of God always!

I also took d liberty of giving u a commentary on it so u can see d historic understanding of d passage.

This
doctrine (which, as of very
solemn import, the Lord
introduces with his usual
formula, I say unto you), that
each soul has assigned to it
by God a special angel is
grounded on this, and
supported by many other
passages of Scripture (comp.
Hebrews 1:14; Psalm 34:7;
Psalm 91:11; Luke 15:7, 10).
It has been questioned how
angels can be said to
succour us on earth, while
in heaven they are always
looking on the face of the
Father. The difficulty has
been answered, among
others, by St. Gregory, who
writes, "They never so go
forth apart from the vision
of God, as to be deprived of
the joys of interior
contemplation. They are
both sent from him, and
stand by him too, since both
in that they are
circumscribed, they go forth,
and in this that they are also
entirely present, they never
go away. Thus they at the
same time always behold
the Father's face, and yet
come to us; because they
both go forth to us in a
spiritual presence, and yet
keep themselves there,
whence they had gone out,
by virtue of interior
contemplation" ('Moral.,'
2:3).

Chapter 2
Titled: OBJECT

Before u start up a firm u must hv two tins in ur mind which are: ur plan nd ur finance. Ur plan include ur objective nd d object which are d principle tins needed, so b4 dey started d legion, dey came wit d idea which is dia objective which is winning soul 4 Christ nd doing good works 4 God nd d object of d Legion is d glory of God through d Holiness of its members nd dis holiness can b develop by prayer nd Active work wit ur fellow legionary which is d aim of crushing d head of d serpent. Any additional object can nt b added by a individual bt by a body of legionaries in higher council which is d CONCILIUM. Any thing outside d handbook of d Legion is @ d disposal of d bishop of d diocese nd d parish priest who is d spiritual director of d Legion in dia parish . Legion ll never do anything without d approval of d parish priest

Ubenedictus:

i see the english is confusing u.
Matthew 18:10
New International Version (NIV)

“See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven
always see the face of my Father in heaven.

Berean Study Bible

See that you do not look
down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.

Berean Literal Bible

See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I say to you that their angels in the heavens continually behold the face my of Father, who is in the heavens.

New American Standard
Bible

"See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven.


So as u can sed the angels of those kid continually see d face of God always!

I also took d liberty of giving u a commentary on it so u can see d historic understanding of d passage.

This
doctrine (which, as of very
solemn import, the Lord
introduces with his usual
formula, I say unto you), that
each soul has assigned to it
by God a special angel is
grounded on this, and
supported by many other
passages of Scripture (comp.
Hebrews 1:14; Psalm 34:7;
Psalm 91:11; Luke 15:7, 10).
It has been questioned how
angels can be said to
succour us on earth, while
in heaven they are always
looking on the face of the
Father. The difficulty has
been answered, among
others, by St. Gregory, who
writes, "They never so go
forth apart from the vision
of God, as to be deprived of
the joys of interior
contemplation. They are
both sent from him, and
stand by him too, since both
in that they are
circumscribed, they go forth,
and in this that they are also
entirely present, they never
go away. Thus they at the
same time always behold
the Father's face, and yet
come to us; because they
both go forth to us in a
spiritual presence, and yet
keep themselves there,
whence they had gone out,
by virtue of interior
contemplation" ('Moral.,'
2:3).

Tank u very much

Chapter 3
Titled: SPIRIT OF THE LEGION

2mrw

Ubenedictus:

i see the english is confusing u.
Matthew 18:10
New International Version (NIV)

“See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven
always see the face of my Father in heaven.

Berean Study Bible

See that you do not look
down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.

Berean Literal Bible

See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I say to you that their angels in the heavens continually behold the face my of Father, who is in the heavens.

New American Standard
Bible

"See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven.


So as u can sed the angels of those kid continually see d face of God always!

I also took d liberty of giving u a commentary on it so u can see d historic understanding of d passage.

This
doctrine (which, as of very
solemn import, the Lord
introduces with his usual
formula, I say unto you), that
each soul has assigned to it
by God a special angel is
grounded on this, and
supported by many other
passages of Scripture (comp.
Hebrews 1:14; Psalm 34:7;
Psalm 91:11; Luke 15:7, 10).
It has been questioned how
angels can be said to
succour us on earth, while
in heaven they are always
looking on the face of the
Father. The difficulty has
been answered, among
others, by St. Gregory, who
writes, "They never so go
forth apart from the vision
of God, as to be deprived of
the joys of interior
contemplation. They are
both sent from him, and
stand by him too, since both
in that they are
circumscribed, they go forth,
and in this that they are also
entirely present, they never
go away. Thus they at the
same time always behold
the Father's face, and yet
come to us; because they
both go forth to us in a
spiritual presence, and yet
keep themselves there,
whence they had gone out,
by virtue of interior
contemplation" ('Moral.,'
2:3).

