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Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Seahawk: 7:37pm On Aug 23, 2016
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merahki:



This is me too
...how can there be no God, lol? When every people from ancient times to now have been seeking That? When you look around and see inexplicable beauty in nature, in greenery, in newborns...have you ever seen baby goats being kids(pun intented)? When Science just stops short of reaching the eureka moment everytime? Everytime....The Universe/God is always a ramp ahead....or two, or a thousand cool

I believe in God because I believe and know
However I think He is bigger than any blanket, Christian, Muslin, Hindi, name it
He is there...whether we want or not
I also think it is crazy crazy foolish of Africans to buy foreign religions hook, line and sinker cheesy
No one respects a people without their own philosophy.....

The Nigerian society is a hot mess of confusion because of this...we are religious and not spiritual which is truly tragic
Have you ever seen zealots knocking down ancestral native worship materials in their religiousity? Cringe-worthy I must say
Makes me ashamed...cos now the original Christians from outside Africa have passed the baton and have moved on to other things..smh
Do you know of the horror Muslims mete out on "infidels" in different ways the worst of which would be child killings, beheadings and terrorism? In this present time!? shocked shocked shocked. I know that if there had been no "saving of our souls" we would have fared better in terms of being more spiritual and tolerant and loving....seriously lacking as it is now. I actually wanna beat anyone who mocks Ifa worship system....cos it stems of ignorance and zombieism...even tho I am as Igbo and Ojukwu loving as they come...with a fervent desire for having this countrity split angry (country-entity) ....or at least having regionalism. Story for another day

I absolutely know there is God and that He is all kinds of goodness
In this same vein of knowing, also lies the conviction that He does not reside in any religion solely.....religions politicise Him and want to lay claim to Him
But He is bigger, and always will be bigger than ANY religion

When I see religious people who are ardent and churchy, I send them love in my mind, they are striving to feel a connection with The Creator, and that is all kinds of beautiful. If they only knew how to believe....life would be more perfect....they are getting there I wanna believe..I did, so they too can
The only thing worse than a misguided religious person is an atheist who scoffs at people who strive to make meaning of life. It is cruel, horrible, wrong.....Just get on with not believing, and be true to your disbelief....and kindly allow people to believe...live and let live....this is the Igbo moral code...very and truly apt here cool.
Okay....I may have to learn how to put my thoughts down rationally....
I respect religious people who stay on their lanes...I respect free-thinkers and humanists....I respect agnostics....and atheists ...however for the atheist who wants to ram down their nonbelief down peoples' throats, I feel contempt...cos they are also zealots/fanatics...and majorly unoriginal in their nonbelieving ideas, since they basically disbelieve a' la foreign atheistic ways/people
Cringe cringe cringe

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Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by faceland: 8:23am On Aug 24, 2016
CaptEColeJnr:
You are reading the Bible from a human point of view,try and look at it from. A spiritual vantage point.(God is spirit).

The reason for the harsh law of Moses was because mankind were still suffering from the sin of Adam and Eve. There was NO GRACE.

For this reason,the Son Of Man was made manifest so that he might destroy the works of the devil. Then came Jesus,who mitigated the law by summarising it into two basic phrases. "Love Your God" and "Love Your Neighbour"...... Then by dying,the sin of Adam were cancelled, because Grace has been brought down by the blood

Anyway, I have respect for those who are sincerely religious, so I wouldn't give you a piece of my mind (or tell you how I perceive the about statement) because their is no polite way of saying it. Take care.
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Nobody: 10:52am On Aug 24, 2016
Farmerforlife:
Amusing, but the reasons given for rejecting religion are not valid. Your proposal is akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Not all religions have harmful teachings when applied correctly, though I can understand being an atheist because the evidence is not personally acceptable to an individual.

Also, on the surface, it might seem nice to allow unbridled hedonism to take over the world, and live merely for our pleasures of, as you put it, "secular or instrumental music, fine art, poetry, sculpture, owning dogs, wearing make-up, friendship with the opposite sex, eating ram meat, eating sausages, pleasuring yourself or the opposite sex, watching fantasy movies or reading fantasy novels like harry potter, making friends outside the religion, dancing, tattoos, playing ludo because it relies on luck, barbie dolls, sexy clothes etc.", but free license does have its drawbacks, which include harmful effects on society.

