italo:

You still haven't shown me which verse said it was an angel that was speaking. V11, v12, v13 or v14?




Now I see why you left the Legion. You pretend to know things that you're ignorant of.

1. Where did the bible say the bold?

2. 2Pet1:4
By whom he hath given us most great and precious promises: that by these you may be made [b]partakers of the divine nature: flying the corruption of that concupiscence which is in the world.

Eph3:17 and that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith, as you are being rooted and grounded in love. 18 I pray that you may have the power to comprehend, with all the saints, what is the breadth and length and height and depth, 19 and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, so that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

Galatians 2:20: “It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me.”

The Bible says God is in us, with the fullness of his divine nature, yet you ignorantly claim God left his omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence behind before he entered us.

the bible teaches that God dwells in us, and in all his fullness. what a wonder and what a mighty God. indwelling each and every believer at the same time and yet retains all his fullness. That is my God! able to manifest the fullness of his power through each believer and at all time!
but God indwelling us does not make us God. it does not make us omnipotent, omniscient or omnipotent. or are you omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent?

Jusmudi:

Wat hapd

ask italo

accountable:

ask italo

Na Italo problem u Dey look 4 ooooooooo

Ver. 13. The prince, &c. That is, the angel guardian of Persia: who, according to his office, seeking the spiritual good of the Persians, was desirous that many of the Jews should remain among them. (Challoner) --- St. Jerome, &c. explain it of the angel guardian. (Worthington) --- Each country has an archangel over it, as individuals have an angel. Others assert that this was an evil angel; for how could a good one oppose so long the will of God? Yet this argument may be retorted, as evil spirits themselves must comply. It seems, therefore, that Cyrus was exhorted by the good angels to invade the Chaldeans, and thus to liberate God's people. He was afraid of the hazardous attempt, and free-will may resist the inspirations of God. --- One, or "prince." (Calmet) --- Michael, and the guardian of Daniel, joined their prayers for the liberation of the Jews, ver. 20. (Worthington) Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary, 1859 edition.

although this catholic commentary above read so much into the text, it still identified the entity as the guardian of Daniel.
i only put it here so that we can leave the issue of whether he is an angel or not

@italo

Verse 13. "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me for twenty-one days." In my opinion this was the angel to whose charge Persia was committed, in accordance with what we read in Deuteronomy: "When the Most High divided the nations and distributed the children of Adam abroad, then He established the bounds of the nations according to the number of the angels of God" (Deut. 32:. [See note at VII: 2, Migne p. 528.] These are the princes of whom Paul also says: "We speak forth among the perfect a wisdom which none of the princes of this world knew. For if they had known it, they would never have crucified the Lord of Glory" (I Cor. 2:6). And so the prince or angel of the Persians offered resistance, acting on behalf of the province entrusted to him, in order that (p. 556) the entire captive nation might not be released. And it may well be that although the prophet was graciously heard by God from the day when he set his heart to understand, the angel was nevertheless not sent to proclaim to him God's gracious decision, for the reason that the prince of Persia opposed him for twenty-one days, enumerating the sins of the Jewish people as a ground for their justly being kept in captivity and as proof that they ought not to be released.( jerome's commentary on the book of Daniel)

the bible make it very clear that only God is omnipresent, mary cannot be omnipresent, she cannot possess billions of idol all over the world at the same time, what you people are doing is wrong, mary die and went to heaven and a death person has nothing to do with you, God said we should not consult the death

Jusmudi:

My broda hv u seen juju b4? Plz dn't go closer because dere is evil spirit in dt place, Smtimes wen u bring out spoon 4rm ur houz nd drop it outside den keep pouring wine nd giv it a name, evil spirit must enta. Going back 2 ur question, d alter has been dedicated 2 her nd she must com 2 d meeting. Remember d prayer u ll say b4 u start properly especially COM HOLY SPIRIT inviting d holy SPIRIT 2 com join dem, so 2ru d invitation, Mary is always dere

Chapter 3
Titled: SPIRIT OF THE LEGION
Wen we talk of spirit, we often tink of dead being, nd we 4get to understand dt we hv spirit nd God himself is a supreme spirit. Every tin as is own spirit dt is y dey say god of soccer because dey Bliv dere is a god(spirit) of soccer bt Nw we ar talking abt d spirit OF d legion. D spirit OF d legion is dt of Mary her self because it is formed under her umbrella. D spirit OF legion which we dcided 2 take 4rm our patron are :humility, her perfect obedience, her angelical sweetness, her continual prayer, her heroic patience, her heavenly wisdom, her self sacrificing courageous love of God, nd above all her faith dese are d tins our mother has done nd want all 2 4low Xam way even if it is nt easy. it is Nw our duty as legionaries 2 4low d footstep of our mother even if it is hard. U must ask urself wat kind of spirit do u possess? Spirit OF wickedness, or evil. As 4 d legion are own spirit are 4lowin d footstep of our mother. Ave!!!

