engrchykae:
humans only do what is right when they something to be afraid,never appeal to a man's gratitude but to his selfish interest.
my point is humans would be worse than what is obtainable today without religion especially Christianity,Buddhism,Hinduism,
even though these religions preach peace and non-violence and also enjoys a cult following,yet we have crimes and wickedness going on,
u will not want to imagine what I will turn to if am sure there is no God,

AmenRa1:


Why bother being good at all?
1. I know what it feels like to be harmed or cheated or lied to, so I empathize with others and try not to harm, cheat, or lie to them.
2. When my empathy is overwhelmed by my own selfishness or greed, I get real human consequences from those around me.
3. Like most people, I want to be liked and respected by those around me, not held in contempt.
4. I don’t want to be looking over my shoulder to see if those I’ve hurt are coming after me. If I treat people well, I can relax.
5. The cooperation and goodwill of those people around me makes my life easier.
6. I have self-respect, which is based in part on how I treat others.
7. I don’t want to be punished for breaking the rules of the society in which I live.
8. I can’t really ask others to behave morally if I don’t behave morally myself.
Some reasons are lofty and some are down to earth. Some may also be in the Bible, but they don’t rely on scripture or God they simply make sense. I can figure them out. In fact, moral development experts say most people figure out the ethical principles that make for a moral life not from books or teachers but through their own interactions with others on the playground, on sports teams, in their families, and in other social groups before they’re out of elementary school. These principles don’t guarantee my good behavior, but neither does any religious doctrine. In both cases, whenever a person loses his or her moral sense, plenty of other people and social institutions are willing to straighten that person out. Everyone makes moral decisions large and small a hundred times a day.And when those decisions are made well, everyone benefits.

Image123:
cloudgoddess the humanist atheist who runs from me. Make i book space jare.

KingEbukasBlog:
Another anti-religion thread . Another blatant accusation .

Atheist countries are suffering terribly while Christian countries are the richest in the world .

naijadeyhia:


The question was about TRUTH and not about GOOD. However if you interchange them then why would you as an Atheist say truth is good when it could as well be bad especially if you know you could be killed for telling the truth or given life imprisonment?

If the only way to escape certain punishment was to lie like your life depended on it would you?

tecmon:
Respect to Delish pot, 4 everGod and Kilo4sur.e, much respect though you guys have exceeding grace, yes , grace and time to sit and discuss and argue with a monkey. someone who believes his ancestors were monkeys should pls go to Ape planet and leave Nairaland alone, Nairaland is for humans ! An atheist came to court to campaign for a special day for atheists, since all other world religions have their own holidays, so the Judge told him that atheist already have their special day, Ps 14 vs 1 says that April 1st is their day !

AmenRa1:

Am I the one you are making this question? Or U should be asking yourself base on Ur Biblical moral code??

@Ur question m not a Christian that gets into life threatening situation so y should it matter? If I do lie the guilt will follow me even though m free! Unlike a Christian that could just ask for forgiveness and wash away her sins with the blood of Jesus and gbam it's forgotten

naijadeyhia:



Now you are speaking my language. At the bolded, why would you feel guilty for lying? You said if you lie the guilt would follow you even if you are free. Why feel guilty for lying?

This is about you and nowhere did i mention Christian. My question began with "AS AN ATHEIST" of which you are one. So your answers are coming from an atheists perspective. So why feel guilty for lying?

AmenRa1:

Because of the moral molecule in my brain oxytosin

eph12:

You can do better than this. I see you a new atheist on the block. When a guy tells a girl there is no one like her does that mean she's the only girl existing?
I have seen better and more convincing arguments but you sounding like a learner which is not actually a bad thing though

How did u get one like u somehow managed to ignore the verses thay says I am the only God. Na wa for u theist. Are u guys this dumb in real life?

naijadeyhia:


But how does Oxytosin tell right from wrong? Its not Alive! It may as well be right by saying wrong is right and right is wrong. Why is laughter Joy and tears sadness? Why are tears nor Joy and laughter sadness?

I hope you follow my drift

You also need to understand that Oxytocin is only secreted when people cuddle and not before. So it does not trigger emotions, rather emotions trigger it so it isnt responsible for emotions.

ghostofsparta:
AMOSNONYU I can't begin to type it all over again, let me refer cloudgoddess to this post

dblackninja:


Just to make things clear,
I think you're alone on this one.
Tribalism is not only about the 3 major & other tribes in Nigeria. Is not only about ethnicity... it encompasses a lot of things. So once again, you're alone on this one.

