So una still dey dis boateng-terry argument after three years....
See life

SIRcumalot:

my opinion hasn't change at all.
all those guyz you named above are all or have been world class players at one time during the course of the career.
I know this is dependent on your definition of world class which varies for everybody but for me they are all world class player.

For me they are all overhyped. The only world class guy was Paul Scholes others are just average to good

Terry in particular is below average just like Rio Ferdinand. Cole and Lampard were good at their peak.

Chestar5:
So una still dey dis boateng-terry argument after three years....
See life

Abi na Boateng don shame everyone of his haters in the past 3 yrs. Winning CL world cup and several laurels in that time frame. All those players they used to compare with Boateng have been found out to be scams

raumdeuter:


For me they are all overhyped. The only world class guy was Paul Scholes others are just average to good

Terry in particular is below average just like Rio Ferdinand. Cole and Lampard were good at their peak.

Ferdinand below average?

Bros are you drunk?

At his prime and before the niggling injuries he was an excellent reader of the game, good passer of the ball, excellent aerial ability and chief organizer.

Between 2002 to 2010 how many CBs were better than Rio?

olabode89:


Ferdinand below average?

Bros are you drunk?

At his prime and before the niggling injuries he was an excellent reader of the game, good passer of the ball, excellent aerial ability and chief organizer.

Between 2002 to 2010 how many CBs were better than Rio?

At no point in ferdinand career was he a good defender. he has always been below average

I followed his career from leeds and to Man utd. He was always noted for hiding behind more competent partners just like John Terry

Rio became the beautiful bride of Yakubu Aiyegbeni before Vidic came to bail him out

Rio was not good at anything

The problem England had that the players that were hyped at the club level Rio and Terry had non English players who were actually the ones doing the work(Vidic and Carvalho) but the English players(Rio and Terry) were taking the glory

Between 2002 and 2010

Nesta, Maldini Canavaro, Carvalho, Vidic, Puyol, Ayala, Thuram etc were all better than Rio

raumdeuter:


At no point in ferdinand career was he a good defender. he has always been below average

I followed his career from leeds and to Man utd. He was always noted for hiding behind more competent partners just like John Terry

Rio became the beautiful bride of Yakubu Aiyegbeni before Vidic came to bail him out

Rio was not good at anything

The problem England had that the players that were hyped at the club level Rio and Terry had non English players who were actually the ones doing the work(Vidic and Carvalho) but the English players(Rio and Terry) were taking the glory

I expect better from you really....

Playing as a CB is not about last ditch tackles, rolling on the floor or spotting a bruised lip and dirty shorts.

Ferdinand's strong points includes his technical abilities, good ball distribution, reading of the game and pace when he was a young man.

If a CB is good at reading the game there is no need for Vidic or Carvalho styled last ditch tackle. Take nothing away from from Vidic and Carvalho they were excellent defenders but Rio was a complete package with excellent aerial ability, topnotch ball distribution and superb reading of games and organising of the defence.

olabode89:


I expect better from you really....

Playing as a CB is not about last ditch tackles, rolling on the floor or spotting a bruised lip and dirty shorts.

Ferdinand's strong points includes his technical abilities, good ball distribution, reading of the game and pace when he was a young man.

If a CB is good at reading the game there is no need for Vidic or Carvalho styled last ditch tackle. Take nothing away from from Vidic and Carvalho they were excellent defenders but Rio was a complete package with excellent aerial ability, topnotch ball distribution and superb reading of games and organising of the defence.

I am not sure you watched Rio Ferdinand as much as I did. I dont live on fables, I watched him from the beginning of his career to the end and he was mediocre at everything

ball distribution, aerial ability, reading of game everything he was mediocre. The only thing he benefitted from was the English hype

Between 2002 and 2010

Nesta, Maldini Canavaro, Carvalho, Vidic, Puyol, Ayala, Thuram etc were all better than Rio as defenders. Rio wasnt good at anything in defence. I can tell you that minus the hype he is no better than his brother Anton

raumdeuter:


I am not sure you watched Rio Ferdinand as much as I did. I dont live on fables, I watched him from the beginning of his career to the end and he was mediocre at everything

ball distribution, aerial ability, reading of game everything he was mediocre. The only thing he benefitted from was the English hype

Between 2002 and 2010

Nesta, Maldini Canavaro, Carvalho, Vidic, Puyol, Ayala, Thuram etc were all better than Rio as defenders. Rio wasnt good at anything in defence. I can tell you that minus the hype he is no better than his brother Anton

I didn't see much of Rio at Westham but I followed him closely from Leeds to United and he was excellent!

