paulGrundy:

I just tire for the guy oh! Peharps he is ashamed of watchtowers alteration of John 1:1.

dolphinheart:


be looking for support while not answering my post o.

You don't know who God is.

John 10:30 "Jesus said I and the Father are ONE.

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word {Jesus describes Himself as the word}

and the word was with God {Jesus describes Himself He was with God}

and the word was God
{Jesus describes Himself He and the Father are One}

My fruit is the word of God.
Which I don't read much in you.
This is what you JW's do, you
pick out one verse from a
scripture and you think you know it all, without reading the rest of the chapters.

And I can prove you believe God is a man, you had written it yourself, you believe Jesus and God are two different persons.

paulGrundy:


I Have already answered your post, you want me to say that Jesus is not God. That is the answer you are expecting.

Funny you.

dolphinheart:
@ brocab


Pls tell us who God is!

yes jesus said he and the father are one, but he also said that same father is greater than him.

Does jesus statement mean he and the father are same person? No

Does jesus statement mean he is equal to the father? No
Did jesus say he and the father are one God? No

Look at john 17 :21
that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us,
so that the world may believe
that you have sent me.

Do you see what that verse is telling us? Jesus requested that his disciples be in them(jesus and the father) just as he, jesus is in the father and the father is in him. If they(the disciples are not eventually God or jesus or equal to them when that request is fufilled, I wonder why you say jesus is equal to the father cus he said he and the father are one.

Another translation went further and translated that verse as:
I pray that they will all be one,
just as you and I are one--as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.


It was john that was making the description , the same John that recorded the statement found at john 20:17

King James Bible
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren,(john inclusive] and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Jesus has explicitly told us who is his God! And who is our God!


Gbam! . Jesus(first person), was with God(another person)
He was not that God as he was with that person called God.

That is why your bible could say in heb 1:9 the following

"You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your
companions by anointing you
with the oil of joy."

Note: 1. Jesus had companions.
2.jesus was anointed
3. He has a God.



And the word was a God just as several translation shows.
The scriptures, jesus, the disciples has shown us the relationship between jesus and the God mentioned in 1b


You that have read all the chapters , you have not been able to bring up anything contrary to what I've been saying with scripture to support it. In fact you have refused to tell ur views about the scriptures I quoted.


Pls do.

While at it, you can tell us ur view of the scriptures I quoted.

dolphinheart:
Everyone can see that you have ones again refused to comment and tell us ur view of the scriptures I mentioned earlier.

You have also once again refused to tell us "how the word was with God".


Pls show to the world where I lied. Refusal to do so will show you are the one lying.


Maybe you have not been listening to them and decided to create ur own view of their beliefs.


And what was these their relationship o.



You have just shown us that the father gives jesus commands in which jesus obeys.
The angels are likewise called Gods sons.


And not even one bible verse to back this statement up with?


But jesus and the father are not the same person!
And if they are not the same person, who does jesus call the father? Answer : his God, the only true God.



They are equal and yet one is always sent by the other, told what to do and openly tells you that the other is his God.
They are equal and yet one is subjected to the other.
They are equal and yet one tells you that all authority has been giving(by the other)to him. And despite that authority , he is still subjected. They are equal and yet one says he is God of the other, and the other confirms this statement.

You belief this statement you made above and yet you can't back it up with a single bible verse that talks about their equality.




If you know what heb 1: 8,9 says then you will know what john meant by " the word(a god) was with God.
John himself must have heard what jesus told mary to tell the disciples after his ressurection, but if I quote it, you wunt read it.

