I have just finish reading your page, and it's funny, you JW's always give the right answers but you don't practice them yourselves. But this isn't the case, Jesus said go out unto all the world and preach the gospel-His gospel, not your own.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God, but you have changed it to "a God"? Why?
You know you are lying against God.
John 2:19 "Jesus answered, and said, destroy this temple, and in 3 day's I will raise it up.
Colossians 2:12 "Buried with Him in baptism, wherein also ye risen with Him through the faith of the operation of God, who have raised Him from the dead.
Romans 8:11 "But the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead,shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.
I have never heard any of you raise these scriptures up. And yet these scriptures are written in the bible, ok your bibles maybe different in many ways, but most of you carry the King James bible,and its written in there proving Jesus and God are the same person.This is the truth you should be teaching-again Jesus said go out unto all the world a preach the gospel, His gospel, not the watchtowers gospel-you say the magazines are written about Christ, but you have refused to speak the truth about Christ.

dolphinheart:

Is this true? Let's see....

1. They do not support warfare nor participate in them. They try to live in peace at all times. They will not kill their fellow humans for political reasons.
They try their best to follow jesus words found in matt chapt 5.

Hence they suffered for their neutrality during wars.

2. They do not participate in politics but put their hope on solving mans problem in Gods kingdom. Man is not capable of taking care of itself. World politics has shown Jeremiah to be right, hence they try to be no part of the world when it comes to rulership.

3. They have love among themselves and there meeting together is not segregated along tribal or skin colour lines. John 13:35

4. They do not support any form of sin and send away from their midst anyone who sins deliberately who does not change his ways the moment they noticed or discover such ones.

5. They believe jesus Christ is the son of God and follow his teachings recorded in the scriptures.
John 17:3 - This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent,
Jesus Christ.

John 20:17. -Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

Therefore as christians , they know who their God is and who their mediator is!

6. they adhere to God’s original
standard of marriage as the union of one man and one woman, with sexual immorality being the only valid basis for divorce as being taught by jesus .Matthew 19:4-9

7. They preach about Gods kingdom in all the earth as jesus instructed. Mark16:15

You see them on the street, in ur homes, bus stations talking about Gods kingdom and the role jesus plays in it.
And if they can not be with you always, you have the worlds most distributed, most published, never missed magazines to assist you in ur search for the truth through bible study.

8. They preach and belief that a person’s works prove that his faith is alive. ( James 2:24, 26) However, salvation cannot be earned—it comes through “the undeserved kindness of God.”— Galatians 2:16, 21.

9. They follow the teachings and example of Jesus Christ and honor him as our Savior and as the Son of God. (Matthew 20:28; Acts 5:31)

10. There elders do not enrich themselves with members contributions. They do not hold titles such as "most high", most anything" or "father".
They do not collect tithes


There are no detailed analysis to support ur view on each point.


Your post is for ignorant people. Those who search the scriptures to find out the truth are not ignorant!

And it also says the word was God, not a God

Jessicha:
@ brocab , Can we discuss john 1:1 , firstly explain the phrase " the Word was With God" , does this not mean the word is different from God ?

brocab:
And it also says the word is God, not a God

You didnt answer me now .. Are u scared ?

Besides , you mean the Word is the same God in that verse ? Lets see how it sounds if we subitute what you belive into that verse

" and the Word was With God ( The Word) " right ? The Word was with the Word ?

Not having the Spirit of God residing in yourself, this of course sounds very confusing to you, I have explained this before-how does the bible see God, describe Him-and describe Jesus.
John 17:21 "Jesus prayed to the Father just as you are in me I am in you. May they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent Me.
Is this scripture showing us, the Spirit of God lives within.

Jessicha:


You didnt answer me now .. Are u scared ?

Besides , you mean the Word is the same God in that verse ? Lets see how it sounds if we subitute what you belive into that verse

" and the Word was With God ( The Word) " right ? The Word was with the Word ?

brocab:
Not having the Spirit of God residing in yourself, this of course sounds very confusing to you, I have explained this before-how does the bible see God, describe Him-and describe Jesus.

Eeyah , so its confusing you , pls explain it for me better ?

" The word was WITH ^{remember you said the Word was God} God ( The word) " right ? The Word was with the Word ?