Bros between 2002 to 2010 Maldini, Thuram and Nesta were in the twilight of their careers. He was on par with the likes of Vidic, Puyol and Carvalho.

E b like say na gragra defenders you like....

olabode89:
I didn't see much of Rio at Westham but I followed him closely from Leeds to United and he was excellent!

Bros between 2002 to 2010 Maldini, Thuram and Nesta were in the twilight of their careers. He was on par with the likes of Vidic, Puyol and Carvalho.

E b like say na gragra defenders you like....

What they did in these twilight of their career is more than Rio did in his entire career

I didnt see Rio at West ham too but from Leeds to Man utd to England he has always been mediocre

Below was my opinion of him 8yrs ago and still hasnt changed

dayokanu:

So what does it represent Good Players? When was the last time Wayne Rooney scored for England? 14 gols just 4 more than Klose had in 2 competitions. Those English boys, Rooney, Ferdinand, Carrick and Brown are the weakest in Man Utd.

Rio Ferdinand below average??

Egbon Dayo when is your next stand up comedy show?

elrony:
Rio Ferdinand below average??

Egbon Dayo when is your next stand up comedy show?

Rio Ferdinand is a below average defender. He has the benefit of playing alongside a defensive stalwart like Vidic that was what covered his asss

Read somewhere that Roma T. D walter sabatini has resigned? And conte has been told he must work with steve Holland, goalkeeping coach Lincoln and Fitness coach John


How true is this >>>> ibime

Below average Terry making Fifpro 11 for 4 consecutive years.......
Only defender in history to do so,No club hype,No NT win,No UCL ,No WC.......
This is what we call individual brilliance


This egbon need beating

^^Thats what we call hype. Ask any real Chelsea fan if Terry was better than Carvalho? Yet Carvalho didnt make it, It was John Terry making it. It shows its all media hype and nothing to do with on field performance

Conte is seriously denying us.

raumdeuter:


Rio Ferdinand is a below average defender. He has the benefit of playing alongside a defensive stalwart like Vidic that was what covered his asss

Hahahahaha real funny... Rio below average! If this isn't a joke then Egbon you ve lost it as usual!

Do you really know what "below average" means?

You may hate to hear or read about it but Rio is 'legendary".

elrony:


Hahahahaha real funny... Rio below average! If this isn't a joke then Egbon you ve lost it as usual!

Do you really know what "below average" means?

You may hate to hear or read about it but Rio is 'legendary".

Maybe you mean Legendarily average. Nothing describes Rio better than mediocre average. He isnt good at anything

Always benefitted from playing beside a competent central defender like Vidic

raumdeuter:
^^Thats what we call hype. Ask any real Chelsea fan if Terry was better than Carvalho? Yet Carvalho didnt make it, It was John Terry making it. It shows its all media hype and nothing to do with on field performance

This is what we say about players that were carried by the team instead of the other way around. After all Mertesacker sef get World Cup medal. If Terry was German, or he played in Barca or Bayern, he would ve won plenty UCL titles and at least one world cup. Terry didn't ve the team he needed to win titles. But individually he was one of the best CBs of his generation. 4 years in FifPro 11 no be beans.

Boateng is already 26. Yet no individual achievement!! All u have is a picture of him lifting world cup and ucl his teammates won for him...

I dont know if you can see 'reading of the game' on TV though.

Reading of the game happens off the ball. Camera follows the ball and doesn't show defensive actions of rhe ball relatively often

I think that saying ferdinand was a fantastic reader of the game if you havrnt watched him live is a scam...

lordfalcao:
Read somewhere that Roma T. D walter sabatini has resigned? And conte has been told he must work with steve Holland, goalkeeping coach Lincoln and Fitness coach John


How true is this >>>> ibime

Sabatini will leave Roma at season end. He denies he is joining Chelsea because his English is too poor.

Its a case of siddon and cross your fingers.

Griffon:
Conte is seriously denying us.

He didn't deny us....When he waa asked about us,he said ' Its not a taboo for me to join Chelsea'.....

He can't let Chelsea rumours affect Italy

raumdeuter:


Maybe you mean Legendarily average. Nothing describes Rio better than mediocre average. He isnt good at anything

Always benefitted from playing beside a competent central defender like Vidic

So your personally overhyped Agyenim Boateng got a ucl and world cup medal by playing together with mediocres like Miroslav and Lahm?

