Empiree:
I understand that. You cant take this hadith as face value. This hadith appears to be emphasing importance of 5 daily obligatory salat. Nafilat are absolutely not compulsory but they are rewardable. They are some form supererogatory and means (wasilat/"tawasul).

There are other ahadith that talk about importance and offering nafilat a lot. The hadith you quoted could have been at a specific incident and should not be taken in isolation. You know apart from 2 rakat before and after obligatory salat, there are others like: dua, nafilat lail and other voluntary once. But here i am talking about those nafilat before and after obligatory salat. We cant just cancel them out.

Now read this ahadith:


Narrated Abu Qatada Al-Aslami (Radi Allahu 'anhum):

Allah's Apostle (Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam) said, "If anyone of you enters a mosque, he should pray two Rakat before sitting."

Bukhari Vol. 1 : No. 435


So the hadith you quoted should not be taken in isolation. It coud have been said to in order to frown at extremists. For instance, it was reported about story of three men. First man said he would pray all night, second man said he would fast everyday and the third said he would pay zakat everyday in order to emulate the prophet. When the prophet(SAW) heard of them, he cautioned and warned them that it's not his sunnah. He said to them that he(SAW) pray and rest. That he(saw) fast and break. That he(SAW) give zakat moderately.

So the hadith you quoted might be said to discourage extremists. Never meant to ignore nafilat. Nafilat are very good and of-course are not obligatory

enieme:

I still don't agree with that view. Instead I'd rather it be that differentiation is made between the nafilat commanded by Rasulullah (saw) and the ones that were often offered by him (saw).
Neglecting naflnafilAts like attahiyatul masjid, funeral prayer, prayer for rain, eclipse prayer e. T. C will constitute disobedience to Rasulullah (saw)
Sunnah nafilAts like duha, tahajud can actually be ignored if a person so wishes.

vedaxcool:
I am a muslim, inventing code names because you follow a certain line reasoning is not healthy for Islam, rather it creates sectarianism. The Qurán warned Muslims to avoid breaking into sects with every sect happy with what they have. That you accept following the way of the Salafs shouldn't make you a salafi, rather it should simply make you a better Muslim.

Empiree:
^Kenny, your post up there is just twisted upside down. You are just trying to cleanse 'salafism'. This is a twisted ideology bruh

kennyosein:


My post is tangled according to your reasoning? Yh it is.

Like a brother said some of us hate spiders, but leave cobwebs around the house. Y'all want Muslim unity but belong to MSS, TMC, NASFAT and the rest. Some funny ones even do Sufism and Shiism!

E.mpiree if Salafis are just one sect and you don't belong there, you must necessarily belong to one of the other 72 for the Prophet (Peace be upon him) never lied. What do you say?

If you know your sect, why not write about it, if you claim rather not to belong to any sect or group, please explain the hadith below:

It was narrated from Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood among us and said: “Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects, and this ummah will split into seventy-three: seventy-two in Hell and one in Paradise, and that is the jamaa’ah (main body of Muslims).”

Kindly reconcile that with the hadith above as your 'no sect' suggests a 74th group or that you fall completely outside the fold of Muslims.

Empiree:
^ this is just tafsir now. Doesnt address what you doing. Are other sects in Islam going to hell except THE SALAFIS?

kennyosein:
.

This Ummah too has split into sects, all of which
are misguided apart from one, which is Ahlus-
Sunnah Wal-Jama`ah, those who adhere to the
Book of Allah and the Sunnah of the Messenger
of Allah and what was followed by the first
generations, the Companions, their followers, and
the Imams of the Muslims of earlier and later
times.

kennyosein:

In his Mustadrak, Al-Hakim recorded that
the Messenger of Allah was asked which of the
sects was the saved sect and he said: What I and my Companions are upon.

kennyosein:
This is one of the nuttiest thing, I used to see in this section, a shia who used to spend his bulk of time refuting "wahhabism" "Salafism" and trying to prove the validity of shi'ism pathway through the Kutub al-Sittah.

kennyosein:

The Messenger of Allaah ﺻﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻋﻠﻴﻪ ﻭﺳﻠﻢ said,
"Certainly, the one who will live among you will see lots of differences. So stick to my sunnah and [/b]the sunnah of the right-principled and rightly-guided successors[/b]. Bite onto that with your molar teeth.

kennyosein:

Imam Malik said that someone who finds in himself an ill-feeling or anger "ghaiDH" about the Companions is a kafir because Allah says " li-yagheeDHa bihim ul kuffar " - that He may enrage the disbelievers with them , i.e. the Sahaba [48:29]. And the `Ulama' also say if the Companions of the Prophet (Peace be upon him) were disbelievers, dishonest or betrayed the Prophet, then the whole religion would be undermined. Because how do we know what the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said, if the Companions of the Prophet (Peace be upon him) were not honest and truthful? We cannot be sure. And this also applies to the Qur'an, as we received the Qur'an through the Sahaba as well. Indeed, they were truthful and sincere.