brocab:
You had denied that the JW's didn't changed any of the words around that's written in John 1:1 "and yet your New World Translation bible reads it out pretty clearly, In {the} beginning the word was, and the word was with God, and the word was a god.
It makes life harder when one like yourself isn't listening, let alone understanding any of the scriptures.
Hebrews 1:4-6 "Having become much better then the angels, as He had inherited a more excellent name then they, for in which of the angels did God ever say, you are My Son, today I have begotten you? And again I will be a father to Him and He shall be a Son to Me. And when He brings in the first born into the world, He says let all the angels of God worship Him.
Acts 13:33 "He has fulfilled for us, their children by raising up Jesus, As it is written in the second psalm, "You are My Son and today I have become your Father.
The Sons of God are not Spirits, Genius 6 is clearly man, God said My Spirit will not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh. And He said I will destroy man, whom I have created from the face of the earth, If angels were capable of reproducing as man kind does, their of spring would be spirit. According to its principle, according to its kind. portrayed in Genus 1.
What makes this statement harder, God has already told us, who He is in the Bible, John had even told you who God is, he had seen the Spirit of God descending above Jesus, but you keep on putting God on a person, Jesus is the one who became a man, God had always described Himself as a Spirit.
And if I was to be equal to my Father, I would be my Father.
New World Translation bible Hebrews 1:8-9 "But about the Son he says God is your throne, forever and ever, the scepter of your Kingdom, and the scepter of up-righteousness. Verse 9 " You loved righteousness and you Hated lawlessness, That is why thy God your God has anointed you, with the oil of exultation more then your companions.
The King James bible Hebrews 1:6-11 " And again when God brings the first born in to the world, He said let all God's angels worship Him. He makes His angels spirits and His servants flames of fire.
But about His Son He says, "Your throne O God, will last forever and ever, a scepter of justice will be a scepter of your Kingdom, you have loved righteous and you have hated wickedness; therefore God your God have sent you above all companions, by anointing you with the oil of joy. He also says in the beginning Lord you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands.
A big difference between two bibles. It shows God is talking to His Son Jesus. No wonder you are confused.

paulGrundy:


This is precisely one of the reasons I refused to engage him, he is basing his argument on a text that has been grossly distorted.

dolphinheart:


You have not.
Go back to our discussion and reply the post there.
And if you dnt want to, then explain what you understand by the words found in heb 1:9 , john 17:3 , and john 20:17 for starters

paulGrundy:


I Have already answered your post, you want me to say that Jesus is not God. That is the answer you are expecting.

Funny you.

None so what you have written makes any sense.
Jesus is the author of the book
John said In the beginning was
the word, John was talking
about Jesus not himself.

John can only be the
messenger, who prepared the
way for Christ.

Matthew 3:16-19 "John seen the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and he heard a voice from the heavens, saying this is My beloved Son. Which proves God is a Spirit God spells it out pretty clear to us in the bible, who He is, God is Spirit, God is Love, John said He had seen the Spirit of God descending above Jesus.
God is the Spirit and the Son
became flesh and the Holy
Spirit are all part of the tri-unity
meaning one God existing in 3
co-existing persons.

Understand this is not, in any way suggesting 3 God's, even the word trinity isn't written in the bible, this is a term used to describe triune God. 3 co- existed co-eternal persons to make up God.

Of real importance is that the concept represents by the word "Trinity"does exist in scripture.
This is what God says about
the trinity, There is One God
Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear "O
Israel The Lord our God the
Lord is One.
Isaiah 6:8 "And I heard the
voice of the Lord saying, "whom
shall I send and who will go for
us, Than I said, here I am! send
Me.
Genius 1:26 "God said let us
make man in our own image,
after our likeness.
Genius 3:22 "Then God said,
behold the man has become
like one of us knowing Good
and Evil.

In the bible Jesus was always knowing as the Lord, and God as the Father God. Adam said
He had seen the Lord God
walking in the garden, He never said he seen the Father and the Son walking in the garden.

Isaiah 48:16-17 "Draw near to Me, hear this from the
beginning, I have not spoken in
secret, from the time it came to
be, I have been there, and now
the Lord God had sent Me and
His Spirit. thus says the Lord
God your redeemer, the Holy
one of Israel, I am the Lord your God, who teaches you to profit, who leads by the way you should go.

Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations and baptising them in the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. All 3 are One.

Jesus needed God just as much He needed His Spirit. His power came from the Spirit.

Jesus was the son before He was born as a child in Bethlehem.

Each member of the trinity is God, the Father is God.
The Son is God John 1:1.
The Holy Spirit is God 1
Corinthians 3:16 "Do you not
know you are God's temple,
and that God's Spirit dwells in
you.

