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Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by jonbellion(m): 12:28am On Nov 01, 2016
johnydon22:


Asin eeeehn this is getting real bad and hot, wouldn't like to be him now grin

i was expecting at least pictorial evidence even if it's photoshopped but got a story as a meal...

The story of 'Three little pigs' is beginning to sound real to me now grin

something just as simple as this

[img]http://www.washington.edu/news/files/2013/07/ProsthesisDevice-09.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.washington.edu/news/files/2013/07/ProsthesisDevice-38.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.washington.edu/news/files/2013/07/ProsthesisDevice-49.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.washington.edu/news/files/2013/07/ProsthesisDevice-67.jpg[/img]

Don't you just love science grin Don't claim it, just prove it!!!
lol if we could see that kind of thing for religion everyone would just follow Christ
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by TomHagen: 12:31am On Nov 01, 2016
Deicide:

Sir is this the New Excuse you Are coming Up with? Why not Show us The b4 and After At least even if it's a Picture Photoshop is Acceptable
Exactly my point.
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by johnydon22(m): 12:31am On Nov 01, 2016
jonbellion:
lol if we could see that kind of thing for religion everyone would just follow Christ

Don't hold your breathe on that. they are only good at claiming it... two words always murder each ridiculous claim.

prove it

Just like i did above..

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Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by TomHagen: 12:32am On Nov 01, 2016
johnydon22:


Oga is this another way of agreeing you have nothing? grin Can you simply agree so you can just sleep better tonight or does it pay to deny the obvious?
I have nothing that can satisfy you.
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by johnydon22(m): 12:32am On Nov 01, 2016
TomHagen:
Exactly my point.

Bros simply agree you don't have any proof and save face - i gave an example above!!!
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by Marvyx(m): 12:34am On Nov 01, 2016
johnydon22:


Asin eeeehn this is getting real bad and hot, wouldn't like to be him now grin

i was expecting at least pictorial evidence even if it's photoshopped but got a story as a meal...

The story of 'Three little pigs' is beginning to sound real to me now grin

Even if he provided you with pictorial evidence, you will still not believe because your mind is already made up. Personally I pray that Jesus personally reaches out to people like you and your friends on NL.

I've made up my mind not to be part of baseless arguments as it profits me nothing. If I perceived that you were looking for answers I would have loved to give them to you. But like I said, your mind is closed.

The last time I argued with an atheist on NL, I told him something which I will still tell you and Deicide now.

We all have an expiry date in this world. You will leave this world one day so will I.... But when that time comes, we will know who was foolish to believe in God or not .

I still pray that you come to salvation before the last day because you will remember all your posts, my post and every Christian that tried to talk to you on NL and beyond. Cheers bro smiley
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by TomHagen: 12:35am On Nov 01, 2016
jonbellion:
no offence to your beliefs but faith healing isn't reliable evidence usually most people that feel healed are basically feeling a placebo. There have been countless stories of people that died as a result not to mention that smith higgleworth guy had absurd ways of "healing" hitting people, punching them and things like that
Speak for yourself. Say it isn't reliable for you. It is for many others.
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by johnydon22(m): 12:35am On Nov 01, 2016
TomHagen:
I have nothing that can satisfy you.

I agree that you have nothing, that is why you need faith to believe every whim, coercion and absurd fantasies thrown at you in your blind comformity to sheepish unsupported beliefs.

If you had something you wouldn't require faith, where there is proof there is no need for faith. People only apply faith when they lack tangible reasons to believe something.

Now it has been nailed that your beliefs are not only subjective but baseless and unsupported - i hope you'd agree it will be an act of fraud and criminal lie to teach it as truth to the public, and even more so insane to believe it as real.

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Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by TomHagen: 12:37am On Nov 01, 2016
johnydon22:


Bros simply agree you don't have any proof and save face - i gave an example above!!!
I thought I said that already. I have no proof that will satisfy you.
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by TomHagen: 12:38am On Nov 01, 2016
Marvyx:


Even if he provided you with pictorial evidence, you will still not believe because your mind is already made up. Personally I pray that Jesus personally reaches out to people like you and your friends on NL.