And the Prophet (peace be upon him) said, " The sign of faith is love of the Ansar and the sign of hypocrisy is the hatred of Ansar" [al-Bukharee, Muslim].

And he also said, "Do not abuse my Companions,
for if any of you were to spend gold equal to
(mountain of) Uhud in charity, it would not equal
a handful of one of them or even half of that " [al-
Bukharee, Muslim].

And he said, "Whoever abuses my Companions,
upon them is the curse of Allah, the angels and
all the people " [Saheeh, At-Tabaranee].

May Allah count us among the sincere ones.

kennyosein:
And the Prophet (peace be upon him) said, " The sign of faith is love of the Ansar and the sign of hypocrisy is the hatred of Ansar" [al-Bukharee, Muslim].

kennyosein:

And he said, "Whoever abuses my Companions,
upon them is the curse of Allah, the angels and
all the people " [Saheeh, At-Tabaranee].
.

kennyosein:
Allaah’s Messenger (sallAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam): “The best of people are my Companions.” Al-Bukhaaree and others have reported this hadeeth.

kennyosein:

I knew sooner or later you'll expose your creed and as usual to you all the Companions were Kafir except Ahlu-baith.

kennyosein:

A Sahaabee (Companion) is anyone that met the
Prophet (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) while believing in him, and dying upon that condition.

Perchance you didn't know the definition of Sahaabee

kennyosein:

Shaykhul Islam Ibn Taymiyyah, may Allah have
mercy on him, said:
“The scholars have unanimously agreed that the
Raafidhah are the most dishonest and untruthful
of all sects . The quality of dishonesty is noted amongst them from their very beginnings, that is why scholars have noted them to be liars .”

kennyosein:

Ash’hab b. Abdul-Azeez said: I asked Imaam
Maalik, may Allah have mercy on him, about the
Raafidhah and he said:
“Do not speak to them nor narrate anything from
them, for they are dishonest.”

kennyosein:
Allaah says - And the first to embrace Islam of the Muhajirun (those who migrated from Makkah to Al-Madinah) and the Ansar (the citizens of Al-Madinah who helped and gave aid to the Muhajirun) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allah is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success. Qur'aan 9 vs 100.

kennyosein:

And today you call them disbelievers and hypocrites. Expose yourself more cuz I know you don't even belief in the Qur'aan, stop the pretense. The Shia scholar, An-
Nooree at-Tabreesee (d. 1320H) in his book, Faslul-Khitaab fee lthbaat Tahreefi Kitaabil-Arbaab Al-Kulainee mentions in Usoolul-Kaafee (2/242) that the Qur’aan that was brought by Jibraa’eel to Muhammad (salallaahu ‘alaihi
wassallam) had seventeen thousand verses. This means that the
Qur’aan the Raafidah claim was revealed is more than what is with us today, because what we have before us today consists of
just over six thousand Ayahs! And it is Allaah who has promised to preserve it.
"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We
will be its guardian.” (al-Hijr 15:9).


Even your explanation to the Qur’aanic and Hadith's commentary is
misguided. The shias explain it in accordance to their desires.

And indeed the noble Sahaabee ‘Ali ibn Abi
Taalib (May Allaah be pleased with him) was one the Companions of the Prophet (Peace be upon him)what was his response to your bogus claim - It was narrated that Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah (who was the son of ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib) said: “I said to my father, ‘Which of the people was the best after the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)?’ He said, 'Abu Bakr.’ I said, ‘Then who?’ He said, 'Then ‘Umar.’ I was afraid that he would say ‘Uthmaan. I said, ‘Then is it you?’ He said, ‘I am only one of the Muslims.’”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3671.

It was narrated that ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “No one is brought to me who regards me as superior to Abu Bakr and ‘Umar but I will punish him with a beating like a fabricator.”

