naijalander:


I don't hate Kenya or Kenyans.

I just think y'all clearly have issues. Honestly it is easy of make these claims about Nigeria but until you actually live and breathe there, you cannot understand why they call it the giant of the continent. A lot of black nationalities live there and assimilate quite easily without any form of discrimination. In Kenya, you guys are so ethnocentric, Nigeria's ethnocentrism is restricted to online debates, in reality, you rarely hear of one person attacking another based on tribal sentiments.

I also despise the generalization. To Kenyan, every Nigerian deals drugs, every Nigerian is a comedian, in the midst of all that, its hard to not express hate.

So have you been discriminated in Kenya? And no...............we don't think every Nigerian does drugs but we might think a Nigeriam does drugs when he keeps on complaining whenever Kenya deports a Nigerian drug dealer.............and NO - your ethnocentric-ism is not limited to online debates. I know in Kenya we still have this ethnocentrism problem but saying it is better in Nigeria is clearly stupid. Yorubas riot in the streets of Lagos demanding Igbos to go back to their homeland all the time. There is frequent looting on non-resident ethnicicities property in Nigeria all the time. The things that happens in Nigeria due to ethnicity could make Kenya's situation look like child's play.

naijalander:


I don't hate Kenya or Kenyans.

I just think y'all clearly have issues. Honestly it is easy of make these claims about Nigeria but until you actually live and breathe there, you cannot understand why they call it the giant of the continent. A lot of black nationalities live there and assimilate quite easily without any form of discrimination. In Kenya, you guys are so ethnocentric, Nigeria's ethnocentrism is restricted to online debates, in reality, you rarely hear of one person attacking another based on tribal sentiments.

I also despise the generalization. To Kenyan, every Nigerian deals drugs, every Nigerian is a comedian, in the midst of all that, its hard to not express hate.

Travel is good if you know what to do with it. If i can't go to the mountain, the mountain must come to me, hence my participation in this and many other online fora. I wish God to add to my days and grant me the privilege of seeing your country. I want a chance to see the world, its people and learn from them. Many kenyans are labouring hard here on NL to present a fair picture of their country while you are busy steeped in unhelpful and ridiculous stereotypes about it, despite living there for 10 years as you say. We were hoping that the discussion would take a path unencumbered by prejudice and innuendo and focusing on factual information as opposed to an (biased) individual's opinion or experience that can never stand up to scrutiny. Please present us with reasoned debate and not knee jerk responses.

It must be frustrating to be somewhere people have a 1 dimensional view of you, ignoring your personal attributes in favour of a generalization about you, clearly diminishing your worth. Such is life. Maybe now you understand how kenyans abroad feel when they are subjected to the tired skinny marathoner stereotype when 90% of us completely suck at it and for most of us, the only running we do is to improve our own lives. As for the drug dealer thing, am sorry but experience has proven that a disproportionate number of you happen to do these things when a guest in another country. Weed out the culture at home first.

LeSudAfricaine:
As a South African I relate to this. A 1OOO. Likes

sawubonani!

MtuMsuper:
sawubonani!

Kunjani?

MtuMsuper:
sawubonani!

Kunjani?

NairobiWalker:


So have you been discriminated in Kenya? And no...............we don't think every Nigerian does drugs but we might think a Nigeriam does drugs when he keeps on complaining whenever Kenya deports a Nigerian drug dealer.............and NO - your ethnocentric-ism is not limited to online debates. I know in Kenya we still have this ethnocentrism problem but saying it is better in Nigeria is clearly stupid. Yorubas riot in the streets of Lagos demanding Igbos to go back to their homeland all the time. There is frequent looting on non-resident ethnicicities property in Nigeria all the time. The things that happens in Nigeria due to ethnicity could make Kenya's situation look like child's play.

What Yoruba riots?

naijalander:



Nigeria has hundreds of refineries but they have not been well managed because the fuel importers sabotaged them.

Nigeria has a ot of super market chains that are bigger than Shoprite within Nigeria as well.

MTN is just one telecom company, Nigeria has Glo, Etisalat, Airtel, and by the way Nigerians hold majority share in MTN so calling it out right a South African business in Nigeria may be wrong, MTN in Nigeria is not wholly owned by South Africans.

BOLD ASS LIES that Nigeria has hundreds of refineries. ITs a huge stretch to claim that Nigeria has more refineries than even Japan,UK,Germany
combined.
That's a bold ass lie Nigeria has only four refineries and you import most of your refined petroleum.What other lies have you told now?

