Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8,
Number 427:
Narrated ‘Aisha and ‘Abdullah bin
‘Abbas: When the last moment of
the life of Allah’s Apostle came he
started putting his ‘Khamisa’ on his
face and when he felt hot and short
of breath he took it off his face and
said , “May Allah CURSE the Jews and
Christians for THEY BUILT THE PLACES OF WORSHIP AT THE GRAVES OF THEIR PROPHET .”

even in his dying breath, uttered curses. Please recall Muhammad’s reason for cursing the Jews and the Christians. He said, “FOR THEY BUILT THE PLACES OF WORSHIP AT THE GRAVES OF THEIR PROPHET .” We will now address this accusation of Muhammad. We will look at the facts recorded in the Bible.

Moses and Jesus ,they are very important to the Jews, Moses to Judaism and Jesus to Christianity. As stated in Deuteronomy 34:5-6, God himself buried Moses to an undisclosed place and to Jesus,God removed His body. committing. Meaning it prevented both christians and Jews from being enticed to make pilgrimages or pay homage to such sites. It protected them from creature-worship. In contrast, what did the Muslims do with Muhammad’s tomb after his death? Muslims built a mosque on his tomb. His grave became a place for Muslim pilgrims to visit in Medina annually. The Prophet’s tomb at Medina is, after Mecca, the site most venerated by Muslims. It is visited with reverence in the hearts of the faithful. Ironically, these Muslims fell into the very class of people, upon whom Muhammad beseeched Allah’s curse.

Unlike Jehovah, Allah did not have the
wisdom or the insight to prevent the
causes that could lead to creature-
worship among his worshippers.

The 12th century work by Qadi Iyad is
highly accepted throughout the Muslim
world. Al-Qadi Iyadibn Musa al-Yahsubi
(1083 C.E.-1149 C.E.) wrote in his book
Al-Shifa’:

“Visiting his grave is part of the Sunna
and is both excellent and desirable.
Ibn `Umar said that the Prophet said,
‘My shafa’at (intercession on the
Day of Qiyamah) is Waajib
(incumbent upon me to intercede)
FOR THE ONE WHO VISIT MY GRAVE.’”

WHY IS IT THAT YOU CHRISTIANS ARE FOND OF FABRICATING POINTS
who told you muslims build a mosque on mohammed tomb mention the verse in the Quran or the hadeeth that said it
THERE ARE SEVERAL POINT IN THE QURAN THAT PROVE ISLAM AS ONE AND TRUE RELIGION, IS YOUR CHRISTIANITY IN THE BIBLE?
DONT WORRY I PROMISE TO BEAR WITNESS AGAINST YOU ON THE LAST DAY(QIYAMAT)... moreover the only HOLY QURAN is protected by GOD himself unlike like a book that have various version claiming to be a religious book
MASHA ALLAH

AND DIDNT YOU SEE LAILLAH AHILALAH BEFORE COMING TO THIS TREND? STILL YET YOU CAME.. THAT SHOW HOW MISCHIEVIOUS YOU GUYS ARE. Later na una go dey say ISLAM is a religion of violent ...rubbish

malvisguy212:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8,
Number 427:
Narrated ‘Aisha and ‘Abdullah bin
‘Abbas: When the last moment of
the life of Allah’s Apostle came he
started putting his ‘Khamisa’ on his
face and when he felt hot and short
of breath he took it off his face and
said , “May Allah CURSE the Jews and
Christians for THEY BUILT THE PLACES OF WORSHIP AT THE GRAVES OF THEIR PROPHET .”

even in his dying breath, uttered curses. Please recall Muhammad’s reason for cursing the Jews and the Christians. He said, “FOR THEY BUILT THE PLACES OF WORSHIP AT THE GRAVES OF THEIR PROPHET .” We will now address this accusation of Muhammad. We will look at the facts recorded in the Bible.