Shaykh al-Islam bn Taymiyah said: It was narrated that he used to speak from the minbar of Kufa and say that the best of this ummah after our Prophet was Abu Bakr, then ‘Umar. This was narrated from him via more than eighty isnaads, and it was narrated by al-Bukhaari
and others. Hence the earlier Shi’ah all used to agree that Abu Bakr and ‘Umar were superior, as has been mentioned by more than one. Manhaaj al-Sunnah , 1/308.

Narrated by Imam Ahmad in his Musnad, 839. And Shaykh Shu’ayb al-Arna’oot said: its isnaad is qawiy. These ahaadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and these reports from the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) all testify to the belief of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, amongst whom there is no dispute concerning it, that the best of this ummah after its Prophet is Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him), then ‘Umar. May Allaah be pleased with all of the Sahaabah. But the grimy shias in the Shee’ah book Miftaah al-Jinaan of Abbaas al-Qummee there occurs a supplication of the Shee’ah scholars directed against Abu Bakr and Umar and their two daughters ‘Aa’ishaa and Hafsah (radi
Allaahu ‘anhum), both wives of the Prophet (salallaahu 'alaihi
wassallam). They consider these as legislated supplications in the
morning and the evening, wherein they utter: “O Allaah, send peace upon Muhammad and the family of Muhammad - and
curse the two idols of Quraish, their two magicians, their
two false deities, and likewise their slanderous daughters,
those who opposed your commands.. (etc.)” (Rijaal al-
Kashshee, p. 114). They also refer to Abu Bakr and ‘Umar (radi
Allaahu ‘anhumaa) as “Fir'awn and Haamaan!” (See Quratul-‘Ayn
of al-Kaashaanee, p. 432-433).

Mu’mal b. Ahaab said: I heard Yazid b. Haroon
saying: "Write the narrations of every man of Bid’ah who
is not openly professing it or calling others to it except the Raafidhah, for they are liars.” Muhammad b. Sa’eed al-Asbahani said: I heard Shuraik saying:
“I take the knowledge from everyone that I meet,
except from the Raafidhah, for they fabricate
narrations and see it a religious duty to do this.”

May Allaah protect the Ummah from the wicked beliefs of the Shi’ite religion and grant the leadership of this country the power and courage to wipe them out from this country.

AlBaqir:


If you forgot, the question is: With different sects and sub-sects of Ahlu sunnah wal jama'ah, which one exactly is the right ONE that will make it to Jannah?

kennyosein:
The Jews and Christians are better that Raafidahah, for when the Jews were asked who the best of all Jews were, they replied: "The Companions of Musa" and when Christians were asked who the best of all Christians were they said the Companions of Jesus. And when Raafidhah were asked who the worst among them were, they said the Companions of Prophet Mohammed ( ﷺ ).

Minhaj as-Sunnah, Shaikh ul Islam Ibn Taymiyyah1/24 may Allah have mercy on him.

kennyosein:
The Jews and Christians are better that Raafidahah, for when the Jews were asked who the best of all Jews were, they replied: "The Companions of Musa" and when Christians were asked who the best of all Christians were they said the Companions of Jesus. And when Raafidhah were asked who the worst among them were, they said the Companions of Prophet Mohammed ( ﷺ ).

Minhaj as-Sunnah, Shaikh ul Islam Ibn Taymiyyah1/24 may Allah have mercy on him.

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Empiree:
Zionists will eventually use you and your cohorts in naijeria to cause trouble. And you will work for them unconsciously. Keep beating drums of war.

Empiree:
Zionists will eventually use you and your cohorts in naijeria to cause trouble. And you will work for them unconsciously. Keep beating drums of war.

kennyosein:
Waleikum Salam,
This is a statement of Shaikh ul Islam Ibn
Taymiyyah not to be confused with the sayings of the Messenger of Allaah ( ﷺ ).

The messages is explicit but I will still try to paraphrase it with my teeny understanding.

"Who is the best among your nation?" They said: "the
companions of Moses." Then he asked the Christians so they replied: "the apostles of Jesus." Then he asked the Râfida "who is the worst among your nation?" They said: "the Companions of Muhammad"

Allah said about Jews (after all the corruption that they did): "Of the people of Moses there is a/section who guide and do justice in the light of truth. " (Qur'an 7:159).

Allah stated that of the Children of Israel there
are some who follow the truth and judge by it, whereas
the shia claimed all the Companions apostated after the
Prophet (salallaahu ‘alaihi wassallam) except for three, those
being: Miqdaad ibn Aswad, Abu Dharr al-Ghifaaree and
Salmaan al-Faarisee.”

