raphieMontella:

no..thats not their story..thats the author/authors of genesis story..
He wasnt there or something was he?
The other way to gain this would be the so much admired ''divine inspiration''...wouldnt that be singular?
No tales by moonlight stuff pls.

TomHagen:
Give your own definitions and let us work with them.

Love---a complete feeling of affection
Compassion---a feeling of deep sympathy accompanied by a
strong desire to alleviate the

TomHagen:
For the sake of this discussion, we have to agree that that's how the event went down. Unless you have a different historical source.

raphieMontella:

raphieMontella:

there goes your danger of a single story...

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you want to shift everything to satan?

raphieMontella:
uh...did you slowly read the op?

raphieMontella:

if a child is born blind deaf and dumb..and has an accident has an accident at age 1...and is confined to the hospital for life...and later dies at an age of reason....without beliving in christ...will that child go to heaven?

TomHagen:
'All Loving' na im we dey talk na.

TomHagen:
The 'single story danger' applies when they are other historical sources. Do you have any other source?

DoctorAlien:


Jehovah is a GOD of Justice, and as such, Justice is an inextricable part of His judgment.

Ignorant people will go to Heaven. However, before you can be ignorant in the sight of GOD, you must make two claims truthfully:

1. I did not know.

2. I had no way of knowing.

(See 2 Pet. 2:21)

raphieMontella:

all loving---complete love

raphieMontella:
what happened to now one can come to the father except through me?

raphieMontella:

you wanna take an argument from silence....

Lets go by your source...i ask again..do you want to shift everything to satan?

DoctorAlien:


Take time to read the post which you quoted.

Ask questions, if you have any.

raphieMontella:

i didnt have to believe in adam or anything for me to be in danger of hell..but i have to believe in jesus to absolve it...
Its not right for God to force me to be with him...but somehow it is right for him to condemnn all mankind for something they didnt do....forcing me to bear the stuff of someone else
you still dont see the conditioning?

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keep in mind---they/i(us) didnt ask to be created?
*thats a side stool tho*

If you were Dangote's son, would you claim you are being forced to inherit your father's wealth. If you don't want the inheritance, you must take some steps..consciously abdicate your right.

If you were a paupers son, would you claim you were being forced to inherit your fathers poverty? You must take some actions to change the status quo!

TomHagen:
No. They were all held responsible.

DoctorAlien:

What do you understand by that statement?

raphieMontella:

is the condemnation them or all?

TomHagen:
Huh... This is too vague.

raphieMontella:
? smh

shadeyinka:


You kind of forget that the universe and existence are all bound by rules binding on you whether you subscribe to it or not.

Example:
Law of inheritance:
We inherit BOTH the strength and weakness of our fore-parents (good or bad)
We inherit their genetic makeup (good or bad)
We inherit their temperance (good or bad)

We inherit their assets (rich or poor)

Now, on all these, were is the fault of God forcing you to inherit what someone else did? It is part of the laws of existence

The two examples above are examples of how the laws of inheritance works my dear. The hatered of God will not change it. Its like the law of gravity will no be changed because I am about falling from a 10 storey building.

Now, if you didn't ask to be created, its a proof that you were not created because of YOU. Your were created because of the need of the Creator; God!

Changing your status quo is a choice you must make. All God did was to make it easy for even the weak to make it. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved! Simple!

raphieMontella:

what happened to no one comes to the father except through me(belief)?

TomHagen:
Their descendants as well.

DoctorAlien:


Atheists and their puerile logic.

Anyway, let me enlighten you.

Yes Jesus Christ is the only Name given by which men may be saved. However, have you thought of the Patriachs and the Old Testament saints? Did they call on the name of Jesus?

The answer is No and also Yes. While they did not literally call on the name of Jesus(of course GOD the Son was not known as Jesus in the OT), they worshipped Jesus. Jesus Christ is the GOD of the Old Testament. He is the One who appeared to Moses in the burning bush and proclaimed Himself "I AM"(Jn. 8:58). He was the same GOD who came down on Mount Sinai, amidst earthquakes and thunderings, and spoke the eternal 10 Commandments(Jn. 14:15).

Some people who have no knowledge of Christ instinctively obey Christ, and as such, they will be saved(See Rom. 2:14-16. Compare Matt. 7:21).

TomHagen:
Our definitions of 'all loving' differ.

raphieMontella:

your rigmarole and merry go round let you back to my point...
NO ACTION WAS REQUIRED FOR CONDEMNATION

ValentineMary:
Lolz

raphieMontella:
how does this answer the preposition i offered?

TomHagen:
What actions did sickle cell patients take before they became sufferers? Go figure!

raphieMontella:

very wrong!
There are people who do not inherit their parents wealth or poverty
a rich mans kid can decide to forfeit all his father's watever and start from the scratch for himself...it happens all the time
so its outrightly wrong!
It is not a constant..

raphieMontella:

@the bolded..if you cant do without such misotheistic ad hominems...then im not obliged to reply.

DoctorAlien:


As if anything could answer the "proposition you offered."