Proffdada:

Stupid utterance, Galileo died from heart attack, no one killed him

And he died in his comfort of his room or under arrest go read ur history abeg.

naijadeyhia:


You are an Atheist! Does truth matter to you? You have no moral code remember? So why are you trying to "face the truth". You may as well say anything and claim its the truth so why hold on what you just said as being the truth?

4everGod has said he does not want to engage you simply because he believes its not necessary and you conclude that he has no point to make? He simply did not want to waste his time as the thread is meaningless to him thats all.

So back to my question. Does truth matter to you? why?

AmenRa1:

Discovering “moral molecules” and mirrors in your head
Science has only recently begun to really plumb the depths of the incredible three-pound blob of jelly that is the human brain. And one of the things research is uncovering is the complex, evolved mechanism humans have that reinforces their morality. The role that the oxytocin molecule plays in sexual attraction and arousal has been known for a while, as well as its role in maternal feelings and bonding between people. But recent studies have also shown an important connection between oxytocin and moral behavior. When oxytocin is released, trust goes up and fear recedes. Individuals are more likely to feel empathy for others and therefore more likely to behave morally towards them. Subjects were 80 percent more likely to make generous decisions in simulated scenarios after getting a nasal injection of oxytocin. And on the flipside, it turns out psychopaths are bad at producing oxytocin. So it makes sense that Paul Zak, one of the top researchers in this area, calls oxytocin “the moral molecule.” A moral molecule would be a big hit with natural selection, of course, because fear and mistrust prevent societies from flourishing, whereas cooperation, empathy, and trust help them survive and thrive. Okay,I’ve saved my favorite for last: the mirror neuron. In your head are some neurons that fire whenever you do something. Pick up a marble, yawn, or slam your shin into a trailer hitch, and these neurons get busy.Scientists have known this for a long time. But in the past decade or so, they’ve discovered that these same neurons also fire when you see someone else picking up a marble, yawning, or slamming a shin. They are the reason you wince when you see a car door slam on somebody else’s fingers, and yawn when someone else yawns. They’re called mirror neurons, and they have the powerful capacity to make you feel, quite directly, what somebody else is feeling. You probably see where I’m going with this. The implications are huge. Mirror neurons make people vulnerable to the experiences and feelings of others. They go beyond sympathy (the concern for someone else’s well-being) to empathy the ability to feel what someone else is feeling. If Bill Clinton could really “feel your pain” like he said he did, his mirror neurons were helping him do that. So why did mirror neurons evolve? Like any evolutionary “why” question, it helps to think about what the absence of the feature would have meant. Mirror neurons make teaching and learning much easier, for one. All primates have them, so it turns out monkey see, monkey do is a matter of hardware, not just software. When Cave-Kid saw Mom or Dad starting a fire, or picking berries, or spearing dinner on the hoof, mirror neurons would have made it easier to duplicate the task. Populations without this cool adaptive anomaly would have had a selective disadvantage, resulting in fewer survivors over time, and voilà! Mirror neurons became the norm. Then there’s the selective advantage of being good. Without the hard-wired ability to feel what someone else feels, individuals really could be islands unto themselves, indifferent to each other’s pain and suffering. Picture one population of mutually indifferent, self-centered creatures, and another in which empathy is the norm. Which population is going to survive to pass on its genes? The most powerful human moral concept is the Reciprocity Principle: Treat others as you would like to be treated. Christians may recognize their Golden Rule in that, but its origin is much older and its presence much more universal than a single religion or philosophy. It’s the heart of human morality, something people generally figure out on their own by age six. And mirror neurons are a continuous, helpful nudge. Little effort is needed to see the root of empathy, sympathy, compassion, conscience, cooperation, guilt, and a whole lot of other useful tendencies in this remarkable neural system. It’s just one more

peacesamuel94:
1.Taking away religion won't make humans get along better either. One of the aims of religion is to unite us, but it has not been able to totally achieve that aim, I've seen Christians divided among themselves also with Muslims, Remove religion and disunity will only grow worse.

2. Not when we have so many great researchers, scientists, thinkers who were religious, for Christians we have; Charles Barbbage, William Hershel, Gregor Mendel, Michael faraday etc, and for muslims we have ibn sina, ibn buttuta,, al battani and so on.

3. The only excuse for not being prosperous as a nation or as an individual is laziness not religion. The richest man in the history of America, John D Rockerfella was a religious man. Saudi Arabia as a nation is very religious yet very prosperous. As you can see Sir, religion is not an excuse at all.

4..Religion came with the message of hope. whether this hope is imaginary or fictional as you call it, one thing it does, is that it promises of a life of joy happiness and assurance. I've tried imagining a world without religion all i could see is a hopeless world, without restraint, without assurance. Sincerely there is a lot to loose if religion is taken away. peace

ValentineMary:

And he died in his comfort of his room or under arrest go read ur history abeg.

