adsonstone:


Why has it become so easy to say these lies against me...
You cant admit your own wrong (you dont even see it) yet, you keep seeing others who dont agree with you as 'wrong'.

I never claimed we are infalible (on our own), I claimed we are infailible with the Holy Spirit's guidance.
You said you (the catholic church) compiled 73 books for the bible (after removing deuterocanonical books you considered apocrypha) and you want everyone to follow what you compiled cos you feel thats right. You said myself and Kumuyi cannot agree on what the bible is (of course, we both agree on 66 books of the bible that does not contain all the deuterocanonicals including the ones you accepted and rejected-considering them apocryphal).

Regarding the bold,
I never insited they were not catholics after Chukwudi44 labelled two catholics out of about five church fathers I listed.
The same Jerome you claim is a catholic, is the same the orthodox claim he is (he even spoke against the said books you mentioned the catholic compiled).

If I may ask, why are you hypocritical on these issues?

dnt mind italo. He wants u to get angry and say what u ought not. He is an accuser. Just allow him to remain in his ignorance. GOD will deliver him someday. I believe that.

chukwudi44:

Bros I did not just label two.all the people you listed were catholics.That Jerome opposed the deuternocanons does not make him protestant or orthodox as both forms of christianity did not even exist during his life time.Jerome lived during the period of development of canon and so many other people disgreed about the authenticity of not just those 7 books but several other books in the bible.

You dey mind person wey dey live to lie lie?

Ukuts gp: we dnt pray to apron and bow down to it ok.

Why should I believe you?

Catching up on this thread now, I am amused that when the Roman Catholics here have been caught in their initial lies some of them are using style to introduce new ones.

Ah,about Jerome: if the Roman Catholic Church organisation had "canonised" the Bible at the synod of Hippo in 393, why was Jerome then ignorant of that fact? Imagine that Jerome, a whole "church father" did not know that his "church" had already canonised the Bible!

Oh, and of course over 100 years later, even "pope" Gregory I did not know that his own church had canonised the bible at the Synod of Hippo of 393! And as late as the 16th century, the Roman Catholic "cardinal" Cajetan did not know that his church had canonised the Bible at the Synod of Hippo -- such that Cajetan also said that the apocrypha was not part of the biblical canon.

How can we explain this?

Easy-peasy! The Roman Catholic apologists are lying when they say "they" "canonised" the Bible at the Synod of Hippo!

When the Roman Catholic organisation people truly set their own canon in the 16th century, they placed a curse/anathema on people who disagreed with their canon!

Simple, God loves variety
Genesis 11
The Tower of Babel

11 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As people moved eastward,[a] they found a plain in Shinar[b] and settled there.

3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

John 17:21
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. The request of Christ to the father upon the cross which will be fulfilled at the appointed time.

How does the tower of babel brought different denomination? What is ur point?

kcjazz:

The Bible did not originate from the Catholic Church. Compiled by circumstance Yes but not originated. The Bible is God inspired. Be mindful of your choice of words.

That said, if indeed the great commission is your goal, then avoid this cockiness of one mother church. God created his people to be unique, the Bible as a manual and belief that Jesus died and loves you. You can never get people to love Jesus by being cocky, yes the Catholic Church is best for you but be tolerant enough to understand that others grow their faith differently.

Remember, the goal is to live a good life for Christ and make heaven. In heaven, no denominations, get used to your Christian brothers and sisters now.

If you say "The Bible" did not originate from the Catholic Church, I will categorically say that you do not know the history of The Bible.

-Need I tell you that the Catholic Church existed over 300 years before the Bible?
-Need I tell you that Jesus gave apostle Peter the mandate to head His Church, which is the Catholic Church?
-Do I need to confirm to you that each inspired writer's book was a separate book and that the Catholic Church collated these books and bound them into one book and gave it the name BIBLE?
-This may hurt you but it is the absolute truth that, ALL the authors of the NEW TESTAMENT are Catholics. Read the history of each author for confirmation.

