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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by urahara(m): 9:47pm On May 03, 2016
Joagbaje:


Response doesn't need to be harsh .



Check this out

Matthew 18:8
8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.



Mutilation or maiming is an act of physical injury that degrades the appearance or function of any living body.

Courtesy. Wikipedia


Or also amputating.


I am the one who needs a good dictionary grin
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by urahara(m): 9:49pm On May 03, 2016
Image123:


They both end up in the hospital despite the varying and even contrasting degree of sickness, that is the analogy. Do you know what an analogy is?

But i am asking if they are going to be tortured na.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by wirinet(m): 9:49pm On May 03, 2016
chubbyswit:
rubbish from a confused human being

What he wrote is the secrets of most spiritual hearings, it is called the placebo effect. Have you heard of the placebo effect? If you give 100 people suffering from the Same illnesses chalk or even horse piss to drink, a small percentage (less than 5%) will get cured, while the majority would not feel the effect of the placebo. It is the same thing that happens in crusades and miracle services, out of thousands of people with one pain or the other, only very few will get healed due to faith in the pastor - placebo effect, majority will go in the same condition they came, a few would be worse off.

It is the few that got healed that will serve advertisement of the power of the pastor. It works overtime.
It is like 100 people going to a doctor and the doctor only heals 5, would you consider the doctor a good doctor?

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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by chubbyswit(m): 9:58pm On May 03, 2016
wirinet:


What he wrote is the secrets of most spiritual hearings, it is called the placebo effect. Have you heard of the placebo effect? If you give 100 people suffering from the Same illnesses chalk or even horse piss to drink, a small percentage (less than 5%) will get cured, while the majority would not feel the effect of the placebo. It is the same thing that happens in crusades and miracle services, out of thousands of people with one pain or the other, only very few will get healed due to faith in the pastor - placebo effect, majority will go in the same condition they came, a few would be worse off.

It is the few that got healed that will serve advertisement of the power of the pastor. It works overtime.
It is like 100 people going to a doctor and the doctor only heals 5, would you consider the doctor a good doctor?
can you read what you just wrote? Gosh! Is this what atheists call common sense? #spits#
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by analice107: 9:58pm On May 03, 2016
montezz:

Did u see it happen? Was it recorded in a video clip or written? Why is not happening in Nigeria? Oh... Our men of God ain't as strong as the whites?
Yes, i saw it happen. Between 11 to 12 noon. October 19, 1999. Total Experience, Liberation Stadium Port Harcourt Rivers State. I was sitting two chairs to the isles. An Hausa Beggar, crippled and shriveled legs sitting on a Bores, was just two chairs away from me. They were the only ones allowed on the isles because they couldn't sit on chairs. There's no way you can call what he had legs, they were too tiny and dry to carry his weight, but right there, before my very eyes, in the broad day light, as if he was under some power surge, he started trembling, he fell off from his Bores, and like some invincible hand was pulling him out, and all of a sudden, he was getting up, wobbling as though he will fall, some ushers wanted to hold him up but the pastors around shouted for him to left alone. That Huasa beggar who rolled himself into the stadium, rose up and walked to the podium where Pastor Chris was. He was only aided to climb the stairs to the Podium.
No special prayer was offered for him, no pastor prayed for him, as a matter of fact, Pastor Chris was just singing. I was shouting, i was crying, i lost my voice that day.
until the day i die, i will never forget that day.
meanwhile, am not a Christ Embassy Member, so am not saying this to promote the church. i attended that programme and i witness this.

just go on fighting God, you wont regret it though.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by wirinet(m): 10:02pm On May 03, 2016
chubbyswit:
can you read what you just wrote? Gosh! Is this what atheists call common sense? #spits#

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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by analice107: 10:03pm On May 03, 2016
nynbrada:


I'm doing good ooO. The Lord has been gracious to his servant.





My sister at times we just get busy with the other side of things{ministry n biz}, but whenever i'm less engaged be sure say i go show for church naw.





Gbaam! Your head dey there.






Dat one too sure, our Baba no dey come last for dat one. May his name be blessed for ever more.

Nothing do you my sister, take good care and God bless.
You too beloved.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by analice107: 10:06pm On May 03, 2016
Blackfire:



*raise up my hand*.

Can i be his father?
He will sure need a father figure around. That Son of mine has really grown fast, see the questions he asks. pls step in and show him the way. Thank you for volunteering.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by analice107: 10:14pm On May 03, 2016
wirinet:


This post of your only shows you are not fit to be a mother. You mean you left a toddler with a naked flame because you were distracted by the father? What if the flame cause permanent injury to the toddler or worse, killed the toddler? Won't you be held responsible ? Instead you callously blame the innocent toddler.