By the way, I am curious, why restrict 'pleasuring' to the opposite sex? What of pleasuring members of the same sex, why exclude that? Also, more atheists are vegetarian than Theists, so not eating meat and sausages probably has a wider following among atheists than among Theists.
The op never opposed pleasuring members of the opposite sex, he was merely stating what most religions accept as evil. Unbridled hedonism can't have much more negative affects than unbridled superstition.
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Nobody: 10:59am On Aug 24, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
Great points. How would we know where to draw the line? What the OP and others do not realise is that a lot of people derive their morality from faith. A large number of people are good because of their hope in one afterlife or the other. Hardened criminals have ''discovered'' Christ or any other deity and become good. What the OP is advocating is going to lead to anarchy and chaos. No matter the amount of disdain you possess for religion, an unbiased analysis will lead you to the conclusion that its merits far outweigh the demerits.
Theist always like to cherry pick their arguments, here you talk about the supposed good religion has done forgetting all the evil, the terrorism, war. All the countless dead, and saying atheism will lead to anarchy is rubbish, most of the civilized world, like Japan, China, Netherland and a lot more are largely atheistic. while most crime riddled, underdeveloped nations are strongly theistic.
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Nobody: 11:04am On Aug 24, 2016
Codedrock:
Seun i am really loving all these your topics oo.. Even though i still believe there is God, i am so against being religious. bro you are really doing a great job with these topics. I think i was already in transition to being an atheist(after i quit church) before you started your Faith related topics and i have been enjoying them, not to mention we reason the same way. I still choose to believe there is God though.
Been seriously studying that Evolution theory but my abstract thinking ability is just so not agreeing with that right now.
its called double linking bro, I was once disillusioned by religion once. double linking is an amazing feat of the human brain, that doesn't allow logic to touch our beliefs. I recommend this website since it helped me break the link
www.godisimaginary.com
its long but definitely worth it

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Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Ranchhoddas: 11:07am On Aug 24, 2016
Lennycool:

Theist always like to cherry pick their arguments, here you talk about the supposed good religion has done forgetting all the evil, the terrorism, war. All the countless dead, and saying atheism will lead to anarchy is rubbish, most of the civilized world, like Japan, China, Netherland and a lot more are largely atheistic. while most crime riddled, underdeveloped nations are strongly theistic.
Liar. Those countries you mentioned are not atheistic. Do your research well. That a person does not identify with a religion does not make him atheist. And you have conviniently forgotten the religious countries that are prosperous. You want examples?
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Nobody: 11:09am On Aug 24, 2016
Seun:
Religious People Are Suffering & They Need Our Help

People often ask outspoken atheists why they like to argue with religious people. "If you don't believe in God", they ask, "why do you spend so much time attacking people's religious beliefs?" They often respond by saying, "religious people keep trying to impose their religious beliefs on us through evangelism and politics, so we have to defend ourselves." Atheists who don't feel threatened usually choose to remain silent. I used to be a pretty quiet atheist myself, until I noticed something about religious people that I hadn't noticed before. Religious people are suffering!

Religion is not a harmless delusion. It's not a benign folly that merely wastes people's time. It's a malignant malady that systematically robs the majority of humanity of their freedom, pleasure, joy, comfort, knowledge, intelligence, health, money, lives, and much more. It would be selfish of us as atheists who are free from religion not to make every effort to free people from religion so that they can have much better lives.

Many religious people are not allowed to have blood transfusions. This means thousands of religious men, women and children have died from treatable medical conditions, such as pregnancies with any kind of complications, non-fatal car accidents, treatable gunshot wounds, etc. simply because they are not allowed to accept blood transfusions. So many children have become orphans needlessly; so many men and women became widows and widowers; so many fathers and mothers lost their children. All because of a religious rule that make no sense at all.