I've made up my mind not to be part of baseless arguments as it profits me nothing. If I perceived that you were looking for answers I would have loved to give them to you. But like I said, your mind is closed.

The last time I argued with an atheist on NL, I told him something which I will still tell you and Deicide now.

We all have an expiry date in this world. You will leave this world one day so will I.... But when that time comes, we will know who was foolish to believe in God or not .

I still pray that you come to salvation before the last day because you will remember all your posts, my post and every Christian that tried to talk to you on NL and beyond. Cheers bro smiley
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by johnydon22(m): 12:38am On Nov 01, 2016
Marvyx:


Even if he provided you with pictorial evidence, you will still not believe because your mind is already made up. Personally I pray that Jesus personally reaches out to people like you and your friends on NL.

I've made up my mind not to be part of baseless arguments as it profits me nothing. If I perceived that you were looking for answers I would have loved to give them to you. But like I said, your mind is closed.

The last time I argued with an atheist on NL, I told him something which I will still tell you and Deicide now.

We all have an expiry date in this world. You will leave this world one day so will I.... But when that time comes, we will know who was foolish to believe in God or not .

I still pray that you come to salvation before the last day because you will remember all your posts, my post and every Christian that tried to talk to you on NL and beyond. Cheers bro smiley

Oh Jesus Christ!!! Not one of these again #Sighs.

Just simply give us the pics and videos first not these silly old tired excuses please...
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by jonbellion(m): 12:39am On Nov 01, 2016
TomHagen:
Speak for yourself. Say it isn't reliable for you. It is for many others.
okay. Don't take drugs when you're ill just go and meet benny hinn
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by johnydon22(m): 12:40am On Nov 01, 2016
TomHagen:
I thought I said that already. I have no proof that will satisfy you.

You don't even have proof at all not to talk of one that can be regarded satisfactory.
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by jonbellion(m): 12:41am On Nov 01, 2016
[quote author=TomHagen post=50667214][/quote]actually we WOULD believe that's the point of evidence. The thought of heaven is beautiful who wouldn't like the idea. But I have come to the realization that it is basically a coping mechanism for the fear of our own mortality

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Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by TomHagen: 12:43am On Nov 01, 2016
johnydon22:


You don't even have proof at all not to talk of one that can be regarded satisfactory.
See. You have decided what proof is.
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by johnydon22(m): 12:44am On Nov 01, 2016
TomHagen:
See. You have decided what proof is.

Oga stop prolonging your ordeal, you are done.. smiley
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by TomHagen: 12:45am On Nov 01, 2016
jonbellion:
actually we WOULD believe that's the point of evidence. The thought of heaven is beautiful who wouldn't like the idea. But I have come to the realization that it is basically a coping mechanism for the fear of our own mortality
My experiences suffice as evidence for me.
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by TomHagen: 12:46am On Nov 01, 2016
johnydon22:

Oga stop prolonging your ordeal, you are done.. smiley
Oh well...
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by johnydon22(m): 12:48am On Nov 01, 2016
TomHagen:
My experiences suffice as evidence for me.

Good, now the point of it all is that you shouldn't peddle your 'gut feelings' as objective truth to the public because it not only makes you fraudulent but also makes you a liar.

Even mad people in the market believe their experience is enough .. I can think of no bigger madness than believing someone else's hallucinations are real.
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by Deicide: 12:54am On Nov 01, 2016
Marvyx:


Even if he provided you with pictorial evidence, you will still not believe because your mind is already made up. Personally I pray that Jesus personally reaches out to people like you and your friends on NL.


Am sorry but my mind is Not made up You Can Change It With Evidence!!

I've made up my mind not to be part of baseless arguments as it profits me nothing. If I perceived that you were looking for answers I would have loved to give them to you. But like I said, your mind is closed.


Like i said if you have Evidence Bring them forward!