To say that Nigerian supermarket chains are bigger in Nigerian retail market is a lie because it is one of the least formalized retail trade market.If that were true then Shoprite would have closed shop long ago due to your "bigger competitors" but instead its making serious inroads bcuz those supermarkets lack experience and forex to import is in serious shortage ,

South african chains like Shoprite, Pick "N' Pay and Spar dominate Nigerian retail trade.

Bifwoli:


BOLD ASS LIES that Nigeria has hundreds of refineries. ITs a huge stretch to claim that Nigeria has more refineries than even Japan,UK,Germany
combined.
That's a bold ass lie Nigeria has only four refineries and you import most of your refined petroleum.What other lies have you told now?

To say that Nigerian supermarket chains are bigger in Nigerian retail market is a lie because it is one of the least formalized retail trade market.If that were true then Shoprite would have closed shop long ago due to your "bigger competitors" but instead its making serious inroads bcuz those supermarkets lack experience and forex to import is in serious shortage ,

South african chains like Shoprite, Pick "N' Pay and Spar dominate Nigerian retail trade.

Not only that, they very proudly stock water melons grown in South Africa. Where is the sense or pride in that? Let Nakumatt or Tuskys try that in Kenya and they will see a backlash like never before !

You forgot to add that those refineries are epileptic at best they now have to import fuel from Ghana.
https://www.naij.com/998615-ghana-begins-fuel-exports-top-west-africa-countries-including-nigeria.html
How does someone get the effrontery to lie they have "hundreds " of refineries, knowing full well that queuing for petrol is a time honoured tradition in 9ja, talk less of the sheer capital expenditure it would entail. Does he think we are daft?

naijalander:



Nigeria has hundreds of refineries but they have not been well managed because the fuel importers sabotaged them.

Nigeria has a ot of super market chains that are bigger than Shoprite within Nigeria as well.

MTN is just one telecom company, Nigeria has Glo, Etisalat, Airtel, and by the way Nigerians hold majority share in MTN so calling it out right a South African business in Nigeria may be wrong, MTN in Nigeria is not wholly owned by South Africans.

When you are trying to lie, at the least put some efforts onto it.... Nigeria despite its large dependency on oil revenues still pales behind when it comes to oil refineries. The entire Nigeria depends on 3 epileptic refineries for domestic use.

Nigeria

Kaduna Refinery (NNPC), 110,000 bbl/d (17,000 m3/d)
Port Harcourt Refinery (NNPC), 210,000 bbl/d (33,000 m3/d)
Warri Refinery (NNPC), 125,000 bbl/d (19,900 m3/d)

Kenyanstar:


When you are trying to lie, at the least put some efforts onto it.... Nigeria despite its large dependency on oil revenues still pales behind when it comes to oil refineries. The entire Nigeria depends on 3 epileptic refineries for domestic use.

Nigeria

Kaduna Refinery (NNPC), 110,000 bbl/d (17,000 m3/d)
Port Harcourt Refinery (NNPC), 210,000 bbl/d (33,000 m3/d)
Warri Refinery (NNPC), 125,000 bbl/d (19,900 m3/d)

I know Nigeria does not have "hundreds" of refineries. It was a figure of speech.

NairobiWalker:


So have you been discriminated in Kenya? And no...............we don't think every Nigerian does drugs but we might think a Nigeriam does drugs when he keeps on complaining whenever Kenya deports a Nigerian drug dealer.............and NO - your ethnocentric-ism is not limited to online debates. I know in Kenya we still have this ethnocentrism problem but saying it is better in Nigeria is clearly stupid. Yorubas riot in the streets of Lagos demanding Igbos to go back to their homeland all the time. There is frequent looting on non-resident ethnicicities property in Nigeria all the time. The things that happens in Nigeria due to ethnicity could make Kenya's situation look like child's play.

what riots on the streets of Lagos. Ask any Igbo guy meet if he has ever been threatened with eviction.

The Oba of Lagos made a joke about drowning them in the ocean last election if they did not vote the ruling party of Lagos state, that is about as ethnocentric things get in Lagos. We don't have tribal riots in Nigeria bro, where exactly did you get this info? am curious to know...