John 17:21 "Jesus prayed to the Father just as you are in me I am in you. May they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent Me.
Is this scripture showing us, the Spirit of God lives within.

Where did you see Spirit Of God in john 17:21 ? Are u sleeping ?

Do we not read the word of God?
I see you really haven't any idea when it comes to the word, you don't understand what John 17:21 means, Jesus said Father you are in Me and I am in you. Describe God who is God written in the bible. What does God look like?

Jessicha:


Eeyah , so its confusing you , pls explain it for me better ?

" The word was WITH God ( The word) " right ? Aftrall you testify that the word is God, so explain that phrase .



Where did you see Spirit Of God in john 17:21 ? Are u sleeping ?

brocab:
Do we not read the word of God?
I see you really haven't any idea when it comes to the word, you don't understand what John 17:21 means, Jesus said Father you are in Me and I am in you. Describe God who is God written in the bible. What does God look like?

Dont deviate , we are discussing john 1:1

" The Word with God ( The Word) ? " ?

Do we not read the word of God John 1:1 In the beginning was the word-and the word was with God, and the word was God, do we read the word of God-is the WORD about God.
Listen you won't understand this scripture until you can answer, how do you describe God in the bible. Once you have done that then everything should fall into place for you.

Jessicha:


Dont deviate , we are discussing john 1:1

" The Word with God ( The Word) ? " ?

Are you a JW?

Jessicha:


Dont deviate , we are discussing john 1:1

" The Word with God ( The Word) ? " ?

brocab:
Do we not read the word of God John 1:1 In the beginning was the word-and the word was with God, and the word was God, do we read the word of God-is the bible about God.

Okay , the word of God at john 1:1 is bible ?

Listen you won't understand this scripture until you can answer, how do you describe God in the bible.

" the Only true God" John 17:3

Once you have done that then everything should fall into place for you.

Answer me: explain the phrase "the Word was with God " and you replied the Word was God . If then the word was God , then u admit the Word was with God ( The Word) ? The Word was with the Word ?

Until you can describe God in the bible-then you may understand the word was with God and the word was God, but because you can't explain it to me, you won't understand John 1:1 "These very scriptures are written so we can understand them clearly, it takes the Holy Spirit to teach us spiritually, without the Holy Spirit-you have Buckley's and none, to even know the hidden secrets about the bible.
I am trying to help you, but without you having the Spirit of God, I feel it's impossible even trying.
Are you a JW?

Jessicha:


Okay , the word of God at john 1:1 is bible ?



" the Only true God" John 17:3



Answer me: explain the phrase "the Word was with God " and you replied the Word was God . If then the word was God , then u admit the Word was with God ( The Word) ? The Word was with the Word ?

But even so, if the bible had said John 1:1 as it say's the word was God, it wouldn't matter to you, because you have changed it in your bible the word was a God. And trying to convince me to believe otherwise, that the JW's are right, while the bible is wrong, then of course you are trying to draw me away from the truth, to only believe in the lie' the JW's have written.
Jesus said My sheep knows My voice.
Revelation 22:19 "Anyone who removes the word of God from the book God will deal with that person.

Jessicha:


Okay , the word of God at john 1:1 is bible ?



" the Only true God" John 17:3



Answer me: explain the phrase "the Word was with God " and you replied the Word was God . If then the word was God , then u admit the Word was with God ( The Word) ? The Word was with the Word ?

brocab:
I have just finish reading your page, and it's funny, you JW's always give the right answers but you don't practice them yourselves. But this isn't the case, Jesus said go out unto all the world and preach the gospel-His gospel, not your own.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God, but you have changed it to "a God"? Why?
You know you are lying against God.
John 2:19 "Jesus answered, and said, destroy this temple, and in 3 day's I will raise it up.
Colossians 2:12 "Buried with Him in baptism, wherein also ye risen with Him through the faith of the operation of God, who have raised Him from the dead.
Romans 8:11 "But the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead,shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.
I have never heard any of you raise these scriptures up. And yet these scriptures are written in the bible, ok your bibles maybe different in many ways, but most of you carry the King James bible,and its written in there proving Jesus and God are the same person.This is the truth you should be teaching-again Jesus said go out unto all the world a preach the gospel, His gospel, not the watchtowers gospel-you say the magazines are written about Christ, but you have refused to speak the truth about Christ.

