raumdeuter:


How many years did Ferguson spend coaching?

See shift. You asked a question and i answered. So why this question?

I`ve told you the years it took him him win UCL is immaterial. Since the inception of Champions league both old and new only Ancelotti have won it more than SAF. We`ll have to wait for others to surpass that before being counted to be superior to him in Europe.

olabode89:



Hahaha.....paadi Messi will struggle in Van Boring's system and 'filosofi'

I mentioned then that Lukaku's jambody system can be effective...

Oh...

My Bad...

Here I was assuming that Martial scored his 3 league goals under David Moyes

Lukaku still banging it in against the 2nd tier opposition like EPL opponents though

raumdeuter:


Then this assertion would lend more credence to the Local champion jab you are trying to avoid from ollah1

Maybe you should define that Local Champion for us since Ollah can`t define it.

tess1:


See shift. You asked a question and i answered. So why this question?

I`ve told you the years it took him him win UCL is immaterial. Since the inception of Champions league both old and new only Ancelotti have won it more than SAF. We`ll have to wait for others to surpass that before being counted to be superior to him in Europe.

You cannot expect someone who coached for 25yrs to win more than one who coached for 40yrs. If he does then its either one is a genius or the other is mediocre

tess1:


See shift. You asked a question and i answered. So why this question?

I`ve told you the years it took him him win UCL is immaterial. Since the inception of Champions league both old and new only Ancelotti have won it more than SAF. We`ll have to wait for others to surpass that before being counted to be superior to him in Europe.

I think their argument is ; "if the likes of Carlotti, Guardiola etc had managed at a top club for 25 years, they woulda won many more UCL trophies"

Personally, I feel sir Alex coulda done much better - his records aren't too impressive TBH. 2 UCL wins, losing finalists twice & maybe 3 Semi-final appearances in 25 years isn't exactly a record one can boast of.

tess1:


Maybe you should define that Local Champion for us since Ollah can`t define it.

When your strong points are domestic trophies

Dadehmola:


I think their argument is ; "if the likes of Carlotti, Guardiola etc had managed at a top club for 25 years, they woulda won many more UCL trophies"

Personally, I feel sir Alex coulda done much better - his records aren't too impressive TBH. 2 UCL wins, losing finalists twice & maybe 3 Semi-final appearances in 25 years isn't exactly a record one can boast of.

Ori e pe jare owo wobe.

Obviously You never enter that Cocacola joint his morning

raumdeuter:


Ori e pe jare owo wobe.

Obviously You never enter that Cocacola joint his morning

Ode ni e

I'm not your partner in crime (Nitlad)

raumdeuter:


Then this assertion would lend more credence to the Local champion jab you are trying to avoid from ollah1

I haven't tried to avoid anything you can read that in my reply to him.
Your argument boils down to longevity and money now since money is basically meaningless when all the big european teams are concerned longevity is all you have left.
You're faulting a manager for not leaving his league for better pastures.
Ancelotti could've remain with PSG for plenty year but even he jump at the chance to coach a stronger team.

Dadehmola:




Ode ni e

I'm not your partner in crime (Nitlad)

Ori e yi!

My kerb-crawling has since gone international!

Even when ah bin dey dat Lungu sef, me nor dey do Unity parole. . .

SIRcumalot:

I haven't tried to avoid anything you can read that in my reply to him.
Your argument boils down to longevity and money now since money is basically meaningless when all the big european teams are concerned longevity is all you have left.
You're faulting a manager for not leaving his league for better pastures.
Ancelotti could've remain with PSG for plenty year but even he jump at the chance to coach a stronger team.

Money isnt meaningless in Fergies case because Man Utd was the richest club and broke various transfer records during his tenure. Hitzfeld and other coaches would wish they can easily break transfer records just like that and Pay 30M for a defender 15yrs ago

30M for Rio Ferdinand in 2001 would be like 100M for a defender nowadays

I am not faulting him for not leaving but if you are in a rich and convenient club like Man Utd you should do better than 2 CL and 2 finals in 20+ yrs

nitlad:
Ori e yi!

My kerb-crawling has since gone international!

Even when ah bin dey dat Lungu sef, me nor dey do Unity parole. . .

See 2 mad men.

If Dadehmola and you dey claim say una no dey do that parole how dem come dey take get customer?

raumdeuter:


You cannot expect someone who coached for 25yrs to win more than one who coached for 40yrs. If he does then its either one is a genius or the other is mediocre

And why didn`t the coach that coached for 25yrs win more than two as well? Your point is only valid if he had won more than two in the same 25 yrs.

tess1:


And why didn`t the coach that coached for 25yrs win more than two as well? Your point is only valid if he had won more than two in the same 25 yrs.

1. He moved around multiple clubs

2. He never coached a club as rich as Man utd

3. He never coached a club where he had a free hand that Ferguson had

4. When he won the first one, He immediately left to another club and won another

Dadehmola:


I think their argument is ; "if the likes of Carlotti, Guardiola etc had managed at a top club for 25 years, they woulda won many more UCL trophies"

Personally, I feel sir Alex coulda done much better - his records aren't too impressive TBH. 2 UCL wins, losing finalists twice & maybe 3 Semi-final appearances in 25 years isn't exactly a record one can boast of.