Chapter 4
Title: LEGIONARY SERVICE
Sub title: article 1
Must " put on the whole armour of God"
Tomorrow

accountable:


i will respond, by God's grace, to all ur posts now; im freeer now.
the verse you quoted are true but this is why:
Heb 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

dont forget who Jesus is

John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus is God

he was made lower than the angels when he was made flesh and dwelt among us.
i must confess that you have concentrated so long on that which cannot save that you have lost sight of the glory of ur lord.

Phil 2:5-10
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

as at the days of daniel, Jesus was not yet made flesh, he was in the form of god [heb 2;6]

Please read and digest these verses:

Jer 1:9 Then the Lord put out his hand and touched my mouth; and the Lord said to me,

Gen 32:24 Jacob was left alone; and a man wrestled with him until daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he did not prevail against Jacob, he struck him on the hip socket; and Jacob’s hip was put out of joint as he wrestled with him. 26 Then he said, “Let me go, for the day is breaking.” But Jacob said, “I will not let you go, unless you bless me.” 27 So he said to him, “What is your name?” And he said, “Jacob.” 28 Then the man said, “You shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel, for you have striven with God and with humans, and have prevailed.”

Compare the next two passages (paying attention to the bold):

Dan 10:6 His body was like beryl, his face like lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and the sound of his words like the roar of a multitude. 7 I, Daniel, alone saw the vision; the people who were with me did not see the vision, though a great trembling fell upon them, and they fled and hid themselves. 8 So I was left alone to see this great vision. My strength left me, and my complexion grew deathly pale, and I retained no strength. 9 Then I heard the sound of his words; and when I heard the sound of his words, I fell into a trance, face to the ground.
10 But then a hand touched me and roused me to my hands and knees. 11 He said to me, “Daniel, greatly beloved, pay attention to the words that I am going to speak to you. Stand on your feet, for I have now been sent to you.” So while he was speaking this word to me, I stood up trembling. 12 He said to me, “Do not fear, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words have been heard, and I have come because of your words.

Rev1:13 and in the midst of the lampstands I saw one like the Son of Man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash across his chest. 14 His head and his hair were white as white wool, white as snow; his eyes were like a flame of fire, 15 his feet were like burnished bronze, refined as in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of many waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and from his mouth came a sharp, two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining with full force.
17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he placed his right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last,

Now please answer these:

1. You say it couldn't have been Jesus that was held down in Persia because Jesus had not come in the flesh. Who then was held down by Jacob? Jesus or an Angel?

2. Who touched Jeremiah's lips? Jesus or an Angel?

3. You say at the time of Daniel, Jesus hadn't come in flesh. Are you aware that Daniel was being told about future events?

3. After reading Daniel 10 and Rev 1, do you still insist that it wasn't Jesus but an Angel that spoke in Daniel 10?

accountable:


the bible teaches that God dwells in us, and in all his fullness. what a wonder and what a mighty God. indwelling each and every believer at the same time and yet retains all his fullness. That is my God! able to manifest the fullness of his power through each believer and at all time!

I told you that we share in God's omnipresence, omnipotence and omniscience.

You refused. You said God's omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence cannot dwell in us because it's too big for us.

Then I showed you from the Bible that we share in God himself, in all his fullness. In fact, we don't just share, he actually dwells in us.

Suddenly you remembered that your God dwells in us.

Now does God's omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence dwell with God in us...or does God leave it out before coming to dwell in us?

In other words, are we partakers of God (without his '3 omnis' or are we partakers of God (without his '3 omnis)?

accountable:

but God indwelling us does not make us God. it does not make us omnipotent, omniscient or omnipotent. or are you omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent?

This is just a dubious distraction...because I never claimed the bold. Face your inconsistent errors and stop manufacturing claims for me which I never made.

mauriceju2:
the bible make it very clear that only God is omnipresent, mary cannot be omnipresent, she cannot possess billions of idol all over the world at the same time, what you people are doing is wrong, mary die and went to heaven and a death person has nothing to do with you, God said we should not consult the death

When your pastor claims to see/know things that ordinary people cannot see or no...