NairobiWalker:


So have you been discriminated in Kenya? And no...............we don't think every Nigerian does drugs but we might think a Nigeriam does drugs when he keeps on complaining whenever Kenya deports a Nigerian drug dealer.............and NO - your ethnocentric-ism is not limited to online debates. I know in Kenya we still have this ethnocentrism problem but saying it is better in Nigeria is clearly stupid. Yorubas riot in the streets of Lagos demanding Igbos to go back to their homeland all the time. There is frequent looting on non-resident ethnicicities property in Nigeria all the time. The things that happens in Nigeria due to ethnicity could make Kenya's situation look like child's play.

what things happen in Nigeria happen due to ethnicity? are you dreaming??

MtuMsuper:

Travel is good if you know what to do with it. If i can't go to the mountain, the mountain must come to me, hence my participation in this and many other online fora. I wish God to add to my days and grant me the privilege of seeing your country. I want a chance to see the world, its people and learn from them. Many kenyans are labouring hard here on NL to present a fair picture of their country while you are busy steeped in unhelpful and ridiculous stereotypes about it, despite living there for 10 years as you say. We were hoping that the discussion would take a path unencumbered by prejudice and innuendo and focusing on factual information as opposed to an (biased) individual's opinion or experience that can never stand up to scrutiny. Please present us with reasoned debate and not knee jerk responses.

It must be frustrating to be somewhere people have a 1 dimensional view of you, ignoring your personal attributes in favour of a generalization about you, clearly diminishing your worth. Such is life. Maybe now you understand how kenyans abroad feel when they are subjected to the tired skinny marathoner stereotype when 90% of us completely suck at it and for most of us, the only running we do is to improve our own lives. As for the drug dealer thing, am sorry but experience has proven that a disproportionate number of you happen to do these things when a guest in another country. Weed out the culture at home first.

I think you are mistaken, there are more Nigerians in Kenya doing legal work, some may be in the country illegally but they do own legal businesses.

Yes travel is good and in just so you'd know, I come to the defense of your country every time some idiot in Lagos makes stupid comments about how Kenyans are like this or that., only to come on Nairaland and find Kenyans taking shots at Nigeria too, it is sickening. You must mistake me for a narrow minded untraveled person. Corruption, poor infrastructure, unstable power grid and we have come this far. Imagine what we would do when these problems become a thing of the past. Nigeria is the giant of Africa, take or leave it, hate it or love it.

It is not a stereo type to say Kenyans are ethnocentric in their thinking because you clearly see it every where you go. I can't remember the last time main stream politicians in Nigeria made violent comments of killing their opposition based on tribe, that rubbish only happens in Kenya. If it does in Nigeria, said person would not garner any votes. Politicians leave the ethnocentric stuff for uneducated or misguided Nigerians.

LeSudAfricaine:
Ouch!

I quite disagree, Nigeria is the giant of Africa, sleeping but albeit the giant. Even with bad infrastructure, little or no stable power grid and corruption, look how far we have come. You need to be very afraid for the moment she awakes bro.

naijalander:



what riots on the streets of Lagos. Ask any Igbo guy meet if he has ever been threatened with eviction.

The Oba of Lagos made a joke about drowning them in the ocean last election if they did not vote the ruling party of Lagos state, that is about as ethnocentric things get in Lagos. We don't have tribal riots in Nigeria bro, where exactly did you get this info? am curious to know...

https://www.nairaland.com/2969382/yoruba-hausa-fight-mile-12#43449737
http://www.viviangist.com/yoruba-vs-hausa-fight-in-mile-12-lagos-details-and-graphic-photos

Eyewitness accounts say that at least four people have died, while security operatives are battling to get the violence under control.

Huge plumes of smoke can been seen bellowing from a distance as houses have been set ablaze.

Residents of the area have remained indoors for fear of being attacked.

No one has been able to give reasons for the crisis as at the time of this report.

The Lagos State Government has closed down the markets in the area temporarily, and has vowed to deal with miscreants and law breakers.

The State Government is also appealing to parents to ensure that their wards are law abiding. - Online Reporter.

o fewer than three persons are feared dead and several cars set ablaze as Hausa and Yoruba traders clashed at the popular Mile 12 Market in Lagos State.

It was gathered that the foundation for the clash was laid on Tuesday after a[b] Hausa[/b] commercial bike rider knocked down a woman.

The bike rider was told to take the woman to the hospital, but the rider and his colleagues refused.

They insisted that the motorbike association, which collects tolls from them, should take care of the woman. There was heated argument, which led to a fight.

The fighting continued all through Wednesday till Thursday (today) when some thugs, believed to be of[b] Yoruba[/b] origin, invaded the market and started attacking the Hausas.

They burnt seven cars and killed three Hausa traders.