The problem one faces when discussing with you is the fact that you dnt look at the points raised in the post you are quoting.
Can you explain what jesus himself said in the scriptures i quoted?

As to your question on john 1:1, jehovahs witnesses did not change the words to a God. To change would mean the words there where not what was there originally. You need to go and look into the translation of that verse before you believe those that accuse jehovahs witnesses of changing it.

if a person is with another person, then you are talking about 2 persons and not one, hence jesus cannot be with God and still be that same God. That jesus is a God, a mighty God is supported by the scriptures.

That jesus is almighty God is not supported by the scriptures for the scriptures and even jesus himself tells us that the father is greater, that jesus has a God, that he was giving power and authority by that God, that he is subjected and loyal to that God at all times, that at no point in time where they the same person.

Jesus did not pray to himself, he prayed to someone else, who he called the only true God. Me as I try to follow jesus, will pray to that same person through the name of the one who he sent to save us and who act as our mediator and high priest, jesus Christ.

Unlike most people who preach without opening the bible, even though they hold it in their hands, jehovahs witnesses use the scriptures extensively when talking about jesus and the one who went him, jehovah.

Jesus has a God at all times, he himself said it, identified him, told us about him and who he is, it is that God that must be worshiped just as jesus did.

brocab:
Until you can describe God in the bible-then you may understand the word was with God and the word was God, but because you can't explain it to me, you won't understand John 1:1 "These very scriptures are written so we can understand them clearly, it takes the Holy Spirit to teach us spiritually, without the Holy Spirit-you have Buckley's and none, to even know the hidden secrets about the bible.
I am trying to help you, but without you having the Spirit of God, I feel it's impossible even trying.
Are you a JW?

Your refusal to explain how the "word was with God " has shown that you are as confused about the doctrine as those who formulated it. You want her to explain who God is before you tell her how the word was with God! Imagine.

You that thinks you have the holy spirit, pls tell us who God is, who jesus called God and how the word was with God.!

dolphinheart:


Your refusal to explain how the "word was with God.....

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

The three "a,b,c" clauses referred to in this document:
John 1:1a "In the beginning was the Word,"
John 1:1b "and the Word was with God,"
John 1:1c "and the Word was God."
This verse is so simple it is impossible to get it wrong. An illustrated paraphrase of the text would be:

"In the beginning was EVE, and EVE was with MAN, and EVE was MAN. SHE was in the beginning with MAN."

Even adopting the Jehovah's Witnesses paraphrase, the New World Translation's, (NWT hereafter) unscholarly insertion of "a god" of the text makes no difference:

"In the beginning was EVE, and EVE was with MAN, and EVE was a MAN.
Just as "man" can refer specifically to male to the exclusion of female, So also God can refer to the Father to the exclusion of the Son. However, just as "man" can include both male and female as a class of being, (Gen 5:2 "He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them Man", so too "God" can include both Father and Son as a class of being, as in John 1:1.

adejaresalami1:
a Muslim should not welcome other religion coz their isn't any religion apart from islam ,take your time to study the religion you practise and don't just say your mum being an Alhaja is the end of Islam.Allah knows best

Bloody bigot..... Uninformed Religious fanatic

paulGrundy:


John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

The three "a,b,c" clauses referred to in this document:
John 1:1a "In the beginning was the Word,"
John 1:1b "and the Word was with God,"
John 1:1c "and the Word was God."
This verse is so simple it is impossible to get it wrong. An illustrated paraphrase of the text would be:

"In the beginning was EVE, and EVE was with MAN, and EVE was MAN. SHE was in the beginning with MAN."

Even adopting the Jehovah's Witnesses paraphrase, the New World Translation's, (NWT hereafter) unscholarly insertion of "a god" of the text makes no difference:

"In the beginning was EVE, and EVE was with MAN, and EVE was a MAN.
Just as "man" can refer specifically to male to the exclusion of female, So also God can refer to the Father to the exclusion of the Son. However, just as "man" can include both male and female as a class of being, (Gen 5:2 "He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them Man", so too "God" can include both Father and Son as a class of being, as in John 1:1.

Eve was with adam Bro.
If you want to use names, use names, and if u want to use description, use description.