Is he omniscient or is he sharing in God's omniscience?

accountable:
Ver. 13. The prince, &c. That is, the angel guardian of Persia: who, according to his office, seeking the spiritual good of the Persians, was desirous that many of the Jews should remain among them. (Challoner) --- St. Jerome, &c. explain it of the angel guardian. (Worthington) --- Each country has an archangel over it, as individuals have an angel. Others assert that this was an evil angel; for how could a good one oppose so long the will of God? Yet this argument may be retorted, as evil spirits themselves must comply. It seems, therefore, that Cyrus was exhorted by the good angels to invade the Chaldeans, and thus to liberate God's people. He was afraid of the hazardous attempt, and free-will may resist the inspirations of God. --- One, or "prince." (Calmet) --- Michael, and the guardian of Daniel, joined their prayers for the liberation of the Jews, ver. 20. (Worthington) Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary, 1859 edition.

although this catholic commentary above read so much into the text, it still identified the entity as the guardian of Daniel.
i only put it here so that we can leave the issue of whether he is an angel or not

I don't see anywhere where the text said the entity who spoke to Daniel was his guardian...or an angel. Please put it in bold.

accountable:
@italo

Verse 13. "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me for twenty-one days." In my opinion this was the angel to whose charge Persia was committed, in accordance with what we read in Deuteronomy: "When the Most High divided the nations and distributed the children of Adam abroad, then He established the bounds of the nations according to the number of the angels of God" (Deut. 32:. [See note at VII: 2, Migne p. 528.] These are the princes of whom Paul also says: "We speak forth among the perfect a wisdom which none of the princes of this world knew. For if they had known it, they would never have crucified the Lord of Glory" (I Cor. 2:6). And so the prince or angel of the Persians offered resistance, acting on behalf of the province entrusted to him, in order that (p. 556) the entire captive nation might not be released. And it may well be that although the prophet was graciously heard by God from the day when he set his heart to understand, the angel was nevertheless not sent to proclaim to him God's gracious decision, for the reason that the prince of Persia opposed him for twenty-one days, enumerating the sins of the Jewish people as a ground for their justly being kept in captivity and as proof that they ought not to be released.( jerome's commentary on the book of Daniel)

1. I don't find it clear that Jerome said that it was an Angel speaking.

2. I notice you have started using Catholic commentaries (not the bible) to prove your point. Are you implying that Catholic commentaries are infallible? If they are, can I also use the to prove how Mary is present everywhere? Or is the luxury yours alone?

Accountable,

You have still not answered my queries in the pics.

accountable:
Spirit entities can travel from place to place at incredible speed. But they cannot be in two different places at the same time. That is omnipresence.

ominipresence is in fact not the ability to be in two places(or a number of places) at the same time but the ability to be in all places at the same time.

Ichiato:
ominipresence is in fact not the ability to be in two places(or a number of places) at the same time but the ability to be in all places at the same time.

since omnipresent is everywhere, u ll also agree wit me dt heaven is everywhere nd dose in heaven are everywhere since heaven is everywhere

Jusmudi:

since omnipresent is everywhere, u ll also agree wit me dt heaven is everywhere nd dose in heaven are everywhere since heaven is everywhere

And since God is everywhere, Christians who have God in them are everywhere...especially the Saints who have God in them even more fully.

italo:


And since God is everywhere, Christians who have God in them are everywhere...especially the Saints who have God in them even more fully.

Theologian

Chapter 4
Art 1 titled: must "put on the whole armour of God
D legion took is name 4rm Roman legion, nd d Army Blivs in Loyalty, courage, discipline, endurance, nd success nd dis dey did wit dia heart. As a legionary, loyalty shld share ur bed wit u, discipline shld never depart 4rm u, endurance shld b ur adviser because d work is nt easy nd success is ur target nd mak sure u can achieve it. Wen u show dese sign people will want 2 4low ur footstep nd learn 4rm u nd by so doing u are converting souls 4 christ. Finally st clement who who was converted by St paul nd was a fellow worker of st Paul.
I got 4rm dis page dt St clement was converted by St Peter, imagine d person dey converted bcame a saint nd st Peter who converted st clement also bcame a saint nd St Paul a fellow worker also became a saint, as a legionary we pray so dt we can b saint nd also dos we converted bcoms a saint nd our fellow legionaries bcoms a saint

Jusmudi:

since omnipresent is everywhere, u ll also agree wit me dt heaven is everywhere nd dose in heaven are everywhere since heaven is everywhere

are you saying heaven is ominipresent?

italo:


And since God is everywhere, Christians who have God in them are everywhere...especially the Saints who have God in them even more fully.

are you saying Christians who have God in them are ominipresent?

Ichiato:
are you saying Christians who have God in them are ominipresent?

The Bible and I are saying 'Christians who (have God dwelling fully in them - Eph 3:17,19) are '(sharing/partaking in God's omnipresence, omniscience and omnipotence --2Pet1:4)'

That is why when I kneel and pray in St. Dominic, Yaba, the Holy Spirit says:

Heb12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem...

Ichiato:
are you saying heaven is ominipresent?