Moses and Jesus ,they are very important to the Jews, Moses to Judaism and Jesus to Christianity. As stated in Deuteronomy 34:5-6, God himself buried Moses to an undisclosed place and to Jesus,God removed His body. committing. Meaning it prevented both christians and Jews from being enticed to make pilgrimages or pay homage to such sites. It protected them from creature-worship. In contrast, what did the Muslims do with Muhammad’s tomb after his death? Muslims built a mosque on his tomb. His grave became a place for Muslim pilgrims to visit in Medina annually. The Prophet’s tomb at Medina is, after Mecca, the site most venerated by Muslims. It is visited with reverence in the hearts of the faithful. Ironically, these Muslims fell into the very class of people, upon whom Muhammad beseeched Allah’s curse.

Unlike Jehovah, Allah did not have the
wisdom or the insight to prevent the
causes that could lead to creature-
worship among his worshippers.

The 12th century work by Qadi Iyad is
highly accepted throughout the Muslim
world. Al-Qadi Iyadibn Musa al-Yahsubi
(1083 C.E.-1149 C.E.) wrote in his book
Al-Shifa’:

“Visiting his grave is part of the Sunna
and is both excellent and desirable.
Ibn `Umar said that the Prophet said,
‘My shafa’at (intercession on the
Day of Qiyamah) is Waajib
(incumbent upon me to intercede)
FOR THE ONE WHO VISIT MY GRAVE.’”

When you commit an atrocity and you want your wife to witness to your innocence. Who doesn't know that even a mad man will clear a bush towards himself. You don't try to use the Bible as your point when presenting a case of your defense. We don't believe a chunk of it.

God prevented xtians from being enticed to performing pilgrimage, then what do they go to do in Jerusalem? You and your priests bow to the picture and cross, what kind of worship is that called?

Visiting the grave of the prophet is not mandatory and no act of worship is performed in the process. It is as a lesson to instill the fact that he was a prophet and still died. To teach us the inevitability of death. And we also do so because he recommended it for us and we may be rewarded by heeding to the recommendations of the Holy prophet.

golpen:


When you commit an atrocity and you want your wife to witness to your innocence. Who doesn't know that even a mad man will clear a bush towards himself. You don't try to use the Bible as your point when presenting a case of your defense. We don't believe a chunk of it.

God prevented xtians from being enticed to performing pilgrimage, then what do they go to do in Jerusalem? You and your priests bow to the picture and cross, what kind of worship is that called?

Visiting the grave of the prophet is not mandatory and no act of worship is performed in the process. It is as a lesson to instill the fact that he was a prophet and still died. To teach us the inevitability of death. And we also do so because he recommended it for us and we may be rewarded by heeding to the recommendations of the Holy prophet.

christians don't bow down to cross, Jesus say, worship God in spirit and truth, going to Jerusalem is not to go and bow down. Muhammed accused the christians and Jews of worshipping at dead prophet tomb, All what you have to do is , provide proof from the scripture that he is right, or he will remain a liar. Thank you.

OLAJADON:
WHY IS IT THAT YOU CHRISTIANS ARE FOND OF FABRICATING POINTS
who told you muslims build a mosque on mohammed tomb mention the verse in the Quran or the hadeeth that said it
THERE ARE SEVERAL POINT IN THE QURAN THAT PROVE ISLAM AS ONE AND TRUE RELIGION, IS YOUR CHRISTIANITY IN THE BIBLE?
DONT WORRY I PROMISE TO BEAR WITNESS AGAINST YOU ON THE LAST DAY(QIYAMAT)... moreover the only HOLY QURAN is protected by GOD himself unlike like a book that have various version claiming to be a religious book
MASHA ALLAH

is the hadith fabricated ? Bring proof of this accusations made by muhammed. You don't have to bear witness against me, Jesus is my witness.

malvisguy212:
is the hadith fabricated ? Bring proof of this accusations made by muhammed. You don't have to bear witness against me, Jesus is my witness.

what are you saying... what accusation is made by mohammed and jesus will also bear witness against you like you said
is your religion even in your holy book

and what exactly is the point we you are trying to make, if it is that we worship mohammed then i can cinclude that you are either clueless or confused.

and try to study the quran...alhamdullilah their is english version of the quran so that will help you do your home work well instead of coming here and trying to confuse your self
furthermore what make you so sure that christianity is even the true way because am VERY SURE ISLAM IS.

malvisguy212:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8,
Number 427:
Narrated ‘Aisha and ‘Abdullah bin
‘Abbas: When the last moment of
the life of Allah’s Apostle came he
started putting his ‘Khamisa’ on his
face and when he felt hot and short
of breath he took it off his face and
said , “May Allah CURSE the Jews and
Christians for THEY BUILT THE PLACES OF WORSHIP AT THE GRAVES OF THEIR PROPHET .”

even in his dying breath, uttered curses. Please recall Muhammad’s reason for cursing the Jews and the Christians. He said, “FOR THEY BUILT THE PLACES OF WORSHIP AT THE GRAVES OF THEIR PROPHET .” We will now address this accusation of Muhammad. We will look at the facts recorded in the Bible.