Having pointed out the above facts, I wish to earnestly appeal to you to accept the teachings of the Catholic Church as the authority whenever you are in confusion on any biblical issue. Also, note that the teachings/works of the Church did not end when the Bible came into being. Many teachings of the Church have come up and many will still come up, as the Holy Spirit directs.

May the peace of the Lord be with you all.

-

jamace:


-Need I tell you that the Catholic Church existed over 300 years before the Bible?

-Need I tell you that Jesus gave apostle Peter the mandate to head His Church, which is the Catholic Church?

-Do I need to confirm to you that each inspired writer's book was a separate book and that the Catholic Church collated these books and bound them into one book and gave it the name BIBLE?

-This may hurt you but it is the absolute truth that, ALL the authors of the NEW TESTAMENT are Catholics. Read the history of each author for confirmation.

BIBLE- Compilation of Scriptures, Epistles and Other inspired Books. (Agree or not, that is the TRUTH!)

If you say the catholic church existed years before the bible that's a LIE (half-truth).

Why: Some of the books making up the bible existed thousands of years before the catholic church.

Regarding the bold, this is same lie catholics go about spreading (You guys can even say Jesus was a catholic!, no lie is hard for you guys)
You always claim all apostles were catholics, that's untrue, they are part of the christian church.

The same way, the orthodox christians claim Mark was an Orthodox christian, infact, He is regarded as the first patriach.

I know that hurts because its the truth....nothing hurts more that the truth.

Ukuts gp: Dont tell me u are talking about catholic, because catholic have many controversial teaching that are contrary to the scripture which are under serious debate throughout the world.Dont tell me u are talking about catholic, because catholic have many controversial teaching that are contrary to the scripture which are under serious debate throughout the world.

If they are contrary to the scripture why is she still standing after 2000years? Why is the catholic church still united? Can you hear yourself at all?

italo:

The bold is a lie. All Peter's teachings are not in the Bible. Infact, only a tiny fraction of their teachings are in the Bible.

Most of their teachings were by oral tradition.

Agreed?

underline oral and tradition. These two cannot be seperated,because the Bible cannot contain everything there is to know

adsonstone:

Beginning to doubt the genuineness of the Bible is a turn off and a total waste of time for any Christian (I don't know what else will be his guide for the Christian life if what he follows is not genuine)


Oral tradition or not, we have what we have (and I believe its all we need) in the Bible. If there were other things we needed (from the oral tradition you stated), it must have also been included in the bible.

You are a bush person, for how can you expect oral and tradition be included in the Bible? Is it possible to put down all what you did from childhood? All your traditions,both the ones you met on ground and those you created too? Abeg go sleep joor

Eberex:

You are a bush person, for how can you expect oral and tradition be included in the Bible? Is it possible to put down all what you did from childhood? All your traditions,both the ones you met on ground and those you created too? Abeg go sleep joor

Bro, I think you don't even understand what you quoted before you posted your reply.

Eberex:

If they are contrary to the scripture why is she still standing after 2000years? Why is the catholic church still united? Can you hear yourself at all?

I shouldn't be the one to start teaching you that united people prevail even when practicing the wrong thing.

Take for example: The builders of the tower of babel were united in doing what God was against and nobody could stop them except God Himself.

Hinduism as a religion has survived for centuries (with unity) even when we all know that it is not the true religion (most probably against God's will) because we know fully well that God wants all humans to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9).

So, get more points bro!

jamace:

If you say "The Bible" did not originate from the Catholic Church, I will categorically say that you do not know the history of The Bible.

-Need I tell you that the Catholic Church existed over 300 years before the Bible?
-Need I tell you that Jesus gave apostle Peter the mandate to head His Church, which is the Catholic Church?
-Do I need to confirm to you that each inspired writer's book was a separate book and that the Catholic Church collated these books and bound them into one book and gave it the name BIBLE?
-This may hurt you but it is the absolute truth that, ALL the authors of the NEW TESTAMENT are Catholics. Read the history of each author for confirmation.

Having pointed out the above facts, I wish to earnestly appeal to you to accept the teachings of the Catholic Church as the authority whenever you are in confusion on any biblical issue. Also, note that the teachings/works of the Church did not end when the Bible came into being. Many teachings of the Church have come up and many will still come up, as the Holy Spirit directs.

