lexiconkabir:


Aqeedah comes from the word aqada, now see this verse;

"Allaah will not punish you for what is unintentional in your oaths, but He will punish you for your deliberate oaths (bimaa ‘aqqadtum al-aymaan)…" {Quran 5:89}

Empiree:
[left][/left]Shaking my head. Seems to me you were just introduced to Salafism. You just growing wings. No offence. I knew you would come u with that. That's exactly what Sheik in the video i posted said, that it came from the word "Aqada". That's just linguistic analysis. But "aqeeda" as we know it today is innovated word which means "belief system" etc. But in the verse you quoted "aqada" means something slightly different. I only asked you for the word "AQEEDA" but you failed.

Now, dont get me wrong. I do not have problem with the word "aqeeda". Many things are invented to make things easy. Another example is "At-Tassawuf". But there is nothing called tasawwuf in the kitab and sunnah. Scholars invented it and it means the very same thing "Ihsan" which is in Qur'an and Sunnah. Similarly, Aqeeda, similar word used in the kitab wa sunnah is Iman (belief or faith). NOT "aqada". Aqeeda is only terminology derived from aqada. Same thing can be said of " Tawasul". Tawasul is not mentioned in the Quran. what is in the quran is "Wasila" but they mean the same thing and every muslim use the terms today.

lexiconkabir:


Then give us the exact word TAWHEED in the Quran, when you dont find it, call tawheed bid'ah!

Really if this was coming from Christians i would've understood, but from muslim is a BIG DISAPPOINTMENT, commom you can do better!

You dont know what bid'ah is, yet you go around claiming you once followed the pious predecessors of the religion....

Is Arabic like English? to know what a word means(in arabic), dont we need to check its root? Isnt it the science of sarf that makes a word change to give an intented meaning? Doesnt it all go back to the root? Aqeedah comes from Aqada and aqqada(qa-un having shaddah making the word even stronger) in that verse referred to their DELIBERATE OATH, isnt that belief with certainty in the heart? Isn't that what aqeedah is all about?

Smh.

Empiree:
Keep stretching it. Anyways, so according to you, ONLY the SALAFI have "correct" Tawheed and the rest of the muslims are bidah and shirk right?. You must be living in disneyland. And, no i am not here to define Tawheed or bid'ah. That's not my concern. Everyone here is not kid. They understood the terms.

lexiconkabir:


Here is the full definition of tawheed in the Qur'an;

"Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, (i.e Ruboobiyyah)

So worship Him alone and be constant and patient in His worship (i.e Uloohiyyah)

Do you know of any who is similar to Him? (i.e. Asmaa was-Sifaat) " {Quran 19:65}

Do you firmly believe(aqeedah) in this ayah?

Empiree:
This is not my concern. My concern is, have seen any muslim denied these?.

lexiconkabir:


Well ive seen muslims denying Allaah's attributes or trying to distort them,

and you certainly know you are one of them.

lexiconkabir:
You are on your own.....

Empiree:


Not easy to defend right?. Good. You got my point. Dont be accusing other sects and purify yours. Wrong...very wrong. Aqeeda is matter of heart. Only Allah knows that. He has not given anyone authority to access that. Even hypocrites smiles at you, pray with you but when they are alone, they are something else. That's EXACTLY what happened to those Salafis in the West.

They are friends with fellow muslims in the open. They prayed with us and everything. But when they got caught by Law enforcement for ridiculous thing they do when no one was watching, in order to reduce their sentences, they pled to spy for govt on their fellow muslims. And you telling me here they are following Qur'an and Sunnah?. What a joke!

And of course, not all of them just too many. And there are sincere ones who now left the salafism and just being muslim. I am a muslim. That's what Quran and sunnah recognized. FULL STOP

AlBaqir:


Please who are you sir? I doubt you've ever dialogue (in a civic) or argue (in harsh-like manner) with me. You don't just throw accusations here and there while you declare "And allaah knows best".

# You want to discuss and dialogue in a civic manner, am always here.

# You choose to be rogue, I hardly abuse but will reply the hard way.

Salam alaykum

Empiree:
Assalamu alaikum Brother XXXXXX, I hope this mail finds u in good health and iman. Thank u for your recent phone call updating me on the Islamic situation in XXXXXXX.