The Lagos State Commissioner of Police, Fatai Owoseni; the Commander of the Rapid Response Squad, Olatunji Disu; the Deputy Commissioner of Police in charge of Operation, Lagos State Police Command; and teams of policemen were still at the scene as at the time of filing the report. - Online Reporter

NairobiWalker:


Lol, there is absolutely no place in Ibadan that can match Runda, that's a cold lie. Lagos would be lucky to have estates matching Runda - perhaps Abuja can try.

Lagos is a much more beautiful city than Nairobi so don't even compare. I had resisted posting pictures because I find it rather corny posting pictures when you have slums surrounding the beauty. This is what you have so far refused to admit. How can you say Lagos would be lucky to have estates matching Runda? are you high on shashamani weed


https://www.nairaland.com/1988279/10-unbelievable-photos-lagos-mistake

Even the most recent project, Eko Atlantic City cannot be compared to what you have in Nairobi. Lagos has the longest bridge in Africa, the Third Mainland Bridge and you saying it will be lucky to have estates like Runda, what is Runda compared to Banana Island? Banana Island houses the richest black folks on the planet!

https://www.nairaland.com/4234/pictures-lagos-skyline-city-scape/10

These pictures are old by the way.

Kenyanstar:


https://www.nairaland.com/2969382/yoruba-hausa-fight-mile-12#43449737
http://www.viviangist.com/yoruba-vs-hausa-fight-in-mile-12-lagos-details-and-graphic-photos

Eyewitness accounts say that at least four people have died, while security operatives are battling to get the violence under control.

Huge plumes of smoke can been seen bellowing from a distance as houses have been set ablaze.

Residents of the area have remained indoors for fear of being attacked.

No one has been able to give reasons for the crisis as at the time of this report.

The Lagos State Government has closed down the markets in the area temporarily, and has vowed to deal with miscreants and law breakers.

The State Government is also appealing to parents to ensure that their wards are law abiding. - Online Reporter.

o fewer than three persons are feared dead and several cars set ablaze as Hausa and Yoruba traders clashed at the popular Mile 12 Market in Lagos State.

It was gathered that the foundation for the clash was laid on Tuesday after a[b] Hausa[/b] commercial bike rider knocked down a woman.

The bike rider was told to take the woman to the hospital, but the rider and his colleagues refused.

They insisted that the motorbike association, which collects tolls from them, should take care of the woman. There was heated argument, which led to a fight.

The fighting continued all through Wednesday till Thursday (today) when some thugs, believed to be of[b] Yoruba[/b] origin, invaded the market and started attacking the Hausas.

They burnt seven cars and killed three Hausa traders.

The Lagos State Commissioner of Police, Fatai Owoseni; the Commander of the Rapid Response Squad, Olatunji Disu; the Deputy Commissioner of Police in charge of Operation, Lagos State Police Command; and teams of policemen were still at the scene as at the time of filing the report. - Online Reporter

I know these stories and the conflict was not based on ethnicity! do you research!

Just because they wrote "thugs of Yoruba origin" does not mean the attack was based on tribe.

My girlfriend's mother is an Hausa lady, do you know how much inter marriages are common in Nigeria??

How many stories do we hear of Luos leaving their Kikuyu wives??

Bifwoli:


BOLD ASS LIES that Nigeria has hundreds of refineries. ITs a huge stretch to claim that Nigeria has more refineries than even Japan,UK,Germany
combined.
That's a bold ass lie Nigeria has only four refineries and you import most of your refined petroleum.What other lies have you told now?

To say that Nigerian supermarket chains are bigger in Nigerian retail market is a lie because it is one of the least formalized retail trade market.If that were true then Shoprite would have closed shop long ago due to your "bigger competitors" but instead its making serious inroads bcuz those supermarkets lack experience and forex to import is in serious shortage ,

South african chains like Shoprite, Pick "N' Pay and Spar dominate Nigerian retail trade.

and you know they dominate how?? you must be high

Unlike Kenyas, Nigerians are not "mall" people. A small markets similar to the ones Indians own in Parklands are quite common in Nigeria. Nigerians don't rush into malls to buy stuff so how can you say these chains dominate when there are several other chains present. Like Just Rite. Its Nigerian owned.

naijalander:



I know these stories and the conflict was not based on ethnicity! do you research!

Just because they wrote "thugs of Yoruba origin" does not mean the attack was based on tribe.

My girlfriend's mother is an Hausa lady, do you know how much inter marriages are common in Nigeria??