I am still in shock at what you wrote. Are you saying , that as a mother, you bare no responsibility whatsoever for the welbeing and safety of your children? Most mothers would put themselves in harms way to save their children. If your son locks himself in a room and kills himself, then you are a terrible mother. You did not care to find out why he is suicidal, it might probably due to your wickedness and lack of love.
Thank you very much uncle Wirinet.
You are so eager to judge and condemn, that you didn't take time to read through the post. How can i ask him to remember when we went to the village if he were a toddler? did you think of that, did you hear me mentioning any naked flame?
You see? Even right now, you have made choices but the craftiness of your mind wont let you take responsibility.
Deuteronomy 30:15,19 See, I have set before you this day life and good, and death and evil. I call heaven and earth to witness this day against you that I have set before you life and death, the blessings and the curses; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live for if you choose death, you shall die, thou and thy descendants.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by analice107: 10:16pm On May 03, 2016
swaggzo:



I'M NOT THE ONE YOU SHOULD BE QUOTING COMICAL WRITINGS TO, ITS NOT REALLY MY TYPE OF THING.
Whatever. I thought you quoted me first
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by urahara(m): 10:17pm On May 03, 2016
analice107:

Yes, i saw it happen. Between 11 to 12 noon. October 19, 1999. Total Experience, Liberation Stadium Port Harcourt Rivers State. I was sitting two chairs to the isles. An Hausa Beggar, crippled and shriveled legs sitting on a Bores, was just two chairs away from me. They were the only ones allowed on the isles because they couldn't sit on chairs. There's no way you can call what he had legs, they were too tiny and dry to carry his weight, but right there, before my very eyes, in the broad day light, as if he was under some power surge, he started trembling, he fell off from his Bores, and like some invincible hand was pulling him out, and all of a sudden, he was getting up, wobbling as though he will fall, some ushers wanted to hold him up but the pastors around shouted for him to left alone. That Huasa beggar who rolled himself into the stadium, rose up and walked to the podium where Pastor Chris was. He was only aided to climb the stairs to the Podium.
No special prayer was offered for him, no pastor prayed for him, as a matter of fact, Pastor Chris was just singing. I was shouting, i was crying, i lost my voice that day.
until the day i die, i will never forget that day.
meanwhile, am not a Christ Embassy Member, so am not saying this to promote the church. i attended that programme and i witness this.

just go on fighting God, you wont regret it though.



Yes o. I saw it happen on the month of october 2014. Right before my perfectly evolved 2 eyes. Dunamis church garki , abuja . this deaf and dumb boy came unto the podium. The man of god dr paul enenche casted and binded and bi ded . commanded the foul spirit of deafness and dumbness to come out from the boy. But all his casting and binding, was to no avail. As the boy was neva healed. All the pastor could say was"this spirit is a family spirit "
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 10:21pm On May 03, 2016
wirinet:


Omo, see ignorance being advertised. where did you read that the big bang started 4.6 billion years ago?
Who told you that the earth suddenly evolved from a conglomerate of chunks into continents and ocean and atmosphere etc due to collision and radioactive decay ? I even wonder what the gibberish you wrote above means. Are you sure you are sober or mentally stable, i suggest you test for cerebral malaria. To cap your ridiculous understanding of cosmology, you said you got A writing this trash.

If you need basic education on the big bang theory, a kind nairalander has provided free lessons here -https://www.nairaland.com/3080255/physics-seun-understanding-scientific-theories .

Take this advantage to educate yourself and stop spewing ignorance about.