Many religious people are forbidden by their religions from enjoying most of the good things in life. Things like secular or instrumental music, fine art, poetry, sculpture, owning dogs, wearing make-up, friendship with the opposite sex, eating ram meat, eating sausages, pleasuring yourself or the opposite sex, watching fantasy movies or reading fantasy novels like harry potter, making friends outside the religion, dancing, tattoos, playing ludo because it relies on luck, barbie dolls, sexy clothes etc. Can you imagine what your life would be like if you had to forgo most of these wonderful things? Horribly boring. You'd probably kill yourself. I guess that's why many religious people are violent.

Most religious people believe in the afterlife. As a result, instead of focusing on the current life and making it as enjoyable as possible for themselves, their friends, and family members, they often endure miserable lives in the hope that they'll be rewarded after they die. An extreme case of this is the case of suicide bombers and religious fighters who embrace violent deaths for the sake of an imaginary paradise.

Many religious people are pressured to give a sizable proportion of their income to the religious establishments they worship with. Poor people are taught that the best way to get rich is not to save their money and invest in education and entrepreneurship, but to "sow" it by giving it to their rich religious leaders who will use it to live flamboyantly, and build religious monuments to attract more cash cows. When this stupid idea of "sowing"doesn't make the poor people rich, they are told that it's because they don't have faith, have sin in their lives, etc.

Many religious people are made to believe that the secret to good health and healing is prayer, having been brainwashed by dishonest sermons and misleading testimonies. When they have health problems, instead of going to good hospitals, they embark on prayer and fasting. When their friends slump due to heart attacks or strokes or seizures, they start praying on them instead of rushing them to good hospitals where they can get competent medical help. People have died of curable diseases like malaria because they didn't accept treatment until it was too late.

Many religious people are tolerant and liberal by nature, but due to certain verses in their holy scriptures, they feel that they must be intolerant of various groups of people that God supposedly doesn't like, such as lesbians and transexuals. They are against abortion, which they think is murder, but also against sex education, which reduces abortion rates dramatically, because they think it may encourage premarital safe sex. As a result their daughters end up getting pregnant outside wedlock, having illegal abortions, and dying despite their opposition to abortion.

Many religious people are women, and it sucks to be them because the scriptures of the major religions are clearly sexist. One scripture claims that women must be quiet and submit to men because man were created first and woman came from man, which is rather suspicious because in real life it's women who give birth to men. Another scripture proudly asserts that woman are deficient in intelligence and piety. There are almost no female prophets, apostles or disciples. The few famous women in major scriptures are famous not for personal exploits but for giving birth to important men, marrying them, or leading them astray (Eve, Jezebel). Religious women can't live up to their full potential.

And don't even get me started on the horrible treatment of "demon-possessed" people (the mentally ill) and "child witches".

Clearly, religious people are suffering. Our parents, siblings, and children. Our friends, crushes, and admirers. Our colleague, bosses, and employees. To save them, we who are atheists must come out of our closets and start speaking out; challenging them and educating them.
my people perish for lack of knowledge!!

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Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by kingkaspa: 2:43pm On Aug 24, 2016
Lennycool:

its called double linking bro, I was once disillusioned by religion once. double linking is an amazing feat of the human brain, that doesn't allow logic to touch our beliefs. I recommend this website since it helped me break the link
www.godisimaginary.com
its long but definitely worth it
I am currently reading proof 7 http://www.godisimaginary.com/i7.htm, the author nailed it.

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Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by JackBizzle: 3:52pm On Aug 24, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
Liar. Those countries you mentioned are not atheistic. Do your research well. That a person does not identify with a religion does not make him atheist. And you have conviniently forgotten the religious countries that are prosperous. You want examples?


What has kingEbuka done to you? Bros, when did you start lying like this? shocked
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Ranchhoddas: 4:01pm On Aug 24, 2016
JackBizzle:



What has kingEbuka done to you? Bros, when did you start lying like this? shocked
Lol. Sir LogicBoy. No be lie na.
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by JackBizzle: 4:06pm On Aug 24, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
Lol. Sir LogicBoy. No be lie na.