AdeLaNa1:
This is what we say about players that were carried by the team instead of the other way around. After all Mertesacker sef get World Cup medal. If Terry was German, or he played in Barca or Bayern, he would ve won plenty UCL titles and at least one world cup. Terry didn't ve the team he needed to win titles. But individually he was one of the best CBs of his generation. 4 years in FifPro 11 no be beans.

Boateng is already 26. Yet no individual achievement!! All u have is a picture of him lifting world cup and ucl his teammates won for him...

Boateng played all the games of the world cup Mertersacker was just a mascot. Thats what we always tell you. 2 times today you have made analogies that dont make sense

First Vermalean that played a single game all season and now mertersacker who was a benchwarmer

Boateng started and played a key role in the games that won the tournament

Unlike Terry who had to be suspended for his team to get success. Terry, Vermalean, mertersacker watched their team win from the stands. Boateng was on the field winning with his team and delivery top notch performance


Ask terry what he would rather win a world cup or win FIFPro

Boateng already achieved all Terry dreamed of as a footballer

elrony:


So your personally overhyped Agyenim Boateng got a ucl and world cup medal by playing together with mediocres like Miroslav and Lahm?

This is what we are talking about Did Klose Lahm play Central defence with Boateng in Bayern to win the CL or with Germany to win the world cup?

Boateng delivered a world cup and a CL on the field while Terry and co were watching their teammates do it from the bench or the stands

Show me a CL final or a world cup final where ANY EPL defender especially Terry or Rio scored this type of marks in the final

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3518089_clfinal_jpegc224522d5e992b4ea1f5a27666b9888f

Men lie, women lie, numbers dont lie

This is numbers show any rating that has Terry or Rio score a 7.9 in a CL or world cup final like Boateng did

We are waiting tick tock tick tock

raumdeuter:


Boateng played all the games of the world cup Mertersacker was just a mascot. Thats what we always tell you. 2 times today you have made analogies that dont make sense

First Vermalean that played a single game all season and now mertersacker who was a benchwarmer

Boateng started and played a key role in the games that won the tournament

Unlike Terry who had to be suspended for his team to get success. Terry, Vermalean, mertersacker watched their team win from the stands. Boateng was on the field winning with his team and delivery top notch performance


Ask terry what he would rather win a world cup or win FIFPro

Boateng already achieved all Terry dreamed of as a footballer

Who cares whether they played one match or none at all. Fact is Mertescaker has a world cup medal. And Vermealen is a trebble winner.

Besides, u are the one whose analogy doesn't add up. Mertesacker played every game(full 90/120 mins) up to the round of 16 for Germany. He was the only constant factor in Germany's defence alongside Hummels and Howedes. Besides, the whole world knows Hummels was Germany's stand out CB in the world cup. He scored a goal against Portugal. He also scored the winning goal that knocked France out. Ur Boateng was just a passenger as usual. Just another average defender to make up the 11 players on the field.

AdeLaNa1:
Who cares whether they played one match or none at all. Fact is Mertescaker has a world cup medal. And Vermealen is a trebble winner.

Besides, u are the one whose analogy doesn't add up. Mertesacker played every game(full 90/120 mins) up to the round of 16 for Germany. He was the only constant factor in Germany's defence alongside Hummels and Howedes. Besides, the whole world knows Hummels was Germany's stand out CB in the world cup. He scored a goal against Portugal. He also scored the winning goal that knocked France out. Ur Boateng was just a passenger as usual. Just another average defender to make up the 11 players on the field.

It's only an irrational person who would say the number of matches played doesn't count.

So chelsea won the league last year we can equate the influence of Hazard Fabregas and costa to those of Mikel Loftus Cheek and Remy.

If Leicester win the league you'll say the influence of vardy and mahrez is no different from Ghokan Inler and Wasilewski

Did Mertersacker and Hummels contribute to Bayern winning the CL?

Did Mertersacker or Hummels play as much minutes as Boateng?

But in your own irrational view the players who didn't play at all or who are bench warmer have the same impact on the team as a player who started the all games.

If man utd wins anything you would also say DeGea influence isn't different from Romero or Jackson borthwick

Tell people around you and watch them laugh at you

Ibime:


Sabatini will leave Roma at season end. He denies he is joining Chelsea because his English is too poor.

Its a case of siddon and cross your fingers.

that one fit be one of this publicity stunt, he wan hide his real intention. To learn English no go hard am.

raumdeuter:


Boateng was not only nominated for awards, he won trophies while on the field

Trophies like CL and world cup.