How many stories do we hear of Luos leaving their Kikuyu wives??

The Federal Republic of Nigeria, commonly referred to as Nigeria is a federal constitutional republic in West Africa, bordering Benin in the west, Chad and Cameroon in the east, and Niger in the north. Its coast in the south lies on the Gulf of Guinea in the Atlantic Ocean. It comprises 36 states and the Federal Capital Territory, where the capital, Abuja is located. Nigeria is officially a democratic secular country.

The country is viewed as a multinational state, as it is inhabited by over 500 ethnic groups, of which the three largest are the Hausa, Igbo and Yoruba; these ethnic groups speak over 500 different languages, and are identified with wide variety of cultures.
The official language is English. Nigeria is divided roughly in half between Christians, who live mostly in the southern part of the country, and Muslims in the northern part. A minority of the population practise religions indigenous to Nigeria, such as those native to Igbo and Yoruba peoples.

Over the past few years thousands of people have been killed in ethnic clashes. Behind these conflicts lie the interests of the elite in each state. What gives rise to this? And what is the way forward? This article examines the problem.

CAUSES OF TRIBAL CONFLICT



Poverty
One such factor, the most powerful, is the ever-increasing level of poverty-typified in joblessness, deteriorating infrastructures, etc. All these clashes are due to the fundamental crisis of underdevelopment; there is widespread poverty and this gives rise to a scramble for limited resources. Most of these communities are no better than slums. Industries are shutting down with the attendant consequences of job losses; most families find it difficult to feed themselves. There are no potable water, no good roads, proper medical facilities, social infrastructures, and no good schools. Environments such as these generate fear distrust hatred, frustrations, anger, etc. Under such circumstances, it is easy to believe that if the other ethnic group(s) go away there will be enough.



Manipulations
These factors provide classic hot beds for ethnic clashes. Recognising this the ruling class consciously exploits the poison of ethnicism as a means of keeping the working class permanently divided and diverting their attention away from the real problems confronting them - the crisis of Nigerian capitalism. Nor is this policy of "divide and rule" an exclusive phenomenon. It is the resort of the ruling class internationally. It is a conscious policy of the ruling class that allows for their continuing oppression and exploitation of the poor working masses, their continuing hold onto power.
The manipulation of ethnic differences reflects the fear of the ruling class of the potentials of the Nigerian working class and it‚s capacity for unity - a unity that cuts across ethnic lines.
The conscious manipulation of ethnic consciousness under terrible social conditions gives rise to periodic explosions of ethnic clashes.
This is also a reflection of the inability of the ruling class to foster genuine unity among the masses. It confirms the fact that capitalism and ethnic violence are interlinked; you cannot have the former without the latter.
However, the working masses of the various ethnic groups know that the same forces are oppressing them. Were the workers that marched with Adams Oshiomhole to protest the 3.5 and 2.5 million Naira furniture allowance for Senators and legislators respectively, ethnically homogeneous? Did their population not cut across diverse ethnic groups?
The same forces oppressing the Niger-Delta working masses are the same oppressing the Hausa-Fulani, the Ibo, Yoruba, Itsekiri, Ijaw, Ilaje, etc working masses.
This is not to say that there is nothing like the subjugation of smaller ethnic groups by dominant ethnic groups. It is rooted in the subjugation of backward nations by advanced nations. Both are rooted in the class structure of society-in the capitalist system.
Continue reading on http://naijajournals..com/2016/01/tribal-conflict-common-hatred-amongst.html


https://www.thenews.ng/metro/yorubas-and-nuper-people-clash-during-tribal-unrest-in-kwara-state/
There was an ethnic clash between the Yoruba and Nupe residents of Tsaragi of recent. TheNews.NG gathered that, there have always been communal issues between a Yoruba dominated Share and Tsaragi since the 90s. however the recent attack on the community reportedly started after a disagreement over the felling of some trees at the UMCA school on Share land. This allegedly led the Tsaragi people to attack their victims with machetes, rods and guns.
See more photos from the mayhem allegedly carried out by the people of Tsaragi, a Nupe speaking town in Share, Ifelodun Local Government Area of Kwara State

Kenyanstar:


The Federal Republic of Nigeria, commonly referred to as Nigeria is a federal constitutional republic in West Africa, bordering Benin in the west, Chad and Cameroon in the east, and Niger in the north. Its coast in the south lies on the Gulf of Guinea in the Atlantic Ocean. It comprises 36 states and the Federal Capital Territory, where the capital, Abuja is located. Nigeria is officially a democratic secular country.