John 17:21 "Father you are in Me and I am in you.
It shows you are confused, this
scripture doesn't say we are
equal with Jesus, it says let our Spirit reside in them, He told His disciples, He will send them another helper the Holy Spirit, and He will teach them all things concerning Jesus. This is what the verse means the Spirit of God now lives in each of us who believe, like God lived in Jesus. This is the
witness to prove that God had
sent Jesus into the world. His
Spirit teaches us the hidden
secrets about the word of God.

You had denied that the JW's didn't changed any of the words around that's written in John 1:1
"and yet your New World
Translation bible reads it out
pretty clearly, In {the} beginning
the word was, and the word
was with God, and the word
was a god.

It makes life harder when one like yourself isn't listening, let alone understanding any of the
scriptures.

Hebrews 1:4-6 "Having become much better then the angels, as He had inherited a more excellent name then they, for in which of the angels did God ever say, you are My Son,
today I have begotten you? And again I will be a father to Him and He shall be a Son to Me. And when He brings in the first born into the world, He says let all the angels of God worship Him.

Acts 13:33 "He has fulfilled for us, their children by raising up Jesus, As it is written in the second psalm, "You are My Son and today I have become your Father.
The Sons of God are not Spirits,
Genius 6 is clearly man, God
said My Spirit will not strive with
man forever, for he is indeed
flesh. And He said I will destroy
man, whom I have created from
the face of the earth, If angels
were capable of reproducing as man kind does, their of spring would be spirit. According to its
principle, according to its kind.
portrayed in Genus 1.

What makes this statement harder, God has already told us, who He is in the Bible, John had even told you who God is, he had seen the Spirit of God descending above Jesus, but you keep on putting God on a person, Jesus is the one who
became a man, God had
always described Himself as a
Spirit.

And if I was to be equal to my Father, I would be my Father.
New World Translation bible
Hebrews 1:8-9 "But about the
Son he says God is your
throne, forever and ever, the
scepter of your Kingdom, and
the scepter of up-
righteousness. Verse 9 " You
loved righteousness and you
Hated lawlessness, That is why thy God your God has anointed you, with the oil of exultation more then your companions.
The King James bible Hebrews
1:6-11 " And again when God
brings the first born in to the
world, He said let all God's
angels worship Him. He makes
His angels spirits and His
servants flames of fire.
But about His Son He says,
"Your throne O God, will last
forever and ever, a scepter of
justice will be a scepter of your
Kingdom, you have loved
righteous and you have hated
wickedness; therefore God
your God have sent you above
all companions, by anointing
you with the oil of joy. He also
says in the beginning Lord you
laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the works
of your hands.
A big difference between two
bibles. It shows God is talking
to His Son Jesus. No wonder
you are confused .
dolphinheart:

dolphinheart:
@ brocab:

You yourself have said it: " john was talking" .
To give you a glimpse of who the author of the inspired scriptures is read rev 1:1

The revelation from Jesus
Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John.


It seems you are mistaken about the john we are talking about.



God is spirit and God came down like a dove, yes you can't explain who is talking in heaven.


A term that has no scriptural backup .
a co existence and co- eternal that has no direct reference in the scriptures.


You quote scriptures with no explanations.
Is God talking to himself?
Who are the others he is talking to? Are they Gods too?



So who did adam see? The father, jesus or the holy spirit .
Is the person of jesus also the person called the father?
If they are not the same person, which of them did adam see?

I dnt know which bible translation you use, but all I've read never said adam saw Lord God walking in the garden.

Second, can you tell me why you decided not to use the original word for Gods name in that verse but prefer to use "lord".



You have joined those who have deliberately removed the name of God so that their false doctrine can seem to fit the scriptures.
Unless you can prove that the Tetragrammaton in that verse Means "Lord ", ur explanation shows a desperate attempt at using the removal of Gods name to support a false doctrine.
Anyone who has doubt on what I'm saying can ask him to explain such removal.



Dnt add to the verse pls, the underlined is not part of the scriptures .


Therefore jesus is not God.


Same as all other angelic creatures in heaven, yet they are not God.