In the beggining was EVE, and EVE was with ADAM , and eve was ADAM? Naaaaaa! Wrong analogy.

In the beggining was the WOMAN, and the WOMaN was with MAN, and the WOMAN was MAN? Another false analogy.

You have to find another example.

Even if eve was MAN, that means two MANs(men) existed at the same time as adam and eve. Therefore the verse was talking about 2 Gods, it proper to refer to one of them as a God as some scholars and translators ascribe.
These same 2 Gods exist in heb 1: 8,9

dolphinheart:

Even if eve was MAN,that means two MANs(men) existed at the same time as adam and eve. Therefore the verse was talking about 2 Gods, it proper to refer to one of them as a God as some scholars and translators ascribe.
These same 2 Gods exist in heb 1: 8,9

The bolded is illogical, if Eve was Man, it does not mean two men existed. If that were the case, it would have read Eve was a man.

The original greek read: The word was God, the watchtower included "a" which is not the original greek translation.
Reading: The word was a god.
There is no indefinite article in Greek (in English, "a" or "an", so any use of an indefinite article in English must be added by the translator. This is grammatically acceptable, so long as it does not change the meaning of the text.

There is a good reason why theos has no definite article in John 1:1 and why the New World Translation rendering is in error. There are three general rules we need to understand to see why.

1. In Greek, word order does not determine word usage like it does in English. In English, a sentence is structured according to word order: Subject - Verb - Object. Thus, "Harry called the dog" is not equivalent to "the dog called Harry." But in Greek, a word's function is determined by the case ending found attached to the word's root. There are two case endings for the root theo: one is -s (theos), the other is -n (theon). The -s ending normally identifies a noun as being the subject of a sentence, while the -n ending normally identifies a noun as the direct object.

2. When a noun functions as a predicate nominative (in English, a noun that follows a being verb such as "is", its case ending must match the noun's case that it renames, so that the reader will know which noun it is defining. Therefore, theo must take the -s ending because it is renaming logos. Therefore, John 1:1 transliterates to "kai theos en ho logos." Is theos the subject, or is logos? Both have the -s ending. The answer is found in the next rule.

3. In cases where two nouns appear, and both take the same case ending, the author will often add the definite article to the word that is the subject in order to avoid confusion. John put the definite article on logos (“the Word”) instead of on theos. So, logos is the subject, and theos is the predicate nominative. In English, this results in John 1:1 being read as "and the Word was God" (instead of "and God was the word".

can someone pls explain this. if Jesus was God, when they ask him when the world is going to come to an end, he said he doesn't no , that its only his father in heaven that knows the hour and time the world ll end.
Jesus could not be lying then.

For cutting part of my post off, it shows you have either accepted what was stated there or have no contrary view to what was stated.

paulGrundy:


The bolded is illogical, if Eve was Man, it does not mean two men existed. If that were the case, it would have read Eve was a man.

Good that you now understood that using eve as an example by you is illogical. And if you insist on using eve, it will mean that eve was "a man" and that there where two men involved.
You analogy claims eve is man and refused to accept that as at that time adam existed as man, showing us 2 men cus eve is not adam.

Everybody here can see how ur analogy exposes your beliefs, and ur deliberate refusal to address the scriptures in my initial and second posts which you quoted.
Your refusal to comment about the points I raised on jehovahs witnesses also shows ur motive(s)

You post below is not part of the initial discussion on how the word was with God as we are not discussing yet the translation of that part of the verse.

The original greek read: The word was God, the watchtower included "a" which is not the original greek translation.
Reading: The word was a god.
There is no indefinite article in Greek (in English, "a" or "an", so any use of an indefinite article in English must be added by the translator. This is grammatically acceptable, so long as it does not change the meaning of the text.

There is a good reason why theos has no definite article in John 1:1 and why the New World Translation rendering is in error. There are three general rules we need to understand to see why.

1. In Greek, word order does not determine word usage like it does in English. In English, a sentence is structured according to word order: Subject - Verb - Object. Thus, "Harry called the dog" is not equivalent to "the dog called Harry." But in Greek, a word's function is determined by the case ending found attached to the word's root. There are two case endings for the root theo: one is -s (theos), the other is -n (theon). The -s ending normally identifies a noun as being the subject of a sentence, while the -n ending normally identifies a noun as the direct object.