Moses and Jesus ,they are very important to the Jews, Moses to Judaism and Jesus to Christianity. As stated in Deuteronomy 34:5-6, God himself buried Moses to an undisclosed place and to Jesus,God removed His body. committing. Meaning it prevented both christians and Jews from being enticed to make pilgrimages or pay homage to such sites. It protected them from creature-worship. In contrast, what did the Muslims do with Muhammad’s tomb after his death? Muslims built a mosque on his tomb. His grave became a place for Muslim pilgrims to visit in Medina annually. The Prophet’s tomb at Medina is, after Mecca, the site most venerated by Muslims. It is visited with reverence in the hearts of the faithful. Ironically, these Muslims fell into the very class of people, upon whom Muhammad beseeched Allah’s curse.

Unlike Jehovah, Allah did not have the
wisdom or the insight to prevent the
causes that could lead to creature-
worship among his worshippers.

The 12th century work by Qadi Iyad is
highly accepted throughout the Muslim
world. Al-Qadi Iyadibn Musa al-Yahsubi
(1083 C.E.-1149 C.E.) wrote in his book
Al-Shifa’:

“Visiting his grave is part of the Sunna
and is both excellent and desirable.
Ibn `Umar said that the Prophet said,
‘My shafa’at (intercession on the
Day of Qiyamah) is Waajib
(incumbent upon me to intercede)
FOR THE ONE WHO VISIT MY GRAVE.’”

how pathetic how can you conclude we make pilgrimage to mohammed grave...indeed you dont know whar you doing
do you know that what you just said if any muslim try it that is SHRIK in islam i.e polytheism

golpen:


When you commit an atrocity and you want your wife to witness to your innocence. Who doesn't know that even a mad man will clear a bush towards himself. You don't try to use the Bible as your point when presenting a case of your defense. We don't believe a chunk of it.

God prevented xtians from being enticed to performing pilgrimage, then what do they go to do in Jerusalem? You and your priests bow to the picture and cross, what kind of worship is that called?

Visiting the grave of the prophet is not mandatory and no act of worship is performed in the process. It is as a lesson to instill the fact that he was a prophet and still died. To teach us the inevitability of death. And we also do so because he recommended it for us and we may be rewarded by heeding to the recommendations of the Holy prophet.

salam alaykum
dont mind him the prophet already told us about them
maybe you can explain to him better like you ealier said that visiting the prophet tomb is option not that we worship it... and any muslim that try to worship the prophet or his tomb is not a muslim.

OLAJADON:

what are you saying... what accusation is made by mohammed and jesus will also bear witness against you like you said
is your religion even in your holy book

muhammed accused the christians and Jews of something they no nothing about, this make him a liar, were did he get the idea that christians and Jews worship in dead prophet tomb ?

Christianity is not a religion, God created man and man invent religion. The apostles never call themselves christians , they call themselves "brethren","disciples", "apostles", "servants","believers", "followers", "the faithful", "the elect", "the called", and "saints."

It was the pagan who first call the apostles christians because the apostles do not follow the commercial world of the pagan, The substance is not in the word "Christian", the substance is in the heart of the man it is attempting to describe, and which the pagan user cannot see.

malvisguy212:
muhammed accused the christians and Jews of something they no nothing about, this make him a liar, were did he get the idea that christians and Jews worship in dead prophet tomb ?

Christianity is not a religion, God created man and man invent religion. The apostles never call themselves christians , they call themselves "brethren","disciples", "apostles", "servants","believers", "followers", "the faithful", "the elect", "the called", and "saints."

