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Lol

God and Satan are 2 sides of the same coin called photon. You are an embodiment of both.

eBillionaire:
God and Satan are 2 sides of the same coin called photon. You are an embodiment of both.

Please elucidate further. I don't quite get you.

Lets see

They will avoid this thread like plague...


whoever those believe in supernatural power is either an idiot or trying to become 1...


Let's hear their opinion...

peace..

Bottom line, you are not an atheist because of jazz.

UyiIredia:
Bottom line, you are not an atheist because of jazz.

I never said I was an atheist, I said I am on my journey to becoming one, but I still have some unanswered questions which are holding me back - Which is the reason why I created this thread.

Johndon22, your portion for hell fire go huge pass one of those abandoned mansions in Gwarimpa or Lekki . Any small thing why did you become atheist na johny Why did you do this or that in reference to atheism na Johny.

What is atheism? And, havent u seen Christians who don't believe in the supernatural?

Juju , just like God, is a contradiction in terms.

Juju is supposed to be the possession and display of supernatural powers.

Just like God, we have never in a stadium been serviced with a display of supernatural juju.
Everything about juju, just like God, is dem say, dem say.

If juju was real, the world's technological, military and economic superpowers would be a roll call of super juju Nations.

We had juju, but few oyinbo men sailed thousands of miles across the seas to steal our sons and daughters for hundreds of years ?

And they walked right back to take all our land, our resources, gave us medicine to heal out sick, showed us better ways to plant our crops, etc. Etc.

Nonsense.
Just like God, we invent the myth of juju to scare ourselves.
Nothing more.

GrizzlyBear i don't understand, do you want me to tender a rational explanation for some of the instances you gave or tell you there is nothing like Juju?

By the way: Belief in spirity power has nothing to do with being atheistic and some atheist do believe such superstitions...

What is it exactly would you have me do here brother?

johnydon22:
GrizzlyBear i don't understand, do you want me to tender a rational explanation for some of the instances you gave or tell you there is nothing like Juju?

By the way: Belief in spirity power has nothing to do with being atheistic and some atheist do belief such superstitions...

What is it exactly would you have me do here brother?

Do you already have a rational explanation for the instances I gave? If you do, please do tender it.

Do you believe there is nothing like juju? If you don't believe, why don't you?

@GrizzlyBear sorry to say, their answers may not gratify your genuine curiosity. Most Atheist are very confused still seeking for answers themselves.

OP I don't believe in juju.

All I know about said juju is just stories like you told here with no way to verify, so how can I be sure you are saying the truth or that people who claim to see juju in action were not hallucinating?

plaetton:
Juju , just like God, is a contradiction in terms.

Juju is supposed to be the possession and display of supernatural powers.

Just like God, we have never in a stadium been serviced with a display of supernatural juju.
Everything about juju, just like God, is dem say, dem say.

If juju was real, the world's technological, military and economic superpowers would be a roll call of super juju Nations.

We had juju, but few oyinbo men sailed thousands of miles across the seas to steal our sons and daughters for hundreds of years ?

And they walked right back to take all our land, our resources, gave us medicine to heal out sick, showed us better ways to plant our crops, etc. Etc.

Nonsense.
Just like God, we invent the myth of juju to scare ourselves.
Nothing more.

Mtcheeew ...

GrizzlyBear:
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Hello Grizzlybear,

When a question is not well elaborated, it should not be a wonder if it gets not proper answer. Your question builds on the premises that Atheist do not believe in Juju, which is of course erroneous.

Someone can very well believe/know of Juju without believing in God(s) in general and in particular as presented by major religions.

Juju or occultism, may just be the unknown side of Science. Or knowledge which is yet to be scientifically uncovered. The fact that something has not yet been attested by official science, does not negate the possibility it exists.

To be clear, some ancestral lineages/schools may have knowledge of certain laws of nature, which can enable one to achieve extraordinary feats. Such schools/lineages may then seek to preserve this knowledge and pass it on only via initiation. It has nothing to do with believing in god(s) or not.