Read d comment above

@italo
You are so carried away by your desire to win an argument!
I can see that is all u are after to be right even when u are wrong
[b][/b]

[quote author=accountable post=40129942]@italo

Verse 13. "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me for twenty-one days." In my opinion this was the angel to whose charge Persia was committed, in accordance with what we read in Deuteronomy: "When the Most High divided the nations and distributed the children of Adam abroad, then He established the bounds of the nations according to the number of the angels of God" (Deut. 32:. [See note at VII: 2, Migne p. 528.] These are the princes of whom Paul also says: "We speak forth among the perfect a wisdom which none of the princes of this world knew. For if they had known it, they would never have crucified the Lord of Glory" (I Cor. 2:6). And so the prince or angel of the Persians offered resistance, acting on behalf of the province entrusted to him, in order that (p. 556) the entire captive nation might not be released. And it may well be that although the prophet was graciously heard by God from the day when he set his heart to understand,(((((((( the angel was nevertheless not sent to proclaim to him God's gracious decision, for the reason that the prince of Persia opposed him for twenty-one days, ))))))))enumerating the sins of the Jewish people as a ground for their justly being kept in captivity and as proof that they ought not to be released.( jerome's commentary on the book of Daniel

I have in closed the requested portion of the commentary in brackets.

Ver. 13. The prince, &c. That is, the angel guardian of Persia: who, according to his office, seeking the spiritual good of the Persians, was desirous that many of the Jews should remain among them. (Challoner) --- St. Jerome, &c. explain it of the angel guardian. (Worthington) --- Each country has an archangel over it, as individuals have an angel. Others assert that this was an evil angel; for how could a good one oppose so long the will of God? Yet this argument may be retorted, as evil spirits themselves must comply. It seems, therefore, that Cyrus was exhorted by the good angels to invade the Chaldeans, and thus to liberate God's people. He was afraid of the hazardous attempt, and free-will may resist the inspirations of God. --- One, or "prince." (Calmet) ---(((((((({ Michael, and the guardian of Daniel,)))))))))) joined their prayers for the liberation of the Jews, ver. 20. (Worthington) Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary, 1859 edition.

although this catholic commentary above read so much into the text, it still identified the entity as the guardian of Daniel.
i only put it here so that we can leave the issue of whether he is an angel or not

accountable:
@italo
You are so carried away by your desire to win an argument!
I can see that is all u are after to be right even when u are wrong
[b][/b]

Wrong about what?

Ver. 13. The prince, &c. That is, the angel guardian of Persia: who, according to his office, seeking the spiritual good of the Persians, was desirous that many of the Jews should remain among them. (Challoner) --- St. Jerome, &c. explain it of the angel guardian. (Worthington) --- Each country has an archangel over it, as individuals have an angel. Others assert that this was an evil angel; for how could a good one oppose so long the will of God? Yet this argument may be retorted, as evil spirits themselves must comply. It seems, therefore, that Cyrus was exhorted by the good angels to invade the Chaldeans, and thus to liberate God's people. He was afraid of the hazardous attempt, and free-will may resist the inspirations of God. --- One, or "prince." (CalmetMicha************* Michael, and the guardian of Daniel*************** joined their prayers for the liberation of the Jews, ver. 20. (Worthington) Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary, 1859 edition.

although this catholic commentary above read so much into the text, it still identified the entity as the guardian of Daniel.
i only put it here so that we can leave the issue of whether he is an angel or not

@italo
Please find the requested portion in closed with asterisk

Ichiato:
ominipresence is in fact not the ability to be in two places(or a number of places) at the same time but the ability to be in all places at the same time.

You are right brother. I meant the two places for spirit entities. Sorry for the poor construction and lack of clarity

italo:


1. I don't find it clear that Jerome said that it was an Angel speaking.

2. I notice you have started using Catholic commentaries (not the bible) to prove your point. Are you implying that Catholic commentaries are infallible? If they are, can I also use the to prove how Mary is present everywhere? Or is the luxury yours alone?

I only visited the catholic commentary page because I was so sure that even they would identify the entity as such; sincerely even the worst of commentaries would actually. I have never used any . moreover I was sure u would argue against 'your own' even if they are wrong. Lo and behold, you played the only card left to you, pretended not to see.

italo:


1. I don't find it clear that Jerome said that it was an Angel speaking.

2. I notice you have started using Catholic commentaries (not the bible) to prove your point. Are you implying that Catholic commentaries are infallible? If they are, can I also use the to prove how Mary is present everywhere? Or is the luxury yours alone?

I only visited the catholic commentary page because I was so sure that even they would identify the entity as such; sincerely even the worst of commentaries would actually. I have never used any Catholic commentary Catholic commentary . moreover I was sure u would not argue against 'your own' even if they are wrong. Lo and behold, you played the only card left to you, pretended not to see.

I am finding your lack of sincerity and mutilation of scripture very appalling.