It is a lie that religious countries are prosperous.

Most are not prosperous. Also, atheists have no problem with non-atheists that aren't religious.
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Ranchhoddas: 4:17pm On Aug 24, 2016
JackBizzle:



It is a lie that religious countries are prosperous.

Most are not prosperous. Also, atheists have no problem with non-atheists that aren't religious.
They are prosperous religious countries and non-prosperous ones. The same thing also applies the non-religious nations. My overall point is that religion is not necessarily the cause of the backwardness in those countries. It might be a factor but it certainly isn't the major factor.
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by JackBizzle: 4:29pm On Aug 24, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
They are prosperous religious countries and non-prosperous ones. The same thing also applies the non-religious nations. My overall point is that religion is not necessarily the cause of the backwardness in those countries. It might be a factor but it certainly isn't the major factor.


you might be right.

However, the fact remains that religion is a major factor in Nigeria.

I wouldn't mind if we were liberal about our religion.

When I mean liberal, I mean the Yoruba muslim that will chill with you even if he doesnt drink. Compare that to the conservative northern almajiri that will decapitate you and your bottle of beer on sight.
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by DazzlinPearl(f): 6:40pm On Aug 25, 2016
SirWere:
False happiness is the worst kind of sadness ever.


Nowadays, atheists have become outspoken. They have gone to the media; published books and enlightened the eyes of many. In most forums, the existence of God is an hotly debated question.


The reaction of the religious?

They dig up false stories, they troll the internet with horribly inaccurate memes; they redefine atheism as it suits them and describe it as derogatory; they say any atheist is a murderer or a depraved individuals.

Despite atheists continually telling them the definiton of atheism and that it is NOT in any way; a religion or a cult, they continue to ignorantly classify atheists are evil. Unprintable names fly about and riddiculous theories from every vestige of the internet is regarded as truth.

Unfortunately; quite unfortunately; they drag science into the ruckus. They pick any science topic that contradicts their particular religion and call it demonic. They kick against reasonable explainations and come up with a lot of dumb ones. They claim atheists worship science. They publish conspiracy theories. Despite the fact that thousands of theists agree with a particular topic in biology; they still refuse to listen; asking for senseless proofs like ants with human head (I'm not joking; someone asked for this) and video proof of the earth's formation (A person on this forum also says this).


They view it as a battle; either you're for us or against us. They say their God is the only one convinently forgetting the 4200 others. Events that can't possibly happen is ascribed to miracles. Impossible claims raised by their holy books and scriptures are "mysteries of God".



And then, after everything, they tell their adherents that wisom is foolishness and it is profitable to be foolish and believe than to be wise and disbelieve. And then they lay the most ancient trick of all: "We'll meet in paradise."


With such seal in proof; most of the adherents are kept in check and continually believe. Indeed; it takes only the very curious and unbiased of them to actually reach out and read; research and do the most dreaded thing of all for most religions "Ask questions".



As long as the religious are convinced they are right; there's nothing anyone can do. All it takes is just a spark; a question; a gut feeling.

All it takes is to move them from the position of "I am sure" to "How sure am I?"

but until then; eh; Organized religion will continue to flourish.



P.S : No one should quote me undecided
but I have. Great points
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Touchnot01: 8:46pm On Sep 04, 2016
cloudgoddess:

Those are what are called psychopaths/sociopaths and they are an obvious danger to society. Which is why developed, secular countries have mental institutions to keep them from causing harm and even attempt to help them.
Why do you call someone who derive satisfaction in killing people a psychopath? Who set the standard for normality? You? Majority vote?
Please, I dont think you or anyone has the right to dictate what is normal to another person. It more rational to Do what pleases you or what works for you with the short time you have to live. Its not like the universe will give you a medal for being good. Camping or restricting people who act to their advantage and satisfaction is unjustifiable. People should be left alone to live their lives to the fullest, then you will see the problem with an atheistic majority. Atheist Nietzche probably pointed this out in all honesty.
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Touchnot01: 8:50pm On Sep 04, 2016
Seun:
Religion hasn't stopped people like Osama Bin Laden, Shekau, ISIS, etc from going about on killing sprees. It motivates the suicide aspect.