There are such schools that are well known and documented. S. C. of the M.P. (Neikung) is a good example of such a school, which via circumstances was exposed to the general public. And it was then discovered and proven they had a secret book of steps to reach a degree of power unfathomable by man. The master was tested by scientists including nobel prize awardees.

To be clear, most stories of Juju miracles magic have logical explanations and are superstition. But when they are genuine they may just be a vast name for what is yet unknown to some.

By the way, I do not see myself as an Atheist, although I may as well be seen as one.

Greetings.

Oluwaseytiano:
What is atheism? And, havent u seen Christians who don't believe in the supernatural?

This is hilarious . Anyway , deists believe in God but feel that there is no such thing as supernatural intervention or interference - you may be referring to them .

Hi OP I will like to ask about what you saw while growing IN YOUR PRESENCE they shot someone several times and u stood there looking you must be superman
Men I went to one of the most notorious uni in nigeria but all my four years in school all i heard was tales like this buh yet hitmen still died by the GUN
Juju no dey

rawgame:
@GrizzlyBear sorry to say, their answers may not gratify your genuine curiosity. Most Atheist are very confused still seeking for answers themselves.

If you refer asking you or your god to prove his existence being confused, I guess we are trully. And we ll be until he does

KingEbukasBlog:


This is hilarious . Anyway , deists believe in God but feel that there is no such thing as supernatural intervention or interference - you may be referring to them .

Av seen Christians who don't believe in juju, FACT.

freecocoa:
OP I don't believe in juju.

All I know about said juju is just stories like you told here with no way to verify, so how can I be sure you are saying the truth or that people who claim to see juju in action were not hallucinating?

So according to you, I was hallucinating when I saw the guy not get injured by the bullets and I was also hallucinating when I saw the picture of my friend's legs?

How about the NL doctor who through a scan, saw moving insects on the insides of a girl? Was he also hallucinating too?

GrizzlyBear:


So according to you, I was hallucinating when I saw the guy not get injured by the bullets and I was also hallucinating when I saw the picture of my friend's legs?

How about the NL doctor who through a scan, saw moving insects on the insides of a girl? Was he also hallucinating too?

I didn't say you were, I asked how I can be sure you weren't.

It's just your words here and you must know that's not enough to go by in matters like this.

Grizzlybear, I am searching for my path, jut like you and still on the road to self discovery..
But I think Johnydon22 and cloudgoddness can do justice to it

plaetton:
Juju , just like God, is a contradiction in terms.

Juju is supposed to be the possession and display of supernatural powers.

Just like God, we have never in a stadium been serviced with a display of supernatural juju.
Everything about juju, just like God, is dem say, dem say.

If juju was real, the world's technological, military and economic superpowers would be a roll call of super juju Nations.

We had juju, but few oyinbo men sailed thousands of miles across the seas to steal our sons and daughters for hundreds of years ?

And they walked right back to take all our land, our resources, gave us medicine to heal out sick, showed us better ways to plant our crops, etc. Etc.

Nonsense.
Just like God, we invent the myth of juju to scare ourselves.
Nothing more.

The master returns...

freecocoa

freecocoa:
I didn't say you were, I asked how I can be sure you weren't.

It's just your words here and you must know that's not enough to go by in matters like this.

while trying to prove smart, you are actually showing ignorance with your post above.


there are some medical cases in which medical practitioners sense the influence of black powers in the condition of some patients , would you say this doesnt exist too ?

GrizzlyBear:


So according to you, I was hallucinating when I saw the guy not get injured by the bullets and I was also hallucinating when I saw the picture of my friend's legs?

How about the NL doctor who through a scan, saw moving insects on the insides of a girl? Was he also hallucinating too?

Just so you know, atheism has NOTHING to do with juju or any supernatural forces.

Most atheists do believe in it while most believe not.

The way we all reason is quite different. Just as some whites in gun factories put together, some stuffs to make a bullet and a gun, an african man/woman can also put some stuffs together to make "ayeta" "egbe" or "afeeri".