I`ll only consider Carlotti in that wise. Pep winning it with that Barca doesn`t make him special.

nitlad:


Ori e yi!

My kerb-crawling has since gone international!

Even when ah bin dey dat Lungu, I didn't limit myself to Unity parole. . .

Fixed...

Person be dey play your record yesterday - I hear say you don popular for that place sotay na installmental payment you dey implement ...even at "contractor"

raumdeuter:


See 2 mad men.

If Dadehmola and you dey claim say una no dey do that parole how dem come dey take get customer?

With a million strong populace - an appreciable number of which are midget-shaggers like yourself - surely, steady patronage is certain.

Dadehmola:


Not so sure about this...

That Inter Milan side that won the UCL that year - the team na diee!!

Toldo - Samuel - Sneijder - Eto.. The spine of the team was rock solid. Sneijder was even the best player in the world that season (another argument for another day).

Maicon, Cambaisso, the versatile Chivu, the free scoring Diego Milito....Lawd - Mourihno had a set of warriors/champions/merceneries at his disposal.

That team perfectly suited Mourihno's "battle mode" mentality

You forgot to mention the offside goal they scored Barca which in turn became the decider

Dadehmola:


Fixed...

Person be dey play your record yesterday - I hear say you don popular for that place sotay na installmental payment you dey implement ...even at "contractor"

Olosi omo!


Ka ma pade mo!

ollah1:



You forgot to mention the offside goal they scored Barca which in turn became the decider

And you forgot to mention how Sergio Busquets shoulda copped an Oscar award in the circumstances that led to Thiago Motta's controversial/unjust sending - off

tess1:


Maybe you should define that Local Champion for us since Ollah can`t define it.

It has being DEFINED, EXPLAINED, EXPATIATED, DISCUSSED, DESCRIBED, HIGHLIGHTED, LISTED ET AL. What else do you wanna read?

raumdeuter:


1. He moved around multiple clubs

2. He never coached a club as rich as Man utd

3. He never coached a club where he had a free hand that Ferguson had

4. When he won the first one, He immediately left to another club and won another

Moving around wasn`t an excuse for him not to have won it more than two times in 25yrs club coaching career.

tess1:


I`ll only consider Carlotti in that wise. Pep winning it with that Barca doesn`t make him special.

WHy does Pep winning at Barcelona not make him special

tess1:


Moving around wasn`t an excuse for him not to have won it more than two times in 25yrs club coaching career.

oving around means you would have to study another set of players and build your team which someone who stays at one club doesnt need to deal with

nitlad:


With a million strong populace - an appreciable number of which are midget-shaggers like yourself - surely, steady patronage is certain.

How you take know say midget dey there? You get wild fetishes o. midget, hunchback, albino, cripple which one you and Dadehmola never do finish?

Aside early 90's you guys should tell us how many teams won consecutive ucl titles. Fergie's record in europe isn't the best but it is still one of the best. Mourinho has 2 ucl in over 14 years of mgt, if he stays in chelsea for the next 12 years the probability of him winning it would be less than 0.08. If ancelotti had stayed in psg, he won't win ucl in 15 years so fergie has a good record in ucl, let us check his win rate wrt other coaches, madrid, ac milan, ajax had better players in those period.

ollah1:


It has being DEFINED, EXPLAINED, EXPATIATED, DISCUSSED, DESCRIBED, HIGHLIGHTED, LISTED ET AL. What else do you wanna read?

Nothing was defined........... A local champion wouldn't have won any European Cup. That's why you couldn't give any definition for it.

tess1:


Nothing was defined........... A local champion wouldn't have won any European Cup. That's why you couldn't give any definition for it.

He was simply a local champion to have won just two ucl in 26 years. He won domestic trophies back to back almost every other year, but cldnt do same Europe.

You don't need to admit it tho but the fact is , he was simply a local champion

Dadehmola:


Not so sure about this...

That Inter Milan side that won the UCL that year - the team na diee!!

Toldo - Samuel - Sneijder - Eto.. The spine of the team was rock solid. Sneijder was even the best player in the world that season (another argument for another day).

Maicon, Cambaisso, the versatile Chivu, the free scoring Diego Milito....Lawd - Mourihno had a set of warriors/champions/merceneries at his disposal.

That team perfectly suited Mourihno's "battle mode" mentality

Did you know by how many goals we dismissed AC Milan that season? Without Rafael's red card and Rooney's injury we would have won it. We were comfortable even against Bayern until Rooney started limping. We had Valencia, Nani, Vidic, Ferdinand who were playing some real world class football at the time.

ollah1:


He was simply a local champion to have won just two ucl in 26 years. He won domestic trophies back to back almost every other year, but cldnt do same Europe.

You don't need to admit it tho but the fact is , he was simply a local champion

And also won with Aberdeen. A local champion

chrisley024:
And also won with Aberdeen. A local champion

What year was that?

raumdeuter:


Beat Ferguson head to head. Won the same number of CL in 2 different clubs in a shorter time

which coach did Fergie defeated in 1999 Ucl final?