The commentary sheds light indeed and perfectly explains why they are not omnipresent.
: present in all places at all times( merriamwebster)
It explains that they are present with God continually through 'inward contemplation'. That's not omnipresence neither are they sharing at all in it.
I guess that the edifying aim of the commentary is to encourage us to inward contemplation so as to continually possess a sense of God's presence, that doesn't make us omnipresent.
When angels are in heaven they are in heaven, when in earth they are in earth. They cannot physically be in both places at same time.

Ubenedictus:

i see the english is confusing u.
Matthew 18:10
New International Version (NIV)

“See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven
always see the face of my Father in heaven.

Berean Study Bible

See that you do not look
down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.

Berean Literal Bible

See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I say to you that their angels in the heavens continually behold the face my of Father, who is in the heavens.

New American Standard
Bible

"See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven.


So as u can sed the angels of those kid continually see d face of God always!

I also took d liberty of giving u a commentary on it so u can see d historic understanding of d passage.

This
doctrine (which, as of very
solemn import, the Lord
introduces with his usual
formula, I say unto you), that
each soul has assigned to it
by God a special angel is
grounded on this, and
supported by many other
passages of Scripture (comp.
Hebrews 1:14; Psalm 34:7;
Psalm 91:11; Luke 15:7, 10).
It has been questioned how
angels can be said to
succour us on earth, while
in heaven they are always
looking on the face of the
Father. The difficulty has
been answered, among
others, by St. Gregory, who
writes, "They never so go
forth apart from the vision
of God, as to be deprived of
the joys of interior
contemplation. They are
both sent from him, and
stand by him too, since both
in that they are
circumscribed, they go forth,
and in this that they are also
entirely present, they never
go away. Thus they at the
same time always behold
the Father's face, and yet
come to us; because they
both go forth to us in a
spiritual presence, and yet
keep themselves there,
whence they had gone out,
by virtue of interior
contemplation" ('Moral.,'
2:3).

There is no need to quote so many versions, they are all saying the same same thing. The commentary has explains the the angels go back and forth, but are present with God continually through inward contemplation.

Jusmudi:

Tank u very much

U're welcome

accountable:

U're welcome

Ar u a legionary?

Jusmudi:

Ar u a legionary?

Was.

accountable:

The commentary sheds light indeed and perfectly explains why they are not omnipresent.
: present in all places at all times( merriamwebster)
It explains that they are present with God continually through 'inward contemplation'. That's not omnipresence neither are they sharing at all in it.
I guess that the edifying aim of the commentary is to encourage us to inward contemplation so as to continually possess a sense of God's presence, that doesn't make us omnipresent.
When angels are in heaven they are in heaven, when in earth they are in earth. They cannot physically be in both places at same time.

angels are not physical being, unless they take a physical appearance, they are spiritual entities, that is why d angel both sees God continually, guide d kind and still rejoice for each sinner dat repent, contemplation put d angel in d presence of God, his awareness is a totally different matter, it is a gift of his nature, sum1 i blive i'll relieve afta dis life.

Ubenedictus:
angels are not physical being, unless they take a physical appearance, they are spiritual entities, that is why d angel both sees God continually, guide d kind and still rejoice for each sinner dat repent, contemplation put d angel in d presence of God, his awareness is a totally different matter, it is a gift of his nature, sum1 i blive i'll relieve afta dis life.

I hope our discussion will help both of us and everyone on the forum.
Please can u back this up with scripture so we can reason together. Or are u a specialist angeologist?
Anyways.....
U have not solved the riddle one bit. How can mary , Michael etc be in all the catholic churches, monasteries and countless other places and also in heaven at the same time? I want to assume that we have both agreed that they are not divine neither do they possess the divine attributes because........
An angel was arrested for 21 days in Daniel chapter 10.

Ubenedictus:
angels are not physical being, unless they take a physical appearance, they are spiritual entities, that is why d angel both sees God continually, guide d kind and still rejoice for each sinner dat repent, contemplation put d angel in d presence of God, his awareness is a totally different matter, it is a gift of his nature, sum1 i blive i'll relieve afta dis life.