You refused to answer my question. Who are atheists to tell someone else what to do.?
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Seun(m): 9:06pm On Sep 04, 2016
Touchnot01:
You refused to answer my question. Who are atheists to tell someone else what to do.?
Are you suggesting that atheists don't enjoy freedom of speech? Atheists are free to tell people what to do and they are free to ignore us.

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Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Mescopaul(m): 9:41pm On Sep 04, 2016
@Seun , bro you need help. The confusion you are in is really eating up every fabric of your thinking faculty.

I've always known that when people don't want to serve God, they hide under the guise of claiming to be atheists.

It's just laziness that's the problem of these so-called atheists.

I don't have the time to go through all your lenthy crappy post.

Religion indeed has hurt the world (not just Nigeria), but if you consider the good it has done to man in the light of JESUS every other thing grows dim in the light of his glory and grace.

Atheism is a psychological jargon.
You can choose to believe, or not. It doesn't change the fact.

I've always told people:

"It's better to play safe: You'ld make a good bargain if you believe on JESUS now, and at last discover that he really do exist rather than refusing him now, only to discover that he actually exists and by then it might be too late."

You wont party forever.
You wont have sex forever.
You wont dress naked forever.
Everything would still end someday.

At that time all these pleasures you treasure would be seen as dung in your eyes.

Speak to a dying shrunken old woman.

Can she ever still treasure having sex all the day? Or dressing nude? Or partying? Or dancing about?

No. She dont even know if there's any pleasure in those things.

All she knows is that her end is near.

It's just that our life on earth and what we're exposed to has made us so myopic.

We do not know anything outside our nose.
And we think we knew it all.

Remember Plato's Allegory of the cave?
That's just how we are.

Now you've written a piece Seun, and you might be thinking:

"Wow, I've killed them all. I've finished all these religious fanatics!"

But the sad truth is that, to you, you've written something worthwhile, but in the real sense one can look at how much knowledge you lack to have composed such criticism against religion all in the name of atheism.

I wonder what you'll do when you found out the truth.

Just do something for me Seun,

Lock up yourself in your room oneday.
Take a Bible. Spread it before you and say:

"God if there is a God. They said you exist and you sent Jesus to die for me. I don't believe this crap (That is if you trully don't). And if this is true, I want you to do anything that would make me believe, else I don't believe it."

Have a nice day.

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Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Touchnot01: 9:48pm On Sep 04, 2016
Seun:
Are you suggesting that atheists don't enjoy freedom of speech? Atheists are free to tell people what to do and they are free to ignore us.
Of course you do. please get the point. Who is man that he gets to decide what or what not is appropriate for another man?.
You may not be able to give a straight forward answer, thats why God makes sense.
I believe God is the only rational explanation for human lives and doings.
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by cloudgoddess(f): 1:29am On Sep 05, 2016
Touchnot01:
Why do you call someone who derive satisfaction in killing people a psychopath? Who set the standard for normality? You? Majority vote?
Please, I dont think you or anyone has the right to dictate what is normal to another person. It more rational to Do what pleases you or what works for you with the short time you have to live. Its not like the universe will give you a medal for being good. Camping or restricting people who act to their advantage and satisfaction is unjustifiable. People should be left alone to live their lives to the fullest, then you will see the problem with an atheistic majority. Atheist Nietzche probably pointed this out in all honesty.
Ruthlessly killing people for no reason is detrimental to our species as a whole and thus maladaptive. Social animals like us need to cooperate with eachother to survive & thrive. Mirror neurons & oxytocin exist to promote this.

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Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by cloudgoddess(f): 1:35am On Sep 05, 2016
Mescopaul:
@Seun , bro you need help. The confusion you are in is really eating up every fabric of your thinking faculty.

I've always known that when people don't want to serve God, they hide under the guise of claiming to be atheists.