The country is viewed as a multinational state, as it is inhabited by over 500 ethnic groups, of which the three largest are the Hausa, Igbo and Yoruba; these ethnic groups speak over 500 different languages, and are identified with wide variety of cultures.
The official language is English. Nigeria is divided roughly in half between Christians, who live mostly in the southern part of the country, and Muslims in the northern part. A minority of the population practise religions indigenous to Nigeria, such as those native to Igbo and Yoruba peoples.

Over the past few years thousands of people have been killed in ethnic clashes. Behind these conflicts lie the interests of the elite in each state. What gives rise to this? And what is the way forward? This article examines the problem.

CAUSES OF TRIBAL CONFLICT



Poverty
One such factor, the most powerful, is the ever-increasing level of poverty-typified in joblessness, deteriorating infrastructures, etc. All these clashes are due to the fundamental crisis of underdevelopment; there is widespread poverty and this gives rise to a scramble for limited resources. Most of these communities are no better than slums. Industries are shutting down with the attendant consequences of job losses; most families find it difficult to feed themselves. There are no potable water, no good roads, proper medical facilities, social infrastructures, and no good schools. Environments such as these generate fear distrust hatred, frustrations, anger, etc. Under such circumstances, it is easy to believe that if the other ethnic group(s) go away there will be enough.



Manipulations
These factors provide classic hot beds for ethnic clashes. Recognising this the ruling class consciously exploits the poison of ethnicism as a means of keeping the working class permanently divided and diverting their attention away from the real problems confronting them - the crisis of Nigerian capitalism. Nor is this policy of "divide and rule" an exclusive phenomenon. It is the resort of the ruling class internationally. It is a conscious policy of the ruling class that allows for their continuing oppression and exploitation of the poor working masses, their continuing hold onto power.
The manipulation of ethnic differences reflects the fear of the ruling class of the potentials of the Nigerian working class and it‚s capacity for unity - a unity that cuts across ethnic lines.
The conscious manipulation of ethnic consciousness under terrible social conditions gives rise to periodic explosions of ethnic clashes.
This is also a reflection of the inability of the ruling class to foster genuine unity among the masses. It confirms the fact that capitalism and ethnic violence are interlinked; you cannot have the former without the latter.
However, the working masses of the various ethnic groups know that the same forces are oppressing them. Were the workers that marched with Adams Oshiomhole to protest the 3.5 and 2.5 million Naira furniture allowance for Senators and legislators respectively, ethnically homogeneous? Did their population not cut across diverse ethnic groups?
The same forces oppressing the Niger-Delta working masses are the same oppressing the Hausa-Fulani, the Ibo, Yoruba, Itsekiri, Ijaw, Ilaje, etc working masses.
This is not to say that there is nothing like the subjugation of smaller ethnic groups by dominant ethnic groups. It is rooted in the subjugation of backward nations by advanced nations. Both are rooted in the class structure of society-in the capitalist system.
Continue reading on http://naijajournals..com/2016/01/tribal-conflict-common-hatred-amongst.html


https://www.thenews.ng/metro/yorubas-and-nuper-people-clash-during-tribal-unrest-in-kwara-state/
There was an ethnic clash between the Yoruba and Nupe residents of Tsaragi of recent. TheNews.NG gathered that, there have always been communal issues between a Yoruba dominated Share and Tsaragi since the 90s. however the recent attack on the community reportedly started after a disagreement over the felling of some trees at the UMCA school on Share land. This allegedly led the Tsaragi people to attack their victims with machetes, rods and guns.
See more photos from the mayhem allegedly carried out by the people of Tsaragi, a Nupe speaking town in Share, Ifelodun Local Government Area of Kwara State

I can post a hundred more articles about communal clashes in Kenya. Again why are you depending on random un proved sources for your arguments. When you look at the root cause of these clashes, it is rarely ever ethnically motivated. Do your research.

NairobiWalker:


For the zillionth time stop contradicting yourself. You can simply apologize for your earlier assertions if you wish to have a change of mind and we'll be fine.

I apologize for my earlier assertions and insults to the people of Kenya.