2. When a noun functions as a predicate nominative (in English, a noun that follows a being verb such as "is", its case ending must match the noun's case that it renames, so that the reader will know which noun it is defining. Therefore, theo must take the -s ending because it is renaming logos. Therefore, John 1:1 transliterates to "kai theos en ho logos." Is theos the subject, or is logos? Both have the -s ending. The answer is found in the next rule.

3. In cases where two nouns appear, and both take the same case ending, the author will often add the definite article to the word that is the subject in order to avoid confusion. John put the definite article on logos (“the Word”) instead of on theos. So, logos is the subject, and theos is the predicate nominative. In English, this results in John 1:1 being read as "and the Word was God" (instead of "and God was the word".

dolphinheart:
For cutting part of my post off, it shows you have either accepted what was stated there or have no contrary view to what was stated.



Good that you now understood that using eve as an example by you is illogical.

Using eve analogy is logical, it is your interpretation of the analogy that is illogical.

And if you insist on using eve, it will mean that eve was "a man" and that there where two men involved.

That is if I go by your interpretation,

dolphinheart:
Even if eve was MAN,that means two MANs(men) existed at the same time as adam and eve

.

You analogy claims eve is man and refused to accept that as at that time adam existed as man, showing us 2 men cus eve is not adam.

Chill, its just an analogy not to be taken deeply. If I had said dolphinheart is sonoflucifer, does it mean they are the same handle? NO!
Then why did I use it? To explain something.

Everybody here can see how ur analogy exposes your beliefs, and ur deliberate refusal to address the scriptures in my initial and second posts which you quoted.

I addressed the scriptures by using that analogy. The problem you have with me was my refusal to insert "a" or "an" in my analogy.

Your refusal to comment about the points I raised on jehovahs witnesses also shows ur motive(s)

Which point is that? ??

You post below is not part of the initial discussion on how the word was with God as we are not discussing yet the translation of that part of the verse.

Its part and related to what we are discussing: the interpretation of John 1:1. I raised those points to expose why you are finding it hard to accept a simple analogy/truth.

As I have explained the word also say's and the word was God, No-one has refused anything, I was trying to explain to her once she knows who god is, then the scripture will come alive, but the argument is silly, reading from two different bibles, won't answer the questions asked.
My King James say's In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word is God, your bible say's the word is a God, this is not Spiritual.
For you to back up a JW, of course you must be one yourself right?
We all know who God is, but the question I had asked her, how does the bible describe God, what description does the bible give to us who God is, what is God how does the bible describe God?
Does it say He's a Man? Like the JW's believe his a man, you believe Jesus and God are two different people.
Adam said, he saw the Lord God walking in the garden, He didn't say he saw the Father and the Son walking in the Garden.
And of course without she knowing, there's no point trying to guess the answers who God is and what parts He plays in the bible.
And yes I am a Spirit filled Christian, and how does one tell a Spirit filled Christian? You wouldn't know, Only because you preach another gospel.

dolphinheart:


Your refusal to explain how the "word was with God " has shown that you are as confused about the doctrine as those who formulated it. You want her to explain who God is before you tell her how the word was with God! Imagine.

You that thinks you have the holy spirit, pls tell us who God is, who jesus called God and how the word was with God.!

paulGrundy:


Using eve analogy is logical, it is your interpretation of the analogy that is illogical.

And yet you refused to quote or comment on the part where I expressed my view on how illogical your analysis is.

That is if I go by your interpretation,

You have not giving any contrary interpretation of eve being man while adam is man also.
If the two are man that means we have two men! I'm I right or wrong?
If eve and adam are not the same person, then we are talking about 2 different persons or people!. If I'm wrong then give us ur explanation of eve being man and adam being man at the same time!

Chill, its just an analogy not to be taken deeply. If I had said dolphinheart is sonoflucifer, does it mean they are the same handle? NO!
Then why did I use it? To explain something.

Then what does it mean, you just told us what it does not mean.
What does it explain?

I addressed the scriptures by using that analogy. The problem you have with me was my refusal to insert "a" or "an" in my analogy.