It's just laziness that's the problem of these so-called atheists.

I don't have the time to go through all your lenthy crappy post.

Religion indeed has hurt the world (not just Nigeria), but if you consider the good it has done to man in the light of JESUS every other thing grows dim in the light of his glory and grace.

Atheism is a psychological jargon.
You can choose to believe, or not. It doesn't change the fact.

I've always told people:

"It's better to play safe: You'ld make a good bargain if you believe on JESUS now, and at last discover that he really do exist rather than refusing him now, only to discover that he actually exists and by then it might be too late."

You wont party forever.
You wont have sex forever.
You wont dress naked forever.
Everything would still end someday.

At that time all these pleasures you treasure would be seen as dung in your eyes.

Speak to a dying shrunken old woman.

Can she ever still treasure having sex all the day? Or dressing nude? Or partying? Or dancing about?

No. She dont even know if there's any pleasure in those things.

All she knows is that her end is near.

It's just that our life on earth and what we're exposed to has made us so myopic.

We do not know anything outside our nose.
And we think we knew it all.

Remember Plato's Allegory of the cave?
That's just how we are.

Now you've written a piece Seun, and you might be thinking:

"Wow, I've killed them all. I've finished all these religious fanatics!"

But the sad truth is that, to you, you've written something worthwhile, but in the real sense one can look at how much knowledge you lack to have composed such criticism against religion all in the name of atheism.

I wonder what you'll do when you found out the truth.

Just do something for me Seun,

Lock up yourself in your room oneday.
Take a Bible. Spread it before you and say:

"God if there is a God. They said you exist and you sent Jesus to die for me. I don't believe this crap (That is if you trully don't). And if this is true, I want you to do anything that would make me believe, else I don't believe it."

Have a nice day.
Man. I haven't rolled my eyes this hard in a while.

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Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Sveen: 7:20am On Sep 05, 2016
Touchnot01:
Of course you do. please get the point. Who is man that he gets to decide what or what not is appropriate for another man?.
You may not be able to give a straight forward answer, thats why God makes sense.
I believe God is the only rational explanation for human lives and doings.
I hope the same can be said for Christians that goes about giving sermons on the road and in a public transportation, and their unending distribution of placards. Why should atheist own be any different.
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by PastorAIO: 8:39am On Sep 05, 2016
Touchnot01:
Of course you do. please get the point. Who is man that he gets to decide what or what not is appropriate for another man?.
You may not be able to give a straight forward answer, thats why God makes sense.
I believe God is the only rational explanation for human lives and doings.

But your God doesn't decide anything. If he came down from heaven to decide 'what or what not is appropriate for another man' then maybe I could cut you some slack, but NO...

... all I see is Man (claiming God to add credence) deciding 'what or what not is approrpriate for another man'.

The history of religion is one of Evil men going about dictating to other men and claiming that they are representing God. Your God never came to speak for himself, it is only nasty people claiming to speak for him. They are the ones who get 'to decide what or what not is appropriate for another man'.

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Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Mescopaul(m): 11:04am On Sep 05, 2016
cloudgoddess:

Man. I haven't rolled my eyes this hard in a while.

Why were you rolling your eyes so hard, hope you were not hurt?
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Seun(m): 12:04pm On Sep 05, 2016
Touchnot01:
Of course you do. please get the point. Who is man that he gets to decide what or what not is appropriate for another man?
If you are in a position of authority e.g. a parent, a boss, a moderator, or a government official, you have the right to decide what is appropriate for the people under your authority. The national assembly's entire job is to decide what is appropriate for Nigerian citizens. As members of society, we have the right to use our brains to figure out what is best for other members of our society and then try to persuade them to do it (not by force). We can have a good society without pretending that an invisible mind-reading dictator exists.

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Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by AvsGot007(m): 7:20am On Sep 08, 2016
OK...I believe there is God but I don't believe in religions or churches

pls what do you guys call that I'm sure I ain't agnostic!
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by obiZEAL(m): 10:31am On Sep 08, 2016
As for me, I love Mumsy die and im not about to break her heart...so I will just remain in the closet till when ever...my siblings and friends are religious and I can't lose them because of a non existing god...