The last time I argued with an atheist on NL, I told him something which I will still tell you and Deicide now.

We all have an expiry date in this world. You will leave this world one day so will I.... But when that time comes, we will know who was foolish to believe in God or not .

Mortality is A biological function it Affect all Animals On Earth So i Don't Get Ur Point

So you think Yahweh is the Only God there is Wow am actually laughing at you Foolishness right Now

I still pray that you come to salvation before the last day because you will remember all your posts, my post and every Christian that tried to talk to you on NL and beyond. Cheers bro smiley
I only Pray that You Discover the One true God The flying Spaghetti monster So you don't Burn in Hell RAmen

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Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by TomHagen: 12:56am On Nov 01, 2016
johnydon22:


Good, now the point of it all is that you shouldn't peddle your 'gut feelings' as objective truth to the public because it not only makes you fraudulent but also makes you a liar.

Even mad people in the market believe their experience is enough .. I can think of no bigger madness than believing someone else's hallucinations are real.
...and when millions of people are having the same ''hallucinations''?...
Do not appeal to authority by saying 'religion' please.
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by johnydon22(m): 12:59am On Nov 01, 2016
TomHagen:
...and when millions of people are having the same ''hallucinations''?...
Do not appeal to authority by saying 'religion' please.
Argumentum ad populum - A desperate last gasp that is, a typical expected fallacy.

Millions of people believing the same fantasy and yet not even a single proof. . .

Almost all humans on earth once believed the earth was flat and the sun went around it.

A lie is a lie even if everyone believe it.

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Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by jonbellion(m): 1:04am On Nov 01, 2016
The sad thing about christians is that they are so arrogant thinking that they have a special place in the universe. That's why they can poach animals and make them face the danger of extinction. They never ponder if animals feel pain or even have souls. Basically after all the universe was made for them. News flash it's not the universe hates us. We are on a crash course with the andromeda galaxy, there are rougue black holes. Gamma ray bursts that can destroy the earths ozone layer they happen like everyday in distant galaxies. There are large astriods that can end all life on this planet medium ones are as effective as a nuclear bomb and can cause a nuclear winter or bring us to another ice age. Not the mention the temperature of the universe is approaching absolute zero. Science is basically our way if outsmarting the universe but religious fundamentalists wouldn't let it be. Intellegent design is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard

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Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by TomHagen: 1:09am On Nov 01, 2016
johnydon22:
Argumentum ad populum - A desperate last gasp that is, a typical expected fallacy.

Millions of people believing the same fantasy and yet not even a single proof. . .

Almost all humans on earth once believed the earth was flat and the sun went around it.

A lie is a lie even if everyone believe it.
...that is acceptable to you..
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by Marvyx(m): 1:42am On Nov 01, 2016
Deicide:

Am sorry but my mind is Not made up You Can Change It With Evidence!!

Like i said if you have Evidence Bring them forward!

Mortality is A biological function it Affect all Animals On Earth So i Don't Get Ur Point

So you think Yahweh is the Only God there is Wow am actually laughing at you Foolishness right Now

I only Pray that You Discover the One true God The flying Spaghetti monster So you don't Burn in Hell RAmen

Lol.. Dude it is visible to the blind and audible to the deaf that your mind is closed.

Even if you see an evidence, you will still come up with logical explanation to disprove it.

A day of reckoning is coming when all truth will be revealed. I still earnestly pray that you will be saved before that day. Cheers smiley
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by jonbellion(m): 2:23am On Nov 01, 2016
Marvyx:


Lol.. Dude it is visible to the blind and audible to the deaf that your mind is closed.

Even if you see an evidence, you will still come up with logical explanation to disprove it.