i did not say that the big bang was 4.6billion years ago, the big bang is said to be like 14billion or so years ago. i clearly said that earth evolved(or is said to have evolved) about 4.6billion years ago. Read carefully.
You likely don't know much about the "story"apart from what you probably read on the internet, we paid and were taught, examined and graded. No be grade myself, no vex. The thing/gist is that the formation of planet earth is a part of the process that allegedly began with the big bang "creation" of the universe. The two of them are birds of the same feather, they are not reasonable. Reading back at my post now, i realize i did not break that down and state the proper context, probably leading to your poor comprehension.
On earth formation, ask your science friends(telling you to get a formal education on it may be expensive and time consuming) physics, earth science etc who have being taught about how the world/planet earth was formed. They will explain to you how earth evolved from a conglomerate of chunks due to some collision and radioactive decay. i'm not too magnanimous today to help break it down or make it formal for you.
You see you also wondered with me the gibberish, the very reason why i said it is not reasonable. That is the paraphrase of what they are saying about the beginning of the earth, which is a process occurring after the initial big bang stuff of the universe. Thanks for the link sent, i skimmed through, not too different from what we were taught. That is just the start BTW, that's the Universe. However, it shows the same point i have made, it is unreasonable.
Understand my context of the use of that word by the way. When i say something is unreasonable, i'm not exactly saying it is untrue. i use the word in the atheistic context of logic, analysis, rational, commonsense, scientific. In the same vein i can say that the Resurrection or any Biblical miracle is unreasonable. Though that would likely offend my people. But in context, what i am saying is that it is not commonsense or something one can rationalize. If you read textbooks and researchers and scientists on the big bang and formation of the planet etc, they will talk about likelihood. They don't say it with all the new found confidence we hear especially when used as a tool against creationism. They make inferences and most likely, probable, possible explanations of what they think occurred. It's mainly imaginative and not assertive.
The big bang is relied on by faith, nobody is really sure. It is just the current best and probable explanation of how the universe started. Tomorrow, new discoveries and theories can be made.
i'm not for or against the big bang theory. What i know is that whatever way it happened, God created Heaven and Earth. What atheists try to say is that the process happened without God, that's where we majorly disagree. In summary, the big bang is a belief thing, the most sensible explanation by science. However, even the explanation make no scientific sense, it is more of a miracle. Matter don't just collide and form planets and stars and oceans and planets etc .
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 10:22pm On May 03, 2016
urahara:


But i am asking if they are going to be tortured na.

Do you want them to be tortured?
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by analice107: 10:29pm On May 03, 2016
SirWere:


The main bulk of your post nowadays seems to center on you preaching impending doom and hell messages; which was not so before.

And I'm not TELLING you, I'm just giving an advice. Nairaland is NOT real life.

And yeah, I got the sacrcasm.
Sirwere, there's an impending doom.
Look around you. If you ask me, i can be sure to tell you that the Antichrist has been born and is growing up somewhere warming up for the take over. You think its a joke?
See all of you guys fighting very hard for many more people to fall off from faith, its a fulfilment of the scripture. There's no time that knowledge has increased the way it has increased now. Checkout the level of iniquity in the world today. See how Christians are being killed by Muslims, Jesus said, this time will come that when the Christians are being killed by beheading, the killers will think they are doing God a service. Is it happening?
You think its a Joke? Doom is at the door. The trumpet may sound even this night. And then you guys will take over the world and rule it to the fullest, but only for 7years though.

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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by wiegraf: 10:30pm On May 03, 2016
Joagbaje:


It doesn't connect .

Do you honestly believe this?
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by urahara(m): 10:31pm On May 03, 2016
Image123:


Do you want them to be tortured?



Your analogy essentially says that no matter the seriousness of the disease . u gats get treated in the hospital. This u related with hell in saying that no matter how small ur sin is u must surely get tortured.

............... Xtians trying to use logic to explain their illogical beliefs since 30 ad
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by analice107: 10:32pm On May 03, 2016
Blackfire:



well i like the way u tell the 'mother story' .. Well packaged with meaning.

I watched you in all your conversation with so many people.. Literally by your side.

I still need my jellof rice from u o.

I admire your versatility
Can you eat my Jelof rice? Its so peppery. Oh yea you can, You are Yoruba.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by analice107: 10:34pm On May 03, 2016
Blackfire:



well i like the way u tell the 'mother story' .. Well packaged with meaning.

I watched you in all your conversation with so many people.. Literally by your side.

I still need my jellof rice from u o.

I admire your versatility
Thank you, at least i have one person on my side. See the mudsling thrown at me? No shakes.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by analice107: 10:36pm On May 03, 2016
urahara:




Yes o. I saw it happen on the month of october 2014. Right before my perfectly evolved 2 eyes. Dunamis church garki , abuja . this deaf and dumb boy came unto the podium. The man of god dr paul enenche casted and binded and bi ded . commanded the foul spirit of deafness and dumbness to come out from the boy. But all his casting and binding, was to no avail. As the boy was neva healed. All the pastor could say was"this spirit is a family spirit "
And your point?
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by NiRfreak(m): 10:36pm On May 03, 2016
nynbrada:


Pot calling kettle black. I would have brutalised you with ad homenim if not for your respectful approach.