Tell us which of these John Terrible won while on the pitch playing

See, Oga Dayokanu, there's a THICK line between trolling a player/club with FACTS or throwing bants with rival clubs and making outlandish gaffes that makes one look shockingly daft. You've gone from Dimechelis ( a washed-up backup defender for Citeh) is a top defender in EPL to your favourite pastime - arguing Terry-Boatank issues.

You need to stop this annoying argument and stop placing Boatank above Terry. Show some respect to Terry goddamnit!! You always flip-flop on this issue. When Terry is involved you are quick to dismiss his individual records/honours and bring up the lame excuse of WC trophy of Boatank which Terry doesn't have, but quick to list individual honours including mere UEFA and FIFA NOMINATIONS to insult EPL defenders.

Oya let's see what UEFA and FIFA have in store for both ninjas. Let's start with FIFA. . .

Terry that you use mere nomination of Boa Constrictor to insult has actually GONE PAST THE NOMINATION STAGE (that Boatank is currently at) OF FIFA TO ACTUALLY MAKING FIFPro WORLD XI on 5 DIFFERENT OCCASIONS. In 2006, Terry DIDN'T WIN the WC, he didn't even reach the semi-final, but he made TEAM OF THE TOURNAMENT. So my questions are:


Shame no dey catch you ni that Terry didn't win a WC, but a ninja that you said BEASTED the WC finals didn't make ANY CREDIBLE SITE's WC TOTM? Not even KICKOFF Nigeria chose Boa Constrictor over Hummels who actually was the defence kingpin for Germans?

Why do you think any sane human will choose a player's ONE wonderful match to judge his ENTIRE tournament that's he's been hinging his performance on the main savior of the team, in this case, Hummels? For your mind because he imaginarily beasted a final, the defenders that were putting in dópe performances should be left out for that GP Tank?

What's your excuse of Boatank not making the team of tournament from FIFA while the lesser Terry makes it effortlessly? Don't tell me it's hype (the next line of funny defence you always switch onto). If you do, then the useless nomination you praise Boatank with is null and void!!

On UEFA. . .

Same story. UEFA gave Terry the defender of the year (generally o, not just in EPL) on 3 separate occasions, and included him in team of the year on 4 different occasions.


What are your excuses? Hype? He's overrated? If it's hype, then why can't Boatank buy his own hype? Abi his weekly wages can't afford him the hype? Or na Terry alone dey sell the hype? Terry has won this individual awards and you are here telling me about some mere nominations. When will Boatank actually make the team's line-up like Terry did?

How come the Terry you accuse of trying to truncate his team's plans and efforts is more recognized by UEFA and FIFA over the SAINT called Boatank that always plays for his team to win?

So what if Terry got red-carded in the semi-final against Barca and missed the final they later won? So what if Terry missed a PK in the UCL finals? Is he the only player to have done such? Since when is that a criteria to judge a great player? Stop these flip-flopping and lame reasons you keep bringing up. It's saddening coming from someone that has a good footie knowledge from you. This is a sort of argument I expect from Elfenomino1 the Gayner troll ( ).

UEFA or FIFA doesn't need Terry to win the WC to accord him the respect he deserved.

Puskas didn't win the WC, how many forwards that have won the WC are better than that devil?

Makele didn't win the WC, how many DMs that have the won WC have the DM position nicknamed after them?

Fernando Hierro nko? WC is NOT the ONLY criteria to judge the better player if not the likes of Torres are better strikers than Messi. For your info, Materrazzi has won the WC and UCL does it make him a better defender than Carvalho? Maldini, Van Basten, etc., are examples of legends that didn't win the WC but their achievements are never questioned.


Na this kinda argument led to Iniesta's brilliance being questioned and then got him linked with unproductivity. We need to disallow hate from beclouding our sense of reasoning. I dislike Terry VERY WELL coz of his off pitch antics but that doesn't mean I won't appreciate what he has done for the game.


I hate Looserfool FC, but I will never agree with SAF that Gerrard is not a top-top player.

My affiliation with C. Wahala (CR7) means I'll naturaly dislike Barca but that doesn't mean I don't spend long minutes on YouTube watching raw magic from Messi. There are when to draw the lines between hating and rival bants.


Let's stop these sort of arguments before we wake up one day to see someone saying Giroud is a better striker than Ian Wright based on "Goal per min STAT." Or that Ole Gunnar Solskjær was a better striker than King Eric Cantona.