To be quite objective, my views about Nigeria being a sleeping giant remains.

naijalander:


and you know they dominate how?? you must be high

Unlike Kenyas, Nigerians are not "mall" people. A small markets similar to the ones Indians own in Parklands are quite common in Nigeria. Nigerians don't rush into malls to buy stuff so how can you say these chains dominate when there are several other chains present. Like Just Rite. Its Nigerian owned.

https://newtelegraphonline.com/onitsha-shoprite-idles-away/
The new shoprite in Ibadan jammed to the brim with Nigerians

https://www.nairaland.com/2571985/shoprite-ibadan-imports-banana-watermelon#37611596
and below products imported from neighbouring Ghana and South Africa to sell in Nigeria

Kenyanstar:


https://newtelegraphonline.com/onitsha-shoprite-idles-away/
The new shoprite in Ibadan jammed to the brim with Nigerians

https://www.nairaland.com/2571985/shoprite-ibadan-imports-banana-watermelon#37611596
and below products imported from neighbouring Ghana and South Africa to sell in Nigeria

And this proves what exactly? did I say people don't go to malls in Nigeria? does that mean every single person of the 170m people goes to shoprite to groceries. Can you stop being so immature and argue with realistic facts.

naijalander:



I know these stories and the conflict was not based on ethnicity! do you research!

Just because they wrote "thugs of Yoruba origin" does not mean the attack was based on tribe.

My girlfriend's mother is an Hausa lady, do you know how much inter marriages are common in Nigeria??

How many stories do we hear of Luos leaving their Kikuyu wives??

Can you estimate the number of Ethnic/political/Secterian/Terrorism violence of Kenya since independence and compare the same with the amount of violence witnessed in Nigeria over the same amount of time in Nigeria....
For example in Kenya in the past 5yrs how many have been victims of ethnic clashes, Political violence, secterian violence and terrorism related violence in relation to this few months to Nigerian
Ethnic clashes- Fulani herdsmen have killed more than 1000 this year alone over pasture
Political - Militants have destroyed both lives and property in the oil areas this year
Secterian - Pro-Shiites rioting and revenging against christians
Terrorism -Boko haram killing more than 5000 in villages and collateral damage among civilians

The total number of violence in Nigeria in 1 yr dwarfs Kenyas in 55yrs since independence.

naijalander:



what riots on the streets of Lagos. Ask any Igbo guy meet if he has ever been threatened with eviction.

The Oba of Lagos made a joke about drowning them in the ocean last election if they did not vote the ruling party of Lagos state, that is about as ethnocentric things get in Lagos. We don't have tribal riots in Nigeria bro, where exactly did you get this info? am curious to know...

naijalander:



It is not a stereo type to say Kenyans are ethnocentric in their thinking because you clearly see it every where you go. I can't remember the last time main stream politicians in Nigeria made violent comments of killing their opposition based on tribe, that rubbish only happens in Kenya. If it does in Nigeria, said person would not garner any votes. Politicians leave the ethnocentric stuff for uneducated or misguided Nigerians.

Dude, you are either one ignorant person or overly patriotic - just because Kenyan media is obsessed with politics and will report when some politicians wife doesn't know how to cook (something that many right thinking Kenyans are ashamed of) doesn't mean the rest of Africa is clean with no ethnocentric politics. As bad as Kenya is, you wont find demonstrations like these happening anywhere in Kenya. I hope you're not going to tell me to stop trusting photos and travel to Nigeria to see for myself again.

NairobiWalker:



Dude, you are either one ignorant person or overly patriotic - just because Kenyan media is obsessed with politics and will report when some politicians wife doesn't know how to cook (something that many right thinking Kenyans are ashamed of) doesn't mean the rest of Africa is clean with no ethnocentric politics. As bad as Kenya is, you wont find demonstrations like these happening anywhere in Kenya. I hope you're not going to tell me to stop trusting photos and travel to Nigeria to see for myself again.

Oga did I tell you there is no ethnocentrism in Nigeria. Africa is rife with tribalism, that is the reality we have to deal with but yours in Kenya is on another level entirely. When was the last time the idiots in Western Kenyan peacefully demonstrated like this?? It would be stone throwing and shop looting instead. Get your facts right. Also look below for more recent photos on Nigeria, the page as an album of Kenya too.

https://www.facebook.com/184441788339741/photos/?tab=album&album_id=868867736563806

Where did all this Kenyans and South Africans emanate from? Look,at how they're dishing it to Nigerians on nairaland. All this one Nigeria zombies should come and defend their zoo homeland.

naijalander:



Lagos is a much more beautiful city than Nairobi so don't even compare. I had resisted posting pictures because I find it rather corny posting pictures when you have slums surrounding the beauty. This is what you have so far refused to admit. How can you say Lagos would be lucky to have estates matching Runda? are you high on shashamani weed


https://www.nairaland.com/1988279/10-unbelievable-photos-lagos-mistake

Even the most recent project, Eko Atlantic City cannot be compared to what you have in Nairobi. Lagos has the longest bridge in Africa, the Third Mainland Bridge and you saying it will be lucky to have estates like Runda, what is Runda compared to Banana Island? Banana Island houses the richest black folks on the planet!

https://www.nairaland.com/4234/pictures-lagos-skyline-city-scape/10

These pictures are old by the way.