A day of reckoning is coming when all truth will be revealed. I still earnestly pray that you will be saved before that day. Cheers smiley
lol truth that what?
All eyes would see Jesus Christ
On an earth that ain't flat
With a flying horse?
So jesus can survive the vacum of space
Is he faster than the speed of light??
Why didn't he disappear since heaven isn't in this dimension. Instead he flew
Please which of the trillions of galaxies does he stay in cuz our closest galaxy andromeda it takes 2.5 million years for the light to reach earth. Anytime we look at it we are looking into the past
Unless jesus is somehow faster than the speed of light
How are you not realising this is bullshit??
You really have to face the fact that you are stardust but it's honestly a beautiful thing
The universe is basically in us and we are part of it. This is the greatest spiritual feeling anybody can ask for

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Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by kevoh(m): 7:09am On Nov 01, 2016
johnydon22:


[img]http://www.washington.edu/news/files/2013/07/ProsthesisDevice-09.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.washington.edu/news/files/2013/07/ProsthesisDevice-38.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.washington.edu/news/files/2013/07/ProsthesisDevice-49.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.washington.edu/news/files/2013/07/ProsthesisDevice-67.jpg[/img]

Don't you just love science grin Don't claim it, just prove it!!!

Marvyx:

Lol.. Dude it is visible to the blind and audible to the deaf that your mind is closed.
Even if you see an evidence, you will still come up with logical explanation to disprove it.
Marvyx, take a look at the pictures posted by Johnny. What is/are the logical explanation(s) to disprove that this man was finally able to walk? Would you have any reason to look at those pictures a million times over and still dispute that the man was able to walk?

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Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by jonbellion(m): 7:22am On Nov 01, 2016
kevoh:



Marvyx, take a look at the pictures posted by Johnny. What is/are the logical explanation(s) to disprove that this man was finally able to walk? Would you have any reason to look at those pictures a million times over and still dispute that the man was able to walk?
I tire oo
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by Edenoscar(m): 7:26am On Nov 01, 2016
johnydon22:
Argumentum ad populum - A desperate last gasp that is, a typical expected fallacy.

Millions of people believing the same fantasy and yet not even a single proof. . .

Almost all humans on earth once believed the earth was flat and the sun went around it.

A lie is a lie even if everyone believe it.
They think because there are over a billion christians worldwide then that automatically makes them right.

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Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by Edenoscar(m): 7:29am On Nov 01, 2016
jonbellion:
lol truth that what?
All eyes would see Jesus Christ
On an earth that ain't flat
With a flying horse?
So jesus can survive the vacum of space
Is he faster than the speed of light??
Why didn't he disappear since heaven isn't in this dimension. Instead he flew
Please which of the trillions of galaxies does he stay in cuz our closest galaxy andromeda it takes 2.5 million years for the light to reach earth. Anytime we look at it we are looking into the past
Unless jesus is somehow faster than the speed of light
How are you not realising this is bullshit??
You really have to face the fact that you are stardust but it's honestly a beautiful thing
The universe is basically in us and we are part of it. This is the greatest spiritual feeling anybody can ask for
Forget jesus christ,the stars died so we could live cool
Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by taurus25(m): 7:54am On Nov 01, 2016
Marvyx:


Lol.. Dude it is visible to the blind and audible to the deaf that your mind is closed.

Even if you see an evidence, you will still come up with logical explanation to disprove it.

A day of reckoning is coming when all truth will be revealed. I still earnestly pray that you will be saved before that day. Cheers smiley
If there's ever been clear cut proof for a supernatural regrowth of an amputated limb, no christain would have trouble providing it.

Evidence for such a thing would speak for itself.

We hear accounts of pretty much every kind of ailment been healed everyday, but the case of amputees seems to be very perculia.

Does god hate amputees that much?

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Re: The Coercion Of Forceful Belief As A Means Of Salvation by HardMirror(m): 10:07am On Nov 01, 2016
taurus25:

If there's ever been clear cut proof for a supernatural regrowth of an amputated limb, no christain would have trouble providing it.

Evidence for such a thing would speak for itself.

We hear accounts of pretty much every kind of ailment been healed everyday, but the case of amputees seems to be very perculia.

Does god hate amputees that much?









How I broke free from christianity is still a miracle to me. Me! Atheist?! How will it happen?, but here I am today laffing at the stupidity of my past.

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