It was the pagan who first call the apostles christians because the apostles do not follow the commercial world of the pagan, The substance is not in the word "Christian", the substance is in the heart of the man it is attempting to describe, and which the pagan user cannot see.

so are you confirming now that christianity is just a religion that someone called a certain people just because of their behaviour, what a joke!!!
THEN HOW CAN YOU BE SO SURE YOU WILL MAKE HEAVEN....I WOULD BE HAPPY IF YOU COULD CONVINCE ME... THANKS

malvisguy212:
muhammed accused the christians and Jews of something they no nothing about, this make him a liar, were did he get the idea that christians and Jews worship in dead prophet tomb ?

Christianity is not a religion, God created man and man invent religion. The apostles never call themselves christians , they call themselves "brethren","disciples", "apostles", "servants","believers", "followers", "the faithful", "the elect", "the called", and "saints."

It was the pagan who first call the apostles christians because the apostles do not follow the commercial world of the pagan, The substance is not in the word "Christian", the substance is in the heart of the man it is attempting to describe, and which the pagan user cannot see.

moreover if it is the pagans that invented the word christian or saint or what ever you call it, i think it is a more reason why you guys shouldnt call yourselves that.

OLAJADON:

moreover if it is the pagans that invented the word christian or saint or what ever you call it, i think it is a more reason why you guys shouldnt call yourselves that.

https://www.nairaland.com/2769156/should-call-ourselves-christian

malvisguy212:
https://www.nairaland.com/2769156/should-call-ourselves-christian

the link you dropped is the same explanation you giving me, what i asked was is the word christianity in the bible?
very simple and straight forward question

malvisguy212:
https://www.nairaland.com/2769156/should-call-ourselves-christian

and i didnt ask for explanation.

malvisguy212:
https://www.nairaland.com/2769156/should-call-ourselves-christian

and i didnt ask for explanation. give me points not stories

malvisguy212:
https://www.nairaland.com/2769156/should-call-ourselves-christian

furthermore from your link i should conclude that this occur after jesus death mate 300 or 400 years after he gone.....
is it not funny to you let me use an example:- imagine u were the son of god like u said jesus is then years after your enemies death some people claiming to be you follower now start bearing malvisguy2ians or malvisguy2saint or malvisguy2thecalled or whatever it is....is that not pure ignorance did you send them to bear that name? was that part of your teaching?
it is only a gullible or ignorant muslim you can convince with all this point you are postulating

OLAJADON:

furthermore from your link i should conclude that this occur after jesus death mate 300 or 400 years after he gone.....
is it not funny to you let me use an example:- imagine u were the son of god like u said jesus is then years after your enemies death some people claiming to be you follower now start bearing malvisguy2ians or malvisguy2saint or malvisguy2thecalled or whatever it is....is that not pure ignorance did you send them to bear that name? was that part of your teaching?
it is only a gullible or ignorant muslim you can convince with all this point you are postulating

listen very carefully, the word "christian " is NOT in the bible, the FIRST time this word was use, they use it to describe the apostles, the Disciples NEVER called themselves christians. Christianity is not a religion, its is a way of life, when the disciples ask Jesus to teach them how to pray, why did Jesus start with the phrase "OUR father" ? Instead of "MY father" it is because God is OUR father and we are His sons, who ever is saying this prayer, he automatically be among the sons of God, he is my brother and we are one big happy family, God is OUR FATHER. That's what Christianity is all about.

So to my question, why did muhammed accused the christians and Jews of something they no nothing about ?

malvisguy212:
listen very carefully, the word "christian " is NOT in the bible, the FIRST time this word was use, they use it to describe the apostles, the Disciples NEVER called themselves christians. Christianity is not a religion, its is a way of life, when the disciples ask Jesus to teach them how to pray, why did Jesus start with the phrase "OUR father" ? Instead of "MY father" it is because God is OUR father and we are His sons, who ever is saying this prayer, he automatically be among the sons of God, he is my brother and we are one big happy family, God is OUR FATHER. That's what Christianity is all about.