May the peace of the Lord be with you all.

-

My brother if you will be humble enough, then I can tell you that your posts here has really indicated that you know little about bible history. I dont even know where to start with you. I dont know how you guys lack this knowledge despite this age of enlightenment.

only the truth can set us free.

We have different Christian denominations and doctrines because man is always seeking out ways to please himself. Man wants to do things his own way. That was how sin came into the world. Adam and Eve decided to do things their own way even after God had instructed them on what to eat and what not to eat. Man now invent worship that will attract and please people. They forget that true worship is not something arbitrary or something that can be concocted. But rather it is based on the heavenly model.

What do you believe?

Ukutsgp:
Why do we have so many different doctrines in churches today? Is the bible not one? Is God not one?.

Some will say pay tithe others will say no need. Some will say ladies can wear trouser others will say ladies should not wear trouser. Some will say, ladies must cover their hair others will say ladies should not cover their hair in church. Some will say, there is hell other will say there is nothing like hell fire. Some will say God is three in one others will say God is only one. Some will say u can pray through mary and jesus others will say pray only through jesus christ. Some will say fast others will say no need to fast. Some will say the earth shall be turned into paradise other will say there is no such thing, that we will all leave earth to heaven in the last day. Some will say give your first fruit offering other will say there no need for that anymore. Some will say we should worship God only on saturday which is the sabbath day others will say it is on sunday we should worship God. Some will say no christmas others will say there is christmas. Some will say christians can marry more than one wife other will say they cannot. Some say you can wear earing and fix nails others will say you must not wear earing and fix nail(for ladies). Some say you can do blood transfusion and take drugs others say you cannot do blood transfusion and take drugs that all you need is to apply faith. etc.

Somebody tell me, is this not confusion?. Hw can we know the truth now. Or who have a clear answers to the above different doctrines peddles by different denominations today. I wonder sha!

God help me o.

Your Church obeys no other name other then the Catholic Church, Christ is not named the head author of your Church, Mary is-and you are preaching to us.
Jesus said unless one is born again he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. And you Catholic's refuse the word of God, knowing your hearts are darkened away from the truth. You believe their is one God, good even the demons believe.

jamace:


If you say "The Bible" did not originate from the Catholic Church, I will categorically say that you do not know the history of The Bible.

-Need I tell you that the Catholic Church existed over 300 years before the Bible?
-Need I tell you that Jesus gave apostle Peter the mandate to head His Church, which is the Catholic Church?
-Do I need to confirm to you that each inspired writer's book was a separate book and that the Catholic Church collated these books and bound them into one book and gave it the name BIBLE?
-This may hurt you but it is the absolute truth that, ALL the authors of the NEW TESTAMENT are Catholics. Read the history of each author for confirmation.

Having pointed out the above facts, I wish to earnestly appeal to you to accept the teachings of the Catholic Church as the authority whenever you are in confusion on any biblical issue. Also, note that the teachings/works of the Church did not end when the Bible came into being. Many teachings of the Church have come up and many will still come up, as the Holy Spirit directs.

May the peace of the Lord be with you all.

-

brocab:
Your Church obeys no other name other then the Catholic Church, Christ is not named the head author of your Church, Mary is-and you are preaching to us.
Jesus said unless one is born again he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. And you Catholic's refuse the word of God, knowing your hearts are darkened away from the truth. You believe their is one God, good even the demons believe.

Just your opinion. The sad thing is that you people do not even know what you are protesting against. The fact remains that Catholic is the Church, all others are imitations!

The Catholic Church compiled the scriptures and called it "The Bible" and you accepted it as the gospel truth.
The Catholic Church says lets celebrate Christmas, your church follow celebrate;
The Catholic Church says lets celebrate Easter, your church follow
The Catholic Church says lets worship on Sunday, your church follow
The Catholic Church says ---------etc etc (too numerous to list)

Come back home, ye prodigal sons!