Our quarrel with the Saudi salafis is not a simple one like many people would like to believe. Our quarrel is about the validity of the shahada of the Saudi salafis itself. I have strong doubts about their Islam to an extent where i wouldn’t even dishonor myself by going to the janaaza of a salafi, due to 4 major reasons. The first reason is that they go against the ijmaa of the ummah. Allah has promised the Hell-fire for anyone who is guilty of going against the ijmaa of the Muslims. Hence Allah said:

And whosoever contradicts and opposes the Rasool after the guidance was made clear to him and follows a path other than the way of the believers, We shall keep him in the path which he has chosen and throw him in Hell — what an evil abode! surah an-Nisaa 4:115

All the scholars of tafseer agree unanimously among themselves that the above-mentioned ayah is clear evidence that it is incumbent on all those who claim to be Muslims to abide by the ijmaa of the ummah. unfortunately the Saudi salafis are a stray sect because they are guilty of contradicting the ijmaa of the ummah hence they have made up their own islam. This puts them in the category of the zindeeq {heretic} Other famous zindeeqs of this century are the Nation of Islam started by Elija Muhammad as well as the Berailwia, Ahmadia/ Qadiyania, the ismailia/Agha khania etc etc.

I will now outline to you the ijmaa which the Saudi salafis are guilty of going against. Ibn kathir and Ibn Taymiyya [rh] said:

“It is known of Islam by necessity and it is the agreement of all the Muslims that if you dismantle the sharia it makes you become a kafir. Then ibn kathir elaborated and said: “And such a person should be fought till he returns to the sharia of Muhammad {saw}”

Please review tafseer ibn kathir for the explanation of maida 50 for the evidence of what was said about the ijmaa of the muslims. Also see fatawa vol 28 pp.524 for the evidence of ibn Taymiyya’s verdict on this crucial issue.

What causes me to abhor and despise the saudi salafis with a passion is because they claim to follow the 2 noble scholars ibn kathir and ibn Taymiyya yet they rebel against their ijmaa. This is hypocrisy of the highest order.

The other issue we have with the Saudi salafis is that they do not practice al walaa wal baraa i.e. loving and hating for the sake of Allah. Al walaa wal baraa is one of the 7 conditions of shahada. The salafis give their allegiance to the greatest enemies of Islam in return for materialism. About people like these Allah said:

And you love wealth fanatically. surah al fajr 89:20

But you prefer the life of this world even though the Hereafter is better and everlasting. surah al a’laa 87:16-17

The above-mentioned ayah is clear evidence that some so-called muslims their major concern is only the pomp and glitter of this world and not to spread the pure teachings of Muhammad {saw}

The 3rd issue we have with the Saudi salafis is that they claim that tawheed Haakimiyya is not an aspect of the Deen. They even claim that tawheed haakimiyya is a bid’ah [cursed innovation] The Saudi salafis are so jahil they do not know that Muhammad Ibrahim [the shaikh of bin baaz] said in page 6 of his book tahkeem al qawaaneen:

“Tawheed haakimiyya is the twin half of tawheed ibaada.”

Some of them happen to be aware of this fatwa of Muhammad ibrahim so they reprint his book and remove this precious and crucial fatwa which was meant to guide the ummah of Muhammad.

When prophet Yusuf was in prison he taught tawheed to the inmates in prison and he taught them all 4 branches of tawheed. hence he said:

“There is no law-giver except Allah.” { inil hukmu illa lillah}surah yusuf 12:40

The above-mentioned Qur’anic verse represents Tawheed haakimiyya hence anyone who claims that its not an aspect of the deen is guilty of rejecting faith in the very Qur’an itself and this means the salafis who reject Allah’s haakimiyya are infidels outside the fold of islam.

The 4th issue we the members of ahlus sunnah wal jamaa’ah have with the salafis is that they do not reject the taghoot. In order for a person to be a Muslim he/she has to reject the taghoot and then believe in Allah. To believe in Allah is not enough to make us Muslims. The biggest taghoot in our midst today is the apostate regimes who have given their walaa {allegiance} to the USA, UK, Israel, UN, IMF, NATO and all the other dajjaal forces on the earth.