So to my question, why did muhammed accused the christians and Jews of something they no nothing about ?

give me the source of the hadith
so you accept that christianity is a religion that the pagans call the early believe....if that is true then that more of a reason why the religion is a scam...how can u call yourselves what your suppose unbelievers call you
and you didnt talk about jesus telling you to be a christian like ur unbeliver call you
please when giving your point make reference to your bible not expkanation
because that wat i think christianity is all about . A FABRUCATED RELIGION

malvisguy212:
listen very carefully, the word "christian " is NOT in the bible, the FIRST time this word was use, they use it to describe the apostles, the Disciples NEVER called themselves christians. Christianity is not a religion, its is a way of life, when the disciples ask Jesus to teach them how to pray, why did Jesus start with the phrase "OUR father" ? Instead of "MY father" it is because God is OUR father and we are His sons, who ever is saying this prayer, he automatically be among the sons of God, he is my brother and we are one big happy family, God is OUR FATHER. That's what Christianity is all about.

So to my question, why did muhammed accused the christians and Jews of something they no nothing about ?

You said the disciple never called themselves christians then why do you call yourselves that? are you even a follower of jesus? bcoz i am coz i bliv in him

OLAJADON:

You said the disciple never called themselves christians then why do you call yourselves that? are you even a follower of jesus? bcoz i am coz i bliv in him

their is MORE to gain if you believe in Jesus.

malvisguy212:
their is MORE to gain if you believe in Jesus.

please prove it to me better still convince me and i promisd to join your religion infact i will attend the same church you attend.

malvisguy212:
their is MORE to gain if you believe in Jesus.

i believe in jesus sir, he is just not my lord or personal saviour.

OLAJADON:

please prove it to me better still convince me and i promisd to join your religion infact i will attend the same church you attend.

I don't have anything to proved to you, it is the work of the holy spirit to convicte you of your sin and how you need His grace.

How do you atone for sin in islam ? Do you really believe God has a scale to measure sin ? Here what the quran say :

Sura 4:30-31, Whoso doeth that
(evil deeds) through aggression and
injustice, We shall cast him into Fire,
and that is ever easy for Allah. If ye
AVOID THE GREAT (THINGS) WHICH YE ARE FORBIDDEN ye are, We will remit from you your evil deeds and make you enter at a noble gate.

This imply that Allah will send you to hell for only great sin, little sins will be ignored. Do you think God will tolerate His law be broken so easily ? NO matter how hard you try, your effort cannot earn you salvation, if you believe , Jesus is your Lord and personal savior, your sin will not be counted, only your Good deed will be counted because Jesus has already PAID the price of your SINS. The bible say "He became sin so that we will be made righteous in Him" . But if you reject Jesus as your Lord and savior, you will be judge based on your bad deed, because you reject the plan of salvation on the cross. Remember the two thieves who were crucified with Jesus, one repented and accept Jesus, His bad deed were not mention, it was his Good deed which is recognized. If that thief would've reject Jesus, God will judge his bad deed. Ask yourself, why did Islamic doctrine denied the plan of salvation ? Which make man in perfect Holiness to God. But the option given in the quran indicate God will ignored sin. This is satanic deception.

OLAJADON:

i believe in jesus sir, he is just not my lord or personal saviour.

isn't it wonderful that God dwell in flesh and wanted to have a personal relationship with us ?

malvisguy212:
isn't it wonderful that God dwell in flesh and wanted to have a personal relationship with us ?

And kill himself to in order to forgive you?

Why must someone die, so you can be forgiven? Can't God just forgive you?

golpen:


And kill himself to in order to forgive you?

Why must someone die, so you can be forgiven? Can't God just forgive you?

can you give biblical reference of this ? If you don't understand the trinity, tell me and I will enlightened you only if you are open to discuss it with open mind.

Before the coming of christ, how is the Jews atoned for sin ? With one man sin enter the world and with one man the forgiven of sin is made.

malvisguy212:
can you give biblical reference of this ? If you don't understand the trinity, tell me and I will enlightened you only if you are open to discuss it with open mind.

Before the coming of christ, how is the Jews atoned for sin ? With one man sin enter the world and with one man the forgiven of sin is made.

Can I quote biblical references? The most famous quote of the Bible of course! John 3:16 "for God so loves the world, that He gave His only begotten son and whosoever believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life"

This biblical reference above depicts that the reason for the acclaimed death of jesus is that sins may be forgiven. That is why I asked the question, if you believe Jesus was the son of God, why should someone sin against me and in order to forgive that person, I have to kill my own son?

