joseph1013:


Well, all religions thrive on the same concept of falsehoods where explanations are given to the unknown instead of simply admitting that they do not know.

I assume you're a muslim. Let me ask: how do you know that Islam is the one true religion?

ruffyola:

Islam is not just a religion, Islam is a way of life. Islam is the real constitution which God guides us with. Islam is not just a religion practice anyhow it is a religion which God said find knowledge about me for you to be able to worship me , because if you don't know me how will you worship me. Islam is open , Islam is sweet ,Islam is one and our God Allah (subhanallah watahalla) is one.

On why Islam is known to be one true fact lemme tell you this, many atheist believe in science and I can tell you that many things which the science never knew, which no book ever talked about which no one ever has the idea of have been discussed in the Holy Qur'an for over 1400 years ago and it was revealed to a man who was never learned who never went to any sch yet scientists now confirm his saying . You see there are many instances just to mention a few.

joseph1013:


I asked a simple question and all you did is gallivant. How do you know that Islam is the one true religion?



[b]You make me laugh.

FACT: The Quran contains so many scientific errors that make rational people gasp.

Quran 2: 29 It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heaven and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….
Quran 79: 27 - 30 Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth

Now, does it match modern science? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, after that, God created Heaven? Modern science tells us that? Or How come SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing Sky is no “roof” over us. It is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of ROOF over us which is called SKY, is it not so? How funny!

Quran 18: 86 Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…
Quran 18: 90 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.

Serious scientific errors here! Firstly, it is scientifically accepted fact that, the Sun never go down in a muddy spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away”. It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second Journey the place where it rises.

Quran 36: 38 And the sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.
Quran 36: 39 And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm leaf.
Quran 36: 40 It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.

Allah is indeed a big scientist. Where is sun and where is moon situated? Can anybody tell me how they could collide/meet/overtake each other? Are the sun and the moon neighbors to each other? I have the answer for this error: Ancient Allah saw (bare eye observations) sun and moon traveling from east to west seemingly in the same Sky area or same path, without colliding, causing day and night etc. Allah hardly could imagine that all these phenomena are simply due to Earth’s rotation and NOT by Sun’s rotation. Sun is stationary for Earth, because earth is stuck in the sun’s Gravity, like we are stuck in earth’s gravity. Allah never says any where in the whole Quran that, EARTH ROTATES. Perhaps Allah could not feel earth’s rotation.

Quran 67: 5 And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans…
Quran 37: 6-8 We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.

Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Once again we find how Allah was high on his superstitious weirdness.

Saying the Quran proves science is making a mockery of the book.[/b]

joseph1013:


I asked a simple question and all you did is gallivant. How do you know that Islam is the one true religion?



[b]You make me laugh.

FACT: The Quran contains so many scientific errors that make rational people gasp.

Quran 2: 29 It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heaven and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….
Quran 79: 27 - 30 Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth

Now, does it match modern science? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, after that, God created Heaven? Modern science tells us that? Or How come SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing Sky is no “roof” over us. It is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of ROOF over us which is called SKY, is it not so? How funny!

Quran 18: 86 Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…
Quran 18: 90 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.

Serious scientific errors here! Firstly, it is scientifically accepted fact that, the Sun never go down in a muddy spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away”. It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second Journey the place where it rises.

Quran 36: 38 And the sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.
Quran 36: 39 And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm leaf.
Quran 36: 40 It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.

Allah is indeed a big scientist. Where is sun and where is moon situated? Can anybody tell me how they could collide/meet/overtake each other? Are the sun and the moon neighbors to each other? I have the answer for this error: Ancient Allah saw (bare eye observations) sun and moon traveling from east to west seemingly in the same Sky area or same path, without colliding, causing day and night etc. Allah hardly could imagine that all these phenomena are simply due to Earth’s rotation and NOT by Sun’s rotation. Sun is stationary for Earth, because earth is stuck in the sun’s Gravity, like we are stuck in earth’s gravity. Allah never says any where in the whole Quran that, EARTH ROTATES. Perhaps Allah could not feel earth’s rotation.

Quran 67: 5 And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans…
Quran 37: 6-8 We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.

Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Once again we find how Allah was high on his superstitious weirdness.

Saying the Quran proves science is making a mockery of the book.[/b]

joseph1013:


I asked a simple question and all you did is gallivant. How do you know that Islam is the one true religion?



[b]You make me laugh.

FACT: The Quran contains so many scientific errors that make rational people gasp.

Quran 2: 29 It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heaven and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….
Quran 79: 27 - 30 Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth

Now, does it match modern science? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, after that, God created Heaven? Modern science tells us that? Or How come SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing Sky is no “roof” over us. It is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of ROOF over us which is called SKY, is it not so? How funny!

Quran 18: 86 Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…
Quran 18: 90 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.