The salafi scholars have reinterpreted Islam to cement the thrones of these apostate leaders in exchange for the material things of this world i.e. fame & fortune. Allah used 2 words to describe the scholars of the salafi movement in the Qur’an, donkeys and dogs. These descriptions are for all the wicked scholars of this ummah. A donkey doesn’t know the value of the knowledge which it has on its back and a dog if you feed him he lolls his tongue out and if you drive him away he still lolls his tongue out. Because the scholars of the Saudi salafis are on the payroll of these apostate regimes its haram to take your deen from them. They have become wicked scholars. About them ibn Mubaarak said;

“If you see a scholar going to the gates of the leader don’t trust him with your deen because he is a thief”

Allah said about rejecting the taghoot:

And whosoever rejects the taghoot and then believes in Allah, then he has grasped the strongest of handhold that will never break. surah Baqara 2:256

Not only did the Saudi salafis refuse to reject the taghoot but they have reinterpreted Islam to protect the regimes of these taghoots. This is apostasy of the highest order. Since the salafi as a movement have a problem with me Shaikh Faisal I suggest they accept my challenge for a public debate on the subject of Authentic Tawheed. The salafis of Nigeria accepted this challenge and the debate is now on the internet for the world to see who is lying and who is speaking the truth. If the salafis refuse to accept my challenge for a public debate on this crucial subject [Tawheed] which is the core of our deen, we shall dismiss them as a bunch of hypocrites & apostates who are there to lead the Muslims astray with their satanic interpretation of Islam. This is my answer to the salafis all over the world who have a problem with my aqeeda {creed}

Yours in Deen,

SHAIKH FAISAL


WRITTEN: OMAR ALI
OCTOBER 24, 2008 AT 4:30 PM

P.S.
assalamu alaikum bro Yousef. I forgot to mention a crucial point in my article about the salafis. the point is they are the real khawaarij yet they are calling everyone khawaarij. The hadith said the main sign of a khawaarij is that they leave alone the kuffar and kill the Muslims. These apostate regimes of the talafis allow the usa army who are crusader to use their land and airspace to kill 1000s of muslims in iraq & afghanistan so who are the real khawaarij, who are the real dogs of jahannam?




Your Problem Is NAMES of Sects. Any names other than Salafi is considered shirk and bidah automatically. This Is very wrong madhab

Empiree:
Well, i understand. He and others have history. Unfortunately, i cant speak for him since you said you lived in their midst before. I only deal with outer creed of muslims. I do not penetrate their heart. Only Allah knows that. If a muslim (regardless of sect prays as regulated, mandated, institutionalized) in the Sunnah, that's it for me. He/she is my brother. I do not penetrate further. That's my stand. The rest is left for Allah not any human.

Empiree:
I have spoken. Stop Condemning Other Sects. That's ALL my point

This is not about "winning" argument. Stop being EMOTIONAL. That's irrelevant.

Bnladan:

Afwan ya akhee, hal anta Sufiy?

lexiconkabir:


he will tell you no....

Bnladan:

Amruhu ajeeb ya akhee. Dats hw Muhammad Yusuf started. Hadaanallah

Bnladan:

Afwan ya akhee, hal anta Sufiy?

Empiree:
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Empiree:
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RABIUSHILE04:


Walaykumu salaam.

lexiconkabir:
^^ So I wonder who denied Allaah being THE LAW GIVER, what these scholars are saying is, hakimiyyah cant be separate, it falls under Uloohiyyah or Ruboobiyyah.

Bnladan:
ajabta an haaza wa Lima tawallaita an amr shi'a? Hal ma qultuhu anhum iftiraa?

Well, he argued otherwise back then. I know they replied him with your post but he disagreed.

Empiree:
A salafi man denying Allah's Attribute or tried to distort it. Sheik Faisal and "saudi salafis" fought over this bcus saudi salafi dont believe in this Allah's Attribute. They believe Ibn Taymiyah (ra) invented it.



^ and what happens if you deny Allah as the Law Giver?. What does Quran says about it?.

Empiree:
I am not gonna waste my time about Shi'a thing. They are recognised as muslims. If not, they wont be allowed to perform Hajj for 1400 yrs and counting. If there is any questionable activities within them, that can easily be dissolved ONLY if all sides would put their ego aside. There is ALWAYS a way around differences