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Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Nobody: 5:27pm On Sep 21, 2016
Mr Seun u are clearly ignorant of a true relationship with God; may i ask... Do u believe in evil? If yes why or how do u come to terms with the existence of evil how does d good balance the evil. Do u believe in grace? I want answers...
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Seun(m): 8:21pm On Sep 21, 2016
AvsGot007:
OK...I believe there is God but I don't believe in religions or churches
pls what do you guys call that
I'm sure I ain't agnostic!
You're a Deist. What are your reasons for believing there is a God? Does this belief come from the religion you rejected?
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Seun(m): 8:34pm On Sep 21, 2016
obiZEAL:
As for me, I love Mumsy die and im not about to break her heart...so I will just remain in the closet till when ever...
This may be the right decision for you, but I don't think it helps your mum. The most depressing truth is better than the most comforting lie.

my siblings and friends are religious and I can't lose them because of a non existing god...
What if your siblings and friends are also secret atheists but they are also afraid of telling you because they think they will lose you if they do?

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Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Jdazzle: 8:50pm On Sep 21, 2016
Mescopaul:
@Seun , bro you need help. The confusion you are in is really eating up every fabric of your thinking faculty.

I've always known that when people don't want to serve God, they hide under the guise of claiming to be atheists.

It's just laziness that's the problem of these so-called atheists.

I don't have the time to go through all your lenthy crappy post.

Religion indeed has hurt the world (not just Nigeria), but if you consider the good it has done to man in the light of JESUS every other thing grows dim in the light of his glory and grace.

Atheism is a psychological jargon.
You can choose to believe, or not. It doesn't change the fact.

I've always told people:

"It's better to play safe: You'ld make a good bargain if you believe on JESUS now, and at last discover that he really do exist rather than refusing him now, only to discover that he actually exists and by then it might be too late."

You wont party forever.
You wont have sex forever.
You wont dress naked forever.
Everything would still end someday.

At that time all these pleasures you treasure would be seen as dung in your eyes.

Speak to a dying shrunken old woman.

Can she ever still treasure having sex all the day? Or dressing nude? Or partying? Or dancing about?

No. She dont even know if there's any pleasure in those things.

All she knows is that her end is near.

It's just that our life on earth and what we're exposed to has made us so myopic.

We do not know anything outside our nose.
And we think we knew it all.

Remember Plato's Allegory of the cave?
That's just how we are.

Now you've written a piece Seun, and you might be thinking:

"Wow, I've killed them all. I've finished all these religious fanatics!"

But the sad truth is that, to you, you've written something worthwhile, but in the real sense one can look at how much knowledge you lack to have composed such criticism against religion all in the name of atheism.

I wonder what you'll do when you found out the truth.

Just do something for me Seun,

Lock up yourself in your room oneday.
Take a Bible. Spread it before you and say:

"God if there is a God. They said you exist and you sent Jesus to die for me. I don't believe this crap (That is if you trully don't). And if this is true, I want you to do anything that would make me believe, else I don't believe it."

Have a nice day.


Well said bro cheesy
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Seun(m): 8:52pm On Sep 21, 2016
Smallville10:
Mr Seun u are clearly ignorant of a true relationship with God;
You're right. I'm ignorant of a true relationship with God. So are you. And everybody else. A relationship with an imaginary being can't be true.

may i ask... Do u believe in evil?
I believe in evil. To me, evil is any unnecessary and unjust suffering. Bad people are those who cause others to suffer unnecessarily and unjustly. If by evil you mean Satan, demons, witches, wizards, mermaids, blood sucking spirits, ghosts, etc, I don't believe in such nonsense.

If yes why or how do u come to terms with the existence of evil how does d good balance the evil.
Factors responsible for the existence of evil include lack of empathy, desperation, ignorance, poor communication, tribalism, and carelessness.

Do u believe in grace? I want answers...
It depends. Is she intelligent, inquisitive, creative, rational, honest, and kind? tongue

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