Firstly, it doesn't make sense, and it would never happen. Secondly, it means their isn't forgiveness. Forgiveness is when you offend me and I let go without taking my retaliation from you or anyone else,so if someone has to die before humans are forgiven, then that's not forgiveness. That's retaliation.

And then I'll ask you to let us leave it at this, because if you should go forward to explain trinity to me, you're going to shoot yourself in the leg and enter into more poo.

golpen:


Can I quote biblical references? The most famous quote of the Bible of course! John 3:16 "for God so loves the world, that He gave His only begotten son and whosoever believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life"

This biblical reference above depicts that the reason for the acclaimed death of jesus is that sins may be forgiven. That is why I asked the question, if you believe Jesus was the son of God, why should someone sin against me and in order to forgive that person, I have to kill my own son?

Firstly, it doesn't make sense, and it would never happen. Secondly, it means their isn't forgiveness. Forgiveness is when you offend me and I let go without taking my retaliation from you or anyone else,so if someone has to die before humans are forgiven, then that's not forgiveness. That's retaliation.

And then I'll ask you to let us leave it at this, because if you should go forward to explain trinity to me, you're going to shoot yourself in the leg and enter into more poo.

Let me ask you, how is sin being paid for in islam ? Do you think God who is holy and pure, who hate sin , He will ignored the little sin you commit? How did muhammed solve the problem of sin ? What was his teaching toward sin ? If you neglect how Jesus solve the problem of sin, yet you believe in this surah below , then their is satanic manipulation going on;

Sura 6:120, Forsake the outwardness of sin and the inwardness thereof. Lo! THOES WHO GARNER SIN WILL BE AWARDED that which they have EARNED.

So there is Hell to pay for great sins, but
the small sins will be overlooked if the
great ones are not committed. If you believe this doctrine, I pity you.

Sura 39:53, Say: O My slaves
who have been prodigal TO THEIR OWN
HURT! Despair not of the mercy of Allah,
Who forgiveth all sins. Lo! He is the
Forgiving, the Merciful.

This is small comfort. It is only forgiveness for the sins I have done to
hurt myself "to their own hurt". What
about my sins against other men and
God? This is exactly why Jesus confront the religious leaders in His days, They
refused to confront the holiness of God
through "new birth," so they had to make an endless list of small sins to avoid,

Al Hadis, Book 1, Chap. 7, No. 54- Ibn
Mas'ud reported that the Messenger of
Allah said: 'Don't cleanse yourselves
(wipe your backside) with impure
things, nor with bones, because these
are the provision (food) of your
brethren from the Jinn (demons)'.
Attested by Tirmizi, Nisai

I will make only brief comments. It is
enough to just read these laws in
Muhammed's legal system. I do not give
these to mock, rather; I show you the
mind of "The Prophet" of Allah. When sin cannot be paid, it is necessary to make silly little laws about the most mundane thing, like wiping your bottom after relieving oneself. Here is another such silly law:

Al Hadis, Book 1, Chap 8, No. 58-
Abdullah-b-Sarjas reported that the
Messenger of Allah said: 'None of you
must pass urine in a snake's hole'.
Attested by Nisai, Abu Daud

Why? There is no reason given. What is
Allah telling us about urine and snakes? I am curious. The serpent is the image of evil in the Word of God. Why is Allah
showing this consideration for snakes.

Now compear this doctrine of sin thought in the quran were sin can be overlook and the bible, which of this doctrine of sin make man HOLY and BLAMELESS in God sight ?

golpen:


Can I quote biblical references? The most famous quote of the Bible of course! John 3:16 "for God so loves the world, that He gave His only begotten son and whosoever believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life"

this biblical reference do not say God died, God is a spirit, God is eternal, He cannot die, who incarnate in Jesus ? God the son or God the father ? The answer is in matthew;
Matthew 6:9
9 “This, then, is how you should pray:
“‘OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN , hallowed be your name,

The father is in heaven, it was the son who incarnate in Jesus, NOTE: Jesus is a man.