Now i counsel that you grow some brain and reread the post and see if you can dissect the deeper layer of truth for which the question was intended.

Help yourself.
Understanding that story doesn't require rocket science. If your deduction after reading the story is that: " he believes in God while writing the narrative", then there's no point waisting my time with you......done.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 10:38pm On May 03, 2016
frank317:


Hmmm .... Paul prayed three times for a need, David's son died even after praying for him, the bind man in the posters case didn't receive his sight despite all the prayers. Yet there are many more similar cases as u stated. Just one question... What is the lesson to be learnt from unanswered prayers? What is God's objective for not answering prayers?
You might say we don't know God's mind right? This answer (if u use it) is synonymous to "it has no objective".

But can't u just see beyond the box? It's just coincidence. Good and bad thing happens to anybody... No one is special, I mean if u claim to be a special child of the almighty creator, with access to all the goody goodies promised in the Bible... Why are u still living in the uncertainty of this world. Why would God not heal the blind man and still not tell the pastor anything?

No excuses... God be like... "I wil not chose to answer, even if u pray down fire, even if u have faith bigger than mountain, I will only answer at my own time and I own u no explanation. But if u get frustrated, I will burn u in hell"

Remind me why u guys worship God again.

i don't know if there is any lesson. People take away different things at different times from an event. Maybe that God is sovereign. That you do not know something does not necessarily mean that "it has no objective". Do you know all things?
Good and bad thing happens to anybody, that is clearly stated in the Bible. God promised that bad things will only stop when He 'launches' the new earth and new heaven. On our earth here, good and bad things happen and tears are not yet wiped away. That is my point that it is not a new discovery but clearly taught in the Scriptures. That someone became an atheist at discovering this shows he did not look well before he leaped, he did not read the fine prints of the contract. He was probably inclined to the popular 'prosperity gospel' that teaches that once you give your life to Christ, its jolly jolly all the way. Jesus came to save people from sin, all the rest is addition and probability. Though of course, there are some laid down laws and principle that if obeyed will bring results. e.g giving laws, diligence, planning, importunity etc.
Also, children of God are special, like in the sense that God is likely to give them preferential treatment ahead of others if He is to act. If i do something well and pray, and you do something well and don't pray, i will get a better result than you. If i pray as a christian, and you pray as a sinner, i will get a expected answer to my prayer before you. Then, God wants us to trust Him, instead of demanding an explanation for His actions. That's the way He is, just saying.
We worship God because He is Creator and Lord of our lives.

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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 10:42pm On May 03, 2016
urahara:




Your analogy essentially says that no matter the seriousness of the disease . u gats get treated in the hospital. This u related with hell in saying that no matter how small ur sin is u must surely get tortured.

............... Xtians trying to use logic to explain their illogical beliefs since 30 ad

The analogy said cancer and stomach ache are treated in the hospital despite being contrasting in severity. In hell, all sinners go there despite the contrast in severity of sin. Oh Lord, open his brain.
In the hospital they don't all get the same treatment or feel the same pain. In hell likewise, they don't all get the same treatment or feel the same pain.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by AccidentalGenius: 10:42pm On May 03, 2016
These christians have they ever stopped to wonder why their so called god would kill and torment people just because of freewill? Not believe this bull crap? The same fairytale that says hes forgiving also says he'll send nonbelievers to hell. Why would a normal human being with functioning brain not question such idiocity and babaric act of dictatorship and bloodshed? Sending people to a so called hell to burn in eternity? Im a human being and sometimes im forgiving to people to harm me but for a so called god to eternally torment someone because he doesnt believe his cock and bull story should make any sane person realise just how stupid it sounds if only theyll allow themselves think. Look around you, africa is a hopeless continent that wont grow anytime soon because they refuse to do away with such silly beliefs. Really think about it, a good guy goes to hell because he wont accept christ. Really christians? Does that make sense to you? Think for once. Again youll notice only people seamlessly laced in poverty have such beliefs because theyre desperately looking for a better life or money so they look to the unknown for a so called miracle. The christians mock the muslims and the muslims mock the christians. Find a purpose for your life and be a good person. Life is precious. Dont live it as a hypocrite

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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by tohpahz(f): 10:42pm On May 03, 2016
HardMirror:

I am not here to teach comprehension. If you have trouble understanding "contexts" then try and develop your comprehension ability.

Lol.. stop d defence mechanisms
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 10:44pm On May 03, 2016
seemples:


But you wouldn't know that till he's been positively identified. He remains fake as is.