Serious scientific errors here! Firstly, it is scientifically accepted fact that, the Sun never go down in a muddy spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away”. It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second Journey the place where it rises.

Quran 36: 38 And the sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.
Quran 36: 39 And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm leaf.
Quran 36: 40 It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.

Allah is indeed a big scientist. Where is sun and where is moon situated? Can anybody tell me how they could collide/meet/overtake each other? Are the sun and the moon neighbors to each other? I have the answer for this error: Ancient Allah saw (bare eye observations) sun and moon traveling from east to west seemingly in the same Sky area or same path, without colliding, causing day and night etc. Allah hardly could imagine that all these phenomena are simply due to Earth’s rotation and NOT by Sun’s rotation. Sun is stationary for Earth, because earth is stuck in the sun’s Gravity, like we are stuck in earth’s gravity. Allah never says any where in the whole Quran that, EARTH ROTATES. Perhaps Allah could not feel earth’s rotation.

Quran 67: 5 And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans…
Quran 37: 6-8 We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.

Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Once again we find how Allah was high on his superstitious weirdness.

Saying the Quran proves science is making a mockery of the book.[/b]

joseph1013:
[b]Islamist Terrorism vs Christian Terrorism Incidents

Conservatives won't admit the ‪#‎PlannedParenthood‬ terrorist attack of yesterday has anything to do with Christianity. And liberals won't admit jihadist terrorism has anything to do with Islam. Thank you, God, for making me an atheist.

Did anyone seriously ever think -- since the first minute the story broke -- that the PP shooter was anything but a religious Christian? Sorry, but despite what Reza Aslan tells you, words have meaning, and beliefs drive behavior. It's not just a bunch of ink blots on a page, and Christian beliefs are as irrational as any other.

But before we get to the inevitable "See, it's not just Muslims!" told-ya-so thing, let's acknowledge a few things:
Some apologist Muslims are understandably feeling like they've gotten a bit of a break today. They're a little sad, of course, but there's a little bit of glee: this Christian terrorist attack on PP has given them another rebuttal point against that nagging, annoying narrative that jihadist terrorism is an Islam problem. Fortunately for them, after every hundred or so Islamist terrorist incidents around the world, there occurs the odd Chapel Hill or Timothy McVeigh or Planned Parenthood attack that keeps the "But what about...?" argument alive.

These occasional one-offs allow many Western Muslim apologists to deflect attention from a clear pattern of hundreds of jihadist attacks happening on a daily basis, in multiple countries, in the name of Islam, with the killers citing supporting verses from the Quran and chanting Allahu Akbar at every murderous instance. Sure, Christianity is ridiculous too, and when Christians had a lot of state power in the first half of the last millennium, they did horrendous things. But that's not how it is today. Today, it is Islam that has state power in much of the world, and is doing all of those horrendous things. If your argument is to hold what the Islamic State does on a daily basis in comparison to what super-religious Christian nutjobs do once in a while, you're going to lose a lot of credibility.

Fighting back against Christendom, chasing it out of state affairs, and embracing secularism is what helped reduce a widespread pattern of Christian atrocities to a few one-off incidents here and there. Today, we should be fighting Islamism the same way, so in the future, Islamist terrorism incidents are as rare as these Christian terrorism incidents. Secularism is the only thing that both protects us from the lunacy of religion, and ensures true religious freedom for all.[/b]

daywalker12911:
what do you mean by 'thank you GOD for making me an atheist?

joseph1013:
LOL...Ever heard of sarcasm?

joseph1013:
[b][size=14pt]A discussion on Bruce Jenner Transgenderism[/size]

I feel compelled to respond to the comments I have read on Bruce Jenner and his gender re-assignment treatment. Some of the comments are absolutely hateful, judgemental and nauseatingly ignorant. No wonder that transgender people are believed to have higher than average suicide rates. But here is the irony - the most toxic comments I have read have come from Christians, the same people who ask for respect for their beliefs all the time, and to whom the bible says "don't judge".

Most of those who condemn transgender-ism do not know anything about the condition. Nor do they know the degree of emotional/psychological stress that transgender people endure on a daily basis. I don't understand transgender-ism or how it comes about or the best way to treat it. I don't know if gender reassignment surgery is necessarily the right treatment for the condition. But I will not complicate life for transgender individuals by denigrating them and suggesting that they are corrupting their bodies when they seek a way to manage their problems.

The issue to me is not whether gender re-assignment surgery will convert a man to a "real woman". I do not believe that this is physically possible. The issue is whether the treatment can alleviate suffering. Or should we let these people commit suicide because the treatment they seek does not conform to your moral code? Why do you talk down an intervention that has helped SOME transgender people when you yourself know of no better treatment or a cure for the condition? How is it your place to judge how others must live their lives? How do you not see that your attitude and comments hurt other people so much? Why not live, and let live?