Obviously the Shia allegations only connotes that the
companions were not virtuous people and what does that says about their Leader ( ﷺ ). The Shia curse the Companions who are the righteous pattern to this Ummah and Allah bear witness for that:

(Some part is due) to the indigent Muhajirs (the Companions who emigrated from Mecca) , those who
were expelled from their homes and their property, while seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure, and aiding Allah and His Messenger: such are indeed the sincere ones ;
But those who, before them, had homes (in Medina) and had adopted the Faith, show their affection to such as came to them for refuge, and entertain no desire in their hearts for things given to the (latter) , but give them preference over themselves, even though poverty was their (own lot) . And those saved from the covetousness of their own souls; they are the ones that achieve prosperity.
And those who came after them say: "Our Lord! Forgive us, and our brethren who came before us into the Faith, and leave not, in our hearts, rancour (or sense of injury)
against those who have believed. Our Lord! Thou art indeed Full of Kindness, Most Merciful." (Qur'an Hashr: 8-10)

BETATRON:
you've failed to respond to the verses of the koran which shows that some of the companions were hypocrites

---it is also clearly stated in the koran that the people of moses exhibit hypocrisy,returning to their pagan worship after moses left them for 40 days----

How can the Allah refer to the whole of these people(including the hypocritical) as the best people--hence equaling them to those who are devoted and are true companions

Also if is worth mentioning that even the koran never choose the companions of moses over his family

--“Musa said: O Allah! Assign me a Vizier from my
family, (that is) my brother Harun. Add to my
strength through him, and make him share my
task: that we may celebrate thy praise without
stint… (Allah) said: “We granted your requests, O
Musa” (20:29-36)

Regarding prophets muhammad's house hold Allah states in the koran

---"...Allah desires to keep any uncleanness from
you, o' people of the House and purify you with a perfect purification-koran33-33.----

If the ENTIRE sahabahs were the best people why wasn't a similar verse revealed about the entire sahabah's

----

Regarding abraham the koran states how Allah rewarded
Abraham by giving him righteous progeny (
Abraham's prayer in quran14:39-40)---in Quran6vs74-87--even muhammad as we know is a descendant of abraham from his offspring and not his companions

---isn't it all logical for God who chose as the leaders of mankind the offsprings of abraham,,and chose harun as the vizier of moses to chose as the leaders of the muslim ummah prophet mohammad's offspring and descendants?

kennyosein:
Waleikum Salam,
This is a statement of Shaikh ul Islam Ibn
Taymiyyah not to be confused with the sayings of the Messenger of Allaah ( ﷺ ).

The messages is explicit but I will still try to paraphrase it with my teeny understanding.

"Who is the best among your nation?" They said: "the
companions of Moses." Then he asked the Christians so they replied: "the apostles of Jesus." Then he asked the Râfida "who is the worst among your nation?" They said: "the Companions of Muhammad"

Allah said about Jews (after all the corruption that they did): "Of the people of Moses there is a/section who guide and do justice in the light of truth. " (Qur'an 7:159).

Allah stated that of the Children of Israel there
are some who follow the truth and judge by it, whereas
the shia claimed all the Companions apostated after the
Prophet (salallaahu ‘alaihi wassallam) except for three, those
being: Miqdaad ibn Aswad, Abu Dharr al-Ghifaaree and
Salmaan al-Faarisee.”

Obviously the Shia allegations only connotes that the
companions were not virtuous people and what does that says about their Leader ( ﷺ ). The Shia curse the Companions who are the righteous pattern to this Ummah and Allah bear witness for that:

(Some part is due) to the indigent Muhajirs (the Companions who emigrated from Mecca) , those who
were expelled from their homes and their property, while seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure, and aiding Allah and His Messenger: such are indeed the sincere ones ;
But those who, before them, had homes (in Medina) and had adopted the Faith, show their affection to such as came to them for refuge, and entertain no desire in their hearts for things given to the (latter) , but give them preference over themselves, even though poverty was their (own lot) . And those saved from the covetousness of their own souls; they are the ones that achieve prosperity.
And those who came after them say: "Our Lord! Forgive us, and our brethren who came before us into the Faith, and leave not, in our hearts, rancour (or sense of injury)
against those who have believed. Our Lord! Thou art indeed Full of Kindness, Most Merciful." (Qur'an Hashr: 8-10)