If you say so. You are quite a suspicious person. Anyway, seeing some of his other threads like the one he lied outrightly in the name of sarcasm, i understand your distrust. But again, i think he is telling the truth.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by tohpahz(f): 10:44pm On May 03, 2016
NiRfreak:
I know everyone wants to appear smart here..... asking and defending childish questions with insults wouldn't make you smart.

Some question can be childish and annoying in some intellectual context. Ask more thoughtful questions here.
K.. I'd kip asking for wat I said.. u nid it.


Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 10:45pm On May 03, 2016
AccidentalGenius:
Life is precious. Dont live it as a hypocrite

Don't die as a sinner, Jesus loves you.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by AccidentalGenius: 10:48pm On May 03, 2016
Image123:


Don't die as a sinner, Jesus loves you.
my parents love me more. Thank you.

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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Nobody: 10:56pm On May 03, 2016
analice107:

Yes, i saw it happen. Between 11 to 12 noon. October 19, 1999. Total Experience, Liberation Stadium Port Harcourt Rivers State. I was sitting two chairs to the isles. An Hausa Beggar, crippled and shriveled legs sitting on a Bores, was just two chairs away from me. They were the only ones allowed on the isles because they couldn't sit on chairs. There's no way you can call what he had legs, they were too tiny and dry to carry his weight, but right there, before my very eyes, in the broad day light, as if he was under some power surge, he started trembling, he fell off from his Bores, and like some invincible hand was pulling him out, and all of a sudden, he was getting up, wobbling as though he will fall, some ushers wanted to hold him up but the pastors around shouted for him to left alone. That Huasa beggar who rolled himself into the stadium, rose up and walked to the podium where Pastor Chris was. He was only aided to climb the stairs to the Podium.
No special prayer was offered for him, no pastor prayed for him, as a matter of fact, Pastor Chris was just singing. I was shouting, i was crying, i lost my voice that day.
until the day i die, i will never forget that day.
meanwhile, am not a Christ Embassy Member, so am not saying this to promote the church. i attended that programme and i witness this.

just go on fighting God, you wont regret it though.
IT HAPPENED IN A STADIUM SURLY.THEY MUST HAVE A VIDEO OF IT SOME WERE PLS CAN U FETCH IT FOR US??
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 11:05pm On May 03, 2016
HardMirror:

Healings can come miraculously thru several mean. You can use the name of anything. If today I claim that the water coming out from my tap is healing water and people believe in it. All I need is enough people to take the water and at the end call for testimonies. Be sure that you will hear lots of testimonies.
You just have to make your premise something people can believe in absolutely even if it is based a a big fat lie. It does not matter. Then have a wide spectrum of people put their faith in it.

If I have 1000 sick people. Have various degrees of infamity drink the fake healing water. I am sure we will get about the same number of testimonies as having 1000 people let pastor chris pray for them.

It still works for me.
I trick people close to me into getting healed. Could tell them to drink water and convince them it is no ordinary water. Or make vegetable concoction soup and claim it is medicinal and you see people getting back to their feet in no time. Depends on how convincing you are and how their body responds to the illness. It does not always work just the way prayer in jesus name does not always work. Success rate is about the same frequency.

There are psychosomatic sicknesses that can also be cured psychosomatically, or what they call placebo effect. Even music has some healing "powers". fruits do, water does etc. Medicine also does cure. There are different means to cure. The presense of one means does not negate the other or make the other unreal. Some people for instance will not sleep or stop having headache except they take two tablets of paracetamol. It has to be two or nothing. They expect to be well after that and it works most times. Some people receive healing when they are laid hands on them or pour oil on them, or they hear a big man of God say their problem. If he does not mention their problem, nothing in the prayer for them. Different strokes for different folks. Like Jesus said, " it is unto you according to your faith". Howeveer, there are some healings that are purely miraculous and not usually achievable by the above means. You either need to have the gift of healing or God Himself just intervened in mercy. Those ones do exist. The most important miracle in God's eyes is that of salvation of souls, which He gives SURELY to anybody that asks. Others depend on a combination of factors.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 11:06pm On May 03, 2016
AccidentalGenius:
my parents love me more. Thank you.

Are they christians?
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by dankol: 11:06pm On May 03, 2016
In the light of the antagonism against irreligious persons, i have decided to share my story too, hmmm.. its time to face the world dankol, are you ready..... lol
https://www.nairaland.com/3084510/faith-facts-collection-thoughts-experience#45289531

Check it out wirnet and as many who are interested. but then, please be polite and constructive in your criticism. thanks in advance

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