Maybe this real life encounter from a medical doctor friend will help to soften some minds:

When I was a 'fundamentalist' Christian, I was anti-gay.
In medical school I learnt 'theory', but it was in 500L when I came face-to-face with a 33-yr old male pseudo-hermaphrodite in Ogbomosho, that I got the jolt of my life, because there was absolutely nothing we could do for him/her in that village setting.

Dressed in maxi-dress and head-tie, with earrings, and s/he genuflected when s/he walked in, said, "e kaaro sir", and the deep bass voice almost threw me off my seat!
S/he was huge but not muscular, no breasts or bum, s/he had a tiny blind-ending vagina, no womb, no ovaries; had testes in the abdomen.
S/he had been socialised as a female all his/her life, and though it was a Baptist Hospital, religious considerations were the last thing on our minds!

We just did repeated bouginage (expansion/elongation) of the vagina, so that someday, if lucky, it might be wide and deep enough to accommodate a small penis, so s/he can have sex and feel 'normal' (you can only imagine the stigma in a village setting, his/her chances are zero, I didn't envisage a happy ending). S/he was also planned for surgery to remove the testes (to reduce the testosterone and also the cancer risk). That was back in 1999 (no access to high-fallutin technology), by now s/he would be about 50yrs old and I have often wondered what became of him/her (I hope not suicide).

Since then I have seen various variants, especially in psychiatry, where you are often expected to help sort out the psychosocial issues, non-judgmentally.

The reason they are lumped together as LGBTQIA, is that, they are all related, the issues are the same.

I must confess I still cringe (in my mind only) with disgust, but, I think, with experience over the years, I am getting better at keeping it under control. I feel a lot of empathy, and try to contribute the little help I can.

If you had met this Ogbomosho wo/man on the road, wouldn't you be asking why 'he' is dressed as a woman and behaving like one, in spite of 'his' 'strong face', large Adam's apple, deep bass voice, no breasts, no bum? You might even condemn 'him' in your mind, or to 'his' face, simply because you don't know the whole story. Newsflash: 'she' actually believes 'she' is female, and so did 'her' parents who raised 'her' up as one. What's 'her' gender identity? Female! This is in spite of having XY chromosomes, having testes and high levels of testosterone! What's her sexual orientation? Clue - can be homosexual, bisexual or asexual... anything BUT heterosexual; whose fault would that be?

You as a man, would you marry this 'woman', knowing:
- her voice is a deeper bass than yours
- she has no breasts or bum
- she has no curves, and her face 'strong pass your own'.
- she has no womb, no ovaries, so would never conceive
- she is XY like you, and has testes like you
- you can't have sex with her because her vagina is like that of a new-born baby - would not even admit the tip of your little finger

Assuming she decides to move to a different town where she is unknown, and start dressing and behaving like a man, you as a woman, would you marry this 'man', knowing:
- he has no penis, instead, he has a vagina like yours
- his testes are in his abdomen, and are very unlikely to produce sperms, but more likely to become cancerous
- he still knows deep down, that he is a woman, despite the outward appearance of a man

Ok, now that nobody has agreed to marry him/her, are you now suggesting s/he should remain single all her life, shouldn't love and be loved, shouldn't have oral or anal sex with a woman or a man, shouldn't dream of having children by IVF or adoption, etc?

Should s/he just ignore all attractions, emotions and sexual drives, move into a convent or monastery (even if she has no interest in Catholicism) and remain celibate till death?

Would you call him/her mentally disordered because s/he would not have a stable or straight-forward gender and sexual identity and orientation ( let's face it: whichever one s/he is inclined towards would be the wrong one!)

Is s/he likely to face a tumultuous life, whichever direction she goes?
Is s/he likely to develop a mental illness due to all these pressures?

Would it be fair for you to stigmatise this unfortunate wo/man, condemn and persecute him/her simply because s/he doesn't fit into your neat male/female categories, or because s/he explores sexuality in a different way than what your scriptures dictate?

This is not a hypothetical scenario, we are talking about a real human being with real problems, that have no straight-forward answers, due to no direct fault of his/hers. Now you know this one' s story, so you might be more understanding, but do you ever attempt to know the whole stories of all those people you are condemning?

Don't be quick to condemn what you know absolutely nothing about. These people need support and understanding, they have enough problems already, don't add more to their burdens.

The best you can do is do your own research and understand it more, and since you can't help them, why not just let them be?[/b]

GetRekt:



Thank you for raising awareness. There were a few issues with your post I.e the correct and more wikdky accepted term is 'intersex' not 'hermaphrodite', singular 'they/them/their' (which has been in used for hundreds of years in the English language) or the more recent 'ze/zir/zirs' are used to refer to people who's gender is unknown or non-binary, not 's/he' or 'it'. Also, her name is Caitlyn Jenner.