I will give u my take, just want to hear us side first.

People tend not to understand that the laws that bind physical beings aren't the same laws that bind spiritual beings, angels are spirits they transcend space and time.

Question for though
How does the devil tempt each individual person if it is bound by physical laws, don't forget it's a fallen angel.

Nairaland111:

Which chapter do u lik in our handbook

I have not finished the handbook

Aizenosa:
People tend not to understand that the laws that bind physical beings aren't the same laws that bind spiritual beings, angels are spirits they transcend space and time.

Question for though
How does the devil tempt each individual person if it is bound by physical laws, don't forget it's a fallen angel.

Satan the prince of darkness does not tempt each individual. He makes apparitions only on very special occasions eg in the case of Jesus in matt 4. However he has countless demons that go about to carry out his assignments. A single human being can have several hundreds of demons assigned to him alone at a single time:

*[[Mar 5:8-12/ For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. 9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many. 10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country. 11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding. 12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
Meaning of legion:
1 : the principal unit of the Roman army comprising 3000 to 6000 foot soldiers with cavalry
A single individual can have that many demons inside him!

Spirit entities can travel from place to place at incredible speed. But they cannot be in two different places at the same time. That is omnipresence.

accountable:
Spirit entities can travel from place to place at incredible speed. But they cannot be in two different places at the same time. That is omnipresence.

But yet a human had been gifted that opportunity by the Holy Spirit so hw was it possible don't believe read about Padre pio.

accountable:

I hope our discussion will help both of us and everyone on the forum.
Please can u back this up with scripture so we can reason together. Or are u a specialist angeologist?
Anyways.....
U have not solved the riddle one bit. How can mary , Michael etc be in all the catholic churches, monasteries and countless other places and also in heaven at the same time? I want to assume that we have both agreed that they are not divine neither do they possess the divine attributes because........

heb 12:1, 12:22-25 show me an interesting picture, it say i am on mount zion, every time we lift ourselves in prayer we enter zion, there we have d multitude of angels and saints! The angels are always there and i have access there. The angel and saints are in every prayer meeting, church and prayer place becaue each time we pray we spiritually open d door to mount zion and that reality is present to anyone who really prays.
I wanted to share sumtin on dis today bt time isnt my friend.

An angel was arrested for 21 days in Daniel chapter 10.

i'll advice u to be careful how much u read into a prophetic book.

accountable:


None of these things u are insinuation is obvious in these texts.
Heb12:1 said they are WITNESSES. Nothing is said about prayer.
prayer is strictly communication between a child of God and his heavenly father.( matt 6:8-13)
that being what it is, I do not see how the dead saint and angels come in at all. That is why the bible does not mention them with respect to prayer.that is why prayer is not mentioned in all the passages we have seen so far regarding saints.

*[[Psa 65:1-2/KJV]]* To the chief Musician, A Psalm and Song of David. Praise waiteth for thee, O God, in Sion: and unto thee shall the vow be performed. O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come.

Note the last sentence. God is designated here as the one that hears prayer. The glorified saints wouldn't be eavesdropping.

You're the one who said they'd have the kind of spiritual body Christ and the Angels have. Those bodies can hear prayers and move between heaven and earth.

It's also you who said the saints are aware of events on earth. Prayers are events. No?

Or do you want to deny what you said?

accountable:
Spirit entities can travel from place to place at incredible speed. But they cannot be in two different places at the same time. That is omnipresence.

Show us where the Bible says the bold.

accountable:


The commentary sheds light indeed and perfectly explains why they are not omnipresent.
: present in all places at all times( merriamwebster)
It explains that they are present with God continually through 'inward contemplation'. That's not omnipresence neither are they sharing at all in it.
I guess that the edifying aim of the commentary is to encourage us to inward contemplation so as to continually possess a sense of God's presence, that doesn't make us omnipresent.
When angels are in heaven they are in heaven, when in earth they are in earth. They cannot physically be in both places at same time.

“Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!” (Psalm 103:20-21)

Would the Angels hear the psalmist from heaven...or were all the Angels around the psalmist at that time?

accountable:


*[[Dan 10:11-14 And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling. 12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words. 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. 14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.