Firstly your Church has proven facts you are the imitators, you hide behind the Catholic Church. None what so ever believe in Christ as the bible tells you to believe, none are baptised under Christ, none are born again Christians, so what part of the bible do the Catholic's follow?
The bible was written in Hebrew then the Greeks and later Latin-from there men of great courage had rewritten it to English, risking their own lives, in saving millions to Christ. While the Catholic Church would hunt them down like dogs-ready for their slaughter, yes you have murdered innocent Men Women and Children-raping them Molesting them and burning them to the steak, only because they shared the truth about Christ.
Because the Catholic's have change their worship from the Sabbath day to a Sunday, they did it to disobey God's commandments.
Its the Catholic Pope's who has followers like you, worship the Sun-day, not worship on the Sunday.
Theirs a difference between the two Churches-Sun-day pagan worship, which the Catholic do, and Sunday Holy worship that true Christian do. If I choose to follow after the beast I will sit beside you.

jamace:
Just your opinion. The sad thing is that you people do not even know what you are protesting against. The fact remains that Catholic is the Church, all others are imitations!

The Catholic Church compiled the scriptures and called it "The Bible" and you accepted it as the gospel truth.
The Catholic Church says lets celebrate Christmas, your church follow celebrate;
The Catholic Church says lets celebrate Easter, your church follow
The Catholic Church says lets worship on Sunday, your church follow
The Catholic Church says ---------etc etc (too numerous to list)

Come back home, ye prodigal sons!

brocab:
Firstly you Church with proven facts you are the imitators, you hide behind the Catholic Church.
The bible we have accepted, and everything that's written, even thus the bible was written by men who had walked away from your Church.
Pagan religion does not go with the truth of Christ.
Some celebrate Christmas on the 25th Dec, and others don't, but worship Jesus around Mar-Apl..
Because the Catholic's have change their worship from the Sabbath day to a Sunday, they did it to disobey God's commandments.
Its the Catholic Pope's who has followers like you, worship the Sun-day, not worship on the Sunday.
Theirs a difference between the two Churches-Sun-day pagan worship, which the Catholic do, and Sunday Holy worship that true Christian do.
If I choose to follow after the beast I will sit beside you.

LOL My brother, it is not by force to interpret the Bible o. This is the more reason many of you have been led astray. Get the truth from the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and save your soul. Stop going to business churches, where the pastor will entertain you with sweet talk and empty your pocket in the name of prosperity! This is my last word to you! Have a nice day.

Save my soul into whom? Get what truth, the Catholic Church preaches another gospel.
As we all know the Catholic Church is the most riches Church on this planet, and your saying the rest are business Churches.
Purgatory is one of the riches hogwash stories I have ever come across, pay your way out of Hell.
But the Catholic's use this hogwash story to make billions from innocent people who have been taught these stories, I can't see the difference between a prosperity preacher, and your priest who teach such rubbish.
And this all started from the Catholic Church, I believe you

jamace:
LOL My brother, it is not by force to interpret the Bible o. This is the more reason many of you have been led astray. Get the truth from the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and save your soul. Stop going to business churches, where the pastor will entertain you with sweet talk and empty your pocket in the name of prosperity! This is my last word to you! Have a nice day.

brocab:
Save my soul into whom? Get what truth, the Catholic Church preaches another gospel.
As we all know the Catholic Church is the most riches Church on this planet, and your saying the rest are business Churches.
Purgatory is one of the riches hogwash stories I have ever come across, pay your way out of Hell.
But the Catholic's use this hogwash story to make billions from innocent people who have been taught these stories, I can't see the difference between a prosperity preacher, and your priest who teach such rubbish.
And this all started from the Catholic Church, I believe you

Explain the sentence in bold

Simple, in four words,
...Because of tithe collection!

And as the bible teaches, tithe collection today by any church is un-christian, against the new law, thus unlawful, un-holy, a scam, a FRAUD. Remove tithing today as taught by the bible and i bet you, churches, doctrines, denominations will evaporate faster than a blink of an eye.

Churches today are a bedlam of confusion, lack genuinty, quest for supremacy and power, self-centered, unethical, immoral, vile, deceptive, money oriented, fraudulent, exploitative, blackmailing, scheming, irritating, nauseating, NOISSSSSSSSYYYYYYYY etc, etc.