Lagos more beautiful than Nairobi? Lol, you must be out of your mind. I have been to Lagos btw and the only thing Lagos beats Nairobi on is size. You can NEVER find an estate well organized and landscaped like Runda in Lagos, NEVER. Lagos might have mansions but they are normally surrounded by thick high walls and the whole compound made of Cabro stones - I wonder who told Nigerians that makes an estate beautiful . No trees no landscapes. In Nairobi there are many well planned estates and neighborhoods that you won't find in Lagos. You are dreaming bro.

Cut the patriotism and compare those threads you posted with this one below of Nairobi and make an honest opinion. The airports alone start telling the stories of these two cities.

https://www.nairaland.com/51356/nairobi-photos-kenya-beautiful-east/179

Kenyanstar:


Can you estimate the number of Ethnic/political/Secterian/Terrorism violence of Kenya since independence and compare the same with the amount of violence witnessed in Nigeria over the same amount of time in Nigeria....
For example in Kenya in the past 5yrs how many have been victims of ethnic clashes, Political violence, secterian violence and terrorism related violence in relation to this few months to Nigerian
Ethnic clashes- Fulani herdsmen have killed more than 1000 this year alone over pasture
Political - Militants have destroyed both lives and property in the oil areas this year
Secterian - Pro-Shiites rioting and revenging against christians
Terrorism -Boko haram killing more than 5000 in villages and collateral damage among civilians

The total number of violence in Nigeria in 1 yr dwarfs Kenyas in 55yrs since independence.

Complete BS, Fulani Herdsmen clashes are over grazing land do your research. Fulanis also clash amongst themselves, so do Yoruba, Hausa, Igbo and the rest of them.

Nigeria is more ethnically mixed than Kenya so of course you'd expect more clashes but the heart of these clashes, ethnic sentiments are very little!

NairobiWalker:


Lagos more beautiful than Nairobi? Lol, you must be out of your mind. I have been to Lagos btw and the only thing Lagos beats Nairobi on is size. You can NEVER find an estate well organized and landscaped like Runda in Lagos, NEVER. Lagos might have mansions but they are normally surrounded by thick high walls and the whole compound made of Cabro stones - I wonder who told Nigerians that makes an estate beautiful . No trees no landscapes. In Nairobi there are many well planned estates and neighborhoods that you won't find in Lagos. You are dreaming bro.

Where in Lagos did you live? How long did you stay? did you visit every nook and cranny?? Why are you so ignorant??

iSlayer2:
Where did all this Kenyans and South Africans emanate from? Look,at how they're dishing it to Nigerians on nairaland. All this one Nigeria zombies should come and defend their zoo homeland.

dude you are not helping, let those defending do the work. If have nothing positive to add, keep quiet. Nigeria is a zoo we get it. Move on.

naijalander:



I know these stories and the conflict was not based on ethnicity! do you research!

Just because they wrote "thugs of Yoruba origin" does not mean the attack was based on tribe.

My girlfriend's mother is an Hausa lady, do you know how much inter marriages are common in Nigeria??

How many stories do we hear of Luos leaving their Kikuyu wives??

..........and how many stories do you hear of Lous remaining with their Kikuyu wives? Divorces happen everywhere buddy even within same ethnicities. You are getting pathetic.

naijalander:



And this proves what exactly? did I say people don't go to malls in Nigeria? does that mean every single person of the 170m people goes to shoprite to groceries. Can you stop being so immature and argue with realistic facts.

What does my argument prove?

Most Nigerians are over dependent on foreign based investors in the retail chain market and products outsourced from other countries. The Nigerian economy lacks value addition thus requiring direct foreign investments from outside. Most Nigerian consumers believe on products from outside Nigeria thus implying that local retailers are under investing or providing low consumer services making it a direct beneficial for retail chains out from Nigeria to rip billions from gullible Nigerians.
How can bananas from Ghana considering the scale of importation and local outsourcing this huge retailers would prefer to import from 5000km away or across the border products that can easily be found within Naija? Doesnt make sense et al.