I asked: how do you explain " the word was with God". I did not ask you directly, but you jumped in to give your own answer. You gave an example of eve and man.
That analogy is false as it does not explain the question asked and even if look into the analogy proper, it only supports the view that we have more than 1 God/MAN being talked about as a different entity/body/person is also MAN/God as at when you say eve is man.
An analogy that can't explain the complexity of the issue should not be used in the first place.

[
quote] Which point is that? ??[/quote]
The points raised in the post that you first quoted.

Its part and related to what we are discussing: the interpretation of John 1:1. I raised those points to expose why you are finding it hard to accept a simple analogy/truth.

I did not ask about the interpretation or translation of john 1:1. Go and look at the question raised again.

brocab:
As I have explained the word also say's and the word was God, No-one has refused anything, I was trying to explain to her once she knows who god is, then the scripture will come alive

She did not ask you that, she asked you to explain "the word was with God".

but the argument is silly, reading from two different bibles, won't answer the questions asked.
My King James say's In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word is God, your bible say's the word is a God, this is not Spiritual.

Is there difference in "the word was with God" as stated in the translations?
If there is pls let us know, and if there is not, pls let us understand what ur bible means when it stated that " the word was with God"

For you to back up a JW, of course you must be one yourself right?
We all know who God is, but the question I had asked her, how does the bible describe God, what description does the bible give to us who God is, what is God how does the bible describe God?
Does it say He's a Man? Like the JW's believe his a man, you believe Jesus and God are two different people.

We all dnt know who God is.
How does the bible describe God? It depends on which God you are reffering to the God that was refered to in heb 1:8 or his God that was refered to in heb 1:9

Can you provide prove that jehovahs witnesses believe that God is a man?

Yes, I believe that jesus and God are two different persons and can provide numerous scriptures to butress my views if you ask for it. But note, if you request for the scriptural evidences, you must be ready to provide ur explanation of that particular scripture in case you have a contrary opinion to my explanation of the scripture mentioned.

Adam said, he saw the Lord God walking in the garden, He didn't say he saw the Father and the Son walking in the Garden.

And neither I'm I saying he said so.

And of course without she knowing, there's no point trying to guess the answers who God is and what parts He plays in the bible.
And yes I am a Spirit filled Christian, and how does one tell a Spirit filled Christian? You wouldn't know, Only because you preach another gospel.

As a spirit filled person, explain to her who God is so that others reading these thread will know too.

I use the scriptures to identify someone who has the holy spirit, the fruitage of that spirit is evident in the actions of that person . I raised ten points in which a individuals that has the holy spirit must observe if he associates with a body or organization. Your spirit has not seen anything good in any of the ten things mentioned, and if it has,it has refused to tell you to comment on it.

You don't have to lie in public, The New World Translation Bible is used by the Jehovah witnesses.
John 1:1 "In {the} beginning the word was, and the word was with God,and the word was a God.
We all know this is the most common verse of contention between the Jehovah witnesses and the Christians, your false assumption is that Jesus is not God in the flesh but Michael the archangel who became a man. And since you have denied that Jesus is divine you have altered John 1:1.
Hmmmmm What is the best way to explain this to a JW?
To understand Jesus as God on earth praying to His Father in heaven, we need to realize that the eternal Father and the eternal Son had a relationship before Jesus took upon Himself the form of a man.
John 5:19-27 "So Jesus said to them, Truly truly" I say to you, the Son can do nothing on His own accord, but only what He see's the Father doing, For what the Father does, the Son does like wise, Verse 23 "they all may honour the Son, just as they honoured the Father.
John 15:10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, Just as I have kept My Fathers commandments and abide in His Love. Jesus did not become the Son of God when He was born in Bethlehem, He has always been the Son of God from eternity past, still is the Son of God and always will be.
Isaiah 9:6 "Tell us the Son was given' and the child was born. Jesus was always part of the tri-unity along with the Holy Spirit, The tri-unity always existed, the Father God the Son God, and the Spirit God, not three God's but one God existing in 3 persons.
John 10:30 "Jesus taught He and His Father are ONE. Meaning He and His Father are the same substance and the same essence.
The Father Son and Spirit are three co-equal persons existing as God. These three had and continue to have eternal relationship.
If you knew this, then you will understand what the meaning is to John 1:1 In the King James bible.

dolphinheart:


The problem one faces when discussing with you is the fact that you dnt look at the points raised in the post you are quoting.
Can you explain what jesus himself said in the scriptures i quoted?