False doctrine.
1 cor 8:6
...we have but one God , the father.

John 17 :3
...... The only true God.....

Eph 4:6
...one God and father of all.

John 20:17said jesus called the father his God and our God.



So jesus is not God cus he is in the father and the father in him, just as the disciples dnt become God cus they are in God and jesus.
Gods spirit coming into the disciples does not make jesus God same as the spirit coming into the disciples does not make them God .
Who commands the holy spirit, jesus or God? The scriptures shows that jesus asks from the holy spirit from the father.
I wonder why all commands, authority, teachings, power, knowledge of future events and actions comes from the father! Maybe because he is the only true God!, the almighty!

You have shown again that you will not address the scriptures mentioned earlier which shows you who our God is and his relationship with jesus. Though I know you wunt address them, but let me add one more .
Heb 9:24
For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, so that he(jesus/first person) now appears before God(the father/

dolphinheart:
@ brocad.

The words of john 1:1 was written in greek , the new world translation translated those words into English. They did not change the words. Hope u understand the difference between translation of words and changing of words .


Yep life is hard when you dnt listen, let alone understand the scriptures.


You just quoted the verse,but you refused to explain the underlined.


Are the angels spirits?
Are they called sons of God?


And john did tell you what jesus told mary right?.
Gods spirit descended like a dove on jesus, yet another voice was heard from heaven. This shows that Gods spirit is not God!.


And yet you still refuse to explain those verses using either nwt translation or the kjv.

You are right to say God(a person) is talking to his son(another person). Therefore jesus is not the God talking there

brocab:
@Dolphinheart.
Its funny, your argument doesn't make any sense; you believe God is a person, and Jesus is the archangel, with this info, the JW's have already proven to the world Jesus is God likewise, and you don't even know it.
Hebrews 1:4-7
Exodus 20:3-5 "God say's you shall not worship any other gods before Me.
Matthew 2:1-2 "And after Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the kings and the shepherds worshipped Him.

dolphinheart:


The bible has called jesus a god, and I'm not saying it has not. But the bible has also told me on several occasions that jesus has a God. A god who sent him, commands him, anointed him and told him what to do. Jesus also confirms these by telling us who that God is.

John 17:1-3
[b]Jesus spoke these things, and raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your son so that your son may glorify you, just as you have given him authority over all flesh, so that he may give everlasting life to all those whom you have given
to him. This means
everlasting life, their coming to
know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

Heb 1:3-6(note the underlined and comment on it)
[b]He is the reflection of God’s
glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins, (a)he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. So he has (b)become better than the angels to the extent that (c)he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.
For example, to which one
of the angels did God ever say:
(d)“You are my son; today I have become your father”? And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”?
But when he again brings his
Firstborn into the inhabited
earth, he says: “And let all of
God’s angels do obeisance to
him.”.

(a) jesus is not the majesty on high, the majesty on high instructed him to sit at his right side. Therefore jesus is not almighty God or has equal authority with almighty God.
Jesus sat there only after he should loyalty to the point of death on earth.

(b)jesus BECAME better than the angels. Unless we are in the same group or are competing over something. One cannot be said to become better than the other. Note the verse did not say jesus has been better but became better!
If you feel I'm wrong , please tell us ur understanding of jesus became better than the angels.

(c) jesus inherited a name more excellent than the angels.
These shows that their was a time jesus did not have that name.
Who did jesus inherit the name from. It must surely be from someone superior to him.

(d)when was the statement made? And the answer to that question is : jesus Christ!.


Ex 20:2-5
[b]“I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You must not have
any other gods besides me.
“You must not make for
yourself a carved image or a
form like anything that is in the
heavens above or on the earth
below or in the waters under the earth. You must not bow
down to them nor be enticed to
serve them, for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation of those who hate me,....

Is jesus jehovah? No

John 4:21,22,34
Jesus said to her: “Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You
worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him.
Jesus said to them: “My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work

Did you see above who jesus called the God that the Jews know and worship? The one who told them to worship only him ? The father.

Did jesus sought worship giving to the father ?