You still haven't shown me which verse said it was an angel that was speaking. V11, v12, v13 or v14?

accountable:


No they do not share in God's omnipresence or omnipotence because they cannot. It is too big for them to contain.
A prophet never shares in God's omniscience:

*[[1Co 13:9]] For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
You see? A prophet only prophesies IN PART; He can only know as much as is revealed to him. He cannot contain omniscience because it is too big for him.

Now I see why you left the Legion. You pretend to know things that you're ignorant of.

1. Where did the bible say the bold?

2. 2Pet1:4
By whom he hath given us most great and precious promises: that by these you may be made partakers of the divine nature: flying the corruption of that concupiscence which is in the world.

Eph3:17 and that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith, as you are being rooted and grounded in love. 18 I pray that you may have the power to comprehend, with all the saints, what is the breadth and length and height and depth, 19 and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, so that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

Galatians 2:20: “It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me.”

The Bible says God is in us, with the fullness of his divine nature, yet you ignorantly claim God left his omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence behind before he entered us.

italo:

You still haven't shown me which verse said it was an angel that was speaking. V11, v12, v13 or v14?

Sorry, I did not border to show you cos I though that the passage was clear.
This spirit entity was sent in answer to Daniel's prayers. He was arrested for 21 days by the prince of Persia until archangel michael came to his rescue.
So, a spirit entity who is a messenger of God, sent from heaven and is less in power than archangel michael=

accountable:

Sorry, I did not border to show you cos I though that the passage was clear.
This spirit entity was sent in answer to Daniel's prayers. He was arrested for 21 days by the prince of Persia until archangel michael came to his rescue.
So, a spirit entity who is a messenger of God, sent from heaven and is less in power than archangel michael=

Stop making up stories.

If you want to stick to the Bible, stick to it.

It could be anything. Bible never said angel...and that Michael rescued him/it doesn't mean Michael is more powerful. angels can rescue even Jesus.

Now please answer my last four posts...

Or admit that you erred.

Thanks.

accountable:

Was.

Wat hapd

Aizenosa:


I have not finished the handbook

Were in d handbook dt is difficult 4 u

italo:


Stop making up stories.

If you want to stick to the Bible, stick to it.

It could be anything. Bible never said angel...and that Michael rescued him/it doesn't mean Michael is more powerful. angels can rescue even Jesus.

Now please answer my last four posts...

Or admit that you erred.

Thanks.

so sorry, i've had an extremely busy day.only 'stole' some time off work to reply when i did.
now to ur post......
its either u are been insincere or u have some difficullty recognising truth. the text is so clear.

an angel could have rescued Jesus? from whom? i feel guilty; hope i'm not pushing u to blasphemy.
Matt 28:18

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
matt 28:18. jesu cannot be arrested let alone need to be resued. he is omnipotent.

that said.........

accountable:

so sorry, i've had an extremely busy day.only 'stole' some time off work to reply when i did.
now to ur post......
its either u are been insincere or u have some difficullty recognising truth. the text is so clear.

an angel could have rescued Jesus? from whom? i feel guilty; hope i'm not pushing u to blasphemy.
Matt 28:18

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
matt 28:18. jesu cannot be arrested let alone need to be resued. he is omnipotent.

that said.........

Bros u are quoting sam verse since 1992

accountable:

so sorry, i've had an extremely busy day.only 'stole' some time off work to reply when i did.
now to ur post......
its either u are been insincere or u have some difficullty recognising truth. the text is so clear.

an angel could have rescued Jesus? from whom? i feel guilty; hope i'm not pushing u to blasphemy.
Matt 28:18

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
matt 28:18. jesu cannot be arrested let alone need to be resued. he is omnipotent.

that said.........

The text never said "Angel." You inserted that.

Jesus was arrested and crucified.

Luke22:43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him

italo:


The text never said "Angel." You inserted that.

Jesus was arrested and crucified.

Luke22:43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him

i will respond, by God's grace, to all ur posts now; im freeer now.
the verse you quoted are true but this is why:
Heb 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

dont forget who Jesus is

John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus is God

he was made lower than the angels when he was made flesh and dwelt among us.
i must confess that you have concentrated so long on that which cannot save that you have lost sight of the glory of ur lord.

Phil 2:5-10
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

as at the days of daniel, Jesus was not yet made flesh, he was in the form of god [heb 2;6]

Jusmudi:

Bros u are quoting sam verse since 1992

no, i have not been in nairaland for up to a month yet. moreover, i have not quoted this verse yet on this thread.