So dislike Terry as much you can (I'm personally don't like him at all) but please don't disrespect what the ninja has done on the football pitch. The ninja has paid his dues in his prime and is now past his best, let Boateng reach Terry's heights first before you start rating him above him. For now, he's way behind Terry in the pantheon of great defenders!!

raumdeuter:
Show me a CL final or a world cup final where ANY EPL defender especially Terry or Rio scored this type of marks in the final

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3518089_clfinal_jpegc224522d5e992b4ea1f5a27666b9888f

Men lie, women lie, numbers dont lie

This is numbers show any rating that has Terry or Rio score a 7.9 in a CL or world cup final like Boateng did

We are waiting tick tock tick tock

Is finals the only match in a tournament? Which kind of reasoning is this? When Madrid won the UCL, CR7 wasn't the man of the match at the finals. But he was unarguably the player of the tournament and won the WPOTY coz of it. Why didn't they give more recognition to Di Maria or Bale that performed in the final more than CR7? You be Chinua Achebe's Amalinze the Cat, you always come up with strange reasons in this argument of Terry and Boateng just so you wouldn't concede defeat. How do you even rate Boateng over Terry and sleep well at night without your conscience ripping your heart apart? Take this argument to Twitter, Instagram, FB or any top site and see even Germans will tell you Boateng is not YET fit to tie Terry's shoe lace!! Abeg, I don move on from this lame comparison. You know the truth but you'll never admit it.

sinizia:


Is finals the only match in a tournament? Which kind of reasoning is this? When Madrid won the UCL, CR7 wasn't the man of the match at the finals. But he was unarguably the player of the tournament and won the WPOTY coz of it. Why didn't they give more recognition to Di Maria or Bale that performed in the final more than CR7? You be Chinua Achebe's Amalinze the Cat, you always come up with strange reasons in this argument of Terry and Boateng just so you wouldn't concede defeat. How do you even rate Boateng over Terry and sleep well at night without your conscience ripping your heart apart? Take this argument to Twitter, Instagram, FB or any top site and see even Germans will tell you Boateng is not YET fit to tie Terry's shoe lace!! Abeg, I don move on from this lame comparison. You know the truth but you'll never admit it.

The purpose of football is to stand up in those big moments. Thats why Zidanes volley in the CL final would always be one of the highlight of the CL not some random dribble in the group stages

The CL and world cup finals are the biggest football matches in the sport. In Both Boatank has beasted in both Terry has been found wanting. Thats why Boateng would ever be a more accomplished footballer than Terry. Who achieved nothing in the big stage.

Boateng won on the field, Terry won while sitting in the stand or while playing PlayStation at home

CR7 has played 2 CL finals scored in both, Messi has dominated multiple CL finals

Terry is just all hype. We real football analysts know how to separate the hype products from the real products. which is why you would never see me say anything other than flowery praises for a player like Scholes who is truly world class but would tell you every single day that John Terry, Rio Ferdinand and most of the English team are mediocre and average

Its only those who dont watch games that would follow some journalist in hyping the players. Is it not on this same NL that someone bought the hype of the English media and told us that Joe Cole was better than Schweinsteiger or is not on this page that someone told us Joe Hart was better than Neuer or that Ronney is better than Muller

Even a well respected English journalist boldly told us in 2010 that only 2 Germans would make the English 11

There is a reason England doesnt win anything, That has to do with the overhype of their players starting with frauds like Terry and Ferdinand

sinizia:

You need to stop this annoying argument and stop placing Boatank above Terry. Show some respect to Terry goddamnit!! You always flip-flop on this issue. When Terry is involved you are quick to dismiss his individual records/honours and bring up the lame excuse of WC trophy of Boatank which Terry doesn't have, but quick to list individual honours including mere UEFA and FIFA NOMINATIONS to insult EPL defenders.

Boatank is miles ahead of Terry thats a fact. The most important things in the life of a footballer are the trophies he wins.

Show me any EPL defender that has won a world cup and a CL including Terry and all the useless defenders in the EPL

The truth is EPL generally lacks football talents which is why they are always found wanting in major tournaments

When would an EPL dominated team win the world cup?

Tell us the last time an EPL based player won the top scorer at the world cup, or best player at the world cup.

I can point to several players from the leagues in Spain Italy and Germany dominating the world cup when would EPL useless players stand up for once

The only reason Terry appears good is because he has a good defender who plays beside him that covers his deficiency. Any sensible Chelsea fan would tell you Carvalho was the main man in defence while Terry is just there to assist. Same with Vidic/Rio dynamic

WHen the strong partners are not there Terry and Rio get exposed for the below average players they are