John 4:8
In reply Jesus said to him: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”

Matt 2:1-2: pagan worshipers, astrologers, Magi from the east came to meet jesus, and you follow their practices. Well the verses did not tell us that the isrealites(shepherds) who worship God did the same thing. Dnt know why you added them.

Another verse to consider :

1 cor 11 :3
But I want you(brocab) to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God..

Well I have already answered Hebrews 1:9

John 17:3 "And now O Father glorify Me with yourself, with the glory I had with You before the world was.

John 20:17 Do not cling to Me.
It shows you have pick out
these verses just to clarify your argument, every verse has a chapter, and that chapter has a story, picking out one verse from the pile doesn't mean you have finished the chapter, it just shows us your arguments can only be led in the flesh. Without you understanding the word of
God makes life a little harder,
you believe God is a person-
you also believe Jesus is the
archangel.

Hebrews 1:5-7 "For to which of the angels did He ever say; You are My Son, today I have begotten You, again, I will be to Him a Father,And He shall be to
Me a Son, but when He again
brings the first born into the
world, He says let all the angels
of God worship Him. And of the
angels He says: who makes
His angels Spirits, and His
servants a flame of fire.
These verses tells us clearly,
God had made the angels
spirits, and He says let all the
angels worship Jesus.
What puzzles me, you believe
Jesus is the archangel Michael.
Of course Jesus couldn't
worship Himself, because God
had a Son, and God did say He
had made the angels to worship
His Son Jesus, and if you say
Jesus is the archangel; then
without having any thought God
"Is" His Son Jesus' Likewise
and the angels worship Him.

dolphinheart:
@ brocab

Good you are now trying to answer for him since he can't, or has refused to give us his understanding of the scriptures mentioned to him.

Let's look at what you have to say.

No you have not, you only quoted 2 translations without telling us why one person called himself the God of another .

"You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions"



I dnt know if its deliberate or a mistake, but these is what is recorded in john 17:3

"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ."

The kjv translated it thus :
And this is life eternal, that
they might know thee the only
true God, and Jesus Christ,
whom thou hast sent.

So I dnt know which verse you quoted, but more painful is the fact that you refuse to tell us ur understanding of any of them(both the john 17:3 you quoted and the one I quoted)


I , you , everyone reading this thread can see that you have once again refused to explain or give ur understanding of that verse. Quoting it completely is now even hard for you to do.

John 20:17

King James Bible
Jesus saith unto her, Touch
me not; for I am not yet
ascended to my Father: but go
to my brethren, and say unto
them, I ascend unto my
Father, and your Father; and
to my God, and your God.


Its only you that can explain what you posted.
Jesus was giving obeisance as the bible and jesus has always indicated that it is only the father, jehovah that must be worshiped.
Note the fact that it is God, the father, the God of jesus, the only true God that authorised this obeisance.
Jesus is not the true God, not the almighty God, not equal to the almighty God, not the father.

Another 2 verses to consider :

1 pet 1:3
King James Bible
"Blessed be the God and
Father of our Lord Jesus
Christ, which according to his(to show that God is a person) abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."

Nwt
1 cor 15 :24
"Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority
and power."

That's funny you did say you have a King James bible, along with your New World Translation.

The King James does say Adam seen the Lord God
walking in the garden.

Does this mean you don't use the king James bible, but you prefer to use a bible that's partly scriptural.

Revelation 1:1-2 "The
Revelation of Jesus Christ
which God gave unto Him, to
shew unto His servants things
that shortly come to pass, and
He sent and signified it by His
angel unto His servant John,
who bare record of the word of
God, and the testimony of
Jesus Christ, and all things that He saw. Not only John, but His other servants too.