As to your question on john 1:1, jehovahs witnesses did not change the words to a God. To change would mean the words there where not what was there originally. You need to go and look into the translation of that verse before you believe those that accuse jehovahs witnesses of changing it.

if a person is with another person, then you are talking about 2 persons and not one, hence jesus cannot be with God and still be that same God. That jesus is a God, a mighty God is supported by the scriptures.

That jesus is almighty God is not supported by the scriptures for the scriptures and even jesus himself tells us that the father is greater, that jesus has a God, that he was giving power and authority by that God, that he is subjected and loyal to that God at all times, that at no point in time where they the same person.

Jesus did not pray to himself, he prayed to someone else, who he called the only true God. Me as I try to follow jesus, will pray to that same person through the name of the one who he sent to save us and who act as our mediator and high priest, jesus Christ.

Unlike most people who preach without opening the bible, even though they hold it in their hands, jehovahs witnesses use the scriptures extensively when talking about jesus and the one who went him, jehovah.

Jesus has a God at all times, he himself said it, identified him, told us about him and who he is, it is that God that must be worshiped just as jesus did.

brocab:
You don't have to lie in public, The New World Translation Bible is used by the Jehovah witnesses. And It say's In {the} beginning the word was, and the word was with God,and the word was a God.
We all know this is the most common verse of contention between the Jehovah witnesses and the Christians, your false assumption is that Jesus is not God in the flesh but Michael the archangel who became a man. And since you have denied that Jesus is divine you have altered John 1;1.
Hmmmmm What is the best way to explain this to a JW?
To understand Jesus as God on earth praying to His Father in heaven, we need to realize that the eternal Father and the eternal Son had a relationship before Jesus took upon Himself the form of a man.
John 5:19-27 "So Jesus said to them, Truly truly" I say to you, the Son can do nothing on His own accord, but only what He see's the Father doing, For what the Father does, the Son does like wise, Verse 23 "they all may honour the Son, just as they honoured the Father.
John 15:10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, Just as I have kept My Fathers commandments and abide in His Love. Jesus did not become the Son of God when He was born in Bethlehem, He has always been the Son of God from eternity past, still is the Son of God and always will be.
Isaiah 9:6 "Tell us the Son was given' and the child was born. Jesus was always part of the tri-unity along with the Holy Spirit, The tri-unity always existed, the Father God the Son God, and the Spirit God, not three God's but one God existing in 3 persons.
John 10:30 "Jesus taught He and His Father are ONE. Meaning He and His Father are the same substance and the same essence.
The Father Son and Spirit are three co-equal persons existing as God. These three had and continue to have eternal relationship.
If you knew this, then you will understand what the meaning is to John 1:1 In the King James bible.

I just tire for the guy oh!
Peharps he is ashamed of watchtowers alteration of John 1:1.

Yep I agree, but lets preach them the word of God.
How do we to catch out a liar-when one twist his own words.

paulGrundy:


I just tire for the guy oh!
Peharps he is ashamed of watchtowers alteration of John 1:1.

brocab:
Yep I agree, but lets preach them the word of God.
How do we to catch out a liar-when one twist his own words.

If you thinking about how to catch a compulsive liar, then you are wasting your time, because for each lie you expose, 5 more lies are produced to cover up that lie. A liar will rest only when you agree to his lie. There is this thing about humans that makes us manipulate the facts via half-truths. Misinterpretations, misreprsentations e.t.c in order to suit our preconcieved notions. You don't need to do much.

»Expose the lie with facts (one is even enough)
»Show their real motive for clinging to that lie, so that others will be wary of them.

You don't know who God is.
John 10:30 "Jesus said I and the Father are ONE.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word {Jesus describes Himself as the word} and the word was with God {Jesus describes Himself He was with God} and the word was God {Jesus describes Himself He and the Father are One}
My fruit is the word of God. Which I don't read much in you.
This is what you JW's do, you pick out one verse from a scripture and you think you know it all, without reading the rest of the chapters.
And I can prove you believe God is a man, you had written it yourself, you believe Jesus and God are two different persons.

dolphinheart:

She did not ask you that, she asked you to explain "the word was with God".