All this are done based on how well you can use your brain(you dnt need any god to make that work).


The logic is as simple as ABC.

So, my dear broda, if this question is what's gonna determine your decision, yu may end up making wrong decision.

#dropspen

GrizzlyBear:


Do you already have a rational explanation for the instances I gave? If you do, please do tender it.

Do you believe there is nothing like juju? If you don't believe, why don't you?

Well to start first of all, yes i am one of those who don't believe in the spirity juju claims, for very straight reasons.

For anything to be displayed in a television it must be directly a picture of the television, we don't see pictures in the t.v and say

"You see this picture? out of all the pictures in this television that one is actually alien from the television and is super-television image"

So too is the relationship between things manifesting in nature and the idea of supernatural. . .Anything manifesting within nature is nature, if there are ghosts and they can actually appear in this natural world then they are completely natural.

Thats why i like the name superNATURAL. . it speaks a lot, still Natural but super, in fact all of nature is super so there is nothing special in that word

I have always said "People would believe any idea rooted on their ignorance"

The only time people invoke Juju, spirity, supernatural is when they lack the fundamental information regarding what actually happened, it's almost like they are only invoked as a place holder for ignorance.


Take for instance the doctor instance you gave, you are inclined to believe it's juju simply because you had no idea how it happened.

If we all subscribe to that line of thought humanity would still be primitive and sadly naive, i am sorry to use such blunt words.

That you had no idea how it happened means you don't not juju which in fact is as vague as vague can get...

The things we term juju, black magic or any other ridiculous term people may curb out for it are simply a simplistic way of filling up ignorance with absurd fearful superstition, vague ideas.

A simple probe would actually reveal what really is.

Have you watched a magic show before? they perform incredible feats that are fascinating and out of the world but simply probe further than meets the eye everything falls apart, once the tactics behind the illusion is unraveled it becomes useless.

I will pick your stories one after the other, show the holes in some, explain in my own understanding (since i wasn't there) some of the instances.

But before i proceed i will also want to emphasize the blatant naive misconception here.

[b]Atheism has nothing to do with Juju/spirity beliefs.

Atheism doesn't mean disbelief in spirits, No! atheism simply means disbelief in God.

whether you believe in juju or not is blatantly independent of it ..

Juju/jazz or anything or other superstitions around them can be independent of belief in God.

One can believe such thing and be an atheist as long as such a person does not believe in any God.

One can still believe in a God and not juju/jazz stuffs... so you see?

Do not equate atheists as people who do not believe in juju that is wrong, Atheist is just a word labeled on those who don't believe in God(s)

What ever it is you believe or not believe after that is your own cup of personal tea.

there are some atheists who buy the juju beliefs only that majority of we atheists in this 21st century tend to lean towards science as the most reliable way of truthful deductions and so we tend to dismiss the juju claims.

I only want to correct this first since your questions were actually based on that wrong premise of "atheist not believing in juju" here you have it, some do…
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Now i will pick your stories one after the other, i will give my personal rational explanations to it, expose some holes, but in no way claims my opinions are absolutely true.

you need not agree to them, i won't even argue here.

I will address them from the perspective of an atheist who don't believe in Juju things, an atheist who does probably will agree with you that juju exists but no God(s)

Barristter07:

freecocoa



while trying to prove smart, you are actually showing ignorance with your post above.


there are some medical cases in which medical practitioners sense the influence of black powers in the condition of some patients , would you say this doesnt exist too ?

Only in Africa explains why most black politicians abandon our hospitals for western ones when they fall sick.

to avoid such imbecilic unprofessionalism.

GrizzlyBear:


Please elucidate further. I don't quite get you.

Beloved you have good heart. I was once in ur state of mind hence I am passionate about you. Pls the truth is Jesus. Go 4 it. One of d greatest trick of devil is Atheism and only Fools fall for it.

Oluwaseytiano:
Av seen Christians who don't believe in juju, FACT.

Oh ... I understand now .. Cool