But most significantly, most are not Christ-like. They lack and do not practise the Truth, which is constant - THE PRESENCE, GUIDANCE AND DIRECTIVES OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!

You can't understand the English language, then you are hiding the truth.

Eberex:


Explain the sentence in bold

Why do Churches have different gospels and denominations.
Simple because many of them are running away from the truth. They either don't believe, or they half believe-Jesus would prefer them to be Hot or Cold-not lukewarm, many say I love Jesus-but refuses to follow after His word-Just like the atheist they have heard about Christ, but that's as far as they will go.
Think about it: we all write the truth about Christ either on this forum' etc, and we point out the word of God as its written, and still we have been persecuted by other denominations in Jesus name. "Don't forget" we had been warned by Jesus these things will come to pass.
Matthew 10:22 "You will be hated by everyone because of Me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Matthew 24:9 "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, then you will be hated by all nations because of Me.
Many demonstrations focus more on the facts about Church buildings, then they believe the truth about Jesus, many say they know Christ but refuses to obey His commandments. One must be born again before he can enter into the Kingdom of God.
How many denominations do we see, who are born again Christians. "ONE" These are the true Christians who are Spiritually filled with the Holy Spirit, like in the day's of the disciples, we are the next generation that carries on the word of God, we are the ones who are learning each day about the truth in Christ, we are the ones who stand firm in the truth and the life, we are the ones who spread the truth around the nations-because the truth resides {Lives} in each of us.
Hot-Cold and Lukewarm Christians, Men Women and Children are butchered alive slaughtered, because "Christ" warned us this will happen.

jamace:
Just your opinion. The sad thing is that you people do not even know what you are protesting against. The fact remains that Catholic is the Church, all others are imitations!

The Catholic Church compiled the scriptures and called it "The Bible" and you accepted it as the gospel truth.
The Catholic Church says lets celebrate Christmas, your church follow celebrate;
The Catholic Church says lets celebrate Easter, your church follow
The Catholic Church says lets worship on Sunday, your church follow
The Catholic Church says ---------etc etc (too numerous to list)

Come back home, ye prodigal sons!

just passing. Not every1 do celebrate easter and xmas as u said cos it's not biblical. Easter does nt mean resurrection whl xmas is quite different 4rm the birth of Jesus. All these was error that was brought to christainity and many accepted it.

Bograd83:
just passing. Not every1 do celebrate easter and xmas as u said cos it's not biblical. Easter does nt mean resurrection whl xmas is quite different 4rm the birth of Jesus. All these was error that was brought to christainity and many accepted it.

And the Bible was error too because the word Bible is not in the Bible?. Is it?

Bograd83:
just passing. Not every1 do celebrate easter and xmas as u said cos it's not biblical. Easter does nt mean resurrection whl xmas is quite different 4rm the birth of Jesus. All these was error that was brought to christainity and many accepted it.

Thats your opinion.

Ukutsgp:
If any catholic member can answer this, i wud rest my case. The question is, did anybody in the bible ever ask mary to pray for him or her? Waiting 4 ur answer.

u shud be ignored but i will show u where Paul said dat u shud Hail her .... Romans16:6

You twisted {Romans 16:6} your way of speaking it sounds more like a lie, then any truth. Greeting isn't praying.
Greet Mary or salute Mary doesn't mean Hail Mary. This rubbish can only come from the Vatican.

Patheos:



u shud be ignored but i will show u where Paul said dat u shud Hail her .... Romans16:6

PastorOluT:
Simple, 'cos we all understand things differently, and not forgetting the devil's factor

But I have this to say irrespective of ur denomination, ur relationship with God should be utmost!

One thing and only one thing is needful, do not be deceived by the devil into getting too much attached to the things of the world. The devil is so subtle that he get you too busy even with good things and activities of religion, but not that which is needful. You major on the minor and minor on the major, and before you know it you have spent your life on the wrong things and it is too late.

But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me. And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou are careful and trouble about many things. But one thing is needful: And Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.
Luke 10:40-42

Stay blessed and remain rapturable

It's simply because Yahweh is Satan, the author of confusion