Is there difference in "the word was with God" as stated in the translations?
If there is pls let us know, and if there is not, pls let us understand what ur bible means when it stated that " the word was with God"



We all dnt know who God is.
How does the bible describe God? It depends on which God you are reffering to the God that was refered to in heb 1:8 or his God that was refered to in heb 1:9

Can you provide prove that jehovahs witnesses believe that God is a man?

Yes, I believe that jesus and God are two different persons and can provide numerous scriptures to butress my views if you ask for it. But note, if you request for the scriptural evidences, you must be ready to provide ur explanation of that particular scripture in case you have a contrary opinion to my explanation of the scripture mentioned.

And neither I'm I saying he said so.


As a spirit filled person, explain to her who God is so that others reading these thread will know too.

I use the scriptures to identify someone who has the holy spirit, the fruitage of that spirit is evident in the actions of that person . I raised ten points in which a individuals that has the holy spirit must observe if he associates with a body or organization. Your spirit has not seen anything good in any of the ten things mentioned, and if it has,it has refused to tell you to comment on it.

Then you need to read the writers post.

paulGrundy:


If you thinking about how to catch a compulsive liar, then you are wasting your time, because for each lie you expose, 5 more lies are produced to cover up that lie. A liar will rest only when you agree to his lie. There is this thing about humans that makes us manipulate the facts via half-truths. Misinterpretations, misreprsentations e.t.c in order to suit our preconcieved notions. You don't need to do much.

»Expose the lie with facts (one is even enough)
»Show their real motive for clinging to that lie, so that others will be wary of them.

Everyone can see that you have ones again refused to comment and tell us ur view of the scriptures I mentioned earlier.

You have also once again refused to tell us "how the word was with God".

brocab:
You don't have to lie in public, The New World Translation Bible is used by the Jehovah witnesses.
John 1:1 "In {the} beginning the word was, and the word was with God,and the word was a God.

Pls show to the world where I lied. Refusal to do so will show you are the one lying.

We all know this is the most common verse of contention between the Jehovah witnesses and the Christians, your false assumption is that Jesus is not God in the flesh but Michael the archangel who became a man. And since you have denied that Jesus is divine you have altered John 1:1.

Maybe you have not been listening to them and decided to create ur own view of their beliefs.

Hmmmmm What is the best way to explain this to a JW?
To understand Jesus as God on earth praying to His Father in heaven, we need to realize that the eternal Father and the eternal Son had a relationship before Jesus took upon Himself the form of a man.

And what was these their relationship o.

John 5:19-27 "So Jesus said to them, Truly truly" I say to you, the Son can do nothing on His own accord, but only what He see's the Father doing, For what the Father does, the Son does like wise, Verse 23 "they all may honour the Son, just as they honoured the Father.
John 15:10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, Just as I have kept My Fathers commandments and abide in His Love. Jesus did not become the Son of God when He was born in Bethlehem, He has always been the Son of God from eternity past, still is the Son of God and always will be.

You have just shown us that the father gives jesus commands in which jesus obeys.
The angels are likewise called Gods sons.

Isaiah 9:6 "Tell us the Son was given' and the child was born. Jesus was always part of the tri-unity along with the Holy Spirit, The tri-unity always existed, the Father God the Son God, and the Spirit God, not three God's but one God existing in 3 persons.

And not even one bible verse to back this statement up with?

John 10:30 "Jesus taught He and His Father are ONE. Meaning He and His Father are the same substance and the same essence.

But jesus and the father are not the same person!
And if they are not the same person, who does jesus call the father? Answer : his God, the only true God.

The Father Son and Spirit are three co-equal persons existing as God. These three had and continue to have eternal relationship.

They are equal and yet one is always sent by the other, told what to do and openly tells you that the other is his God.
They are equal and yet one is subjected to the other.
They are equal and yet one tells you that all authority has been giving(by the other)to him. And despite that authority , he is still subjected. They are equal and yet one says he is God of the other, and the other confirms this statement.

You belief this statement you made above and yet you can't back it up with a single bible verse that talks about their equality.

If you knew this, then you will understand what the meaning is to John 1:1 In the King James bible.

If you know what heb 1: 8,9 says then you will know what john meant by " the word(a god) was with God.
John himself must have heard what jesus told mary to tell the disciples after his ressurection, but if I quote it, you wunt read it.