ValentineMary:


Is it not funny how he has time to sing and put up memes but when asked a simple qus, he claims it is a waste of time. Winner01 also uses this method. Pretty childish I must say.

And for the question on morality, we have done that several times on this forum haba. PastorAIO opened a thread on it also and I dropped a comment.

If the only reason u don't lie is because of the joy of heaven or the fear of hell, u should be the least person talking about morality.

delishpot:


I wish I could discuss this with you. Have you read the original version of the Bible? The one the English was translated from?
There we're other gods in the Bible. Even the God of the Israelites told them not to worship those side by side with him. He clearly states, he is a jealouse God. And wants no other gods beside him. The Bible was written over a very long period of time between each book. Do you want to say that part is false. That God did not recognise those gods and even warned that for him to bless the Israelites, they have to focus on only him?

It is good now that u are spotting the condradictions urself. After God said he is the only one, he later said he is jealous. How can he be jealous if he is the only one

And for the original hebrew Torah, it shows pious fraud in christianity. The ancient hebrew were polytheist that's why they said Elohim meaning Gods but christianity which is a monotheist religion adopted this text for a single God Yahweh. So the foundation is even false. Hmmm

ValentineMary:

It is good now that u are spotting the condradictions urself. After God said he is the only one, he later said he is jealous. How can he be jealous if he is the only one

And for the original hebrew Torah, it shows pious fraud in christianity. The ancient hebrew were polytheist that's why they said Elohim meaning Gods but christianity which is a monotheist religion. So the foundation ia even false. Hmmm

naijadeyhia:


You are an Atheist! Does truth matter to you? You have no moral code remember? So why are you trying to "face the truth". You may as well say anything and claim its the truth so why hold on what you just said as being the truth?

4everGod has said he does not want to engage you simply because he believes its not necessary and you conclude that he has no point to make? He simply did not want to waste his time as the thread is meaningless to him thats all.

So back to my question. Does truth matter to you? why?

neocortex:


Unfortunately for you, people who claim to "have moral code
do cheat, lie defraud and commit atrocities and guess what, they
believe they are saved because they have jesus not because they
are better behaved than other humans.

Now ask yourself why would a sinner claim to have a moral code ?

engrchykae:


That's Why We have Humanism

naijadeyhia:



The context of the word Jealous as God said He is a Jealous God means to be fiercely protective of one's rights or possessions.. It does not mean He is refering to another diety. He is refering to His creation whom have chosen to serve Him. I think you need to check the meaning of the word JEALOUS....Oh wait let me post it here for you


[b]jealous
ˈdʒɛləs/
adjective
adjective: jealous

feeling or showing an envious resentment of someone or their achievements, possessions, or perceived advantages.
"she was always jealous of me"
synonyms: envious, covetous, desirous; More
resentful, grudging, begrudging;
jaundiced, bitter, malicious, spiteful;
green with envy, green, green-eyed;
greedy, selfish, acquisitive;
formalemulous
"he was jealous of his brother's popularity"
antonyms: admiring, proud
feeling or showing a resentful suspicion that one's partner is attracted to or involved with someone else.
"a jealous husband"
synonyms: suspicious, distrustful, mistrustful, doubting, insecure, anxious; More
apprehensive of rivals, possessive, proprietorial, overprotective, clinging, controlling, dominating
"a jealous lover"
antonyms: trusting, understanding
fiercely protective of one's rights or possessions.
"the men were proud of their achievements and jealous of their independence"
synonyms: protective, defensive, vigilant, watchful, heedful, mindful, careful, solicitous, attentive
"they are very jealous of their rights"[/b]

like i said, stop jumping the gun!

am0sn0nyu:
Certainly, you like the whole majority of Nigerians don't understand the meaning of tribalism, always confusing tribalism with what doesn't relate to it in any context, I hereby summon my alter-ego 'ghostofsparta' to come enlighten you.

naijadeyhia:



I am trying to get you to think for yourself and here you are doing copy and paste. My question again is simple and its specific to you an atheist.

You have no moral code.. so why does anything matter? If you even say its based on Oxytocin how can you differentiate what one emotional feeling is from another? Why do we not interpret a cry of pain as a cry of joy? Why do we even say pain is pain when it could easily be pleasure because for some pain is pleasure.

If you say the hormone was designed that way then how? Who taught the hormone to trigger joy or love (assuming it does trigger such). So if it triggers love and according to science it also triggers hate, how is it able to differentiate and accurately give you the right emotion for the right moment....especially when it has no self intelligence neither is it alive.