Everybody makes mistakes. We are all learning, and I thank you so much for taking the brave step forward to expand your horizons and spread awareness.

www.queernigeria.tumblr.com

malvisguy212:
it's a choice,you love God or you Reject Him,concerning the wife of cain;bible does not specifically say it only cain and abel was the son of adam,. Although Cain
does seem to be the firstborn, the text is not clear
that Abel was the second born, but only that he was
the second son. Later, the narrative indicates that
Adam and Eve produced "other sons and
daughters." So, it is possible that Adam and Eve
produced daughters between the births of Cain and
Abel. It is also likely that others sons and daughters
were produced after the birth of Abel. We don't know how old Cain and Abel were when Cain murdered his brother, but they seem to be at least young adults, since they are both engage in a trade. for their
living.

Although the period of time between the birth of
Cain and the death of Abel is not given in the Bible, it would seem that this period was probably over 100 years, since the birth of Adam's next son, Seth is said to have occurred when Adam was 130 years old. Adam and Eve could have produced many daughters during that period of time.
It is possible cain would have marry one of this sister,God caused him may have lead to this.

ValentineMary:
And Cain married his kid sister who he was older with about a 30 years, cool. So you are accusing Cain of being a paedophile and God supporting him.

malvisguy212:
wow, I don't even know what to say to you. Did you read the part were I say " it is possible that Adam and Eve produced daughters BETWEEN the births of Cain and Abel" Cain was the first born but abel wasent the second born , he was the second son. Probably the female Cain married would've been older than abel.

Secondly, the law was not given yet, so what ever accusations you laid is not valid.

ValentineMary:
Clap for yourself u just helped solved 6000 years of human problem by trying to cover a lie with another lie. And moreover u said they lived above the law. So God was not sure that he liked incest until Moses came around?

joseph1013:
[b]WHAT ABSOLUTE MORAL STANDARDS?

At first sight, the idea that we can have no absolute moral standards without God is deceptively appealing. After all, if humans set their own standards who will decide if they are right or wrong? Surely, if we set our own morals, we won't have standards--we'll just have many different opinions. How can one person's opinion be better than anyone else's?

But a little thought will show this idea is grossly mistaken.
[b]
Morality is about how our actions affect other people. [/b]A simple definition of morality would be, "The extent to which human actions are harmful or helpful to others."

What then is an absolute moral standard? It is a rule that defines moral behaviour that must be true in any possible situation in any possible world.

Where can we find such standards? Since this is an argument proposed by Christians, we should be able to find these standards in the Bible-- the book they say was inspired by their god.

The Bible has literally hundreds of moral pronouncements. Here are three that define good behaviour:

Holding slaves is good. (Leviticus 25:44-46)
Killing believers in other gods is good. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)
Killing unruly children is good. (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)

Far from being good behaviours, you could be forgiven for thinking these are bad. Of course, Christians apologetically claim these morals no longer apply. Fine, so that means they are not ABSOLUTE moral standards.

Where then can we find absolute moral standards in the Bible? What about the Ten Commandments? Surely, even if everything else is relative, these commandments, which were said to have been inscribed on stone tablets by God's own finger (sic), will be absolute?

The first three commandments are really to appease God's vanity, so I won't consider them (BTW isn't vanity a sin?).

The fourth commandment is to keep the Sabbath holy. This means we should refrain from work (God is said to have killed an old man for picking up firewood on the Sabbath). But is it really immoral for doctors, midwives, ambulance crews and others who save lives, to work on the Sabbath? I don't think so.

The fifth commandment is to honour your father and mother. This sounds like a good thing but is it absolute? Should you honour your father if he has been raping you since you were six years of age? Or if he was Adolph Hitler? I don't think so.

The sixth commandment is not to kill. This is certainly a good commandment, although it is one that other societies had thousands of years before Judaism. But it is not absolute. There could be situations where ending someone's life could be complying with that person's wishes and be the kindest and most moral thing to do. So this is not an absolute moral standard.

I won't labour the point but, you could go through the remaining commandments and see if you can find situations where obeying the commandment would be the wrong thing to do.

I have to ask Christians to advise me, where are the absolute moral standards in the Bible? I can't find them.

Actually, there is another conclusion that is much more compelling--there are no absolute moral standards. Morality is situational and consequential. Don't start with a set of moral prescriptions. Start with my definition of morality and use your knowledge, reason and empathy to analyse the situation and the consequences of alternative actions to determine which is the most moral.

Using your reason can help make a better world, relying on moral standards from the Iron Age will make a worse one.[/b]

PastorAIO:


I'm not sure about your definition of Morality. How does not working on Saturday affect your fellow man? Isn't it just that Morals/Ethics are a value scale that tells us how we rank actions by preferences. Someone who would rather work than lay about has a strong Work ethic. This has no bearing on it's effect on other people.