Its funny, the JW's have been claiming Jesus isn't God in word, and yet the JW's
teachings are the opposite,
Firstly you believe God is a
person, and you believe Jesus
is the archangel Michael.
Hebrews 1:4-7 "Having
Become so much better then
the angels as He has by
inheritance obtained a more
excellent name then they, For
which of the angels did He say:
you are My Son, Today I have
begotten you. Again I will be to
Him a Father, And He shall be
to Me a Son, But when He
again brings the first born into
the world, He says "let all the
angels of God worship Him.
So if this is the case as the
word of God says, and Jesus is the archangel, He couldn't
worship Himself, and God did
say He had a Son, and He said
let all the angels of God worship
Him, and God made the angels
spirits, so this means Michael
too.
THIS LEAVES GOD
STANDING AND BECAUSE
YOU BELIEVE GOD IS A
PERSON, THEN IT WOULD
HAVE TO BE 'GOD' WHO
CAME IN THE FLESH, AND
LIVED AMONGST MEN
This is what the JW's teach,
how interesting? And you don't
even know it.

It seems you are confused about which bible has the false doctrines, when we look into the New World Translation that bible proves most scriptures have either been twisted in word, or it's been removed.

Lets look at Acts 8:37 just one of the many scriptures moved from your bible. That you call false.

If God made Jesus to be an angel then He is Spirit and In Genius 1 It does say all to their own kind.
How about asking a few of
these questions?

Maybe you could share a little light on the author who changed it from the Greek translation to English? Matter of fact do you know any of the names, who wrote your bible? Allow me to shed a little light on this subject.

brocab:
Wait you have John 17:1-3 under the false doctrine section, as well as 1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6, John 20:17 and now you are using John 17 to back up your argument..

Its no good denying what the JW's believe in. Jesus is the archangel and God is a person, you have said it yourself.

Let the hole world see you are even willing to lie against your own religion, to prove what?
That you don't believe in Christ.

You have already written the bible has false doctrines, now you are saying that John 17:3 is either deliberate or a mistake.

So how can anyone take you seriously.
Matter of fact none of your
scriptures from the New World
Translation bible match up with the word of God.

Plus you have refused to answer my questions? what
was the name of the author who translated your bible from
Greek to English?

dolphinheart:
@ brocab:


You yourself have said it: " john was talking" .
To give you a glimpse of who the author of the inspired scriptures is read rev 1:1

The revelation from Jesus
Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John.


It seems you are mistaken about the john we are talking about.



God is spirit and God came down like a dove, yes you can't explain who is talking in heaven.


A term that has no scriptural backup .
a co existence and co- eternal that has no direct reference in the scriptures.


You quote scriptures with no explanations.
Is God talking to himself?
Who are the others he is talking to? Are they Gods too?



So who did adam see? The father, jesus or the holy spirit .
Is the person of jesus also the person called the father?
If they are not the same person, which of them did adam see?

I dnt know which bible translation you use, but all I've read never said adam saw Lord God walking in the garden.

Second, can you tell me why you decided not to use the original word for Gods name in that verse but prefer to use "lord".



You have joined those who have deliberately removed the name of God so that their false doctrine can seem to fit the scriptures.
Unless you can prove that the Tetragrammaton in that verse Means "Lord ", ur explanation shows a desperate attempt at using the removal of Gods name to support a false doctrine.
Anyone who has doubt on what I'm saying can ask him to explain such removal.



Dnt add to the verse pls, the underlined is not part of the scriptures .


Therefore jesus is not God.


Same as all other angelic creatures in heaven, yet they are not God.


False doctrine.
1 cor 8:6
...we have but one God , the father.

John 17 :3
...... The only true God.....

Eph 4:6
...one God and father of all.

John 20:17said jesus called the father his God and our God.



So jesus is not God cus he is in the father and the father in him, just as the disciples dnt become God cus they are in God and jesus.
Gods spirit coming into the disciples does not make jesus God same as the spirit coming into the disciples does not make them God .
Who commands the holy spirit, jesus or God? The scriptures shows that jesus asks from the holy spirit from the father.
I wonder why all commands, authority, teachings, power, knowledge of future events and actions comes from the father! Maybe because he is the only true God!, the almighty!

You have shown again that you will not address the scriptures mentioned earlier which shows you who our God is and his relationship with jesus. Though I know you wunt address them, but let me add one more .
Heb 9:24
For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, so that he(jesus/first person) now appears before God(the father/

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check well please .....we believe in Hell but not Hell fire

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so, the lake of fire is different from hell?

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Doesn't it...........or how do u explain the things that will get burnt in the lake of fire